Flax Seeds

We use a $10.00 coffee grinder from KMart/WalMart. Easy to clean, done
in a few seconds of pulsing. Also use a Braun handlblender model 550ca.
mjh
In a message dated 8/6/02 1:38:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
milpara@... writes:

Mike
With the exception of the Echniacea/Goldenseal which should never be used
on a daily basis as a nutritive and the Creatine, this looks good to me. And,
it is similar with what my son ends up getting in the morning. Except we use
yoghurt instead of cottage cheese and do not use any sweetener, champagne
(would interfer with his medication), we use alfalfa and spirulina instead of
wheatgrass juice as I don't have a juicer and don't want to again start
growing wheatgrass and other grasses.
Mike, which group is this from?
mjh
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milpara@... writes:

Lorenzo: What are sections 106 and 106A?
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Author: Flax Your Way to Better Health
www.FlaxRD.com

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I have used several different kitchen blenders for flax seed.
From the cheapest $20 specials at Walmart to my super heavy duty
VitaMix. They all work on dry seeds, and on seeds mixed with
liquids.
Alobar

Hi Tom and all,
About 6 months ago I found a Braun Aromatic Coffee Grinder ( KSM) for about
$23. It really does the job well on grinding Flaxseeds into a fine powder in
a very short time ( I use it ony for 30 seconds or so). Otherwise I used to
use my hand coffee grinder. It also worked but took a lot of time to
dismantle and clean. Either will do. Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli
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Hi All,
This came from a cross newsgroup. Tracy has a big following and is one of
the originals when it comes to experimentation. He seems to get excellent
resuts at bettering the health of cancer patients, etc. when others can`t do
anymore. This Modified Budwig Formula is most interesting. What do you think?
All the best, Mike Cinelli
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Tracy's Modified Budwig formula:
1/2 cup pumpkin seeds (grind in coffee grinder)
1/2 cup organic flaxseeds (grind in coffee grinder)
1/2 cup cottage cheese, .4 percent dry curd.
4 tablespoons UDO oil.
1 dropperful Echinacea/Golden Seal extract (Teeter Creek brand)
1 dropperful habanera (Teeter Creek brand:200HU)
1 dropperful fresh juiced garlic.
4 tbs WaterOz Water Of Life.
4 tbs champagne.
2 to 3 tbs Canadian maple syrup (measure for taste)
1 tbs RiSoTriene (powdered rice bran solubles, Integris brand).
1 tbs Creatine.
2 or more ounces wheatgrass juice.
1/2 teaspoon turmeric.
2- 3 cups distilled water. (adjust for consistency and taste).
1 capsule 400IU Vitamin E. (taken separately)
Sometimes to change the taste, I will use Rice Dream rice milk with vanilla
instead of the distilled water and syrup. The syrup has 8 percent iron, and
among other things, the pumpkin seeds gets rid of tapeworms.
The above recipe has produced very good and surprising results in a very
short period of time.
First thing in the morning mix should be drunk slowly within a 15 minute
period after being mixed. You will most likely experience a bowel movement
soon afterwards and will fill quite full and satisfied until afternoon at
which time you can juice your favorite veggie juice. If you are overweight,
add lots of celery stalks to your juice.
Enjoy,
Tracy

Hi Anne,
welcome to the group.
FO/CC is flaxseed oil and cottage cheese (low-fat)well mixed so that
it forms a smooth cream.
The ratio is at least 1:2 (fo/cc) or higher in the cc component.
You came to the right place to learn about it.
You ask the questions and someone will try to answer them.
Wilhelm

Hi All
Coconut Oil where? Rebut which point?
Flax seed oil is NOT ESSENTIAL - OMEGA 3 IS!
Budwig was trying to say this (to those who bothered
to listen) in Flax Oil as a True Ais Against Arthritis,
Heart Infarction, Cancer and other Diseases (available
through Barleans). Fresh oil means the electrons
are photon laden ready to aid us - stale means it
can drain/negate the necessary photon laden electrons
and work against us.
It is the photon rich electrons in flax oil that
provides the boost to the immune system necessary to
overcome diseases. NOTE PHOTONS - available from the
sun - critical to life. We surely die without sunshine
but now man believes he is above Natures (Gods) Laws,
we have been told to avoid sunlight and are Totally
brainwashed into this belief.
For those who really want to know - check these for
yourself - i will provide More links to those who
seek the truth truth. The rest don't seem to care.
http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/FullSpectrum.html
http://www.sunstock.com/sunlight.html
Rick

Hi Alobar,
I think its important to go back to basics on the rancidity question. Rancid
Oil has a very noticable and distinct smell. Now if a person where in a
hurry and didn't check the oil before adding it to a salad - its possible to
accidently injest some rancid oil. But I know I always smell the oil before
using it. I can't not believe that there are any serious numbers of people
using rancid flax oil - the taste alone is enough to deter its use. This
seems to be more alarmist bologna used to get attention in the media. There
is no way I would take it serious.
Consumer Lab's is presently testing flax oils and will soon be publishing
its results. They are measuring Omega-3 content as well as quality. Should
be interesting to see what their test reveal.
Mike Martin
Flax Your Way To Better Health
WWW.FLAXRD.COM

Having for more than 14 years pain that can at times totally fill my mind
and reduce all activity. With pain meds can funtion. Your view with alarm
information has no reality in my life or the lives of others I am aware of.
Easy for one not in pain to talk. Your web site treats pain by healing the
cancer cause with their one treatment by two dotors looking for work on the
web. They may have a wonderful little known treatment, bless them if true.
Pain is pain from what ever cause so your quick path to the grave would
include them also. To base strong statements on one, two or few observations
is poor science. Every one does not become hopeless addicted.

Cliff, I don't know if you were referring to my post on cancer pain or
not, but my post was my story, and the actual article is in the link.
The problem with narcotic pain meds is that they negate any benefits offered
by say flaxoil, vitamin c etc. Since the pain is so severe (again it may not
even exist), and because it's the brain sending out these pain signals, the
brain's pysiology must be normalized before any benefit of
nutrition/alternative pain management can be realized.
The brain's function is altered similiar to a heroin addict, however the end
result is probably even worse than heroin because drugs like Oxycontin are
equivalent to high dose chemotherapy according to Dr. Hauser M.D., which
means the immune system, the basis by which many alternative therapies work,
is severely hampered.
In our current experience, we have seen firsthand the devestation
Oxycontin and Vicodin causes.
Once the patient is addicted (in my brother-in-law's case) , the only
thing that can be done is detox or CES, simply because the pain, real or
imagined, is increased exponentially in time with a corresponding increase
in dosage. I contacted two doctors experienced in cancer pain management.
Both have stated Oxycontin and it's cousins will never alleviate pain long
term, because the localized pain for which they are given, quickly spreads
to where the patient feels the entire region is in pain, and more severe.
It's a vicious cycle that has no happy ending. Like an illicit drug addict,
the patient, in his mind, is convinced the pain is real and craves more of
the precribed drugs.
My brother-in-law started on pain meds in 2000 for what was diagnosed as
prostatitis. Since it was actually untreated cancer, the pain increased, and
so did the drugs. So, he's been nearly two years on pain meds and abx, with
less than 1 year of any type of treatment for the cancer. One can see how it
snowballs.

Hi,
We definitely need to be careful concerning copyrights.
It is illegal to paste in parts of copyrighted material. I forgot and did
it once myself.
However, I would see nothing wrong with putting major points learned from
such material into our own words and posting it for the benefit of those
with cancer.
I would see that as things we need to know in addition to the use of Flax
Oil.
Yesterday another lady stopped for oil. She has a relative is seriously ill
and who has been given up and who has recently begun the use of FO/CC and is
already improving and feeling much better.
This is not completely relevant to the first part of this message except
that there are answers other than the narcotics and pain killers in a lot of
instances.
I have seen the use of FO/CC reduce pain considerably fairly soon. These
statements have no scientific backing as they are not experiments. They are
just things that have happened.
Cliff

