Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] New to the group (Marvin)

2008-12-31 23:49:23

Hi Marvin. Welcome to the group. Whatever the outcome of
CT scan, etc.-----don't let them scare you into any drastic moves,
like surgery, radiation, etc. etc.. Take some time and get more
information, from here and other lists also, and do some reading
about Prostate Cancer. There's lots of books on the subject.
You aren't alone, as I and many others also have PCa and are
using alternative methods such as FO/CC and the rest of
Dr. Budwigs program to get us back to good health.
Hang in there Marvin, better days are coming.
Jim O'Connor
Swampscott, Ma.

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Latest Update

2008-12-31 15:28:05

Cliff -

which artemisinin do you use?
I was informed that the Allergy Research product has only 10%
activity when compared to Aldrich Sigma or Wellcare.
I used the Wellcare product.
Check your estrogen level.
Regards
Peter

Apologies if someone has already posted on this subject, I may have missed it.

2008-12-31 12:29:52

I have an aquantance who has MS of about 6 months duration so far, has
flaxseed been known to reverse or help stop further deterioration?
Many thanks ANNE uk

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Diets

2008-12-30 23:38:46

Good to be aware of these things.
The whole problem is the junk that the low carb diet includes.
Lorenzo

Re: FSO/CC?

2008-12-30 20:06:27

-
Yes this refers to flax seed oil and cottage cheese. The amounts in
the mixture vary according to condition. The dog was eating this
mixture. People have found that pets have experienced the same
benefits as humans with this old remedy which was studied by Dr. J.
Budwig. She has two books available in English which are quite
reasonably priced that you may want to read. Hope

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] New to the group

2008-12-30 18:07:06

Hi to new readers,
You can send an Email to join the #3 list where the archives do not include
chatter.

Diets

2008-12-30 15:40:36

Hi Folks,
I receive this free nutritional newsletter by email. It is
written by a group of doctors. Usually the advice is pretty general
but I thought the article below was interesting in the assessment of
the diet wars and how studies can be manipulated
September 5, 2002
NUTRITION NEWS FOCUS
"Nutrition news is important. We help you understand it!"
Today's Topic: Story Low on Facts?
We told you about a New York Times article that concluded all the low
fat eating advice we have been getting for years has been a lie and
that Dr. Atkins' diet of unlimited protein and fat is the chosen path.
< http://www.nutritionnewsfocus.com/archive/a3/morefatlies.html
This article caused sales of the diet doctor's book to jump back into
the best seller list. However, most scientists and nutritionists are
not convinced that this is a sensible eating approach.
The Washington Post ran an article that picks apart many of the
positions taken in the previous Times report and shows that the
reporter was guilty of the same selection of studies to support his
ideas while ignoring many other studies that he accuses those he
disagrees with of doing. The article also reveals that the reporter
received a $700,000 book deal as a result.
< http:www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A55532-2002Aug23?
language=printer
HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW: Just because experts agree
on anything does not make it correct. The controversy should tip you
off that the experts don't know what it takes to lose weight and keep
it off for many, many people. Each side of this debate is guilty of
ignoring studies supporting the other camp. At present, there is not
enough evidence to recommend the very low carbohydrate diets, and
there remain real concerns about the long term safety of them.
.

Re: Latest Update

2008-12-30 05:33:25

-
Cliff,
Thank you so much for keeping us updated. You are very precious
to all of us it is wonderful to have good news. You have also made
me realize that we all have to remain very fluid, evaluating and
adjusting our lives to maintain our health and mental well being at
all times.
I also am very grateful for all you have done for this list.
You certainly have been a source of inspiration for me and you have
touched countless numbers of lives with your message. Every time I
do searches on this subject and look at a new site, you are a
participant or your case is being discussed. You have approached
your own difficulties with a sense of calm, dignity and
proactiveness, all the
while taking the time to give comfort, support and aid to others.
I do not know of a more honorable way to live.
I wish that I could find a way to help you in some way. Please
let me know if there is anything at all that I can do for you. I
would be proud to be of assistance.
Hope

New to the group

2008-12-29 23:52:17

Hi everyone,
My name is Marvin and I have recently been diagnosed with prostate cancer.I
currently don't know how bad it is because I am waiting for my CT scan and bone
scan tomorrow. I am 48 years old and like everyone else I would like to prolong
my life as long as there is some quality to it. I have read a bit about fo/cc
and I am very open to any suggestions about fo/cc and anything else you would
like to tell me about. To any that reply let me now say thank you. Everyone take
care.
Sincerely,
Marvin

Dr Budwig testimony/Dr Gerson.MS/Dr Budwig &amp; dog Breast Cancer

2008-12-29 20:56:33

Hi All,
Here is some excellent info from a croos list posting on Dr Gerson`s diet &
Ms, and, on Dr Budwig`s Protocol re: Breast cancer in a dog. They are well
worth reading and heeding...Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli
============================================================================
================
From: "Duncan McDowell" <dmcd@...

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Reply #1Fw:

2008-12-29 14:41:25

Hi Bob,
Thanks for answering so quickly. Would you have any info or recollection on
how that Non-AMA Doctor cured the T.B.? I have a friend who has it several
years ago and she was told that it may return. Also, I have another friend
with MS and he started to take the Flaxseed Oil/Yoghurt several months ago.
He had been to the Dr. Donsbach Clinic in Mexico about 4 years ago but
didn`t take the FO/CC too seriously until his condition seems to have
worsen. Dr. Budwig`s book mentions "Other Diseases" and I am hoping that he
tightens his reins a lot more in what he does. Will keep you and te list
posted. Cioa for now/Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli
============================================================================
==========================

Latest Update

2008-12-29 05:13:08

HI,
To those interested I will put in the latest info on my situation.
A PSA done on September 3 showed an increase of 1.7 to 14.4.
I am continuing with 4 tablespoons of FO/CC per day with 3000 mgs of Beta
Glucan and 9000 mgs plus or minus of beet vitamin C. After the last PSA I
started a two months supply of Artemisinin. That is about a third through.
I am now adding Ellagic acid to see what effect it may have.
I am now 80 years and 8 months along after being dxd with Advanced PCa with
a PSA of 75 and metastasis to the lymph nodes in January of 1991, or eleven
years and 8 months ago.
The Gleason was not done then but evidence indicates around a 7-8 at that
time. The Oncologist feels that it is likely more aggressive than that by
this time but it isn't worth a biopsy to find out. It wouldn't change
anything that we are doing.
Dr. Borman indicated to me a couple of years ago that it is important to get
plenty of rest with this kind of approach. I haven't done that. I have
stayed with the bee business and have again this summer attempted to keep it
going and the stress of trying to do too much may have taken its toll on the
immune system, which seems to be important in fighting cancer. The bee
business is being terminated as soon as possible. I may be stubborn, but I
am not completely stupid.
A statement from a prominent member of the advanced list a couple of years
ago stays with me. "I am fighting a battle I know I cannot win."
I don't feel that way. If my count gets to around 20, and it has been there
a number of times before, I would perhaps do another monthly Lupron shot.
It may not come to that.
There is no evidence of metastasis and one does not die of cancer in the
Prostate but in an area to which it spreads. The Alternatives seem to be
controlling that.
I am extremely well aware of the warnings on this list concerning the use of
Flaxseed Oil but have seen no evidence of that personally and there have
been no studies of men using the FO/CC approach to confirm them.
I continue to get reports [Some hate "unscientific stories" but with no
attempt to do scientific studies that is all there is] of success. Four
days ago in a phone conversation with a contact in Montana he casually
mentioned that his grandfather had PCa but had cleared it with FO/CC in
three months. That was some time ago and had other health problems and had
since passed on.
With 30 or more strains of PCa, most of which are not aggressive, the less
aggressive ones are more easily controlled. I understand by now that the
intermittent program espoused by Dr. Lieberman has not been as effective
with more aggressive cancers.
I am urging no one to do what I have been doing. I only present things as I
know them and have experienced them. They are anecdotal. Do with them what
you will. We hope to learn more before going on. Of course, eventually
that is a hundred percent probability for us all.
I am still alive and in no immediate danger. The Oncologist believes that I
may have trouble living beyond a hundred. Beyond the weaknesses of being 80
and low on Testosterone I feel quite normal.
Cliff

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Planting flax/harvest times

2008-12-29 00:05:56

Mike and Jane,
You mentioneded...
" Per the farmers, they heard that crops in Minnesota were very wet. "
We have had one of the wettest summers on record. We have not watered our yard
all summer. Everything is a lush green. So most crops in Minnesota this year
would be very wet.
Carolyn

Re: The establishment catches up eventually

2008-12-28 11:15:03

It usually takes 50 years at least - sometimes never. ---

products effectively relieves the symptoms caused by an enlarged
prostate gland, according to a clinical trial published in
International Urology and Nephrology.
hyperplasia (BPH) took a combination of four different natural
products: cernitin (a mixture of rye, timothy, and corn pollens), saw
palmetto, beta-sitosterol, and vitamin E. Another 57 men took a
placebo, serving as the control group.
the address bar of your browser. If the web address is highlighted in
blue you may be able to double click on it and automatically go to
the web site.

