Flax Seeds

Does anyone know anything about these "consumer labs" people?
The reason that I ask is that neither Barlean nor WholeFoods brand is
mentioned as passing their test. Both brands have been recommended
on this list. So I am wondering if "consumer labs" only tests
brands which pay them a fee? Or there is some other reasons why
Barleans & WholeFoods are not recommended -- having nothing to do
with quality.
Alobar

i don't have the recipe book yet. i will get it. but for now, i am looking
at the url http://datadepo.com/cancercure/budwig.htm that wilhelm sent.
thanks alot for that btw.
it says: "the best combination is cottage cheese and linseed oil. The
linseed oil should be freshly ground."
i'm confused. (and maybe when i get the recipe book all this will be cleared
up). does this mean that we MAKE the oil? how does one do that? or does this
mean to use the FO from the health food store (Barlean's or whatever) and to
freshly GRIND the flax seeds??
one of the reasons i haven't really gone with this diet before now is
because of how confused i've gotten by the diet/recipes. but this time i'm
DETERMINED to get to the heart of the matter!!!
:)))
thanks alot
-dianna

Dianna
I found the interpratations of Budwig's protocol too disparate so I got
her two Eng;ish translations a couple of weeks ago, after using her protocol
since Jan 2001.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&
field-author=Budwig%2C%20Johanna%20Dr./103-8576759-4335036
mjh
In a message dated 8/13/02 1:42:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dianna@... writes:

Hiya all
Since I don't have a trampoline, I sit on the edge of the bed and GENTLY
bounce while sitting.
Works for me
mjh
In a message dated 8/13/02 1:59:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
glogan@... writes:

Hi Sally....... Know one was picking on your mothers size, I just indicated that
bouncing on a trampoline may not be as an effective solution for helping her
drain the lymph glands, even if it is a good method to use, I suppose Mike
indicated in his reply to me that she could still have some benefit even if the
bouncing is very little........
Gerry Logan

mjh, can you tell me please the name of the recipe book? i will get it. the
recipes i mentioned were at the link (and many other links) that another
member sent me.
thanks alot,
-dianna

Dianna
I don't find that in her recipe book, although for breakfast she
recommends 2T limonel (cracked flaxseed cereal she developed) plus 3T
flaxseed oil and 1/2 cup yoghurt (Idon't do cottage cheese) with fresh
fruits, nuts, lemon juice for variety.
Every meal of the day there is flaxseeds/oil/dairy product in some
combination.
Her recipes do not include servings estimate and I find it sometimes
hard to phathom her intent.
Hope this helps
mjh
In a message dated 8/13/02 12:55:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dianna@... writes:

Joel.
There are nine different ELDI oils.
I gave a list of them once on this list.
They are (a blend of?) oils which she scientifically developed.
She briefly touches on it in her latest book (p.25).
They are available from:
Gesundheitsprodukte-Reformwaren Th.Bloching,
72250 Freudenstadt, Birkenweg 3, Germany
Tel: 07441-2877
Fax: 07441-85765
Wilhelm

THANK YOU SO MUCH! this link is great. what i really don't understand is why
all the recipes i've seen for mixing the fo/cc use around 8oz of fo, when
there is no way that you would eat that much in one meal. yet we are to mix
it fresh with every use. am i missing something here? (really, i mean this)
thanks
-dianna

Dr. Budwig mentions ELDI oils (an acronym referring to "electron
differentiation") in one of her books -- "to be applied externally and
also as rectal enemas"-- but doesn't indicate what they are or where to
get them. Does anyone here know?
Joel

Sally,
Does this veggie diet include red and blue berries?
Are you providing a wide range of vitamin and mineral supplements?
Loreanzo

Sally
One cup is 8 fluid ounces.
2 tablespoons is one fluid ounce
In a message dated 8/13/02 12:25:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Sally.Delaat@... writes:

WHAT KIND OF SPAM IS THIS??
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT COMES WITH MOST VIRUS ATTACKS.
Lorenzo

Hi Wilhelm,
Thanks for this most valuable piece of information on Cheese and updating
Dr. Budwig`s postion towars cheese. ( Assuming that the absence of cheese in
her latest book is tacit consent). [ Maybe Otto can ask her when he sees her
next???].
For the last two years, I have instinctively stopped eating all cheeses
which I love because I know what`s in them. I.too, could not understand why
Dr. Budwig agreed to use them in the " Oil-Protein Cook Book", except that
some cheeses were excellent a few decades ago, until the great alterations
(GMO/hormones in milk/etc) came about in the last two decades. Or am I wrong
on my thinking? I am willing to stand corrected on this all important
matter...
Now you see why I want her lastest book, even if not in English. I will
force myself to improve on my German! Thanks and best, Ciao to all, Mike
Cinelli
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operacat,
I recall that too, Dr.Budwig used to have cheese in her diet plan.
I always wondered about that.
In her latest book 'Cancer - The Problem and the Solution' (available
in German only) cheese is conspicuous by its absence.
Wilhelm

Hi again Sally and all,
1 cup =about 240 mls.[ Some make it 250mls.]1 table spoon = 15 mls. 1 cup =8
ounces.I hope this helps. Good health and good calculating to all!, Mike
Cinelli
============================================================================

Hi Gerry,
Thanks for the info. I am not suggesting that Sally`s mother "jump" on the
trampoline, and especially now when you mention that she has a weight
situation which makes it hard to do, but a Trampoline can be useful even
with several initial impediments. Pls note that for very weak people, or
those who are not used to exercise. or for overweight people, there is no
need to jump on a trampoline. I believe Gary Carter, the biggest
expert/advocator of the Trampoline, said that a person has only to sit on a
Trampoline and move very slowly, easily, and carefully up and down while
sitting, a little each day to obtain good results. (Paraphrazing). This will
get the lymph moving out of the lympth nodes and out of the body. The
poisons/wastes usually plug up the lympth nodes and they are essential to
clean out by any means possible.
I also just remember that Ed Skilling has made several machines that clear
the lymth nodes. By doing aninternet search on him you can obtain some
valuable input on lymth nodes. Why doctors remove them by surgical means has
baffled me over the last few years.I hope this helps with finding (a) better
way(s) to get the lymth moving again. It is vital to good health.,
Again, Gerry, thanks for calling this to my attention. I have not been
following Sally`s situation too much.
Thanks and best of health to all, Mike Cinelli
=====================================================================

So if i use 1 cup of CC and what to use it heavy as it is a bad
cancer and use about 8 tablespoons of fo will that be ok.
Sakkyt
--
Experience is a hard teacher, she gives the test first the lesson after
Work like you dont need the money
Love like you've never been hurt
and dance like no one is watching
SAlly
GPO BOX 2100
Adelaide SA 5001
Students Association Flinders University

Yes, 1 cup of cc is about right for 8 tblsp of fo.
Wilhelm

Hi Sally,
1 cup = 8 oz
I find it easier to just express everything in tablespoons.
1 tblsp FSO requires 2 tblsp of cc. - a ratio of 1:2
That way you can always easily measure the right quantity of cc
required.
I meant to ask about your mother -
is she also taking enzymes? That is important.
Papaya juice or fruit is very good (the seeds are apparently even
higher in enzymes).
Wilhelm

Mike......... this lady weighs 350 lbs, I doubt very much if she could bounce on
a baby trampoline or any other kind of trampoline......I know it is a good
exercise for clearing out the lymph nodes under a more normal situation but I
wouldn't recommend it here....
the poor woman could end up breaking her legs or hips. It appears to me that
she is fighting a serious situation here not just cancer, she needs to go on Rev
Malkmus's
Hallelujah Diet www.hacres.com/healthtips.asp, maybe with his diet plan, no
meat, no sugar, no dairy, she could helped, Rev Malkmus healed his own cancer
with this diet..
Gerry Logan