Hi all,
Below I have pasted page 22-31 from the book'Take Control of Your Health and
Escape The Sickness Industry' by Elaine Hollingsworth (director of the
Hippocrates Health Centrer of Australia.
It is a long article, on page 22 only a little bit on coconut oil, page 23
nothing, but the pages 24 thru to page 31 are very much worthwhile.
Hanneke
Margarine, one of the worst offenders, must be avoided. During the many
chemical processes used to manufacture this product, hexane and carbon
tetrachloride are used as solvents, and traces remain. To achieve a butter-like
consistency, hydrogen gas is bubbled over a nickel catalyst, saturating the fat
and turning it into an artery-clogger. Amazingly, many doctors still recommend
this stuff for prevention of heart attacks!
These chemical insults create an odoriferous black goop, which must be
bleached and deodorized with even more chemicals. Then artificial flavours,
dyes and preservatives are added. The result is a plastic, chemical non-food
which your body does not know how to deal with or detoxify. You might just
as well inject plastic into your veins.
The cholesterol scare campaign gained currency for all the wrong reasons
shortly after World War II, and was picked up by the food manufacturers and
health professionals who didn't read the research, and blown into a dangerous
cult. Sure, some fats are deadly -- but they are the manufactured fats, such as
margarine, homogenised milk, soy oil, corn oil, etc. In short, all of the
heavily-promoted
oils are dangerous, and the fats and oils reviled by the huge
companies: coconut oil, palm kernel oil, butter and olive oil, are the good
fats.
But only if they are properly formulated, carefully stored and used in
moderation.
For decades, the multinationals who manufacture trans-fats and unsaturated oils
manipulated research, in order to promote the sale of their chemicalised,
oxidised products, which are unfit for consumption -- human or animal! In
doing so, they have taken attention away from the real culprits in the
hysterical
cholesterol/heart attack connection. These culprits, which are killing people in
alarming numbers, are sugar, junk food, heavy cereal consumption and the
wrong kinds of fats. 75% of our total cholesterol is made from eating these
plastic non-foods. In spite of all the glossy ads and the misinformation
campaigns which have led our health practitioners astray, cholesterol, unless it
is oxidised, is a valuable nutrient. We need it because it is the precursor of
progesterone, oestrogen, DHEA and other hormones, and our bodies cannot
manufacture these invaluable hormones without it.
According to Dr. John Lee, "This decades-long misinformation campaign has
been a contributing factor in the meteoric rise in the incidence of heart
disease
and cancer, and has helped bring billions of dollars in profits to companies
selling both cholesterol-lowering drugs and hydrogenated oils." Men who are
prescribed these drugs, usually without warning from their physicians, learn
the hard way that they can cause impotence. Men if you are unconvinced,
please see Hormonal Havoc to learn what these oils do to your prostate.
For those of you who need any more reasons to embrace a healthful diet,
consider this: if you eat and drink yourself into severe heart disease and your
physician warns that a bypass is your only option, you run the risk of brain
damage (42%), neurological complications, and suffering a stroke on the
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operating table.According to Dr. Julian Whitaker, of Whitaker Wellness Institute
Medical Clinic (drwhitaker.com), "There are several explanations for this. Ill
effects of anaesthesia may be a factor. Inflammatory chemicals that are released
in massive quantities during surgery likely have adverse effects as well.
However, the primary culprit appears to be the heart-lung machine .... which
may introduce air bubbles into the bloodstream that can interfere with blood
flow to the brain. Even worse, messing with the aorta loosens embolic matter
(small bits of plaque and blood clots), which can break off, travel up the
carotid
arteries in the neck, lodge in the blood vessels of the brain, and disrupt
oxygen
delivery."
Be wary of doctors and persuasive glossy advertisements pushing statin
(cholesterol lowering) drugs. They work by blocking an important enzyme the
body uses to make cholesterol, but the makers have evidently not considered
what other essential work that enzyme may be required to do. Or, perhaps with
an eye only on the bottom line, they simply do not care.
Then there are the well-documented side effects: intestinal disease, increased
risk of cancer, stroke, suicide and severe Alzheimer's Disease. Bayer had to
withdraw its statin drug, Baycol, from the US market, when it was found to be
responsible for 31 deaths from a muscle-destroying disease. Public Citizen, a
consumer watchdog, petitioned the US government to force drug companies to
warn Americans that they should quit the pills at the first sign of muscle pain
or weakness. How about warning them not to take these drugs at all? And,
where are the consumer watchdogs in Australia? Recently, one pharmaceutical
firm has patented the inclusion of CoQ10 in its newest statin. This happened
because they finally acknowledged that statin drugs reduce synthesis of this
nutrient, which is vital for heart health. This means, of course, that none of
the
other firms making statins will be able to add Q10 to their formulation. Dr.
Julian Whitaker believes this is grounds for a huge class-action suit by
patients
who have been damaged by statins without being warned to take supplemental
Q10.
Dr. Duane Graveline, on The People's Pharmacy radio show, told of bouts of
total amnesia he experienced while taking a statin drug. Pfizer, who make the
statin drug, Lipitor, deny that there have been any reports of memory loss. But
then, they would, wouldn't they? Lipitor brings them in more than US$ 5 billion
per year!
A large Hungarian study, reported in Dr. Peat's Newsletter, showed that using a
drug to lower cholesterol failed to protect the heart, and greatly increased the
cancer death rate. It is now widely recognised that the pattern of blood lipids
associated with lower incidence of heart disease (higher blood levels of the
high density lipids (HDL) and lower levels of the low density lipids (LDL) is
associated with a higher cancer risk. It seems that any intervention -- not just
excess vegetable oil -- which lowers the LDL cholesterol will increase the risk
of cancer." Wow. In other words, just the opposite of what the experts" say.
The lesson to be learned here is that all of us should consume as perfect a diet
as possible, shun drugs, and keep the sickness industry at bay. Don't let them
play Russian roulette with your heart and life!
Dr Peat quotes experiments that show even a "moderate" use of unsaturated oils
in the diet accelerates aging. And in one experiment it was found that mice fed
soy oil produced offspring with smaller brains and learning difficulties,
compared to the offspring of mice given coconut oil. Dr. Peat says, "The brain
seems to be especially sensitive to the toxic effects of vegetable oils."
Needless
to say, women should shun unsaturated oils, especially during pregnancy, in
order to protect their babies.
Mother's milk is rich in cholesterol, and nature didn't put it there because it
is
bad for infants. It is there to ensure proper development of the nervous system
and brain. Whenever women tell me proudly that they have their babies and
older children on margarine and lowfat milk I am horrified. These children will
never realise their full potential -- they are being starved of the kind of fats
the
brain needs. Denying babies and children the right kinds of fat is child abuse,
and any physician or so-called health professional who advises this starvation
diet should be ashamed.
And, while I'm railing against the medical profession, they have either
forgotten
or never learned that a major cause of extremely high cholesterol is low thyroid
function. Often, just bringing the thyroid up to normal (see How To Build
Bone), will bring cholesterol into a normal range.
Flax oil has been heavily promoted for several years as "essential" for health,
and
many people force themselves to take a tablespoon each day, even though they
don't like the taste. This is misguided, according to Dr. Peat, who considers it
"the most carcinogenic of oils"! The excellent alternative medical journal,
Proof (See Resources), did exhaustive tests on all brands of flax (linseed oil)
sold in London. They found many to be rancid, which is dangerous because
rancidity promotes cancer. A few were not rancid, but it is unknown how
quickly rancidity develops once the bottles are opened, even when stored in
the refrigerator. Flax, or linseed oil, is highly unstable and rancidity is
dangerous. No oil is worth taking such a chance.
Canola oil, possibly the most dangerous of all oils, is another one to be
avoided.
This is easier said than done, as it is ubiquitous. The only way to keep it out
of
your diet is by shunning all baked goods and making your own. It, as well as
any number of other artery-clogging, cancer-causing oils, is in virtually all
baked
goods.
Because canola oil (formerly called rapeseed oil and changed for obvious
reasons) is the cheapest cooking oil on the market, it is widely used in fast
food
preparation. The plant this oil is made from is listed in the Encyclopedia
Britanica as a poison, with toxic effects on cattle who eat it. It gives them
anaemia, respiratory distress, emphysema and blindness. Humans who eat it
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fare no better. According to John Thomas, author of Young Again: How to
Reverse the Aging Process, ingesting canola oil leads to serious eye disorders,
such as glaucoma and retinitis. He says that the body digests canola oil in a
way
that congests the blood and restricts the flow of lymph fluid, which can cause
many psychological and physical disorders. So, to protect your health, and that
of your family, stay away from fast food and all processed food that contains
this
oil, as well as other health-destroying oils. Remember, when you are tempted
by a quick snack: FAST FOOD EQUALS FAST DEATH!
In their 24 June 1999, issue, The New England Journal of Medicine
reported that trans-fats increase the risk of heart disease by damaging
arteries.
Dr. Raymond Peat agrees that these oils damage the heart, and adds, "It is now
known that polyunsaturated fats interfere with thyroid hormone in just about
every conceivable way." Healthy functioning of the thyroid gland is essential
for
bone health. Dr. Peat also wrote, "The easily oxidised short-and medium-chain
saturated fatty acids of coconut oil provide a source of energy that protects
our
tissues against the toxic inhibitory effects of the unsaturated fatty acids and
reduces their anti-thyroid effects."
For the sake of your health, ignore the "experts" who jumped on the
bandwagon, and search out the alternative health professionals who know the
truth behind one of the most cynical and dangerous publicity campaigns ever
mounted. Dr. William Campbell Douglass is one. Dr. Douglass has graciously
permitted me to reprint the following from his excellent newsletter, Second
Opinion (see Resources)
"Coconut oil is the best example of an innocent saturated oil getting the
reputation of clogger of arteries because of a misinterpretation of the
research.
The wrong interpretation was then repeated until it became 'a known fact that
the food manufacturers were killing us by using large amounts of coconut oil.
Now there are a lot of things wrong with the food industry, and they do use a
lot of unhealthy oils in their foods, but coconut oil isn't one of them. In
fact,
the seed-oil cartel has managed, by what nefarious method I don't know, to
almost eliminate coconut oil from the diet of the American people.
"Twenty-five years ago, I was taken in by the seed-oil company propaganda
against coconut oil, just like everybody else. It was easy to fool us: coconut
oil
is a saturated fat; 'saturated fat is bad.' And there's the economic factor;
that's
the one that really counts. Coconut oil is relatively expensive. Soy bean,
peanut and corn oils are not. But these cheap oils that are used in processed
foods today are very unstable. They can become rancid in just a few hours,
even in the refrigerator. So the answer to that problem, you may have already
guessed, is the addition of a lot of preservatives.
"Coconut oil, for reasons not completely understood, does not become rancid,
even though it contains a small amount of unsaturated oils. Coconut oil has
been left at room temperature for a year without developing any rancidity. The
five percent of unsaturated oils in coconut oil should turn rancid, but they
don't. It is theorised that the saturated oil in coconut oil has an
antioxidative
effect and thus prevents the oxidation of the unsaturates present in the oil.
"Unsaturated oils cause cancer; the research is there to confirm it, but few
people have seen it. The essential fatty acid, linoleic acid, when fed to
experimental animals, gives them heart disease. But if you give the animals
saturated fat, in the form of animal fat or coconut oil, they will be protected
from the harmful effects of the essential unsaturated linoleic acid. This is
clearly understood in the organ transplant field. Emulsions of unsaturated oils
are used specifically for their immuno-suppressive effects. Is that what you
want on your salad - oils, such as canola and soy bean, that suppress your
immune system? Or would you prefer an oil, like coconut oil, that protects you
against the ravages of immune suppression?
"Fifty years ago, farmers attempted to fatten their livestock by using coconut
oil,
which was a lot cheaper than grains. They reasoned that fat (any fat) would
make the animals fat, a simple and self-evident postulate. But they were wrong.
What they got instead was lean and perky, rather than fat and indolent.
Granted, the cows were hungry all the time, and ate a lot, but they didn't get
fat.
"So, back to the drawing board. They next tried drugs that would suppress the
function of the thyroid. It worked; the animals got fat on less food. But the
compounds were found to be carcinogenic and it was feared that the meat
would in turn give cancer to the consumers. So they decided to try various
cheap beans, such as soy, and cheap vegetables, such as corn.
"Both soy beans and corn worked. And here is the point of all this animal
husbandry: the soy beans and corn suppressed the thyroid gland, just like the
drugs, and the animals got fat without consuming a lot of food. So do you
wonder why it's hard to lose weight on these oil-based vegetarian diets? You
don't lose weight if your thyroid gland is suppressed, you gain it. What the
farmers already knew was later 'proven' with animal studies. The animals fed
unsaturated vegetable oils, such as soy and corn, were fat; the animals fed
coconut oils were lean. The total amount of fat eaten was not the controlling
factor. The higher the ratio of unsaturated oil to coconut oil, the fatter the
animal, no matter what the quantity of oil ingested.
"And there are other reasons not to use the unsaturated oils. The seed oils