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] FSO/CC?

2008-12-28 09:53:00

Terri
I strongly suggest you go to this list's website and read the FILES and
search the archives. It's a good way to start to understand Dr. Budwig's
flaxseed oil and quark (yoghurt or cottage cheese) protocol.
mjh
In a message dated 9/4/02 10:19:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tlproy@...
writes:

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Fw:

2008-12-28 00:31:00

Bob
In a Keats booklet on DHEA written by Dr. Shealy (MD) he stated that
raising DHEA levels was helpful in MS. I noted that because a family friend
also has MS.
mjh
In a message dated 9/4/02 6:02:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rresmith@... writes:

FSO/CC?

2008-12-27 23:25:16

Hi,
I'm new to the list, and have just been lurking for a couple of days. But
the below message has aroused my curiosity. I am guessing that FSO/CC is
flax seed oil/cottage chees. Is this correct? And if so, how was it used
on the dog? Externally? Internally? And in what proportions? Have others
heard of this combination working for human beings?
TIA,
Terri Lynne
On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 11:46:51 -0000 "kingscreek6" <talbright@...

Re: questions questions questions

2008-12-27 11:05:29

On February 10th 2002 I brought my husband to the emergency room
with a splitting headache and projectile vomiting. We thought it was
a bad migraine but later found out that it was a brain tumor. On
February 12th he had surgery and the surgeon told us and the lab work
later confirmed that he had a Glioblastoma Multiforme IV. It is the
most deadly and fast moving brain tumor you can have. The surgeon
removed all of the tumor he could see. The doctor told our family
that Tom had about 26 weeks to live if he didn?t take any radiation
and if he did take radiation it might give him a year. Tom was in the
hospital for eight days. We were not sure what to do so we took the
doctor?s referral and went to radiation about a week after he got out
of the hospital. Tom only took five days of radiation and it made him
feel terrible, and sapped all of his energy.
We are Christians and knew that we needed to seek the Lord?s
guidance in this crisis. So we went to our Church and had Tom
anointed with oil and hands laid on in prayer by the elders of the
Church (James 5:14). After that some friends came forward and told
us of some alternative ways people were fighting and winning the
battle against cancer. Since the doctors did not hold out any hope we
decided to throw our lot in with the holistic treatments and did not
take anymore radiation. We started the holistic regimen in March.
Tom?s three month MRI looked good, his brain was clean and the hole
where they removed the tumor was empty except for a tiny line around a
portion of the inside of the hole. The doctor said that it could be
scar tissue, a benign bit of tumor or a regrowth of the Glioblastoma.
At the six month MRI his brain was completely clean. There was no
cancer at all. The doctor said that it was a miracle. In 14 years of
practice he had not seen anything like it.
This is what we did:
Take 1/4 cup Low Fat Cottage Cheese and mix it with 1 tablespoon
Flaxseed oil and eat it twice a day.
Take Three 750 mg Shark Cartilage capsules three times a day
Take a Borage Oil and CoQ10 supplement
Drink plenty of water
Try to get light exercise like walking
Get some sunlight
I also eat fo/cc twice a day with my husband. I'm trying to get
my kids to eat it too.
Tom walks at least 4 miles a day now and has started lifting weights
too.
We are having good results with the flax oil/cottage cheese, and
will keep it up for the rest of our lives. - Kelly

Planting flax/harvest times

2008-12-27 10:14:48

Lorenzo:
I just spoke with a farmer in North Dakota and one in Minnesota. They both
stated that flaxseed planting usually is around end of April/beg of May, harvest
time is end of August/beg of September. Per the farmers, they heard that crops
in Minnesota were very wet, in Alberta/Sash area is very dry, Montana is very
dry also. This is just word of mouth between farming communities. Hope this
helps.
Jane Reinhardt-Martin, RD, LD
Author: Flax Your Way to Better Health
www.FlaxRD.com

Harvest/Finding Flaxseed

2008-12-27 05:49:37

Lorenzo:
I will put out a few calls to farmers and find out. You are right---it is like
pulling teeth. I ran into many problems when writing my book(maybe that is why
it took me 3 years) to obtain information that ordinarily should be easy. Now
that our first print run(5000 copies) is almost sold, some of the organizations
that were a bit uncooperative, seem to want to help me more. Gee---I wonder
why??
Mike and I buy our flax from North American Nutrition(www.goldenflax.com). It is
pricey, but the quality is outstanding. They get their flaxseed from Glen and
Linda Pizzey, Pizzey's Milling and Baking Co.(www.pizzeys.com). They are located
in Canada. Ameriflax, a new group comprised of American Farmers, should be able
to locate other farmers. Their website is www.Ameriflax.com . If you email them,
make sure you drop my name, if it helps any. I'll get back to you when I find
out the answer to the harvesting question and how the crops were .
Jane Reinhardt-Martin, RD, LD
Author: Flax Your Way to Better Health
www.FlaxRD.com

questions questions questions

2008-12-26 20:36:58

i am new to this group and have a lot of questions.i hope some of you
can answer.so here goes.is there anyone in this group that has
actually been cured of cancer using flax seed oil? if so what type? i
am taking 1 tbs flax oil and 1/4 cup cottage cheese daily is this the
right dose for prevention?are there any other health benefits from
taking flax oil? also if this does work for cancer can anyone explain
how it works?i guess that is all the questions for now.if someone has
the answers to these questions i would really like to hear
them.thanks Roger Nickell

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Glyco Nutrients/Somewhat Off Topic

2008-12-26 13:55:08

Alicia,
Please keep us informed.
Lorenzo

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Reply/Glyco Nutrients/Somewhat Off Topic

2008-12-26 12:20:36

Hi Alicia and Lorenzo,
You got my curiosity up so I looked up "Gluconutrients."...Here is an
Internet listing from a Doctor, Md, who is discovering that there is real
life beyond the Standard Medical School Curriculum and the Protocols that
Doctors (MD`s) must follow if they want : to practice medicine" in the USA.
Isn`t it interesting to note that Dr. Budwig has been advocating most of
this philosophy all along, and that many of us are already familiar with
much of the below?
Welcome aboard Dr.Walther W Meyer, MD, CMD. We can sure use well meaning
people like you and Dr. Andrew Weil, MD.,Botanist. Complimentary Medicine
will be a revelation for many on both sides of the fence. Ciao for now. Good
Humor, good health, good experimenting, and good reading to all, Mike
Cinelli
P.S. By the way, prior to 1935 when the AMA and the FDA combined to drive
out this type of philosophy, it was basically "common sense medicine" in
the USA. Someone planned a "Campaign" and "Campaigned" the Plan. The
pendulum is swinging back....I took the liberty of numbering the good
doctor`s one liners...Thanks and best, Comments are welcomed, Mike Cinelli
===================================================================
From the site of Walther W Meyer MD, CMD [ First on the Google list]...Mike
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Although you will be able to follow my learning process about the benefits
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Glyco Nutrients/Somewhat Off Topic

2008-12-26 04:32:24

Hello! I apologize in advance if this is off the topic of FSO/CC but I was
wondering if this is a complementary natural protocol for healing cancer and
other diseases.
This evening we had dinner with friends and a friend of a friend joined us.
This gentleman is a doctor (Internal Medicine) and we were discussing my
husband's favorable experience with FSO/CC for the treatment of precancerious
prostate cells. He mentioned that he had been investigating glyconutrients
and was, so far, fascinated with the potential results. Does anyone here
have personal experience with taking the glyconutrients? And what are your
thoughts on the glyconutrients? Thanks in advance, Alicia