I would just like to say that my mother is large due to another health problem.
--
Experience is a hard teacher, she gives the test first the lesson after
Work like you dont need the money
Love like you've never been hurt
and dance like no one is watching
SAlly
GPO BOX 2100
Adelaide SA 5001
Students Association Flinders University

Hi dianna,
you are not the only one, this has been discussed before.
But this comes from Dr.Budwig.
If you like a reference, go to:
http://datadepo.com/cancercure/budwig.htm
Look for:
"Letter from Dr. Budwig's Patient"
Within that letter you will find:
"Other rules:
Never keep food for the next meal - food must be prepared fresh"
That is obviously because of loss of nutrients and spoilage
(oxidation). Flax oil and seeds are among the foods that spoil
easiest.
Ground flaxseeds are especially prone to quick oxidation (rancidity).
You may have noticed that yourself.
In the book 'Flax Oil as a true Aid......' Dr.Budwig says on page 22
that ground flaxseeds spoil within 10-15 minutes.
There are probably other quotes too, but these are the two I
remember off hand.
Wilhelm

thanks for all your advice. Can anyone help with the conversion 1
cup = how many ounces.?
thanks
--
Experience is a hard teacher, she gives the test first the lesson after
Work like you dont need the money
Love like you've never been hurt
and dance like no one is watching
SAlly
GPO BOX 2100
Adelaide SA 5001
Students Association Flinders University

Hi Sally,
It`s too bad that your mother is not responding, as you would like, to the
Flaxseedoil/Cottage cheese protocol of Dr. Budwig which has saved many
patients. It can take months before the full effect takes place depending
on the individual`s health habits, condition and willingness to follow all
that Dr. Budwig says. You`ll have to examine several things and perhaps
adjust your/her thinking a bit.
1. Have you obtained copies of Dr. Budwig`s books in English? They give a
compendium of things to do and to follow:example, getting on/developing
healthy nutritional eating habits: like No meat, being basically
vegetarian, plenty of berries, nuts, fresh fruits and raw vegtables, etc.
"It`s all in her Oil-Protein Cookbook". Her other basic book in English is a
seies of 3 lectures which she gave in Europe for the layman, so we could
easiy understand her thinking, reasons and protocol. It`s called " Flax
Oil,As A True Aid Against Arthritis, Heart Infarction, Cancer And Other
Dieseases".It`s the best book on health that I have ever read, personally.
You can get them from Barlean`s Organic Oils, bookstores or healthfood
shops. Barlean`s has them at the lowest prices I have found. They are must
reading because Dr. Budwig`s protocol is more than the Flaxseedoil/Cottage
Cheese intake. It`s about eliminating toxins, like sugar, white flour, bad
fats , "junk foods", using good nutritional foods, the sun`s radiation,
moderate exercise, spirituality as in closeness to Nature, etc. There is no
one magic bullet. It`s everything together. In short, it`s getting back in
tune with Nature and living the way we were suppose to live without stress,
fake foods, poisonous intake, lack of clarity in thinking,etc.Since you are
associated with Flinder`s University, you may be able to get the books
through them....
2. Having said that, some people on the list have done quite well without
the whole protocol! Ask them and they will tell you. Your mother`s will to
live is important and she needs a postive atmosphere in which to live. Dr.
Budwig offers that as is evident in her books.
3 At the same time, we are all responsuble for our own health, and that
means we should have the right to choose what protocols to follow or not to
follow. The list members are the first to say that they use other things at
times but the Dr, Budwig Protocol is their mainstay.
Australia is a beautiful country , blessed with the finest fruits and
vegetables found anywhere, and the air is much better than in most places
because of being in the Southern Hemisphere, without the pollution of the
Northern Hemisphere. At night you can still clearly see the stars shining
brightly and the waters surrounding the Conitinent have wonderful beaches.
This dosn`t mean that you have to go surfing, but the beautiful scenery is
outstanding, including the mountains! I was fortunate to have lived there
for a while and to me it was one of the most spiritual places I have ever
seen, in terms of closeness with Nature. Both your mother and you are truly
lucky to be there,
4. I am sure list members will send you all kinds of good suggestions, but
it comes back to taking your own health in your hands and doing what you
think is right for you. Dr. Budwig`s protocol gives us the missing Omega 3
and the right way to get nutritional foods into your system. Good luck on
your quest!
A lot of us have lost our mothers and/or loved ones to cancer and we think
that had we`d known about Dr. Budwig and her protocol, they may have
survived. Again, you and your mother still have the chance for that.
Ciao for now, Good reading, Good luck and Good health to you, your Mother
and all list members, Mike Cinelli
P.S.
The Australian weight measure tern "Stone" is equal to 14 pounds. 10 stone
=140lbs.
For lympth nodes, rebounding on a baby trampoline (Rebounder) is very
effective according to many.
Ciao, sally, good luck to you and your mother (mum)!Mike Cinelli

The page is not available.

Hi Sally,
Go onto the website: www.pau-d-arco.com and order this tea for your mother.
Brenda

THANKS CYNTHIA. MUCH APPRECIATED.
--
Experience is a hard teacher, she gives the test first the lesson after
Work like you dont need the money
Love like you've never been hurt
and dance like no one is watching
SAlly
GPO BOX 2100
Adelaide SA 5001
Students Association Flinders University

Here are 2 pages on the Weston Price site:
http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/FullSpectrum.html
http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/SeeingTheLight.html
Also i believe omega 3s are necessary for cell protection
as well as vitamin C. There is a proven connection in pub-
med about omega 6 Sunlight and skin cancer - but when there is
enough omega 3 the skin cancer cann't happen.
Do you get in the sun? Hours/week? I'm sure you are
getting enough omega 3s.
Rick

if a person is getting enough vitamin C then the Sun does not damage
the skin.

Hi Sally: I would suggest 6 -7 tablespoon of oil in 3 intervals, with about
a cup of cc.
cynthia

Hi all,
The cc/fo combination on its own does not seem to be workign for my
mum. I am using 4oz of cottage cheese and and 2.5 oz of fo.
My concern is my mum is a large women probably about 25 stone. (not
sure of the conversion) Perhaps I am not using enough FO.
Other than the FO I do not use anything else other than a high
vegetable diet, no dairy products, and she drinks lots of water.
As she has cancer in a lymph node is there anything that she should
be taking for that. I really want my mum to get better. We are
willing to try everything and she has started to beleive again that
she will die. I NEED HELP.
Sally
--
Experience is a hard teacher, she gives the test first the lesson after
Work like you dont need the money
Love like you've never been hurt
and dance like no one is watching
SAlly
GPO BOX 2100
Adelaide SA 5001
Students Association Flinders University

The Albert Lea Seed house in MN has it--look for them with Google.
If you may find it locally at a "Feed" store. Ask them when the new crop gets
in.
You want it from a northern climate.
It is kind of easy to grow, and has pretty blue flowers, hard to harvest. I
give some to the Chickens.
I cost about $13 per 50 lbs or $25 for organic.
Shipping cost me $20 per 50 lbs.
Lorenzo

http://keelaske.tripod.com

Anne

I have been told that it helps get rid of mucous from the body?
Thanks ANNE

Missed the part on Sunlight by Price; however some others say that if a person
is getting enough vitamin C then the Sun does not damage the skin.
Lorenzo
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: Prostae Cancer/Milk etc
Hi Lorenzo
You are also framiliar with Weston Price writings on Sunlight?
How much Sunlight do you get? Most of the Weston Price studies
had natives which spent long hours in Sunlight - where we
avoid it and worst of all wear sunglasses.
Rick
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i am surprised to read this! i was told quite some time ago that it was okay
to mix up the cc/fo in large batches and use it over 4-7 days time. have i
been doing this wrong all this time?
thanks
-dianna