block
proteolytic enzymes, which is probably why they block the production of
thyroid hormone. But they also block digestive enzymes and affect the clotting
mechanism.
"Even worse is the effect of the unsaturated oils on the brain. Soy oils are
incorporated directly into the brain, making the brain structurally abnormal.
Children fed exclusively on unsaturated oils are not going to develop normally
unless they get the protective effect of coconut oil.
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"As expected, the drug companies have fractionated coconut oil to obtain
patentable products, such as butyric acid, because it's well known that coconut
oil contains many important nutrients. But you dont need purified products;
you just need coconut oil. The natural coconut oil acts as an antihistamine, an
anti-diabetic, an anti-cancer agent, and an anti-infective. (End of Dr.
Douglass
article.)
The Journal of the American Medical Association agrees with Dr Douglass:
"Coconut oil may be one of the most useful oils to prevent heart disease
because of its antiviral and antimicrobial characteristics. (JAMA 1967 202:1119-
1123; Am J Clin Nutr 1981 34:1552)
"In Framingham, Massachusetts, the more saturated fat one ate, the more
cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower people's serum
cholesterol...we found that the people who ate the most saturated fat weighed
the least and were the most physically active." (William Castelli, Director, The
Framingham Study)
"The diet-heart hypothesis had been repeatedly shown to be wrong, and yet, for
complicated reasons of pride, profit and prejudice, the hypothesis continues to
be exploited by scientists, fundraising enterprises, food companies and even
governmental agencies. The public is being deceived by the greatest health
scam of the century." (George Mann, M.D., renowned researcher.)
"An analysis of cholesterol values in 1,700 patients with atherosclerotic
disease
revealed no definite correlation between serum cholesterol levels and the
nature and extent of atherosclerotic disease." (Michael DeBakey, M.D., famous
heart surgeon.)
The pioneering magazine, Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients,
states: "Coconut oil is particularly useful as it has an essential saturated
fat,
lauric acid. Trans-fat is the fat that should be absolutely avoided at all
times.
Read labels. Any time you see partially hydrogenized fat, that means trans-fat.
Avoid it... Organic, unrefined coconut oil is safe. However, most other coconut
oil products are hydrogenated. Coconut oil has been subjected to a smear
campaign by commercial vegetable oil producers, but the research studies cited
have used hydrogenated coconut oil, which has skewed the results."
Dr. Raymond Peat has this advice for women: he suggests avoiding skin creams
containing polyunsaturated botanical oils because they promote aging of the
skin by intensifying the effects of the sun's ultraviolet rays. He recommends
coconut oil as the best for skin care, and so do I. It's the only cleanser or
moisturiser I use, and I always give it to my massage therapist, because I don't
want any dangerous oils absorbed through my skin.
Regarding the dangerous rancidity in most oils, Dr. Peat said, in one of his
excellent newsletters, The fact that saturated fats are dominant in tropical
plants and in warmblooded animals relates to the stability of these oils at high
temperatures. Coconut oil which had been stored at room temperature for a
year was found to have no measurable rancidity. Since growing coconuts often
experience temperatures around 100 degrees Fahrenheit, ordinary room
temperature isnt an oxidative challenge. Fish oil or safflower oil, though,
cant
be stored long at room temperature, and at 98 degrees F the spontaneous
oxidation is very fast.
Hippocrates Health Centre's interest in coconut oil started when we read the
following story in Health and Healing Wisdom, the Journal of the Price-Pottenger
Nutrition Foundation (See Resources):
"When an AIDS sufferer found that his viral load had reached almost
700,000, he decided that the best use of his money and remaining
time on Earth was a relaxing vacation. He chucked all the vitamins
and drugs he was using - including Naltrexone - packed his bags and
headed for an Indian village in Surinam. There he dined on fresh
coconut meat every day. Within two days his peripheral neuropathy
was gone and within two weeks, he was running through the
jungle. Back home, and continuing to consume at least one-half of
a coconut per day, his lab tests showed that the viral load had
dropped to just over 300,000. Within another month the viral load
had dropped to non-detectable levels and he had gained 32 pounds."
This little paragraph came like a bolt from the blue. Knowing the integrity of
this non-profit foundation I decided to research coconut, starting by turning
myself into a guinea pig. (Not for the first time!) Within minutes, I was on the
way to our local supermarket.
A coconut novice, I didn't have the sense to ask the produce man to saw the
coconuts in half and empty the liquid into a jar. (Some will cooperate, some
won't, I discovered.) Fired with enthusiasm, I rushed home, not giving a second
thought to the task ahead: opening two incredibly hard spheres.
After trial and error I discovered the way to proceed, and these are my
recommendations: First, when choosing your coconuts, shake them to make
sure there is plenty of liquid inside. If not, they are old and probably
spoiled.
Be sure to keep your sales slip because sometimes even those with liquid are
found to be spoiled, and the market will return your money.
If your produce man is uncooperative, you will have to fend for yourself, this
way: Take the nuts outside, along with a hammer, screwdriver and a jar. Prop
the coconut between your knees, place the screwdriver on one of the eyes, and
hammer it into the eye, until it slips in easily. Then do the same with the
other
two eyes, being careful not to spill the liquid. Up-end the nut and pour the
liquid into the jar. Taste it. If it's sweet, you have a good nut. If it smells
or tastes
sour or offensive, you have an old nut. If its good, drink the liquid while
it's
fresh. Next, cover the nut with an old towel or a plastic bag and hit it, hard,
with the hammer until it breaks into pieces.
Then you will have to remove the meat from the husk, which is easier said than
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done. But persevere, it will come out. Don't be concerned by the thin, brown
coating on the outside of the meat. There is nothing wrong with it. And, please,
don't attempt to chew the meat -- you run the risk of cracking a tooth that way.
Once you have the meat separated from the husk, the best approach is to shred
it. I use a Champion Juicer, with the "blank" on. This shreds beautifully. If
you
use a different shredder, make sure it doesn't heat up, and don't under any
circumstances use aluminium: it is toxic and will contaminate the coconut. I
then put my coconut in a food drier, although it isn't necessary. Undried, it
will
keep well in the fridge. It tastes better, and is slightly crunchy, dried, and
appears to keep better. But remember, if you opt for drying, be sure the drier
doesn't have aluminium trays, and keep it at a low temperature so the nutrients
aren't destroyed. (40° Celsius or under/104° Fahrenheit or under.) See
Resources for a great coconut scraper we have discovered.
For those of you who do not have a shredder or a drier, or the time necessary
to go through this exercise, there is another way: pure, unadulterated, coconut
oil. More about that below.
At the health centre we stick to the Hippocrates Programme, which has been
incredibly successful since it was established by Ann Wigmore in 1960. We do
not experiment on anyone. This does not deter me from meddling, however,
in my private life, and I started recommending the coconut I had prepared to
acquaintances who had symptoms of viruses. For all, their symptoms vanished.
Because of this, I keep a supply of dried coconut in the freezer, and take it in
small amounts as a prophylactic. It tastes delicious, and who knows when I
might overwork, get run down, and encounter an opportunistic virus? Or a
microbe, or a cancer cell or a protozoa? Those meanies are everywhere, more
than ever with jet travel commonplace, and it is wise not to issue any
invitations
to the dirty, rotten scoundrels.
Every illness is different, as is every case. Fortunately, experimentation is
not
dangerous, and you will have to figure out for yourself how much you need, and
how often. If you have obvious symptoms, it will be easy to judge. If not I
suggest small amounts, three or four times daily. Proceed slowly, bearing in
mind that coconut is rich, and too much can be hard on susceptible digestive
systems, and the liver.
After proving to my satisfaction the benefits of coconut, I wanted to know
WHY. So, I rang the Price-Pottenger Foundation and talked to the dedicated,
helpful editor, Pat Connolly. She suggested that I read a back issue of their
journal, which contained an article by Mary Enig, PhD., an expert of
international renown in the field of lipid chemistry. Dr. Enig, who has
impeccable credentials, is able to practice pure science, as her research is not
brought and paid for by the food conglomerates.
Dr. Enig has done an enormous amount of research on coconut oil. She has
found the oil to be not only antiviral, but anti-microbial, anti-protozoal and
anti-
carcinogenic. This is extraordinary information, and Dr. Enig quotes other
research studies made by many other prestigious scientists. She cited studies
which found the lauric acid in pure coconut has adverse effects on various
microorganisms, such as bacteria, yeast, fungi and enveloped viruses. She
states that it was found that lauric acid causes the disintegration of the virus
envelope!
"Some of the viruses inactivated by the lipids in lauric acid are measles virus,
herpes simplex, vesicular stomatitis virus, visna virus and cytomegalovirus."
There are also several studies described in this article which found that
dietary
coconut oil, as widely used in island communities, does not cause high
cholesterol levels. Breast milk contains lauric acid for the protection of
babies,
indicating that nature considers this an important nutrient.
Those of you who remain phobic about cholesterol, even after the evidence I've
compiled, must now be trying to decide which is worse -- eating an oil which
is not recommended by the multinational food industry and by ill-informed
health professionals, or the virus or bacteria you are trying to banish.
For additional information on oil I recommend Dr. Peat's books and newsletters,
and the recent work of Mary Enig, PhD, and her co-writer, Sally Fallon. (See
Resources.)
When you consider what food processors do to coconuts before they reach the
stores, it's small wonder that commercial coconut oils, grated coconut and
other end products are toxic. They burn the coconut, dry it at extremely high
temperatures, store it in dirty sacks, then bleach and deodorise it, because the
manufacturing processes make it look and smell disgusting. And, in the case of
oil, after all the above insults, they homogenise and hydrogenate it. They call
it RBD Oil (refined, bleached, deodorised) and it's a disaster -- everything
decent
has been killed.
Until recently, we have been unable to find a good coconut oil. They all smelled
of chemicals, and now I know why. Finally, after months of phone calls to
several countries, I was able to locate a superb oil, which is now available in
Australia. It is made, using very old and safe methods, by native South Pacific
communities. Nothing is done which can hurt the oil, and the presses are
washed only with hot water, never the benzene or other poisons most oil
producers use. These poisons, of course, end up in small amounts in most of
the conventionally-processed oils. Manufacturers stress the minute amounts,
ignoring the cumulative effects of years of poisons our bodies are expected to
detoxify.
Dr. Peat has this to say about coconut oil: This oil contains immunity-boosting
lauric acid, also found in mother's milk. For these reasons, its regular use
offers
protection against disease and premature aging." Dr. Peat recommends taking
about an ounce each day, as salad dressing. This oil does not go rancid, as all
other oils do, and it is one of the few oils which are safe for cooking.
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Hippocrates Health Centre recommends using pure coconut oil as a skin
cleanser and lubricant, as it is one of the few uncontaminated oils in the
world.
Dr. John R. Lee concurs. He says, "An added bonus is that by increasing the
metabolic rate via the thyroid, coconut oil, in spite of being a fat, has been
known to bring about an amazing loss of excess weight. Farmers, in fact, who
thought it would be an inexpensive way to fatten their animals, found it had
just
the opposite effect!"
Addressing the irrational fears most people have regarding this oil and heart
attacks, Dr. Lee also states," "Equatorial people, whose main source of fat is
unrefined coconut oil, tend to be very free of heart disease."
So, what oils and fats can you eat and maintain your health? Hippocrates Health
Centres do not use any oils, because they have no place in a healing centre,
where the students need to detoxify. Avocado is used at the centre, and is an
ideal vegetable fat. (It contains no cholesterol, for those who are still afraid
of
this much-maligned substance.) It is delicious cut up in salads, and we have
many recipes for sauces made with avocado and other ingredients to make a
tasty salad dressing.
Once Hippocrates graduates go home, however, they want to know if they can
use any oils and fats in a "transition diet and still stay well. To these
people we
recommend the following:
Coconut Oil:
Dr. Peat recommends one ounce (30ml) per day be taken to maintain
health. Do not purchase commercial coconut products because of the
processing. As mentioned earlier, many equatorial cultures use unrefined
coconut oil, and use it in large quantities. Studies have found them to have
low cholesterol levels. (See Resources)
Butter:
This fat, recommended by all the oil experts I trust, contains the valuable
A and D vitamins, which are vital for the proper absorption of calcium, and
efficient functioning of the thyroid gland. The fatty acids in butter are
valuable to the immune system, and the lipids in butter protect
gastrointestinal health. These fatty acids are burned for quick energy, rather
than stored as fat. According to the American health journal, Health
Freedom News, "The notion that butter causes weight gain is a sad
misconception." But this does not confer open slather -- moderation is
essential. Tragically, "they" have ruined this nourishing food by taking the
cattle out of grassy pastures where, in the "good old days", they were free
to absorb the life-giving nutrients nature provided. They are now fed the
cheapest, most unhealthful grains, dosed with drugs, and treated
inhumanely. If you can locate a dairy that allows their cows to live
according to the laws of nature, their butter will be high in life-giving
omega-3 fats and will nourish your family.