NYTimes.com Article: Trans Fat Data to Be Added to Food Labels

2008-12-26 01:54:21

This article from NYTimes.com
has been sent to you by freeminded52@....
The main reason why I am trying to make my own peanut butter as well as yogurt.
There is nothing like doing it ourself to control the quality of the food
intake.
Diane
freeminded52@...
Trans Fat Data to Be Added to Food Labels
September 3, 2002
By AYANA E. MORALES
Next year, the Food and Drug Administration will require
manufacturers to tell consumers how much artery-damaging
trans fat their products contain.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/03/health/nutrition/03SHEL.html?ex=1032100176&ei=\
1&en=afb714f01720048d
HOW TO ADVERTISE

Sorry about your dog: and how do do Nutmeats

2008-12-25 18:39:09

Warmly
Hanneke
Australia
So sorry to hear about your lovely pet. It is hard to understand sometimes why
we can't see when an animal needs help. Was the doggy old, or very young? Either
way it is hard to understand the cause of departure. Best thing to do is go
right out and find another dog, that needs to be well loved and spoiled.
Also thanks for the message about how you soak the nutmeats. This would be a
great idea for people that have a hard time chewing this food. I have soaked
them and mashed them for making dressings, and etc..but never taken time to
dehydrate. Do you salt or use them plain?
miz Judy

Nuts and mixer blades

2008-12-25 08:04:00

Hi all,
I have been out of circulation for a couple of days due to 1. problems with

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] We are all different

2008-12-25 06:43:59

Martha in Il.
I think that I recall that all the US people are involved in a diabetes
epidemic!
Not hard to find using Google.
Lorenzo

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Peanuts and Aflatoxin/walnuts

2008-12-25 00:13:41

And, please remember that Dr. Budwig recommends walnuts in the diet
regularly.
mjh
In a message dated 9/3/02 7:18:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lorenzo1@... writes:

Re: Reply/Dr Budwig &amp; Others/Peanuts and Aflatoxin

2008-12-24 17:31:58

Mike,
you are right, I didn't even get into the hydrogenation part of
peanut butter. People don't want to buy peanut butter that has
separated. So, the producers hydrogenate it to make it look more
appetizing. This way people ingest hydrogenated oils even when they
think they have taken it all out of their diet.
Good question. I have wondered about that many times.
I have not eaten peanuts and foods containing them for about 25
years. We stopped when my wife had cancer. Before that we were big
consumers of it.
Wilhelm

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] where to get the Braun Mixer?

2008-12-24 10:44:05

In a message dated 9/3/02 5:20:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dianna@... writes:

where to get the Braun Mixer?

2008-12-24 08:07:09

just wondering... am looking for a really good deal! ;)
thanks
-dianna

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Reply/Dr Budwig &amp; Others/Peanuts and Aflatoxin

2008-12-23 21:00:58

Hi Wilhelm,
Thanks for this well researched bit on peanuts. I would like to add a few
things and a comment:
1. Peanuts are a legume and not a nut ( Ms Judy "hit the nail on the head
when she "mentioned this earlier.)
2. Salted peanuts are treated in high heat and "then" presumably salted.
This could be a serious double danger. { I just took a plane trip and guess
what they gave us as a 'snack?'...)
3. Many small children are not only allergic to peanut butter but some even
die from it! Mothers have to be mighty careful when giving children peanut
butter...[ I was shocked a few years ago to have read this because I always
liked peanut butter...but no more...] Beware if you have small children.
4. Dr. Hulda Clark is very adamant about the dangers of aflatoxins which are
mycotoxins. Mycotoxins are found in moldy fruits and other foods ( like damp
peanuts) and can`t be killed by zapping. Your liver can kill them
(mycotoxins) but this is a great burden on the liver, according to her.
Vitamin C is the big savior and since mycotoxins are found in commercial
fruit juices, she suggests having and using some powdered Vit C all the
time. This is all found in her "The Cure For All Diseases", p.38 and
elsewhere.
5. Dr. Udo Erasmus., in his "Fats and Oils" [ 1987 Edition], warns us about
peanut oils which are sometimes made from damp peanuts, [loaded with
toxins], which may contain carinogenic substances ( paraphrazing)....see
page 234
6. Dr. Budwig also mention peanut butter. " The solid fats which are not
water soluble and cannot circulate with protein are no longer capable of
circulating through the fine capillary networks.....Solidified fats behave
differently according to which oils are taken....When peanut oil is taken,
using peanut butter( you may have heard that such an item is available
commercially), this is far worse, as the fatty acids in peanuts consists of
20 links..."
So it seems that peanuts, peanut oil and peanut butter have a few strikes
against them, eh? Why don`t our food gurus mention all this?
Ciao for now. All the best, Mike Cinelli
============================================================================
=

We are all different

2008-12-23 19:40:39

Lyndell, you are so right about us all being different. When I give people
advise on supplements, I give them the basics: a good vit. & mineral
supplements with no herbs added. I think the herbs should be added seperatly
as some people are allergic to some herbs others aren't. And for women my
age I give the guideline my gyno gave me on other mineral supplements. Then
I tell them anything else added should be individual specific.
The American Indian is one good example of this; look how they are having an
epidemic of diabeties because they can not tolerate the same diet the
European people can.
That brings me to another question: Do any of you know if anyone has ever
been allergic to flaxseed?
Martha in Il.
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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Peanuts and Aflatoxin

2008-12-23 15:35:15

Thanks for sharing, I copied and saved it.
Martha in Il.

Folate

2008-12-23 07:34:02

mjh
You didn't say how much folate you take, but it sounds like you md is
advising you. The book "The Right Dose, How to take vitamins & minerals
safely", by Patricia Hausman, M.S. recommends not exceeding 400mcgs. without
precautions: occasional measurement of blood zinc or attention to zinc
intake.
The copyright was 1987, but it is the best book I have found on the subject.
If anyone know of a better updated source I would appreciate knowing about
it.
Martha in Il.

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Braun Mixer &amp; nuts

2008-12-22 16:42:07

Well I'm not dead yet, and we have eaten bushels of peanuts over many,many
years. Not as many now as when the children were all home.
However some people are allergic to peanuts, and will die if they eat even one.
There has been cases of this allergic reaction. Get to know your own body and
what it is able to eat and not eat. As for myself I've never craved peanuts..or
peanut butter..but I never deprived my family members because I never cared that
much for them. My favorite nut..is Cashew..and remember peanut..is not a nut.
Cashew, and almond, butters..first crush them finely..before making into
butters, it will save on the grinder blades. Take an old pillow-case, and put
the nuts inside and hit them with a sledge hammer or just a ball-point hammer.
That will crush them up fine enough for the nut-machines to do a good job.
Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

Braun Mixer &amp; nuts

2008-12-22 12:53:50

I have been reading the make-your-own-nut butter posts, and want to make
almond
or walnut butter. Someone suggested using the Braun hand mixer. I'm afraid
that the
nuts will damage or dull the blades. Can anyone tell me if they're tried it
with a Braun? (and thanks for all the information about peanuts--I hope no
one is suggesting that this warning about them is just a case of "peanut
envy."
dorothy

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Audio Tape Arrived

2008-12-22 04:04:59

Hi Cliff,
Thank you - I also received my tape this weekend. Great testimonials and I,
also, will be sending this tape to someone with prostate cancer.
Brenda Taft