Lorenzo,
I'm not worried about cheese. I like cheese. I just don't like knowing
whether there is extra hormone in it due to chemicals from Monsato and
possibly other companies. If I purchased cheese from natural sources, I
wouldn't have that concern. If you read my message, that is what I said. In
years past, when I've tended to be more vegetarian, cheese has been one of my
staples. It still continues to be a food I like very much and eat a lot of.
Why do you think I think Dr. Budwig is crazy when I say that I would prefer
organic foods. That is what I read in her books. And that is what I prefer,
so we agree. And if you read my message, that is what I said.
The other concern that I have for myself, PERSONALLY, and not for any other
person, is that I eat a large amount of cheese on a weekly basis (several
pounds - and not cottage cheese) in addition to cottage cheese and yogurt
with flax oil, and a couple of pounds of cheese a week tends to provide more
fat calories than I prefer. Note that the word is prefer. I'm not willing to
give up cheese to lose those extra fat calories. If I were willing to do the
extra few minutes of exercise, or cut my cheese consumption a bit, I'd
probably easily lose the extra 10 pounds or so. But, I'm not willing to give
up cheese. I like it and I think it's pretty good for you.
It's just the chemicals added that I don't trust. And I don't trust Monsanto
for how they've pushed their chemicals.
Hmmmm, if I were the suspicious type, I'd wonder if you are fronting for
Monsanto. When I mention BST, you respond quite aggressively and neglect to
mention that that was my main concern about cheese. But, I figure you just
didn't read my message carefully.
Clyde
In a message dated 8/2/02 9:13:10 PM, lorenzo1@... writes:
.
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.

In a message dated 8/12/2002 1:15:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
wilhelmh@... writes:
Thanks for your reply Wilhelm, it is most helpful, I will forward it my
friend, he takes Flax Oil pills, and I'm trying to get him on the FO/CC
mixture. I use to take 2 tablespoons with 1/4 cup of CC everyday. I've always
heard that the pills are no good. Take the real thing, take the mixture
Again Thanks for your help,
Mike B

Hi Lorenzo,
You are correct on your assessment of human nature, although people should
not be that way. Re: the comments made by Dr. Enig, I can not seem to
access the coconut files so I don`t know what she actually said. If you know
of the source, would you post it because I would like to actually read it.
Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli
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jealousy; and too many others are poor at personal relations. Many make
some valuable contributions and few sell their souls to the Devil as it
appears one Dr. S did while at a prestigious University taking cash from
the sugar producers while writing reports that sugar was a wonderful food
with no health consequences.
make the mistake of thinking that like teenagers they know everything.
Then they make unwarranted statements outside of their field and spoil their
own reputation.

Hi Lorenzo
You are also framiliar with Weston Price writings on Sunlight?
How much Sunlight do you get? Most of the Weston Price studies
had natives which spent long hours in Sunlight - where we
avoid it and worst of all wear sunglasses.
Rick

language of "studies" and therfore difficult for ordinary scientists
to evaluate AND all the under the table money around may I suggest
that The Notmilk Site may mean well but I find the synopsis's to brief
to evaluate.
mention of whether or not these non-English speaking countries make
this distinction. And what were the Cows eating?
vigorus good health of "tribes" on a variety natural food diets.
Even some on mostly dairy diets showed good health.
changing from raw milk to pasturized--While my situation does not
prove anything; Still I am always very sensitive to the milk issue!

Mike,
Mary Enig made an "unfounded" evaluation of Dr. Budwg's work.
It was in a language often used to demean; and it showed that the writer had
not bothered to read the work that was being put down.
I called it for what it was and Brian did not let my comment thru to his
Coconut list; probably to avoid further discussion.
You are so right- some few scientists can not rise above personal jealousy;
and too many others are poor at personal relations. Many make some valuable
contributions and few sell their souls to the Devil as it appears one Dr. S
did while at a prestigious University taking cash from the sugar producers while
writing reports that sugar was a wonderful food with no health consequences.
Often well qualified "Experts" after they are well recognized in one field make
the mistake of thinking that like teenagers they know everything. Then they
make unwarranted statements outside of their field and spoil their own
reputation.
We have to be careful.
Lorenzo

Hi Mike,
With the thousands of studies done and most of them in the special language of
"studies" and therfore difficult for ordinary scientists to evaluate AND all
the under the table money around may I suggest that The Notmilk Site may mean
well but I find the synopsis's to brief to evaluate.
We worry about raw milk, and homoginization; however there was no mention of
whether or not these non-English speaking countries make this distinction. And
what were the Cows eating?
Now May I suggest the Weston Price writings; they indicated vigorus good
health of "tribes" on a variety natural food diets. Even some on mostly dairy
diets showed good health.
I myself suffered miserbly as a child for several years after changing from raw
milk to pasturized--While my situation does not prove anything; Still I am
always very sensitive to the milk issue!
All I have to do is eat some types of dairy and I will have measurable miserable
sinus flow.
When it comes to food and diet there are very many variables.
Watching what people buy at my market I predict serious health problems for most
of them.
Lorenzo

Hi bg,
Things sometimes/somehow work out in unexplained ways, as you having
"stumbled" across "an intake" of the Dr. Budwig protocol by
"chance/luck/miracle" a few years ago. Or was it pure thinking health factor
analyses?
You are in my family`s prayers and I wish you good reslts with your liver
and bone scans this week. Good luck, bg, we wish you well and good health.
Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli

Hi Alobar,
Thanks for this long post on CLA in part answer To 'milk. cheese.and ice
cream being called" cancer fuel" in Robert Cohen`s post " referenced below:
On the surface, while skimming the whole article, it seems to raise some
questions, ...among others,
1. Why does Dr. Budwig say to use "low fat" dairy products instead of Whole
(fat) milk as mentioned here?
2. How does GMO Milk "stack up" against the "milk" in these studies?
3. Flaxseed oil is mentioned as an excellent source of CLA, isn`t it?
4. Omega 6 and Omega 9 don`t fare so well, do they? Aren`t they found in
most oils?
5. Some answers seem to be in the complete understanding of fats and oils ,
and that`s where a lot of research has been done by people such as Dr.
Budwig,Ph.D.`s,[Bio-chemistry,Natural Sciences/Germany], Dr. Erasmus
Udo,Ph.D.,[Nutrition/Canada,] and most recently Dr. Mary Enig, Ph.D.,
[Bio-chemistry/USA].
(It is interesting to note that Dr. Erasmus Udo seems to have agreed with
Dr. Budwig and venerated her in his 1986 edition of "Fats and Oils", but
then allegedly changed his views somewhat in a later 1992(?) edition, when
he had entered the commercial market. Brian on the Coconut list said that
Dd. Enig.Ph.D., allegedly "did not think too much of Dr. Budwig". I have not
seen either of these orginial sources, and am only passing on 3d party
comments. It would seem that professional jealousy is found at evey level,
eh? Dr. Budwig was the real pioneer in our understanding of fats and oils,
and has a 50+ year track record by her writings, in her Clinic, and by her
Flaxseedoil/low fat Quark/Cottage Cheese/Yoghurt Protocol, which has saved
countless people).
I await word of the achievements of the others, and I do respect them for
their works, and great contributions to our understanding of Fats and Oils.
They have forged bravely ahead against the widespread
mis-information/dis-information of the powers that wanted to suppress
continually our knowledge of "deadly fats and oils", (like Food Processors,
the Pharma/Chemical/Medico Cartel, and others,) and thereby have brought Dr.
Budwig`s battles against these same forces which she previously fought
alone in Europe. Now Dr. Udo and Dr. Enig, are making people in USA and
Canada more aware of the dangers of "Trans Fatty Acids".
I am grateful to all three of these 'researchers" . There may be
others,too, but these three standout ... Ciao for now, Good reading, good
"digestion" and good health to all, Mike Cinelli
P.S.
Alobar, I am grateful for this info, but it will take a lot to digest/inbibe
it all ( no pun intended).
In the meantime, how do you and others feel about it?
Ciao for now/Thanks and best. Mike Cinelli
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[ " From: "notmilk2002" <notmilk@...
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:11:42 -0000 Subject: NOTMILK - DAVE NEEDS YOUR
BEST WISHES & PRAYERS