Dear Hanneke:
Is this book copyrighted? If so, did you receive permission to paste these
pages from the author? If not, you may want to consider being more careful.
In the US, it is illegal.
Jane Reinhardt-Martin, RD, LD
Author: Flax Your Way to Better Health
www.FlaxRD.com

Hi Lorenzo,
1.You are absolutely correct. The high fat problem began when the
hydrogenation process was developed in the very early 1900`s. Plus people
were more active when wanting to move about, therefore using up calories
galore.[ by horse back, horse and buggy, bicycle, walking, etc,]. Today we
are depemdent on the automobile, which has become a boon or a bane,
according we use it. or how we move about or exercise. A lot of fat was
consumed back then but it was "worked off". People in remote places on Earth
still do this. Sometimes turning back the clock is where the real progress
is!
2. As far as eating meat goes, IMO as a former meat eater, it seems far
better to eat free range meat than the antibiotic/toxin/soy/artificail
hormone infested meat from penned up animals, as found in many supermarkets
and elsewhere. Nature knows how to take care of problems, and we are only a
part of Nature, and most of the cause of our own problems by trying to
improve/market/change what should come naturally or from natural sources.
3.McDonald`s will not tell it how it is. They will probably try to present
things in "politically correct language" including "legalese." After all,
their purpose is to sell hamburgers, and you can`t fault them for that. They
should just be more honest, like by not telling vegetarians that their
french fries are 'vegetarian ' when they have been putting beef flavoring in
them all along. This time it only cosy them 45 million US Dollars to settle
a class action lawsuit. What will it be on the next trick?
4. Do not omit the hydrogenated oil factor on this one, plus the fact that
some companies are trying to sell recycled (used) cooking oils back to the
original users! This means, using "hydrogenating the hydrogenated oils"!
[On the Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratio issue, since there is an overabundance of
Omega 6 in our processed foods today, the 1:1 ratio seems like a good
possible equalizer to me. (No scientific fact, just an opinion). The Dr.
Budwig protocol of Flaxseed oil & Cottage Cheese is one of the best sources
for Omega 3 to enter our system and do good for our health.]
5. Palm oil and coconut oil are two of the healthiest oils in existence. Any
Internet check will provide the answers, once past the hype for unhealthy
oils ( Canola, soy etc.). It`s up to each of us to determine our own way.
6. Your statement: "May I suggest the .we look more carefully at fats; and
delineate the good from the bad and nevermore lump them together." ...I, for
one, fully agree with your statement. After all, it`s the bad [saturated]
fats which are causing most of the diseases we have today, especially in
children and the elderly. Thank God for Dr. Budwig....
Thanks for this valuable posting, All the best to all for a healthier
life,and, Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli
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A warning to cancer patients:
http://www.iptcancer.com/cancer_pain_treatments.htm
We have witnessed the steps cited in the article above almost verbatim.
Even though the tumors are literally disintegrating, the Oxycontin dosage
was recently raised significantly.
Taking potent narcotics such as oxycontin, vicadin, morphine etc. may help
at first with localized pain, eventually they will actually create
non-existent pain, make existing pain worse and the patient becomes
addicted, even when the tumors may have significantly shrunk. Of course,
they think they are in control, but in reality they don't know they are
hopelessly addicted. Worse, increased dosage is recommended by nearly all
healthcare practitioners which gives the patient more reasons to dig the
hole deeper. I know someone with some type of stomach pain after surgery,
then became addicted to these drugs. Even though he was completely healed,
he still had severe pain. He went to Mayo and the doctors there were furious
he was allowed to take so much pain medication. He went through detox, and
shortly thereafter the pain disappeared.
These drugs also suppress the immune system and blood counts, which
we have seen happen. Another side effect is dimentia, no doubt about that.
There are many side effects.
Before cancer patients begin taking pain drugs, it may be worth looking
for alternatives. If one is on these drugs, they may benefit from a CES
device (cranial electro stimulation) which is known to be effective for drug
addiction, however our family member is not interested. He actually believes
he has it under complete control.....he does not. Consider going through
some type of detox program. Some are much better than others.
It has been over 1 year since his diagnosis for stage IV colorectal
adenocarcinoma, and not ONE gloom-and-doom prediction from the "experts" has
come to pass. He has far outlived their dire predictions. We know he's had
this condition long before August 2001 because he was misdiagnosed early
2001. On no less than three separate occasions, they said he wouldn't last
one month unless he agreed to radical surgery, chemo and radiation. What
complete and utter nonsense. He would have surely died had he agreed to
their wiles. They had already scheduled hospice before the end of last year!
Here it is August, and he's still alive, is not bedridden, and for the most
part has had a good quality of life. Cancer statistics for this type of
cancer suggests he shouldn't have lived more than a few months, especially
since he refused all conventional treatments.
What is sad about this whole scenario is he may not die from cancer, but
rather pain killers!