Peanuts and Aflatoxin

2008-12-22 01:25:53

I see a lot of talk about peanuts.
Once again, I will be the messenger of info that is sure to please no
one. I am sorry about that, but I feel I must share this information.
I avoid peanuts and peanut products because of the high incidence of
aflatoxin in them. Aflatoxin, one of the mycotoxins, is one of the
most carcinogenic substances in nature. It is produced by the fungus
Aspergillus Flavus and similar fungi and is colourless, tasteless and
odourless.
I will let quotes do most of the talking:
"Breakfast - Muesli ...Use any nuts except peanuts!"
http://www.cythrawl.org/ketosis/disease/budwig_diet.shtml
"Aflatoxin -- one of the world's most potent carcinogens and produced
by fungi...
"Aflatoxin is not only 200 times more carcinogenic that benzpyrene,
a combustion product more widely linked to smoking-related cancers,
but it is also heat stable and therefore available to be inhaled at
temperatures over 500 degrees Fahrenheit...
http://www.no-smoking.org/sept99/09-10-99-5.html
"Peanut is the only nut that is in contact with the soil.
The other nuts grow on a branch higher up and have strong, hard
shells. Those are the good nuts...
"Peanut has soft and porous skin and the skin is in contact with the
ground. The wet environment encourages fungal grows and the fungus
invades the skin of the nut and even penetrates the nut...
"Whilst the fungus is not dangerous in itself, it releases a poison -
Aflatoxin, which is extremely dangerous...
"Veterinarians know that aflatoxin kills rapidly any bird that
ingests an infected peanut."
http://www2.clicshop.com/stores/oradix/c75064.2.html
"Peanut oil may have a problem if the peanuts are contaminated with
aflatoxin, a toxin from a fungus that is often associated with
peanuts. Aflatoxin is very harmful to the liver, and can cause liver
cancer. There is no way to know if aflatoxin is present, and even in
tiny amounts, it is extremely toxic. That is why it is best to avoid
eating peanuts too."
http://www.messengers-of-messiah.org/pipermail/health/2002-
March/000145.html
"The FDA action level for total aflatoxins in domestic human foods is
currently set at 20 ppb..."
http://nprl.usda.gov/Research/MycotoxinControl.htm
Does this mean that a level of 19 ppb (parts per billion) is safe?
"... on January 1, 1999, the European Union set their aflatoxin
action levels for imports of human food at 2 ppb for aflatoxin B1 and
4 ppb for total aflatoxins."
http://nprl.usda.gov/Research/MycotoxinControl.htm
"All peanuts and peanut butters are contaminated with mycotoxins
called aflatoxins, which are among the most potent promoters of
cancer ever studied. Aflatoxin levels are highest in the fresh ground
peanut butters found in health food stores and supermarkets."
http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/column.asp?PageType=column&ID=61
"Aflatoxin in peanut butter (Mon Sep 02 12:24:57 2002)
PROMEC Unit, Medical Research Council, PO Box 19070,
Tygerberg, 7505 South Africa; tel. (021) 938-0290.
Concerned about your health and peanut butter?
The Medical research council gives the lowdown linking quality of
peanut butter with aflatoxin and cancer of the liver."
http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2001/august/peanut.htm
A search will provide much more information.
In my opinion, those who are fighting cancer should not burden their
liver with this toxin, neither should those who want to prevent
cancer.
Wilhelm

Audio Tape Arrived

2008-12-21 22:52:58

Hello Cliff,
This is to let you know your audio cassette arrived safely this morning.
Thank you
I am loaning it to a friend tomorrow as her husband has prostate cancer.
Frances Brown
Suffolk, UK

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Dr. Weil

2008-12-21 19:13:14

Martha..... you are right I am sure that Dr Weil has given a lot of good
advice in using alternatives, but the other day I received a message from
another source, that source was running down a whole list of supplements
claiming that they were no good, two examples "Spirulina", and
"Chlorella", I use both of these and feel they are helpful to me, they are
both supposed to be great for intestinal and colon problems... I was
considering buying both of these greens in bulk powder form but now I am
hesitating because of one persons negative comments......
Gerry Logan

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Peanut Butter and recipes

2008-12-21 15:54:18

Hey........ you could also throw in some flaxseeds, or almonds if you want
to play with the flavour.
Gerry Logan

Peanut Butter and recipes

2008-12-21 08:30:03

Have fun making Peanut butter..Also dried and even fresh edible herbs can be
added. And Honey to help make it tastier and creamy too..
MAKING PEANUT BUTTER
Ingredients
a.. Roasted peanuts in shells
b.. Corn or vegetable oil
c.. Sugar ( optional ) use stevia
What you'll need
a.. Measuring cup
b.. Food processor or grinder (for crunchy style peanut butter)
c.. Food blender (for smooth style)
d.. Tablespoon
e.. Teaspoon
f.. Jar
1.. Crack open the shells and remove the peanuts. Measure out about one cup.
2.. Remove the red skin from the peanuts.
3.. If you want chunky peanut butter, put the peanuts in a food processor or
grinder and run the chopped mixture through three or more times until the peanut
butter is the consistency that you like. For creamy style peanut butter, chop up
the peanuts in a blender.
4.. Add about one to two tablespoons of cooking oil in small amounts and
regrind or blend the mixture until the peanut butter is the familiar paste
consistency. 5. Add sugar ( stevia * or honey) by the teaspoon until the taste
is just right. Homemade peanut butter contains no preservatives or other
additives. * stevia takes very little to sweeten
To avoid spoiling, keep any unused portion in the refrigerator. ( ours never
lasted long enough to keep when raising a houseful of children.And we baked with
peanut-butter like it was going out of style. Today the grandkids all like
peanut-butter. Sandwiches of tomatoes ( even green ones ) and pickles with
peanut=-butter is my brothers favorite snack..wrapped in a crisp bacon strip.
Sandwich of
Banana Mash (peanut-butter sandwich)
spread a slice of bread in good home made peanut-butter ( smidge of Mayo-if you
like it)
Layer on a mashed banana ( or half of a good ripe one)
Layer on Mashed Red kidney beans ( enough to taste)
Layer on lettuce and a couple tomatoes slices
Layer on crumbled crisp fried well drained bacon, or meats of choice
layer on a sprinkle of favorite cheese, or two or three kinds
Top with pickles, dill or sweet sliced ( or both)
Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] peanut butter

2008-12-20 23:21:35

Martha
Hubby is right. So, don't use raw peanuts use roasted peanuts, salted,
skinned or not, your preference.
I use the Braun Handblender and put some reaputs in the container and
grind away.
I used to do it in a small food processor, same thing, put the peanuts
about a 1/3 of the way in the bowl, process in bursts to the desired textures.
put it in a sealable container, refrigerate or not, your choice.
Happy grinding
mjh
In a message dated 9/2/02 1:40:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmeyer@...
writes:

Dr. Weil

2008-12-20 18:39:16

Just a comment: I don't put 100 % in any one persons views as everyone is
human. I like to read everyones views then make up my own mind. I do believe
a great deal in alternative medicine. As for Dr. Weil I can say this for
him, several yrs. ago he was on tv. said if you have carpal tunnel to take
ginger root. I was dignoised with carpal tunnel before I heard him on tv;
the md told me to take high doses of Ibuprophen and if it didn't work I
would have to have surgery. The meds hurt my stomach and I didn't want to
have the surgery. When I heard Dr. Weil I started taking 500mgs of ginger
root, it works. I still have not had the surgery and because of another med
I now have to take for other reasons I can not take the ibuprohen. I know it
is the ginger root that helps because I have stoped it about three times and
have to go back to it, I also take 100mgs of Vit. B6 with this.
All of us have to be careful about what we say these days, my husband
reminds me of this every time I want to give someone else info about
alternative meds.
I believe everyone has something worthwhile to say as it causes us to think
for ourself. I look foreward to finially getting to read Dr. Budwig's
writings.
Martha in Il.
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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Peanuts?

2008-12-20 06:59:00

Lorenzo,
I have yet to find a store that offer those peanuts. I just read how acid
those peanuts are. May be it could explain my stomach problem a lot because
I could almost live with only peanut butter. I don't eat that much anymore,
but I could. I will be searching because we do have all those stores
around, we just have to find them.
Diane

Puzzler?

2008-12-20 01:51:19

-
Ah yes, but you see the small questions answered are the ones that
move mountains. It is always interesting to charter unknown waters.
Some prefer to travel paths that have always been traveled. I think
most people on this list have discussed that other "98%" at great
length. This does not mean that all is known, and I'm certain they
will delve into another small area again at great length, for that
is the nature of discourse.
There are rabbis and priests who spend most of their waking moments
studying the slightest detail of a scripture. This is the life of
the philosopher.
It is always the details of life that make it interesting.
Hope

get into a profound investigation of how fresh it is and We worry
about several other things about that one percent.

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Digest Number 455

2008-12-19 20:26:24

****** PEANUTS ******
PEANUTS ARE NOT NUTS. According to Dr. Norman Walker they are one of the
Legumes most destructive to the human body on account of their extremely acid
action not only on the digestive system but on the whole body. They rank
second only to popcorn in their pernicious effect.
I would resort to nut butters found in the health food store which are
digested easier than the nuts themselves. Almond nut butter is not bad but
alittle dry.
Jane T.

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Do these devices really work??

2008-12-19 17:21:47

THIS IS SPAM!

Peanuts?

2008-12-19 12:37:37

Some stores had a peanut butter making machine. You made your own. If I
just bought the same peanuts and ate them they tasted more like peanut
butter than any other peanuts I ever ate!
Lorenzo

Re: Do these devices really work??