Hi All,
Here is an interesting piece from Robert Cohen`s Not Milk Site. It came in
todat....Good reading, and good luck, Mike Cinelli
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From: "notmilk2002" <notmilk@...
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:11:42 -0000
Subject: NOTMILK - DAVE NEEDS YOUR BEST WISHES & PRAYERS

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By implication, NDGA would make a good antioxidant/stabilizer for FSO
Vincent

Hi All,
1.This came from a cross newsgroup.It`s good to see others spread the word
about the Dr. Budwig protocol, and its many faces. Tracy doesn`t "mince"
words...as you will note.
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"Subject: [Mr_Tracys_Corner] Re: Beat back your arthritis pain naturally

MJH,
Thank you. This is so true - and magnificent!
operacat

Anne,

Brenda.......... the world is full of crooks and that includes the producers of
herbs and supplements, that is why I suggested dealing with a trustworthy
source, when people see the opportunity to make money you have to watch
out........
Gerry Logan

Caution - According to Roger Delong, the "tea guy", as I call him, nutrition
stores are NOT a good source to purchase the tea. Any processed form such as
tablets, gel tabs, capsules, tinctures, seem to be ineffective. One must
boil the constituents from the inner bark, the whole herb, in order for it to
be effective. (from the website: www.pau-d-arco.com). Ground bark in
capsules is totally useless. Brenda

Hi Peter, Good post. We are finally agreeing to something. That`s good, the
way it should be, eh? Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli
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Hi Steve,
What a wonderful friend you are and what a great person Gwen is,even if she
has passed on. It is always sad when we lose a good friend and you are to be
commended for all the encouragement, understanding and love you poured out
in trying to save her at every stage. It is gratifying that she met with
success by following protocols which she instinctively believed could help
her. The first part of the story is great. I am truly sorry that Gwen`s 2d
part of the story did not end as you would have liked. That has happened to
any of us, as others will tell you.
Gwen`s determination to get healthier by using the Beck protocol speaks for
itself. Radiation seldom has a good story as my sister found out. She is
struggling and is courageous,too. It seems she has developed "allergies" and
is seeking another opinion at the Mayo Clinic at this time.
One thing I learned in my studies, and by self-treatment/experience, is
that there is "no single protocol magic bullet," although one can be the
"mainstay". The CS, the Beck protocol, ozone, H2O2 all seemed to have helped
in Gwen`s total picture. I would like to suggest that people look into or
study the Dr. Budwig Protocol, which is so easy to take, costs virtually
little, and anybody can do it by him/herself. Dr. Budwig has written 12
books, but only two are translated into English from the German. She is
Germany`s foremost expert on Fats and Oils and believes a lack of Omega 3 ,
brought about by the Food Processors` method of hydrogenating oils and
partially hydrogenating oils, are two of the main culprits in our "Diseased
World." Check out her two books: Flaxoil, As A True Aid To Arthritis, Heart
Infarction, Cancer And Other Diseases", and, "The Oil-Protein Cook Book,"
available at any good book store, Internet book stores, Health Food Shops,
or from Barlean`s Flaxseed Organic Oils.They are very interesting, to say
the least!
I used this protocol as my mainstay protocol when I came down with a Left
Lung Infection ( 90%+) infected, last summer. After several weeks of
prodding by my wife due to what seemed to me as a never ending,
increasing,hacking cough, I finally went to a doctor for X-rays but I did
not take the antibiotics given to me. Rather, I used an increase in the
amount of the maintenance level Flaxseed oil/low fat cottage
cheese(yoghurtlike) combination, Ginger teas, Ginseng, Gotu Kola, Vitamin C,
Vitamin E, the Beck Pulser, the Zapper, CS, some H2O2, Cayenne pepper,
propolis, a lot of fresh fruits & vegetables, some flaxseed ground up, and
not much of daily carbohydrates (rice, pasta) intake, some eggs and a lot
of water and rest. (I`m sure I left out something!).The rest was all
important and I put a stop to several activities that were draining me at
the time. The infection was diagnosed, I found out after one month, as
Walking Pneumonia.[The doctors wouldn`t tell me what it was , only at first
that it might be heart problems ( which it wasn`t), and then perhaps a
pulmonary infection,( which it was). Within a total time of two months it
was gone. I am not giving or suggesting any medical advice here, but stating
what I did. I was lucky that it worked out, and it has taken me almost 10
months to get back to nearly where I was a year ago, prior to the infection.
Steve, I am sorry to talk about what I did, when in effect Gwen did a lot
more for her dangerous diseases. But I wanted to point out that the way is
still unchartered and thanks to Dr. Beck ( who died in a fall several months
ago at ge 77) who led the way, as Gwen so bravely proved, and others like
Dr. Budwig, etc..
.
Thanks for sharing Gwen`s story with us, and we will all pray for her and
you. You did wonders by sticking byGwenr, and you can feel proud, as you
will note, once the grieving has passed somewhat. You are a brave person
too,Steve, and showed true friendship to Gwen. That will never change.
Ciao for now, and good Health to you and all, Mike Cinelli
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From: "steveonahill" <steve@...
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:03:14 -0000
Subject: [Beck-n-stuff] Triumph, Tragety and Gwen

Hello,
I've been reading your posts re wheat grass etc. You might want to take a
look at this wonderful healing and supportive supplement also:
http://www.synergy-co.com/puresynergy.html It's easy to mix and drink and has
an amazing synergy of vital, life filled ingredients. It was recommended to me
by Dr. Christianne Northrup. You'll see testimonials from a lot of people who
are well known in natural and spiritual healing. Louise Hay, Ram Dass, etc. I
attended a seminar given by Mitchell May (the creator of Pure Synergy) a few
years ago and he is an amazing healer. He has a great healing intention and
commitment to make every aspect of the production of this product the best
possible.
Lynda

I am still receiving in separate emails. I know I have to do this myself,
but don't know the correct link.
Thanks ANNE

Lorenzo:
How does one contact the HSI list?
Henry;
Here is the HSI page.
I raises some interesting questions.
It is a semi- commercial site so if you are afraid of a sales pitch
leave it alone.
Lorenzo

Hello Everyone,
Could someone explain what is cancer marker. It this a test done to measure
the cancer cells or something like that? Is there a site I could get more
information on this?
Thank you,
Diane

Hi Gerry, And we`re all the stroger for it! Welcome back, Mike Cinelli
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In a message dated 8/9/2002 2:44:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wilhelmh@... writes:
Wilhelm Thanks for your reply, that was very helpful and appreciated
Thanks,
Mike B.