Hi All.....
As if the fact that high fat content weren't enough - just think, its all cooked
in high Omega-6 saturated oil, so you get kind of a double wammy. Probably a
worse killer then a pack of cigarettes.
Mike Martin
Flax Your Way To Better Health
WWW.FLAXRD.COM

Marilyn,
This is one more post about your comments on coconut oil.
Mike and Lorenzo are making good points in this regard.
However, I would like to add one more thing.
Dr.Budwig recommends coconut oil as part of her daily Diet.
Remember, she is an expert on fats. She recommends to mix it with
FSO to make a mixture called Oleolux. I believe you have the recipe
for it. Coconut oil is the only fat, besides FSO, which she uses in
freely in her daily diet. There are some other oils which she uses a
bit of occasionally.
Wilhelm

oil or coconut oil under any circumstances. I cook with grapeseed
oil. We do drink green tea on a regular basis and Eagle has
decaffeinated coffee. Our only dairy product is the no fat cottage
cheese used in the FO/CC protocol. We eat fish on a regular basis as
well as vegan products along with our fresh vegetables and fruits.

Hi All,
This article is from the Netscape Home page referenced below. It has to do
with what Dr. Budwig warned us against, [..."saturated"Fat/Hydrogenated
oils???...]. Wouldn`t it seem that it`s directly proportionate to our
children`s overweight/obesity problems? Are the Pizza Places, including
School Lunch Programs, the next stop?
Ciao for now. Thanks and best, with good health to all, Mike Cinelli
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McDonald's Doesn't Want You To Know...
...the fat content of its Big Mac. Same goes for Burger King and its
Whopper. Mind you, they aren't keeping the information secret, but they
aren't making it particularly easy for you to get it. Why? When you find out
a Big Mac has 520 calories and 34 grams of fat, which is 53 percent of your
daily allocation for fat and all you've done is eat one sandwich, it might
just scare you away.
The simple truth is we Americans love our Big Macs and Whoppers. We eat 'em
up. And we're getting fatter and fatter. Any correlation?
At least one person thinks so. Caesar Barber, a 56-year-old man who is 5'
10" tall and weighs 272 pounds, has sued McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King,
and Kentucky Fried Chicken, blaming them for making him fat and suffering
two heart attacks, as well as diabetes, high blood pressure, and high
cholesterol. He told Newsday, "They said '100 percent beef.' I thought that
meant it was good for you. I thought the food was OK." Sure, the lawsuit
seems frivolous, and it's made a lot of folks laugh, but one of Barber's
demands is to have the fast food chains label individual products with fat,
salt, and cholesterol content AND warn consumers of their negative health
effects.
To find out the nutrient content of the food McDonald's serves, you have to
go to its Web site. Then you have to click "Search." Then you have to type
in "fat content" and wade through a listing of titles until you find the
"Nutrient Breakdown Card." Then you click on that and read text that doesn't
tell you what you want to know. At the bottom of that text, you have to
click to download a PDF file that actually contains the nutrition
information. Then you have to open up the file in Adobe Acrobat, and since
the type is too small to read on even a 19" monitor, you have to print it
out--and then go find a magnifying glass so you can actually read it.
You can also go into your local McDonald's restaurant and pick up a
nutrition content brochure. Just don't count on the fact that this will
actually be available. Reuters' reporters visited a McDonald's in midtown
Manhattan. No brochures were available--even upon request. Meanwhile, Burger
King maintains that listing all the nutritional information on napkins or
food packaging just isn't possible since there are more than 1,500 ways to
order a Whopper.
Or, you can go to McDonald's national competitor Subway or the very popular
Manhattan chain Ranch 1 and read the fat and calorie information of their
menu items while you eat. It's printed on the napkins. Obviously, Subway and
Ranch 1 serve healthier food, and they want you to know that their
sandwiches contain a fraction of the calories and fat of their big rivals.
Some see this as nothing more than a cheap marketing ploy, but will
McDonald's and Burger King rue the day?
"We try to position ourselves as a healthier alternative to fast food
restaurants. I thought that napkins were the best way to get the message
out," Ranch 1 marketing director Izabela Halifax told Reuters.
McDonald's and Burger King may be forced to play this game soon. And that
hard-to-find and harder-to-read PDF file won't count. A number of consumer
and health groups are leading a campaign to force the fast food chains to
include the calories right next to the prices on their menus. The nonprofit
Center for Science in the Public Interest wants this to be required for all
chains with 10 or more restaurants. "The restaurant industry hates the idea
because they might sell less food," Michael Jacobson, executive director of
CSPI admitted to Reuters.
Considering more than 60 percent of us are overweight and 25 percent are
obese and face very real and very scary health problems, selling less food
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Uncle Sam may want to take a lesson from those Subway napkins. New York
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Hi Marilyn,
Your below message is of interest. It would be good to comment on the
following.
1. Why did you eliminate meat from your diet?
2. Both Coconut oil and Palm oil are said to be much healthier than
Grapeseed oil, which has a much lower heating threshhold, and therefore
would become a changed substance,,, ( hydrogenated)... Why do you say you do
not use Coconut oil or Palm Oil under any circumstances? .I`m just curious.
3. Except for your choice of oils , I think you are going basically in the
right direction. Coconut oil and Plam oil are two oils I use when I
occasionally cook foods. (I prefer steaming vegetables). I do use coconut
oil sometimes for skin and hair health treatments, and take one or two
tablespoons of Cococnut oil throughout the day for better digestion, because
of its antisceptic effect, and, I find it useful for better mouth health,
(IMO).[Miz Judy, please take note,as a help for "dry mouth", o.k.?) Palm oil
is used only in light cooking but I haven`t exprimented with it too much.,
although I intend to do so.
4. But I have been experimenting with Organic Mustard Oil, which contains
about 16% of Omega 3, but a lot of Omega 6. Will report more on this oil
later, when I have finished more self-experimentations..
4.What are the vegan products you eat? Aren`t fruits and vegetables, vegan
products? Low fat cottage cheese isn`t...
5. My basic mainstay is the Dr. Budwig protocol because of the high Omega 3
content ( 57%), and great multi-hralth benefits.
Good health to you, Eagle and all. Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli
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Before condemning coconut oil read ; www.coconut-info.com.
Before condemning saturated fat; study the paleo diet reports.
Remember the "fat is bad" myth was started just fifty years ago to get you to
buy corn and canola and soy oil. These have all been invented/available only
during the last three generations. During the last three generations cancer
and heart disease rates exploded.
The only reason anyone needs flaxseed oil is to correct serious malnutrition
caused by the not natural new foods available and eaten by too many of us today.
The only reason to mix FSO and Cottage cheese is to allow us to use the FSO
effectively.
Nothing bad about milkfat, butter or butterfat or steaks from healthy Cows
eating natural food. However pasteurized, homogenized dairy has never been
properly tested to make sure it is safe as a major part of our diet. And
unfortunately the meat from Cows that have been injected with "stuff" and
stuffed with corn and grain for the last months of their lives is highly suspect
and definitely proven to be deficient in nutrition in some important ways.
Even a small amount of arsenic is beneficial to some people at some time in
their life; But a large amount is deadly.
Now we have3 this fantastic source of information both good and bad. It is up
to you the reader to choose what and or who to believe.
Not all free advice is good; Not all advice from sellers is bad.
Your problem!
Lorenzo