2008-12-19 03:26:34

I'll bet it would - if you went almost naked in the
sunlight every day. ;-) ;-)

Do these devices really work??

2008-12-18 18:19:10

Check this out.
http://www.alexchiu.com/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=bigal

MDs versus PHDs

2008-12-18 12:31:49

-Gerry,
If you would like a bit of personal experience, my father told me
that his PHD in Pharmacology was much, much more difficult to achieve
than his M.D. He has taught medical school, and has also been on the
admitting board and they are much more selective on the candidates
they admit into Pharmacology. I do not know why MDs continue to
propogate this myth that only they are effective in the study of
medicine. The number of MDs involved in research of this sort is
slight compared to the number of PHDs. Most of the research done for
pharmaceutical companies or in medical universities is done by PHDs.
To discount Dr. Budwig's studies because she is a PHD is ludicrous
and reeks of professional jealousy. If he had explained his
disatisfaction with her program with science, that is one thing, but
to insult a program based upon a personal bias is unethical.
Hope

Re: Fw: An Interesting Article From DrWeil.com

2008-12-18 09:32:39

Hi Larry
Did you get some sun on your vacation?
Budwig Link: http://www.cancure.org/budwig_diet.htm
I believe this one is far more important because most
of Budwig's research points to this as the ultimate
cure - it is the available electron that carries the
critical photons into us to become biophotons.
http://alkalizeforhealth.net/sunlight.htm
Rick

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Advice on nutrition

2008-12-18 01:19:17

Hi Martha,
If you give me the brand of peanut butter, amount, etc - I could give you a
rough idea of the nutritional composition. You can also try making your own
peanut butter.
Mike Martin
Flax Your Way To Better Health
WWW.FLAXRD.COM

Observations

2008-12-18 01:16:38

As I was investigating the nut/seed issue in the health food stores
yesterday, I ran into so many interesting people. I met a lady who
is a 17 year survivor of breast cancer. Everyone in her family is
dead from cancer, and yet she was diagnosed first. Her sister and
mother had the exact same cancer that she did and both did not make
it. She feels the major difference between them is that she started
to make significant lifestyle changes after she had the cancer
treatments whereas her sister and mother did not. She started on the
FSO/CC and has remained convinced this has saved her life.
I also am running into a lot of people who are treating their dogs
and cats. I did not realize that there were so many pets that are
being treated for cancer or other health issues. I met a man that
told me about his dog. This dog had a large tumor that had come up
on his leg. When this gentleman took his dog into the vet, they
found tumors all over his body. The vet said that the tumors were
too wide spread to operate and that the family should take the dog
home and prepare for its death. In the meanwhile, his wife had heard
about the FSO/CC. They thought, it couldn't hurt, so they started
giving it to their dog. Within three months the tumor on the leg was
gone and the others greatly reduced. He showed me pictures of the
before and after. He was so proud of this dog - he said that his 12
year old dog is now running around acting like a puppy. Hope

Hand mixer etc.

2008-12-17 21:32:05

Harold, thank you for this posting about the hand held mixer. I am new to
the list and have only been using flax seed for a few months, so have a lot
to learn. A friend got me started.
(Once again I am posting this message for those who have not had the
pleaseure of using the Braun hand held mixer for FO/ CC mixing.
Harold)

Advice on nutrition

2008-12-17 04:35:59

I have been reading a lot of good advice and wondered if anyone would have
some input on the nutritional value of my favorite sandwhich that just got
better. I dearly love peanut butter and banana sandwhiches. I was off work
today so didn't take my usual yogurt mix. Instead I put ground flax seed and
wheat germ on my peanut butter/banana sandwich. Now I love my favorite
sandwhich even more.
I usually make my own homemade whole grain bread, or buy whole wheat bread,
but I will use what ever is available. My son doesn't like the whole grains
so I have to keep some white bread around. We bought a variety of whole
grains from the co-op, and our own grinder, so my favorite is a bread made
from a mixture of grains.
My concern with my beloved sandwhich is the oil in the peanut butter, good
versus bad oils. Hope to read your comments. Thank you in advance for your
thoughts and opinions.
Martha in Il.
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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Andy Weil

2008-12-17 04:32:36

Weil may be promoter and a nice man, but he can't seem to pick himself away
from establishment 'stuckness.'
Each of us must know from whom to get advice -- choices -- but apparently
not from Weil!
Jerry
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Andy Weil

2008-12-16 20:27:07

Lorenzo, In regard to Weil's article onfo/cc. At the end of his answer to the
question "Can fo/cc cure cancer?" the line "About theBudwig diet approach is
added. Clicking on this brings up part of an article that was in Positive Health
mag. written by Chris Turner.It explains how it works & directions for following
it. It also tells how to get a tape on the diet, this sites e-mail address, how
to reach Budwig by fax, and 2 clinics that use it. It was this article that I
believe I first saw on Positive Health's site that got me started on fo/cc. And
am I thankful. And equally thankful for this site. To me Weil has always been a
sort of paradox. So lets hope that everyone that read his article got to that
part of it. Bob Smith

An Interesting Article From DrWeil.com--finally found it--Comments by Lorenzo

2008-12-16 14:35:15

An Interesting Article From DrWeil.com--finally found it--Comments by Lorenzo
Dr. Weil was an early bird on the nutrition bandwagon.
Later it appears:
He withdrew to the safety of the role of mediocre reporter after He had a
following.
To wit: He reduced his recommendation for vitamin C.
He works at a University--Many claim that Universities sell out to the Big Drug
pushers.
Surely Harvard has sold out long ago. (Dr. Stare)
Note: Dr. Weil demeans Dr. Budwig by explaining that she is not a Physician.
"She is a well-known German biochemist, but not a physician."
That comment is intended to belittle Dr. Budwig in the eyes of the lay person.
The fact is that Physicians by virtue of training and areas of work are the
least qualified of the scientific community to comment on natural foods or
natural healing processes.
It is a matter of interpretation.
The use of Flaxseed Oil and Cottage Cheese was not invented by Dr. Budwig. It
seems to be an old European folk food-medication, older than Dr. Budwig.
Follow the $money$:
Dr. Weil supports Soy products which are new experimental foods heavily
advertised by large sellers of Soy products. Dr. Budwig has no financial
interest in Flaxseed or Cheese.
Now where is the truth?
Lorenzo

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2008-12-16 08:47:42

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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Fw: An Interesting Article From DrWeil.com

2008-12-16 03:53:25

In a message dated 08/31/2002 3:16:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
glogan@... writes:
The good part is that he gives a link to the correct way to go about her diet
so maybe not all sour grapes ;~).
Edith

Fw: An Interesting Article From DrWeil.com

2008-12-15 14:15:37

Found this in my delete file and thought I would pass it along, it sounds a
little like sour grapes to me, but others might enjoy what Dr Weil has to
say.......
Gerry Logan

Re: Request for Advice

2008-12-15 04:59:23

Harold -
I've got an extra copy of Budwig's book that I could mail to someone.
Joe R.

Re: leaving list

2008-12-15 02:55:40

Alobar,
sorry to hear that you are leaving this list.
I can understand you being swamped. It happens to most of us.
I believe that much off-topic posting on this focussed list adds to
this kind of frustration.
I don't know how your 'Message Format' is set up under 'Edit My
Membership'. I have selected the last option:
'No email. Don't send me email, I'll read the messages at the Web
site.'
This way I can see all posts at the web site, select what I want to
read and by-pass the rest.
I may be worth a try.
Wilhelm

Re: Rancidity

2008-12-14 21:59:59

Hope,
thank you for a great post.
I fully agree with your father's comments on this subject.
It is straight forward, scientific and indisputable.
Wilhelm

Trying to balance CNOil and other fats

2008-12-14 15:33:32

Hi,
I just re-joined this list.
I used to take flax oil and FO/CC for prevention and eczema but it
didn't help my eczema as well as I wanted it to so I quit it and
increased my daily coconut oil dosage to 3 tbs daily. The CNOil helped
me more than I thought it may and improved my depression, improved my
mental function, digestion and had a warming effect on my body but it
also made me too alkaline.
http://somaticsplus.com says that saturated fat stores from coconut
oil need to be ample before flaxseed oil can be properly utilized.
Yesterday I began taking 2 tbs. of FSOil, and will take 2 tbs. of
CNOil with it every day, for a total of 4 tbs. of oil daily [2+2].
I'm hoping that this balance will eventually balance my pH.
I haven't been able to eat many fruits or vegetables because of the
excess alkalinity that CNOil caused with me. I think it's just a fatty
acid imbalance.
Joe R.