Dear Duke
One of the advantages of livng on over 100 acres is to do you-know-what.
Those rays are wonderful. One other gift they bring is to keep melatonin and
serotonin working properly and hence are antidepressive and help balance many
mood disorders in addition to providing 'real' vitamin D.
These vessels really don't work properly without the right grease
job....... in addition to the right fuel.
mjh
In a message dated 8/9/02 5:08:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
DUKEOFCHURCHILL@... writes:

In a message dated 8/9/02 4:28:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wilhelmh@... writes:
Wilhelm and all
Sometimes we get so demanding and scared and mechanical about our bodies
that I think we forget that there are other dimensions to our beings and that
sometimes we need to reflect and get the messages that life is trying to
teach us.....
Good night, Mike, sweet dreams
mjh

I have read lots of post about sunshine lately. There seem to be many
benefits of it. It appears that God did know what He was doing when He put
Adam and Eve in the garden w/o clothes.
What I am curious about can anyone list all the health benefits of sunshine?
Does it help reduce cholesterol, chelate arteries, purge toxins?
Thanks,
Russell

GERRY, THAT was really a good answer on changing and doing the natural
methods, the f/o, or whatever you need to do. My cancer markers were up 2
months, ago, I doubled and tripled my oil to 8 tablspoon, and zapped, and did
several other things, and the cancer markers fell back down!! Even the
oncologist nurse was so... surprised that it happened, I guess normally it
doesn't. Am going to go to M.D. Anderson, the No, 1 cancer hospital this
Tues. since, they insisted I come on down and see them. They were my second
opinion Dec. of 1999, and have not been back since. They got my diagnostic
report of my drained tumor, the liquid, and called and wanted me to come in.
So, let's see what they have to say, since I am doing all the herbals and
f/o.
Cynthia

Hi Wilhelm,
This is good work. For those who want more info, all can be obtained from
the only two Dr Budwig books translated into English, namely, "Flaxoil, AS A
True Aid To Arthritis, Heart Infarction, Cancer, And Other Diseases", and,
"The Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook," readily available from barlean`s,
bookstores(interenet or staionary ones) and most good health Food Shops.
Also, some info is contained in the Drs. Willner and Roehm article/report
already posted many times on the Flaxseed Lists.
One thing that I have noticed is that many list contributors talk only about
Flaxseed Oil when expanding on increasing the use of the combination of
Flaxseed oil and Low fat Quark/CottageCheese/Yoghurt. For clarity sake, it
is well to mention, each and every time, the whole ratio needed with the
Flaxseed oil when using either [a] low fat quark, [b] low fat cottage
cheese, or [c] low fat yoghurt (organic being best, if possible on all three
dairy products). In other words, we must spell out the approximate ratio of
each very clearly, in simple words.
The reason I say this, is that we who use this protocol all the time,
sometime forget that "newbies" and the very ill don`t always "catch" this
ratio bit and when we say , "take an increase of 4 tblsp of the oil" we
sometimes forget to mention the proportional increase needed in the Dairy
product, too! This lack of Dairy Product increase would make a mighty
strong oil without the dairy products being increased in the correct
proportions![I am not nit picking, or being critical of anyone, myself
included, but we must all pay attention because sick people don`t always
read well, or have the patience to "digest" what we are saying...no pun
intended!
Some of what I am saying is illustrated in a few of the testimonials
posted, and also, in some of our postings. Again, if I`m wrong, I`m willing
to stand corrected, but I have noticed this a few times and wanted to call
it to everyone`s attention....The oil alone, is a much "different product"
from the Dr. Budwig combination of Flaxseed Oil and Low fat Quark, or low
fat Cottage Cheese, or low fat Yoghurt.
Thanks again, Wilhelm. You have done an outstanding job of outlining a clear
way to use the Flaxseed oil and low fat cottage cheese. You have stated the
basic amount well, and the ratios are clear for incrasing the amount of the
cottage cheese, and that`s what counts. When we increase the amount of
Flaxseed Oil, the increase in the dairy product of choice, we must also be
in direct or corresponding ratio to the basic formula amount.
My apologies for any errors, but it`s the middle of the night here and I
should be sleeping rather than writing!
Ciao for now and good health to all, Mike Cinelli
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Sender: wilhelmh@...
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 18:41:55 -0000
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: Digest Number 411

Thank you, mjh.
You know, just prior to your posting I posted to you which got lost
with a note "cannot retrieve message".
No big deal, it happens occasionally, except at that point your post
popped up.
Since then I was reluctant to re-send my post as it sounds too much
like responding in kind.
But it isn't that at all. So I will send it anyway.
It's about your line to Brenda:
"Our goal is wholeness as we are meant to be in this moment of our
lives."
It struck me as very appropriate and it sums it up nicely.
Wilhelm

yes

I unsubscribed to the flax list last night and resubscribed to it today,
how am I being received........ yes or no.
thanks
Gerry Logan

Hi mjh,
Correcto! Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli
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Wilhelm
This is the best synopsis of Johanna Budwig's protocol that I have read.
Thanks
mjh
In a message dated 8/9/02 2:43:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wilhelmh@... writes:

Mike
You forgot the most important part..... folks have to sing that wonderful
old tune:
"Let the Sun Shin In!"
mjh
In a message dated 8/9/02 3:01:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
milpara@... writes:

Hi Vince & Al,
This is most interesting, like all of your messages. I believe someone
already sent it to the Flaxseed oil Group but I am sending it again with
some Budwig wisdom. Thanks.
Sunshine, clean air, meaningful food intake, exercise, spirituality, and
closeness with Nature are some things Dr. Budig has been recommending for
years, especially after taking Flaxseedoil/Quark, together with Ground up
Flaxseeds. Of course, a lifestyle change would help many "stressed out"
people,too. Dr.Budwig`s comments on Solar radiation is outstanding for a
basic grasp on the impportance of the sun re: curing diseases...["Flaxoil,As
A True Aid To Arthritis,Heart Infarction, Cancer, And Other Diseases",by
Dr.Jonna Budwig]. I encourage everyone to read this book, available from
Barlean`s, Barnes & Noble, most Internet Booksellers, and some Health Food
Stores.
The part in the below article about less people in Florida having prostate
cancer than those in Maine is also interesting, as well as the colon cancer
figures, and this statement:
" In April, researchers at the cancer institute reported that the chances
of dying from breast, colon, ovarian and prostate cancer were reduced by
about 10 to 27 percent for people in the sunniest areas, compared with those
to the north, based on death certificates in 24 states."
Obviously, there must be other factors at work, but every schoolchild knows
that the Sun is the generator of life,and needed to sustain life, directly
or indirectly. Or am I wrong?
Thanks for this posting, and sorry if I am so late in acknowledging it. It
is important especially when there is so much hype against being in the sun.
Overexposure is not good but a little sunlight seems to go a long way. Ciao
for now, Good health to you and all, Mike Cinelli
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From: "VGammill" <ygammil1@...
Subject: [cancercured] Vit D and cancer