Miss Judy
Thank you for detailing the Dr. Budwig's diet on every day basis.
I am keeping a written copy of it.
Diane

Yes some experience..I was using it sometime ago and need to begin all over from
neglect..Then Cliff's dear Uncle in his 80's recently wrote to me, and when I
get to Melanie's this week I will post those two letters. He is such a darling
gentleman..still able to see and still studying his Law courses..Hey if this man
can do it I believe it will work for me. I know I'm getting a cataract..and the
eye-doc said I will need to be tested now oftener ..that with age we sometimes
notice the eye changes more. When I was using the oil in my eyes I was concerned
about the lingins in my golden bottle. But this gent said not to be to
frustrated..to go ahead and use it..that is the main part to healing.
I found that when I used the drops, and laid down on a bed, or in the recliner
tilted back, keeping the eyes closed, also helped the oil to stay in longer and
do its' job right. Also if I fell asleep, that was excellent good for me, as I
was getting the needed sleep my body calls for. Sometimes if you may get a blur
until the eye penetrates into the areas it has to go to.
Now I mentioned this useage to a eye-doc..He of course laughed at me..and said
this Quack medicine was taboo!! because we will be doing more harm than good. He
knew of some people allergic to Flaxseed and the oil..so he didn't encourage it
being used by all people. He said I for one would be taking a chance. "Big Risk,
and if it works, it will be the first I ever heard of it working..then I still
will doubt it was the oil that did the job, but the fact the body heals itself
at times without aids of other drops." Then he laid the questions out to me as
to why I thought I should use the oil in my eyes. And just how I could explained
the medical terms of it. Well ! truthfully I couldn't explained it, like someone
else that had success with it already. This is where I will need all the data
research I am able to conjure up.
Mel and I will be away about two-weeks..and a few days getting back. We are
taking the month of August to travel and get the needed rest we also have been
needing. My doctors all felt at this time it would be good for us to break away,
while we still have our health and good weather to drive in. As many of you know
we spent a good week down in Tennessee with Cliff and MaryAnna, and believe me
that was relaxing to be with our ole' friends again after some years of
departure. This time we are going to Melanie's home to visit with her lovely
family and seeing what all this meat-butchering a catering business is all
about. We will be doing exactly as the Romans do.while there. If they decided to
live in the out-house so will we. If they want to go out and race lawn mowers..(
they really do this there ) well so will Mel..I'm sure. I will jot you a note
after we get there.And on our way..(beginning here today, very shortly ) we will
have a chance to maybe visit with another man and his wife from Natural Well
Being, that will meet us at a Truck-Stop, that will be more convenient for us
both. However we are driving out slowly, taking our time..stopping to see some
sights..etc..as we come upon them. But this time more careful as to where we
stay in motels/hotels over night. And believe me I will thoroughly search my
bed, to make sure it is clean sheeted..and a fresh bedspread. No more of the
same things we found our last trip coming home in Hotel 8 along 75 in Louisville
Kentucky. Where I would have had the TV
story..if not for the fact we had only a few short minutes for them to arrive,
and they thought they couldn't make it in time..But I and Mel had an OUT! with
the manager..and scared the ())(*(*&^&%^% out of him good. Honey this is one
gal..man don't fool with when it comes to me being in my full rights. Any
questions ask me later.
I have my mail now (closed to, NO MAIL, but I can later read the archives at
Melanie's..
See you all in about 3-4 days. As for now stay healthy..drink that oil, and mix
it well with cottage cheese.
Love Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

I have been told that purified flax oil can help heal cataracts, by putting one
drop inthe affected eye each night.
Please does anyone have any experience of this, or any other advice?
regards Anne UK

Thank you Miz Judy, that's a very comprehensive overview of the diet. I
can't go wrong now.
Thanks again,
Hanneke
Jamestown/Australia
From: "Miz Judy & Mr.Mel" <mrjau@...
Subject: Re: overview of Budwig diet
Everyday eat mainly as much of low fat as necessary..We use some meat a
week.( by lean when possible..Salmon, chicken ( skinned) steak and hamburger
lean as possible. Roast with just enough marble-fat to make it tender and
more favorable..Marinate in either a mixture of herbal-broth, or wines,
vinegar. Grill, roast , bake and very little grease to fry in..we use Olive
and coconut oil's most of the time. Season meats with a light sea-salt, and
make our own paste of tomatoes, and honey-(or buy one we feel is safe)
Veggies!! eat them raw when possible on salads..or as is. Also can be baked,
fried, or steamed, etc.
Fruits: Raw, or in a mixed bowl of variety..Also can be cooked,
juiced..added to other vegetables or laid to the side with most meats.
Pineapple goes good as does baked apple with many dishes ( use stevia to
sweeten with, using less is better, as fruits are already with sugar content
enough to satisfy._
Juice both fruits and vegetables..and drink plenty of water. Limit all
soda-pop, coffee and to much tea a day. ( Few days ago at a friends we had
pizza, ( and water flavored in fruits, grounded up..) later a bowl of
homemade pecan ice-cream.)
We limit milk from our diet and use it mainly just for cereals in the
morning. ( most the time we avoid breakfast and eat nearer to noon, calling
it brunch) then we wait sometimes till 6 or so before supper..even later..we
have no set time..in between we nibble on vegetables, and fruits. Or a few
nutmeats.
Hope this helps. A don't forget plenty of water..I keep a glassful usually
right here on the desk. We carry water with us in the car at all times. And
some in a cooler in the trunk for emergencies.( lemon squeezed in water also
helps the thirst) when one is thirsty most of the time..your body needs
salt..( when not to thirsty, it is telling you that your balanced in salt,
but still be wise and keep drinking water to toxic out the poisons daily.
Miz Judy and Mr. Mel

RIce milk is mentioned in her 'cookbook' but not as a substitute for
quark/yoghurt in the basic mix with flaxseed oil.
mjh
In a message dated 8/3/02 3:26:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marjij@...
writes:

Hi Wilhelm,
Thanks for this very good assessment and the kind thoughts. They are truly
appreciated. Vegetaranism isn`t for everyone, unless predisposed or acqired.
It`s interesting to note that Pythagoras, Socrates and Plato were all
vegetarians back then over 2500 years ago.Their lifespans were over 93, I
believe, except for Socrates who elected to take the "hemlock" in his 70`s.
Using your quote by Plato really "hits the nail on the head!" in today`s
turbulent world! Ciao for now and good health to all, Mike Cinelli
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Hi Mike,
I am glad that you are staying on this list in spite of your heavy
workload. We need proponents of the Budwig Protocol like you who keep
things on track and don't mind speaking out about it.
Your contributions are much appreciated.
I suppose it is as obvious as my German heritage is.
Your liking of Italian cheeses is equaled by my liking of some German
cheeses - and sauerkraut(!)... even though I don't eat nearly as much
of it as the French think us Germans do, lol.
That is not to say that I don't like ricotta and mozarella. I have
learned to like them on this side of the Atlantic.
You misunderstood my comment "Your choice..." when you think that I
still eat cheese. It was perhaps a poor choice of words in reply to
your comments. I rarely eat cheese anymore with the exception of
quark, cc and yogurt.
We don't differ there.
Where we do differ is that I am not totally vegetarian as you are,
and that I am not much concerned about IGT-1 in milk if the cows are
not treated with artificial hormones. But like you, I do shun milk
products from cows that are treated with BGH or BST.
I liked your closing sentence:
Khan were kinder.<
What they are doing is so typical of the greed, corruption and lack
of concience of many big businesses. It has set our environment, food
supply and health on a deterioration path.
It is happening for all to see, but not all see it.
Of those that see it, only a few speak out which is not nearly enough
to stem the tide. Our governments do not feel the pressure from the
electorate to take decisive steps against it. Under the cirumstances
it is much easier to cave in to the chemical and pharmaceutical
lobby. Consequently, our society lets it happen and must take the
blame and endure more and new diseases.
"And we have made of ourselves living cesspools, and driven doctors
to invent names for our diseases."
Plato
Regards,
Wilhelm

Re: Budwig diet
You can find it by searching for Johanna Budwig on the internet. Lots of
stuff about her and her diets.
I am trying to find out if Rice Milk is ok in the collective experience of
this group.
Marji

Everyday eat mainly as much of low fat as necessary..We use some meat a week.(
by lean when possible..Salmon, chicken ( skinned) steak and hamburger lean as
possible. Roast with just enough marble-fat to make it tender and more
favorable..Marinate in either a mixture of herbal-broth, or wines, vinegar.
Grill, roast , bake and very little grease to fry in..we use Olive and coconut
oil's most of the time. Season meats with a light sea-salt, and make our own
paste of tomatoes, and honey-(or buy one we feel is safe)
Veggies!! eat them raw when possible on salads..or as is. Also can be baked,
fried, or steamed, etc.
Fruits: Raw, or in a mixed bowl of variety..Also can be cooked, juiced..added to
other vegetables or laid to the side with most meats. Pineapple goes good as
does baked apple with many dishes ( use stevia to sweeten with, using less is
better, as fruits are already with sugar content enough to satisfy._
Juice both fruits and vegetables..and drink plenty of water. Limit all soda-pop,
coffee and to much tea a day. ( Few days ago at a friends we had pizza, ( and
water flavored in fruits, grounded up..) later a bowl of homemade pecan
ice-cream.)
We limit milk from our diet and use it mainly just for cereals in the morning. (
most the time we avoid breakfast and eat nearer to noon, calling it brunch) then
we wait sometimes till 6 or so before supper..even later..we have no set
time..in between we nibble on vegetables, and fruits. Or a few nutmeats.
Hope this helps. A don't forget plenty of water..I keep a glassful usually right
here on the desk. We carry water with us in the car at all times. And some in a
cooler in the trunk for emergencies.( lemon squeezed in water also helps the
thirst) when one is thirsty most of the time..your body needs salt..( when not
to thirsty, it is telling you that your balanced in salt, but still be wise and
keep drinking water to toxic out the poisons daily.
Miz Judy and Mr. Mel

Hi All,
Ths is from a cross post in another newsgroup. . Is it revealing? You bet. Dr.
Budwig was correct all along about hydrogenation in our food. Now we are faced
with other of her warnings: Chemical based dangers...to wit: Glyphyosate, ."The
glyphosate (ie Roundup) herbicides of Monsanto Corporation are of particular
concern because the herbicide interacts with the polymer [2-4]." What a
pair:..Monsanto & WHO... let`s hope they come to their senses for everyone`s
sake! Good reading, good health and good luck to all, Mike Cinelli
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Dear Group,
It is just too simple to work out where the acrylamide comes from. I live near
where extensive potato growing occurs, so see it all. In order to kill off the
tops of potatoes and bring on the ripening process artifically [so the crop
ripens evenly], potato farmers spray glyphosate on the potato crop. I think
there is a 14 or may be only 7 day with-holding period, it's not very long, then
the crop is dug.
Then we enjoy our "Round Up" potatoes. Glyphosate is the prime ingredient in
Round-up....
Regards,
Judith Thamm.
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This article can be found on the I-SIS website at
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/acrylamide.php
ISIS Report, 1 August 2002
Acrylamide In Cooked Foods: The Glyphosate Connection
Recent health alert over toxic acrylamide in cooked foods is linked to
glyphosate, Prof. Joe Cummins reveals.
Acrylamide is a building block for the polymer, polyacrylamide, a material
well-known in molecular biology laboratories as a gel matrix for resolving DNA
fragments in sequence analysis and identifying proteins, both under electric
fields. In the world at large, polyacrylamide is used in water purification to
flocculate suspended organic matter. Recently the world health organization
(WHO) had a closed meeting to review the finding that cooked vegetables had
significant levels of acrylamide [1]. The finding received worldwide attention
because acrylamide is a potent nerve toxin in humans and also affects male
reproduction, and causes birth defects and cancer in animals. The WHO press
releases implied that the acrylamide finding was a surprise and that the
pollutant probably arose from cooking the vegetables.
Strangely, the WHO releases did not mention the fact that polyacrylamide is a
well known additive to commercial herbicide mixtures (25% to 30% solutions) to
reduce spray drift and to act as a surfactant [2]. The glyphosate (ie Roundup)
herbicides of Monsanto Corporation are of particular concern because the
herbicide interacts with the polymer [2-4]. Experiments showed that heat and
light contribute to the release of acrylamide from polyacrylamide, and
glyphosate was found to influence the solubility of polyacrylamide, so care was
advised in mixing the two.
The evidence seems compelling, therefore, that acrylamide is being released from
polyacrylamide in the environment, one of the main sources of which is in
glyphosate herbicide formulations. Cooking vegetables that had been exposed to
the glyphosate herbicide used with herbicide-tolerant crops, or used during soil
preparation for normal crops would result in the releasing more acrylamide.
Worse yet, additives such as polyacrylamide are designated 'trade secrets' in
North America and information on the contents of herbicide preparations are not
available to the public.
I am surprised at WHO's feigned ignorance of the polyacrylamide -herbicide
connection. WHO should make more effort to consult experts independent of the
giant herbicide corporations for a change, so the public could be told the whole
truth.
1.. Weiss G. Acrylamide in food: Uncharted territory. Science 2002, 297,27.
2.. Smith E, Prues S and Ochme F. Environmental degradation of
polyacrylamides:Effect of artificial environmental conditions. Ecotoxicology and
Environmental Safety 1996, 35,121-35.
3.. Smith E, Prues S and Ochme F. Environmental degradation of
polyacrylamides: II Effects of outdoor exposure. Ecotoxicology and Environmetal
Safety 1997, 37,76-91.
4.. Fischer K, Kotalik J and Kettrup A. Determination of acrylamide monomer in
polyacrylamide degradation studies by high performance liquid chromatography.
Journal of Chromatographic Science 1999, 37,486-94

Hi Lorenzo,
Thanks for your encouragement. My other computer went on the blink earlier
today with a similar message to you, so i hope you don`t get this twice1
Ciao for now and lots of health to you, your family and the list, Mike
Cinell
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Could some please give an example of what one is supposed to eat per
day on the Budwig diet. I hoped there would be something in the files
but I can't see it.
Thankyou
Hanneke

Lots of replies to my posts are nitpicking.
I never reply. It just muddies the water.
Forget it.
Lorenzo

For Mike Cinelli
Bravo Mike, Your posts have been very helpful; Glad you chose to keep this
list.
Lorenzo
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Vern
It is really easy to make yoghurt......
3 cups non fat dry milk
7 cups water
1/4 to 1/2 cup yoghurt with LIVE bacteria (we use Dannon Fat Free plain)
Mix all together and put in a place where it will stay at 105 ro 110 degrees
Fahrenheit for several hours to overnight. Cover loosely as air is needed for
the lactobacillus and friends to propogateand do their magic.
Some places I have used for incubation are:
1. Top of refrigerator
2. Top of hottub (nice bottom heat with this one)
3. Outside in the sun (watch for overheating, heat builds up in any
container.) Ambient air temp above 80.
4. In our gas oven with a pilot light
5. In a crock pot which I filled with water and found where to set the dial
to the right temp using a kitchen thermometer.
When all is coagulated and the whey is fairly clear, it is ready. We
normally pour off some of the whey, leaving a fairly dense yoghurt.
Save some to make your next batch. We make two or three batches each week.
Have fun
mjh
In a message dated 8/2/02 12:20:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, v_hale@...
writes:

MJH said,
MJH,
What is your recipe using the nonfat dry milk?
Thanks,
Vern
v_hale@...