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Trying to balance CNOil and other fats

2008-12-14 12:22:07

for exzema, I gave my daughter 2 products that both have worked. She had this
since pre teen years and is now 26.
Dr. Christobher's "Chickweed" Ointment <A HREF="http://www.herbsfirst.com/"
Dr. Christopher's Original Herbal Formulas at Herbs First</A
http://www.herbsfirst.com/ (by the way... I have 'always' found success with
Dr. Christopher's formulas for any treatment I've tried)
Twin Labs DMAE H3 (liquid PABA) can be purchased in a good healthfood store.
<A HREF="http://www.twinlab.com/sold.htm"
http://www.twinlab.com/sold.htm
Good luck
BonnieB
In a message dated 8/31/2002 12:10:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
josephr525@... writes:
<<
Hi,
I just re-joined this list.
I used to take flax oil and FO/CC for prevention and eczema but it
didn't help my eczema as well as I wanted it to so I quit it and
increased my daily coconut oil dosage to 3 tbs daily. The CNOil helped
me more than I thought it may and improved my depression, improved my
mental function, digestion and had a warming effect on my body but it
also made me too alkaline.
http://somaticsplus.com says that saturated fat stores from coconut
oil need to be ample before flaxseed oil can be properly utilized.
Yesterday I began taking 2 tbs. of FSOil, and will take 2 tbs. of
CNOil with it every day, for a total of 4 tbs. of oil daily [2+2].
I'm hoping that this balance will eventually balance my pH.
I haven't been able to eat many fruits or vegetables because of the
excess alkalinity that CNOil caused with me. I think it's just a fatty
acid imbalance.
Joe R.

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] leaving list

2008-12-14 04:44:55

Alobar,
Good luck.
Jerry

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Rancidity

2008-12-13 19:15:15

Hope:
Like I said in an earlier post, I agreed that grinding as you go would be the
most optimum. All I did was share studies that have been done. If you carefully
read these studies(and shared them with your father), you would notice that the
researchers did follow conditions which one would do in their own home. I am not
recommending that people keep it around for 4 months----I would want them to eat
it. The 4 months came from the summary of studies done to date.
For one that is suffering from chronic illness, the fresher and purer the food,
the better. When I am working with patients that are trying to make healthier
changes for prevention sake, and the only way they will eat ground flax(and keep
it consistent in their diet in the beginning), I would recommend that they keep
1 week's worth ground flax in the frig to use. Why? I would rather see them
obtain most of the health benefits than none. For most Americans, if it is not
convenient and easy, healthy changes will not take place.
Hope, since your father was talking about nuts and seeds, what happens to other
nuts and seeds that have already been chopped and packaged? Is he implying that
they start becoming rancid right away and that people should avoid them?
Jane Reinhardt-Martin, RD, LD
Author: Flax Your Way to Better Health
www.FlaxRD.com

leaving list

2008-12-13 16:31:21

I am finding myself falling farther & farther behind in
keeping up with this list. I shall be signing off shortly. I have
not been keeping up with letters I have wanted to write. So, if I
owe anyone on this list an e-mail, please write me privately & remnd
me of our discussion.
Alobar

flax oil - estrogen BAD links

2008-12-13 06:02:40

sorry I didnt' reply to this earlier... My email box is full and I just found
it.
Sorry if I didn't make my request clear. I wanted to know opinions from the
list on the value of the test. If anyone's ever used it. It's not 100%.
Only 50 to 80% or so. The MD's don't think much of it. The homeopaths and
naturalists love it because if they 'can' identify the estrogen in question,
they can correct it by giving the correct estrogen to be used in other ways.
Clear as mud?
Bon
In a message dated 8/25/2002 11:53:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lorenzo1@... writes:
<<
Bonnie,
I am glad that many responded to your question about estrogen in foods.
Now; why do you ask hundreds of listers to look at a site without you
going to the trouble to at least send a pertinent paragraph to consider
before waiting and waiting for it to download??????
L

New Pictures

2008-12-13 02:18:11

http://geehansd.tripod.com/index.html

Rancidity

2008-12-12 23:45:44

Hi everyone,
When I began reading the discussion of rancidity on the FSO2
board, I wrote my father (M.D., cardiovascular surgeon and PHD,
pharmacology) and asked his opinion on this matter. He replied, but
I did not post his answer as I felt it best to let the matter rest.
When I read the message that Jane just posted to Wilhelm, I thought
that perhaps you might like to hear another opinion.
Do remember that he tries to break things down to a simple form
in his explanations to me as I have teased him in the past of using
technical jargon that is way over my head.
Below I include an excerpt of his letter.
Hope
"All food is on a constant path of deterioration.
Every living presence on this earth follows this
course from inception.
Cells age from moment to moment,
from day to day.
The problem in determining a time factor
predicting rancidity, would be in lacking
the knowledge of conditions
in which a food source would be placed.
If we are to discuss seeds and nuts, we
cannot do so without first considering their
primary environment.
The shells of both create a wall of great
protection as they are very hard in comparison
to the interior nut/seed.
These casings are able to provide the ideal
environment -- complete darkness, no oxygen,
and a relative standard of temperature .
A simple explanation would be to say the nut is
"vacuum packed".
When the nut or seed is cracked, this environment
changes immediately and the path has begun
to rancidity.
You have asked me whether the ground flax seed
becomes rancid within fifteen minutes or whether
it can actually retain all of its properties for four months
in an airtight container with refrigeration.
First of all, I must say that whoever is claiming that this
ground seed will retain all inherent value for four months
is ignoring the laws of science. No food item can do so.
Now can it retain most of its value? Unless you are able to
immediately move the flax meal into a similar environment to
its former one, of course it cannot.
Well, then how much of its value will be retained? Here is the
sticky part. There is no way this can be determined unless we
know the absolute environment of the ground flax.
If the ground flax is held in an airtight container, but opened daily
for personal use, then it is exposed to light and oxygen.
Each time the refrigerator door is opened, it is exposed to light.
Is the temperature held at a constant level?
Therefore as you see, the variables of oxygen, light and temperature
are too great to make an accurate judgment.
To make absolute claims in this area can only be misleading to the
patient.
I firmly agree with Dr. Budwig on this issue. Nuts and seeds begin
to lose their integrity within the realm of 15 - 20 minutes upon
leaving
their shell. Optimally, this would be the best time of consumption.
When one is studying any severe illness, as she was, then it is of
critical importance to have the reliability of your ingredients
remain as controlled as possible.
I'm not certain that I have answered your questions,
but I hope this has
helped. My advice would be to use the flax meal as
soon as possible upon
grinding, or certainly within a few days.
Just remember, as a doctor, it is important to give the optimal
advise to your patients. A food item that is fresh is always more
valuable nutritionally speaking.
As I cannot be certain of the environmental factors affecting the
food during storage, I would always advise freshness."

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] F/O Cottage/C Braun Mixer -the best

2008-12-12 16:34:24

We use a hand mixer..Better Crocker Blender and a Rival..both have done a
great job for us. And if anything sticks on the blades we swish it into
extra milk, and drink that too. We like blending the cottage cheese and the
flaxseed oil..it makes it so creamy like a milk-shake. Mel licks the
platters clean too..and there is hardly anything left on the blade..( oh
before licking it clean, make sure you unplug, and by all means don't cut
your tongue..
Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Request for Advice

2008-12-12 07:46:41

Deqr Hope at Kings creek. Do please suggest that no one is trying to sell
cottage cheese and Flax seed oil. andthat I could possiby be the answer
for your friends problem. Is someone has an extra copy of Budwigs book
perhaps they would mail it to this desparate person
Harold

F/O Cottage/C Braun Mixer -the best

2008-12-12 04:37:05

Once again I am posting this message for those who have not had the
pleaseure of using the Braun hand held mixer for FO/ CC mixing.
Believe it or not You can put your FO/CC in a CC carton with cubed apple or
most any other fruit and beat them into a creamy delight.
I have used one for my mixes every morning for the last 1 1/2 year with out
any problem. Please note I have not monetary interest in this company at
all.
Braun is the best brand for this type of hand mixer
Harold
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Documents