Hi Gerry,
It came through! Good news for all, Regards, Mike Cinelli
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Hi Cynthia,
It seems like you`re going in the right direction on all points. Keep it up
and the results will come. One is better than none, two is better than one,
and three is ,...you get the point,eh.Also, keep up your sense of humor. It
does wonders for all, yourself included. Good luck and good health to you
and all, Mike Cinelli
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Hi Alobar,
Good point. "Something which a lot of people do not think about is that
commercial flowers are sprayed heavily* with the pesticides & herbicides
which the government deems too nasty to spray on food crops." Spraying
fruits, plants and especially "cut flowers" with a simple 3% solution of
H2O2 [hydrogen peroxide] keeps flowers fresh and long lasting for up to two
weeks.
Also, don`t cut flowers give off Carbon Dioxide? ( a no-no in for hospital
patients, especially at night). And don`t "live" plants give off oxygen?
Will stand corrected if any of these points are wrong...Ciao for now & good
health to all, Mike Cinelli
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Thanks Lornzo.
I appreciate our comments. Ciao for now, Mike
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Hi Peter,
Well...
1. I certainly appreciate your candid statements and I usually don`t look
behind every tree for a conspiracy or two. Sometimes they just seem to jump
out. What I took exception to was some of the wording in your post:that is,
" ... I'm going to ask some nutrition gurus but I have to face that many of
them don't believe in Dr Budwig,-) s..." Your statement is not clear at
best, and it seems to convey the wrong message to people when they read your
post.
Example or case in point;... Clyde`s follow up comment: "Sorry to hear that
many nutrition gurus don't believe in Dr. Budwig's protocol..." Now you say
you didn`t say that, but.... Clyde is a very intelligent person and he seems
to have got this all wrong...
2. Then Clyde`s posts a statement which comes across as a "fact"[
erronoeous as it may be], which is a "conclusion" brought about your
intitial statement. that is, :" ... many of them don't believe in Dr
Budwig,-) s..." Perhaps I should have questioned you as such:" Who are
these" ...'nutrition gurus'...?". That is what I intended.
3. You are not the "authoritative source" I was seeking, mainly because you
stated an "opinion" of whom you were going to see and what you expect from
"...many gurus who don`t believe in Dr. Budwig`s..." These alleged gurus are
the authoritative sources I am seeking, but you do not mention them... If
you can give examples, of these "authoritative sources" or "many
nutritional gurus[who] don`t believe in Dr. Budwig`s [protocol]," it would
clarify the matter a bit.
4. Now Clyde states very clearly that he is ..."Sorry to hear that many
nutrition gurus don't believe in Dr. Budwig's protocol." He then
states,sideways, that he first heard about Dr. Budwig from a Naturopathic
doctor: "It was in consultation with a naturopathic doctor that we first
heard of Dr. Budwig's protocol."
The first part comes out as a "Fact" [erroneosIMO], and the Second part
comes out, too, as a "Fact"...[ doubly erroneous!]..."Nothing wrong here?"
...Nothing except that there is a strong link between the statements Clyde
made to your first "opinional comment" which is converted by him into to a
"fact"- when in effect it is only your "opinion" without any "authoritative
backup." IMO, I repeat, the first is an "erroneous conclusion/fact" and the
second does not necessarily follow what you have stated....no
sequence...therein lies the misinformation. It`s like a "double Whammy", or
"1-2 punch".
5. Perhaps there is nothing wrong with this whole bit except that some late
comer, or someone not following these thought processes/e-mail messages,
might think: " Oh! Many "nutrition gurus" don`t believe in Dr. Budwig`s
protocol." This now becomes a "fact" to them and is passed on innocently as
mis-dis-information.
Isn`t it strange that people are elated when they find news about Doctor
Budwig, her explanations and her protocol? They have a hard time finding out
about all this because of the " Info Blocade" on her. In fact, Peter, it may
interest you to know that I read a mention about Budwig`s protocol over four
yers ago, when I was searching to learn it, in order to pass on info to a
family friend with Stage IV breast cancer, and could not come up with it,
couldn`t find it, or didn`t know where to find it. ( This may be due to my
poor research skills and abilities or to a whatever, etc") The end result
was that our friend died when she may have been saved...and I discovered the
actual Dr. Budwig`s protocol much later...thanks a posting by Desan ( the
Dr. Willner article) and, also, to Cliff Beckwith....
6. You then add in this later e-mail-(not in the original one quoted below)-
the following:
"I put the topic at the newsgroup "sci.med.nutrition" and got sarcastic
comments."...
I ask you now, " What do you mean by sarcastic comments?" " About
what"...You continue..."I put it another time, asking to avoid philosophical
comments and concentrate on biochemical processes - no reaction then."
Q. So, is it appropriate, Peter, to use the word "many"? ...I think not....
7. Again, Peter, I ask "what do you mean?" ...Who are these many?...
8. I also got a chuckle out of your followig statement:
"Frankly, I'm a bit - well - surprised. Reminds me of McCarthy. I'm even
more surprised as I esteem your postings in general. Until now they didn't
deliver fanatism or mobbing but reasonable opinions." ....
If I remind you of the late "Senator Joe McCarthy" , insinuating that my
posts are tantamount to his attacks against "Communisms"..[.Wisconsin/USA
history of the 1950`s,] then what do you call the tactics used by the
"detractors" parroting the views of the Pharmaceuticaal/Chemical/Medico
Cartel which is trying to put a damper on all alternative medicine, Dr.
Budwig included? Are they Angels? Saviors? Or what? Wasn`t it McCarthy who
threw names around with impunity? Hmmmm...
No, Peter, I try not to act as a "McCarthy", nor do I look for a conspiracy
behind every tree, and if I offended you, my apologies. However, if the shoe
fits, wear it....But I believe we all must be very careful with words when
we write these e-mails, and,we should back up our opinions with facts, and,
state the "authoritative sources.... Or state explicity that this is only an
opinion, example "IMO". It becomes mis/dis/information when others build on
one`s ambiguous opinions, which may be viewed, by others, as "facts".
Peter, I am glad you will cotinue the Dr. Budwig protocol to the end of the
year,...and I hope beyond if it helps you. If it doesn`t, please let us know
how you fare with Chemotherapy, Radiation, Drugs, Surgery or whatever
choice(s) you make. Again, my apologies for offending your sensitivity
areas. What was said, had to be said,IMO!
Ciao for now, and the best of health to you and all, Mike Cinelli
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In a message dated 8/8/2002 10:59:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wilhelmh@... writes:
Thanks for your reply Wilhelm, Do you have the formula lying around, I
misplaced mine and would like to send it to this friend I met.
The amount of flax seed oil and cottage cheese...........
! table spoon per 100# body weight and 1/4 cup of low fat cottage cheese, I
thnk that is the way to mixe it, along with friuts if you want ?
Regards
Mike

In a message dated 8/8/2002 10:59:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wilhelmh@... writes:
Hello Jerry,
Barleans is where you can buy the fresh flax seed oil and the book
MIke

Hello Anne, Glogan and all the list:
You are right. I know some friends and family members who are suffering from
cancer, and when I want to share everything I have learned, they say: "yes,
thank you we are going to think about it" and unfortunatelly some of them are
not on this planet any more.
Gaby.
glogan <glogan@...
against a wall, we have all gone through the ritual of trying to help other
family members that have cancer with the knowledge that we have gained through
our own research, first of all the people that are looking after the diseased
victim are usually to damn lazy to do the things that we suggest, after all they
don't have the cancer, I tried to convince a family member to get her daughter
off of any sugars (candy, coke, etc.,) and to change her diet and add the right
supplements that would fight her cancer, I was told that she couldn't get her
daughter to do all that after all she is a teenager, well if she doesn't start
getting serious she will have a dead teenager, it's a whole lot easier to listen
to the doctor tell her about the advantages of surgery, radiation, and
chemotherapy in the meantime sit by and watch her daughters hair fall out, lose
weight from eating all the wrong type of foods, and refuse to feed her the foods
that are nourishing and immune system strengtheners. Then they tell you that the
girl was vomiting all week long and isn't sure what is causing it and if you
dare mention the invasive doses of radiation and chemo they ignore you, after
all the doctors know what their doing........ all you can do is keep telling
them what you believe in and let it go from there, even if the poor kid dies
your advice would be rejected.......
Best......... Gerry Logan

Well, my friend with the pancreatic cancer, supposedly they are giving her a
shot of chemo today. The doctors here would not give permission or referral
to another hospital , saying they could do the same chemo here, as in
somewhere else and thought she was too weak to move to Houston.
Of course, we have not heard anymore from them about taking anymore flaxseed
oil and all. I brought one container of yogurt with the f/o to the hospital,
and tried my best. She could even do the chemo and the f/o, but I am just
standing by quietly, and hate to say this, but she will be dying soon.
Since it is in her liver, her upper lungs and over her pancreas, the chemo
probably will not kill it, but kill her soon.
I tried, and of course, I didn't fail, they didn't believe, and what can I
can say? I knew they weren't going to go through with it, for her husband
wanted her to do it, but I knew it was up to his wife to eat the f/o and
yogurt. I couldn't force it , she knew I had been taking the oil for 1 3/4
year, so, I tried!!
If by a miracle, by the grace of God she lives, it will be a miracle, but 99%
of the people die with pancreatic cancer.
Cynthia

In a message dated 8/8/2002 2:05:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wilhelmh@... writes:
What Does it say, I have a friend that keeps having tumors npop up all over
his body, and whated to get the diet from dr. budwig's. Can you help him in
getting the data she said ?
Mike

Anne...... your beating your head against a wall, we have all gone through the
ritual of trying to help other family members that have cancer with the
knowledge that we have gained through our own research, first of all the people
that are looking after the diseased victim are usually to damn lazy to do the
things that we suggest, after all they don't have the cancer, I tried to
convince a family member to get her daughter off of any sugars (candy, coke,
etc.,) and to change her diet and add the right supplements that would fight her
cancer, I was told that she couldn't get her daughter to do all that after all
she is a teenager, well if she doesn't start getting serious she will have a
dead teenager, it's a whole lot easier to listen to the doctor tell her about
the advantages of surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy in the meantime sit by
and watch her daughters hair fall out, lose weight from eating all the wrong
type of foods, and refuse to feed her the foods that are nourishing and immune
system strengtheners. Then they tell you that the girl was vomiting all week
long and isn't sure what is causing it and if you dare mention the invasive
doses of radiation and chemo they ignore you, after all the doctors know what
their doing........ all you can do is keep telling them what you believe in and
let it go from there, even if the poor kid dies your advice would be
rejected.......
Best......... Gerry Logan

Please let him know where you got your info from.
www.stonemills.co.uk
regards ANNE DEVEREAUX
ps I just tried my first taste and its excellent.

That people who are desparately ill, say with cancer, just refuse to take in
a food (flax after all is a food) to help themselves.
I cannot believe how people have so much fear to try anything different, and
are so brainwashed by doctors.
My family are the same, when a relative comes over to see us, he always has
to mention his health problems, and says what can I do for this. We could
suggest soooooo many things, but we just make out we don't know, in the past
everything we suggest they just humour us.
They are soooooooo SQUARE ! We are well meaning but have had to learn
to keep our mouths shut.
We are enjoying a wonderful fresh scource of flax, and flax see oil, and are
so lucky for once to have the company in the UK.
REgards ANNE

Hi Hanneke,
all of Dr.Budwig's books were originally written in German.
Unfortunately, only two were translated into English.
I have only read the book 'Oil-Protein Diet' in English
and can therefore not make a direct comparison.
But I do think that it is 'reasonably accurate' (as you put) it in
it's translation.
In fact it seems pretty good to me.
Enjoy your English copy.
Wilhelm

Hi Wilhelm,
I've got a question with regards to Dr. Budwig's book. I am assuming that
the original was written in the German language, right? If so, I would
like to know if you feel that the English translation is reasonably
accurate. I've ordered a copy in the English language (had to order from
USA, is rather hard to get where I live). Trying to get a copy in German
here would be even more difficult.
Thanks
Hanneke
From: "wilhelmh2" <wilhelmh@...
Subject: Re: Pancreatic Cancer
Firstly, I think it is the publisher's note for the English
translation (not Dr.Budwig's writing).

In a message dated 8/8/02 6:09:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
vanadeux@... writes:
Either go to the group site and edit your membership or send a blank email to

Thanks ANNE

In a message dated 8/8/02 1:20:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lorenzo1@... writes:
What and where is the HSI list???
mjh

The HSI list is supporting Dr. Budwig and selling her book!

Once Cliff and I were discussing how the raw seeds swelled up when ground in
coffee grinders.
Cliff said after the seeds were ground they took up a lot more space; I said
they took up only a little more space. Then my coffee grinder failed and I
bought a new one.
Now I can say that the old grinder did not grind fine and that if ground a
little longer into something more like powder in the new one they swelled up a
lot.
So it depends on how long you grind them and the particular grinder.
Lorenzo
] Coffee grinder...???
I have used several different kitchen blenders for flax seed.
From the cheapest $20 specials at Walmart to my super heavy duty
VitaMix. They all work on dry seeds, and on seeds mixed with
liquids.
Alobar

Gerry
Maybe you need to ditch Outlook for a less troublesome email client......
my neighbor uses Eudora Lite.
mjh
In a message dated 8/7/02 10:08:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
glogan@... writes:

Hi Gang...... I do receive messages but nothing comes through to my Inbox on

Great Post!!
I think they are way off on the amount of vitamin D.
4,000 units or MORE will be necessary to battle diseases,
but you have to build tollerance carefully - no burning
allowed - and add omega 3s. 4,000 units should be around
4+ hours in the sun - less if more naked.
As people discover and uncover in the sun, diseases will
vanish.
You can bet the drug cartel will attempt to make a
drug approximating the sun but it will fail miserably -
and make us miserable. Nothing can match the Total
Spectrum if sunlight - which is NECESSARY for our
Survival.
Rick

In a message dated 8/7/02 9:33:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
spp@... writes:
HI Sandy: Wonder where you have been hiding. I've written to you, unless
the email got lost somewhere from here to there.
Yes, it's really hard to offer your help, suggestions for people look at you
like you are weird and all. I went to see Gary, the husband, this morning,
at the wholesale florist and he said they need to make up their mind what to
do. She also has blood clots and could die from that now, besides the cancer.
He wants to see if he could take her to a different hospital MD Anderson in
Houston, but she is so,.. weak, I don't know if she 'll make it. I asked him
if he had a chance to read cliff's testimonies, also about the pancreatic
cancer, and he hasn't. I know the whirlwind, the kaos, he is feeling. Some
many people are advising him. The doctor said that they could try a shot of
chemo, but in her weakened stage, it might kill her.
I think Ovarian cancer is harder to beat that uterine cancer, which is what I
had. There seems to be more reoccurences and a lot more deaths in Ovarian,
Yes, it's so sad when people don't listen. With that girl smoking and all,
the cancer cells will invade her lungs, where they are so... weak. I had a
guyfriend who died with the rectal cancer 3 months ago, he smoked, and of
course wouldn't listen to me either Another girl with mutiple myleoma passed
away 2 weeks ago, I tried to talk to her about the oil, she got a bottle, and
probably took a few teaspoon, and now she is dead also. I have to tell
myself, not to fret, not to mourn too much, for I don't want to make myself
sick for caring about these people, who didn't care enough to try something
that was so simple, so easy to maybe get rid of the cancer. You know what I
mean, we hurt inside for them, and we shouldn't take it to heart, for it
could hurt our health, stressing ourselves out. I hate to sound selfish, but
it does take a lot out of your system, worrying about these people who are
dying and who have died because they would not listen to us.
Yes, maybe 1 out of 10, might listen. It's been a long week, too much
caring, That girl, Debbie, who has pancreatic cancer, wasn't even that great
a friend to me, when you really get down to the nitty gritty. I was there
for her, and I'll be there again, if she needs me. I told her husband that I
have enough beta glucan and enough herbs to share, and the flaxseed oil, if
she wanted to go the alternative way, I think my reaching out was in vain!!
I am, like you, a stage IV survivor, and sometimes, just sometimes I feel
like it was a passing dream. I took my CA 125 cancer marker test today and
am getting ready for my trip to MD Anderson in Houston. Then Aug 28, I will
be flying to S..F. to visit with my dad and brothers for 6 days.
Hey, Sandy, it's okay, you know what I'm talking about, the reaching out and
getting slapped, and then the dying part, is what gets me.
We have something here that should stop this cancer from growing, but the
whold medical field would go to potts, if a 16.25 bottle of flaxseed oil and
cottage cheese could cure the cancer!!
Maybe I should wear rubber gloves while handling the flowers? Remember the
Erin Brokovich movie? All the people around had cancer.
Cynthia