2008-12-12 02:36:49

Hi,
I have saved accounts, concerning breast cancer and others as well, that
have been posted to these lists.
I would prefer those who posted originally to come in again rather than
repost them myself. I do use those in writing to folks not on the lists.
If any of you could document your own experiences and put them in a file
which you can use very quickly it wouldn't take but a few seconds to post
them anytime they could be needed.
Give this some serious thought.
Cliff

Request for Advice

2008-12-11 19:59:56

I need some advice on a matter that I have recently encountered.
About a year ago, I met the sweetest retired couple. You have never
met anyone kinder in your life. They had told me about the struggles
of their only son who was diagnosed with ALS one year ago. They were
so proud of his positive spirit and his happy nature. Their son is
now confined to a wheelchair and speaks by typing words into his
computer. This is such a rapid disease. He was just doing well just
six months ago. When I saw my friends recently, they told me that
their son's wife had been diagnosed with breast cancer. She and her
husband are 38 years old and they have three young daughters. It is
hard to believe that so much can happen to one family. They removed
a large tumor from one breast and then performed a double
mastectomy. The breast cancer has entered the lymph nodes. I don't
know her personally, but I called her (this was a month or so before
I found this list and Dr. Budwig) and tried to help her find a
progressive physician in her area that my father had recommended.
During the same time period, she had just finished her rounds of
chemo and radiation. I am not sure how she is doing at this moment,
but she sounded very strong when I spoke with her. I just can't stop
thinking about this family and the overwhelming difficulties that
they are facing along with these three little girls (approx. 10, 7,
and 4).
This is my dilemma. What would be the best way to handle a
situation such as this? I know she would be interested in looking at
any alternative. Would it be possible for her to write someone off
of the list? Perhaps she would feel more comfortable that way at
first. It may not be necessary, but I wanted to have an alternative
to the list when I tell her about you. It is possible that she would
find posting intimidating. She could go ahead and join, reading
until she felt comfortable enough to post.
Has anyone experienced success with a cancer such as this? How
do you recommend I approach her with this information/
Sincerely, your long lost friend,
Hope

Re: [jstsayno2vaccs] flax oil...Say a prayer for a hero

2008-12-11 08:29:06

sure thing...
Cliff? would you please add Bev to the Flax oil 2 list? Thank you...
BonnieB

Natural Treatment Found Effective for Enlarged Prostate

2008-12-11 06:03:53

This is how a "look at this" message should be sent.
1. The subject is interesting.
2. The URL to find the Article is printed.
3. A brief quote indicates the complexity and language.
4. The Quote is identified as a quote somehow. """"""""
5. Those little dots..................indicate it was cut.
Lorenzo
http://www.nutrinus.com/#Treatment
"Natural Treatment Found Effective for Enlarged Prostate By Matt Brignall,
ND
Healthnotes Newswire (August 8, 2002)-A combination of natural products
effectively relieves the symptoms caused by an enlarged prostate gland,
according to a clinical trial published in International Urology and
Nephrology (2001;33:217-25).
In the new study, 70 men with a condition called benign prostatic
hyperplasia (BPH) took a combination of four different natural products:
cernitin (a mixture of rye, timothy, and corn pollens), saw palmetto,
beta-sitosterol, and vitamin E. Another 57 men took a placebo, serving as
the control group.
After three months, the men taking the natural products improved to a
significantly greater extent than the control group with respect to a number
of different measures............"

The establishment catches up eventually

2008-12-10 19:26:01

Natural Treatment Found Effective for Enlarged Prostate By Matt Brignall, ND
Healthnotes Newswire (August 8, 2002)-A combination of natural products
effectively relieves the symptoms caused by an enlarged prostate gland,
according to a clinical trial published in International Urology and Nephrology.
In the new study, 70 men with a condition called benign prostatic hyperplasia
(BPH) took a combination of four different natural products: cernitin (a mixture
of rye, timothy, and corn pollens), saw palmetto, beta-sitosterol, and vitamin
E. Another 57 men took a placebo, serving as the control group.
For the rest of the story please type http://www.nutrinus.com in the address bar
of your browser. If the web address is highlighted in blue you may be able to
double click on it and automatically go to the web site.

flax seed components

2008-12-10 14:36:23

This views far better if you change your browser to "view html" and then open
(or reopen) it. Otherwise, go to
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl or
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl
1. type in flax seed,
2. click on seed, flax
3. click on 1 TBS and view.
Free from US Taxpayers.
SaraLou

Dr. Mercola reports new data base for food.

2008-12-10 12:15:12

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/list_nut.pl
A search on flaxseed brought up a large table of contents
.
Footnotes:
1 Up to 12 percent flax seed can safely be used as an ingredient in food.
USDA Nutrient Database for Standard Reference, Release 15 (August 2002)

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] health from the sun

2008-12-10 04:01:58

Hi Marsha,
I can tell you that Health from the Sun Flax Oil is the number 1 selling flax
oil in the world. But in the same breath I would also tell you that I by the
generic brand found at walmart.
Thanks
Mike Martin
Flax Your Way To Better Health
WWW.FLAXRD.COM

health from the sun

2008-12-09 21:04:14

Hi,
Have any of you used Health from the sun flax oil? Is it as good as Barleans?
TIA
Marsha Bristol
mabristol@...

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] How to cope when we are so down we can't move

2008-12-09 17:33:17

Miz Judy,
How much will your book weigh?
Lorenzo

Does anyone belong to HSI?

2008-12-09 04:55:08

This is an organization that sells--(Please do not complain about that
part).
The question is does anyone belong to it at $49/year?
If so: What do you think of it?
They claim 70,000 membes and all kinds of information on vitamins etc.
Here is a little of their newsletter which is free.
Lorenzo
"Healthy Update, the weekly e-newsletter of HealthWorld
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resources from the world of healthy living, alternative
medicine and Self-Managed Care. To view HTML version
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Barry sheen the well known motor bike racer and now reporter for a radion station in Australia has cancer.

2008-12-09 02:58:46

I had no idea how to find his email address, so I got hold of a website for
motorbikes and he was featured as one of the commentators.
I sent a message to say please pass this on its very important, and wrote
him briefly about cottage cheese and pure flaxseed oil. I hope he writes
back as I would like to give him some important links to look up via the
web, please if you have any more post them to me privately or via this group
and I will pass them on in bulk to the same address and the lady will pass
them on.
Thanks ANNE

How to cope when we are so down we can't move

2008-12-08 22:17:45

How Do You keep peddling, when you need to climb? But at the same time you're
not sure you can make it to the top or peek around to the other side.
are you one that gives up to easily, when faced with a crisis, or rises to
challenge you?
We have friends with cancer, heart diseases, kidney failure, lung
problems,wheelchair bound..they at one time was active, sporty, eager going
folks, that could take care of not only yourself but your family as well..some
of you are even on this list, that your abdomen, stomachaches, and brain
functions, and surgeries has not solved some problems, and some of you are given
only less than 99.9 % to make it..luckily if 50/50%.
Yes, you that had won gifts, and prizes of travel, promotions in your jobs, Some
of you have been in the fastest race speeds of history. Some have been school
teachers, doctor's,lawyers, Nurses, Ministers,Evangelist, Missionary's,
Chemist,Truck drivers, Computerizer's,Office helpers, Salesmen and
Saleswomen.ETC.. y0u name it..occupations that many of us would not dare touch
with a ten-foot-pole, because it was not the thing we were called to do..but
again we have musicians, mechanics,mataintenace people, and those Jack of All
Trades, that helped to keep the world around us going. Some of us had most of
our lives volunteered time without pay, worked to wee hours into many weeks to
help another program get off to a good start to make other people happy..but now
what do you have to show for it but a tired out worn ole'body, ready it is.. to
clasps..How do you keep Peddling..when you need to climb, but you're not sure if
you can make it? It is not an Heroic conquering of the unknown that engages us,
it is the fat that you are not in a class alone-nor the only model person that
still needs to be disciplined and shown the determination that is out there..see
it in the sideline, turn your head a little and get at least a glimpse of
it..because of the nature of your disease you and you alone can take this
illness by the hand and push it along..frontward or backwards, upwards, or
downwards..the choice is yours. Lets take the person, that made up their mind to
do something about it..they got up and begin to do the things they once loved to
do..gradually they could dance, sing,do art, clean house, play with the animals,
chase after kids, and even fix meals..they found out that NOT giving UP was what
the one key was to making it all work again..Exercising, little by little,
learning to take into those bad lungs some fresh air, by going outside everyday
and breath in and out..ATTITUDE! wow! what a difference Attitudes make in
getting better..in healing process. Sure you may struggle up that hill, it will
be slowly, it may at times become very painful..but again the strength will come
gradually..it is not if you're going to win or loose..you are playing this game
only with yourself at the moment..But again you're not alone..because on this
same pathway you will meet another person that is struggling too...I know that,
for Mel and I are two other people on your same level..so please move over and
let us have an inch of that road to share. Years ago I was stationed in a chair.
It had two wheels that had to be turned in order for me to get from room to
room. I struggled to get from the chair to the bed.And after I was in bed I
struggled often to sit back up and be able to dangle my feet, just in order to
slide my body over to a port-pot, or to get my romp upon a bedpan..I was unable
often times to even make my arms move..so I know what it is like to be spending
my entire life at that time struggling to get better, or just lay there and die
in self-pity. I knew I didn't want to become so feeble I had to be waited on
hand and foot..many years I struggled with one thing or another, until stress
finally nearly put me into the grave along side my youngest son..Cancer nearly
took over, and my emotions of distress ran high..I was becoming not only for
Mel, but mainly myself a basket case. I was not pushing myself up that mountain,
I was not trying to even pull a little on a life-line to yank me back up to the
first curve to see what was on the other side..in fact at the moment I had cared
less. I was so low, I doubted that I could even come back to the
happy-go-lucky-person I had once been, Eager, full of joy, able to reach out to
help others in their own struggles. Yet I also knew at the same time I couldn't
serve God as well in the condition I was either. This is when I called upon him
to come into my life and give me the strength I was in need of..to again clear
my mind of all the wrong thoughts and give to me those positive ones..To take
away my self-pity..But at the same time I told him that if I wasn't worth saving
than to just take me, because the way things were I was done trying to climb
another mole hill. I had to come to the place that I forgot myself and had to
rely upon God who was stronger, and wiser than myself..I didn't want to loose my
Ministry..I had a congregation that needed to see a miracle in this day and age
we live in. One can not preach that God heals, when the _Pastor is down in bed
unable to function..One can not tell another how to build up Faith, when their
Pastor has nearly lost their own..I had a mountain to climb, I had a life to
find again, I had a body that needed attention badly..I had many headaches that
needed to be taken away..I had a pain in my leg where the cancer was taking
over, and I wanted to keep this leg awhile longer to be able to walk..not use
crutches or have to live in a wheelchair all my life.. I knew I had to take heed
and handle it well..I wanted to be effective again..I had to find out how to
number my own days, and how to see a different view ahead. " A cheerful Heart is
good Medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones" This verse in Proverbs
17:22.. haunted me day and night. It picked at my mind like someone would use a
toothpick in there teeth until they bleed..The blood of Christ was again filling
my vessel with a glow-a desire to live, to teach: And this verse came to me
often as well." Teach us to number our days as well (aright), that we may gain a
heart of wisdom." Psalms 90:12. Here is when I begin to handle the situation
when I focus myself back to realization and keeping God one step ahead of my
clumsy feet..Learning to walk again was not easy. I ache, and the pains were not
easy to take. I gritted my teeth with every pressure of the leg, pushing on my
foot. During my darkest hours, the people from the Church would come to help
cheer me on. Dottie and Mable, they never left me alone for one minute when they
seen the struggling and the tears rolling down my cheek. Prayer..oh how we did
pray, around the clock for my strength to get better. Soon I gained a
perspective, and I aimed for the highest peek. I wanted to become useful again
in the Ministry and Evangelistic work for the Lord. Satan was not about to shut
this door into my face again. I wanted what was in the Heaven's storehouse..it
was mine I knew for the taking..but I had to learn to reach out to get it,
before Satan snatched it out of my hands like a greedy child. I didn't want a 5
cent candy bar I wanted that larger box that cost $35,00 big smack-a-roos. Why
not it belonged to me..it was a gift from God. Once I again gave my entire body
back to God, my wisdom also begin to grow.,.and the faith along with each day,
as things in my body begin to change. I look back now knowing God couldn't have
healed me all at once..my body would have not taken the SHOCK! of it. My mind
would have EXPLODED! sometimes healing that comes gradually, seems to mean
more..it did to me. Something's happen in life which we have no control. When
things happen like when we get a disease, we have to get to the root of it to
find out why did it happen to me? Sometimes we have worn ourselves out and God
has to put us into a situation to wake us up to some spiritual well being..or in
my case He was showing me how to find the proper foods to eat..that medical
alone is not enough for the body when it begins to break down..I ha to learn to
see joy even in the least of it. I had to learn to look at my family in a
different way, and laugh even when they were not funny..I had to learn to
control my anger, and care less what people may think of me..I learned by
reading, and listening to God that stress would kill me quicker than anything
else..that my body needed exercise..I had to find a new level in the morning
hours to sustain me the rest of the day. Stress can breakdown the protective
lining in our blood vessels, leading to cholesterol buildup and heart
disease..it can also cause cancers to et us alive..Yet at the same time I
learned that laughter was reversing the illness around..When the Church and
other friends and family came to put on skits..that were so funny I'd catch
myself laughing for hours and days afterwards. When I was laughing I learned I
was telling my body that this stressful circumstance isn't going to take over in
the wrong way..and if I was able to laugh I was able to continue each day to get
stronger..If I left fear creep in..then surely I deserved to die..It was after I
learned to sit up in bed one day, read God's word, the verses given here..and
exercising not only my brain, but making my arms and legs do simple movements..I
begin to notice the change..I had to also learn that you can not be feeling
sorry for yourself, and want self-pity all the time. I had a family to take care
of and children that still needed me, and a husband that had to get back to his
own normal day of work-loads. I wanted to LIVE..and be USED in a greater way
than before. Abraham Lincoln himself laughed in the darkest hour he had humor,
during the Civil War, was criticized for his jolliness..to which he replied."
With the fearful strain that is on me, if I do not laugh, I should die." So like
Abe I begin to laugh, even over the dumbest things. Like one day I seen this
ant, trying to grab hold of a piece of cracker I had dropped on the ground
beside my feet while sitting outside in the wheelchair. That ant kept dropping
it and another came along and took it away. Then the weak-ant would again go and
try to get it back..I watched this go on for a long while until they ended up
what looked like fighting over this now crumb they had made. Survival to
win..that ant not only made me laugh, but also gave me a goal to
follow..DETERMINATION to make it. So armed in wisdom..I can do it..and if I can
so can YOU. Or are you going to sit, or lay there angry, because you seem to be
on the wrong side of the world..alone in your own pitiful way? Get up and climb
that last meter, suck in that last fresh air, grab yourself an apple and place
it on your own head, and looking in a mirror..shoot it off, careful not to
shatter the image in front of you..daydreams can come to life..mine did. JOY
another secret word..JOY, can emerge from any valley, and looking up that
mountain will not be so hard to climb. So here I am..offering to you a piece of
the rock..That is Christ Jesus..and before him there is no stumbling blocks, no
pebbles in the pathway to make you stumble..what is to be ..will be..New bones
can and will form in that body..new cells will take over the dead ones..there is
no such thing as failure..and the old scars will soon vanish And once more you
will have a new mission in life.
Love Miz Judy..
(this will be in my book)
Written while on Vacation August..2002 Climbing a Bad Land Mountain one
afternoon..when I was scared to death of falling over and meeting my doom, or
grabbing onto Mel and taking him along with me over the graveled edge..so loose
that even an ant wouldn't make it.

Note

2008-12-08 16:41:26

An excerpt from a message from a friend.
Cliff
***********
I had my two year checkup a few weeks ago. The tests showed
no sign of a recurrence of my cancer. I still take my flax oil and
cottage cheese! I'm not taking any chances!
Jean

Re: Reply#1/Rancidity of ground flaxseed

2008-12-08 07:35:47

Hi Mike,
Thank you for replying.
As usual, I find myself in agreement with what you are saying.
I believe that springs mainly from our common pro-Budwig position.
Count me as one of the "traditionalists".
I think I have said this before, but I like this quote by Adelle
Davies:
"Eat the foods that spoil, but eat them before they spoil"
That simple sentence is loaded with nutritional wisdom.
It sounds as though Dr.Budwig could have written it.
Wilhelm

flax oil - estrogen BAD links

2008-12-08 07:17:45

Dianne,
Glad to hear that your test was comforting.
Sounds Cheap compared to a Mammogram?
Was it at a large Center or in the local Office?
Or is it too new for Insuranc