Hi Cythia,
When I read your experience of folks' reactions when you're trying to 'help'
I found myself nodding in agreement with everything you said. People are so
strange sometimes! I've given up trying to figure them out!
As you know Cynthia, I was dx with Stage 1V Ovarian cancer and have always
felt that I had to do everything possible to stop my disease from
reoccurring. With Ovarian cancer, there is a high percentage that will
reoccur even when 'first line' treatment 'appears' to be successful, so one
has to research, listen and do whatever seems appropriate to beat the
sucker!
You said:
I agree with you. Case in point: I have a friend, who was recently
diagnosed with Stage 2 Breast cancer and she SMOKES! I tried to explain,
kindly, but in a very 'no-nonsense' way that she really should quit smoking
so that in a spiritual sense her body would know that she was in 'fighting
mode'. I stressed she should declare WAR on her cancer, to leave no stone
unturned, to do the flax-oil and cottage cheese, use a zapper and anything
else she deemed would help. Well Cynthia, you know, everything I suggested
to her, she had an excuse for not doing it, so I 'shrugged' (in my mind)
knowing that I'd done all I could do ... and left it at that!
I have a (personal) theory, having chatted to many newly diagnosed cancer
people, that very often, once a doctor has told his patient that he or she
is going to die (the, 'you have weeks or months to live' routine) ... Then
in most cases, that person is on the certain path to death! All because the
Dr has said that this is so! It takes a very strong person to say to his/her
Doctor, "I'm not going to die! And I'll prove it!" Doctors are not GOD, but
many (not all, thank goodness) slip into this roll all too easily. And
often, the patient falls into the subversive 'patient' roll too easily. and
that is because after a cancer diagnosis that person is terribly frightened
and feeling desperately hopeless. It's a horrible place to be. A place many
of us know too well.
I've talked to many people who have been diagnosed with cancer. Many of
those people have (sadly) left this earth and although I'd never say that
I'm doing everything right, (health-wise), I have made (what I believe to
be) positive changes in life-style including food,walking, zapping and of
course my daily FO/CC regime. Today, I feel better than I have in 20 years,
so I must be doing something right!
I live in a small town where everyone knows I had cancer (it was front page
news) and the very fact that I'm still on this earth over 3 years later,
makes me appear to be (in many eyes) an expert on staying alive! I know that
seems almost laughable, but just the word 'cancer' is (to most), a death
sentence.
Yes, Cynthia, because we are not Doctors, we appear to have less
credibility, so MOST folks don't listen to us so readily. We just don't
have the clout! Thankfully, for every 10 people we try to help, ONE may
listen, because that one person wants VERY DESPERATELY to live. And
ironically enough, it is that one person who will actually benefit from your
help and at the end of the day, THAT is all that matters, right?
You said:
I hope she realizes that you were offering a hand of friendship, that you
went out of your way to help (you didn't have to). The decision, in the end
is up to this lady, it is her life. You did what you HAD to DO, the rest is
up to her!!
Melanie said exactly what I'm saying to you, when she said:
Way to go for showing her the way! I know how odd you feel about doing
it, I've been there, done that, and most of the time, the people will not
listen to me, either. So I'll pray for her to listen to you. You OBVIOUSLY
know what you are talking about, since you've been there, done that! (AND IT
WORKED!)
Obviously we have all faced the same 'trying to help' situations time and
time again.
Sorry for going on about this so much, you hit a chord with me and had to
come out of lurkdom and say my piece. Although I don't post often, I do
read this digest every day and keep learning.
Take care ...
Sandy Lightfoot. B.C. Canada. Stage 1V Ovarian Cancer. 34 months remission.

Hope this isn't too long for the list, but it is just more information
that goes along with Dr. Budwig. Thought you'd be interested.
operacat

Quick Search:
Select: ANY Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs)
A. What are GMO's (definition)?
The acronym GMO stands for "genetically modified organism," and was
first used years ago to designate microorganisms that had had genes from other
species transferred into their genetic material by the then-new techniques of
"gene-splicing." Applied to crops, the term refers to any genetic plant type
that has had a gene or genes from a different species transferred into its
genetic material using accepted techniques of genetic engineering, and where
such introduced genes have been shown to produce a gene product (a protein).
This process of moving genes into new species and getting them to function is
known as transformation. In a real sense, all of the crop cultivars that we use
are "genetically modified," in that they were bred to be more productive, more
pest resistant, or produce better or different quality of product than did
previous cultivars. Such changes, which have been going on ever since crops were
domesticated, involve the addition of genes over time, but such additions are
with few exceptions from within the same species, or at least the same genus.
Such changes also include such things as mutations, even those induced on
purpose, as long as they were done within the genus.
Many would argue that the current use of the term "GMO" is much too
narrowly constructed, in that it refers more to the process by which genes are
introduced rather than to the product. For example, introduction of a truly
harmful gene (such as one for a human toxin) into a crop would not result in a
"GMO" provided the harmful gene had been found in that crop species. But when a
gene is discovered in a microorganism, in another plant species, or in an animal
and transferred into a crop plant, the resulting crop cultivar will be
designated a "GMO" no matter how benign the transferred gene turns out to be.
Some have taken to referring to "GM food" or "GM crops" or "Genetically
Enhanced" crops, but most of the world still knows such crops as GMO's.
There is often more than one gene that can be found to produce the
same effect in crops. Most transformations are made not using single genes, but
rather small groups of associated genes that are included to help identify and
control the action of the "target" gene. Such a group of genes is called an
"event," and while two events might both cause the plant to, for example, be
tolerant to the same herbicide, they may act somewhat differently in the plant.
For example, there are a number of Bt events that have been developed, and they
may result in formation of the Bt protein (insecticide) in different
concentrations, in different plant parts, or at different times during the life
of the plant. Different events for the same target gene thus represent some
"genetic diversity" for the trait, and this may be useful in making the trait
better adapted and less subject to development of resistance by pests.

Gerry,
I don't come on-line every day, but I'll be glad to forward to you all
the e-mail from the list. Just let me know.
operacat

I know that my "I've been cut off" message got through but when I download
my messages I receive nothing from this group, usually my own message that I
have sent out will even come back to me, but now nothing....... talk about