In a message dated 08/02/2002 10:03:08 AM Central Daylight Time,
hrand@... writes:
These are my thoughts only...nothing professional here. You know I've told
you
my dad has prostate cancer and is on a program by an ND who has
all manner of nutrtional schooling. Dad can eat things like Ezekial
bread that has been toasted and a very limited quantity. Is only to eat
whole grains such as millet, which by the way is also the less acidic of all
grains, brown rice etc. He must concentrate on raw fruits, leafy salads,
green veggies, sweet potatoes but no white potatoes for the reason
you say...truns right into simple sugars.
Glad you brought this up...I constantly trying to find things he can eat.
Edith

Hi Wilhelm,
Thanks for taking so much time to answer this post. My delay is due to being
swamped with work. Actually, I`ll have to sign off a few lists, because as
interesting as they are, they are time consuming. Sorry, detractors, this is
not one of he. I`ll stay on this one [ groans!]
Without going on a point by point basis, let me say this: I use the Dr.
Budwig protocol every day. I have to make my own yoghurt/quark/ cottage
cheese mix most of the time , because I cannot buy anything but yoghurt here
in Taiwan. I try to use only "organic" yoghurt. Now when it comes to
hormones, I actually do have a fear. When it comes to yoghurt/cottage
cheese/quark, the Normal growth hormones and artificial hormones both scare
me, the latter more than the former. Will I stop using organic yoghurt? No.
Will I try to avoid yoghurt/milk laced with the artificial hormones, as in
GMO milk, unlabeled in the USA and elsewhere? ( Try Starbucks for
exampe...or supermarkets...GMO...What`s that????) You can bet your bottom
dollar that I will try to avoid GMO dairy products, and their derivitive
usages, as in a host of food items. But as I have said before, the Dr.
Budwig protocol of low fat Quark and Flaxseed oil, combine to form a new
product, that is different from the parts. You state this admirably in a
slightly different way, so we don`t have problems there.
Where we do differ a bit is in the use of cheese. I wrote" And I don`t miss
any of milk products, except ricotta, mozarella, and bel paese ( I wonder
why???)." and you answered: "Your choice..."...Actually Wilhelm,it my
attempt at sing humor or making a joke about the liking of these cheeses
from my obvious Italian heritage. I grew up on them! That`s why I miss
them...I should have explained that one a bit more...My alpologies...
But you say you eat cheese. That`s o.k. with me, if you do. Re: fear of
eating foods: I am a vegetarian by choice,[ not fad] and I do it because I
fear all the "junk" that`s in all the meat, fowl and fish on the market, in
addition to several other very deep reasons, which I won`t mention. But I
don`t advocate others to become vegetarians, too, because everyone should
make up his or her own choice(s) reference food intake. I might add that I
genuinely enjoy eating fruits, vegetables, some nuts, some grains
(sparingly), and used to like some type of breads, pastas, rice, etc., but
now "fear" them because of all the soy,[GMO or not] that has been added to
our foods, without our knowledge or permission. What do I do? I don`t buy
them, but others have a choice to do what they want. I still manage to find
ways around all this lack of wholesome food....
Yes, I fear eating some foods, and yet I discover other beautiful foods, &
oils ( like Mustard Oil, coconut oil, palm oil ) not to take the place of
flaxseed oil but to use in different ways)...Then there are so many
vegetables, fruits etc., that are waiting to be discovered...To me ,
everything is exciting, and an adventureous experiment. I actually believe
I feel better and am healthier because of these "fears', and have not
suffered physically, or psychologically from my choices [ to my knowledge!],
since my health has improved from all this! By the way, I never
intentionally miss a meal, and I really don`t miss what I`ve given up.
That`s about as honest as can be. I hope I`ve covered all the bases except
your question about IGF-1, which i choose to shy away from at this time.
Perhaps later....
Lastly, I take your post in the spirit of true friendship, because you are a
caring person and are involved in everything you say and do. I thank you for
your honesty as I know many list members do, too.
Ciao for now & all the best in using the Budwig Protocol in good health,
Mike Cinelli
P.S.
As for Monsanto and their "scientists", Attila The Hun and Ghengis Khan were
kinder .
Ciao again, Mike Cinelli
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Frends, I have been reading so much about how both simple and complex
carbohydrates end up feeding cancer cells. Tell me folks what you are
doing to take care of this problem. It seems to me that there should be
enought glycene in high grade protein to take care of the glucose needs but
who can exist on only protein.
Another thing, I read that millet is real high in B17 so for quite a while
we have been having millet cereal for breakfast of course covered with
stevia sweetened cc/flax oil.
What say folks, Harold
Man who stand on high hill with mouth wide open wait long time for roast
duck to fly in. Chinese Proverb

Hi All,
Sorry, but I got a great chuckle out of the two posts below. They seem a bit
"transparent" IMO....
Who is the "authority" that said that "Nutritional gurus" don`t believe in
the Dr. Budwig`s protocol? And just who are these "Nutritional gurus?"...
Just consider the 'source"... Are we playng "set up ping-pong" again?" It`s
a good detracting tactic..
The sources I have read and many nutritionalists seem very receptive to the
protocol when they finally learn about it, and how it delivers much needed
Omega 3, that is lacking in our diet. This also includes Medical doctors
looking for "cures" for their own family members. These "so-called
nutritional gurus " must be working in our universities, hospitals and
Nursing Homes, etc., where the "Nutritional food" is usually so
sub-standard that if the Chemo/drugs/operations don`t get you, the food will!
I apologize for not doing "double blind studies on this matter...sorry . But
any one who wants to see evidence of how medical doctors & others welcome
the Dr. Budwig protocol, check out the Flaxseed Oil files. For those who
want to see how well balnced our nutritional meals are, just go check...
A litle less misinformation would help this list immensely, but keep trying
guys! I got to hand it to you, you don`t give up. Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli
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Wilhelm
Looks as if we are reviewing the same information sources. The ones you
chouse coveres some of the points well. The question does HGH cause
increased cancer growth? Found in standard medicen reference that it did.
Searched for studies and only found the same prostate study you did. That
was 2 yeays ago or so. Have had cancer for about 14 years; have been able to
hold it in check. HGH offered much but didn't want to cause progression. I
believe the increase had no basis in fact (could not find evidence) but was
assumed. Cancer cells and normal cells have different chemistry. Interested
in any info. that it does increase cancer growth.
responsible for prostate cancer since its level decreases with age whereas
the risk of this disease increases with age."
Cancer: A Study of 749 patients"
http://www.worldhealth.net/news/prost-igf1
HGH is probably the most important single chemical factor to good health.
With its decrease, so goes vibrant good health. The effects of ageing are a
direct result along with less protection from illness. When IGF-1 at any age
drops the person is in trouble, becomes subject to host of problems which
are treated. These are symptoms not the cause. HGH the master hormon has
effect through out the system. Your quotes here show this. When questioning
my dotors on this they so far know notheing and warn me away from use. Ton
of information now avable that they have no knowage of or ignore. Reports of
increased mussle mass, engery, sexual funtion, losing weight, diabetes going
away, long list of improvements in health and life funtion. Reducing
biological age 10 or 20 years. This is a developing treatment. Klatz and
others at http://www.worldhealth.net/ are making head way in introducing it
into standard medicen and have ever increasing numbers of dotors and list.
http://www.antiaging-systems.com http://www.lef.org are
great informational sites.
http://www.localsponsors.com/washington/lifextension/faq.htm offer treatment
and good place for information. A net search of HGH finds tons of info..
several positive effects on mammalian physiology. IGF1 is important for bone
growth, cell division, sexual functions, and the quality life."
symptoms of aging can be reversed. Such people gain energy, manage
menopausal symptoms, and experience marked improvement in chronic diseases."
IGF1 in diverse diseases such as, Parkinson's disease, Multiple sclerosis,
diabetes, obesity, etc."
http://www.vethelplineindia.com/vet/milkcontroversy4.htm

HI,
I just had a visitor that made my day. He came to get a couple bottles of
Flaxseed Oil for his mother in law.
He told me that nine months ago she had cancer in her gallbladder and faced
surgery in part of her liver and other places.
She refused. She is closing in on 80.
She happens to go to an Oncologist who is knowledgeable about Flaxseed Oil
and this doctor suggested she use it and that has been her only treatment.
She has just had a catscan and other tests and there is no sign of cancer.
I hope I can get more details.
Cliff

In a message dated 7/31/02 1:02:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, OLMXR@...
writes:
WHAT DID YOU SEND?????? This is the entirety of your message!

Mel and I left Nashville Ohio on Thursday July 25,2002..We first went to
Cincinnati,Ohio and spent the evening with our son, Kevin and his family.And
there partaking of a fine meal waiting for us. However we found only one
grandson, Jon at home, because Bradley was at Church camp, and Josh was busy
working in his insurance office. Karen also had some dictations to do for
doctor's in her home office. While Mel and I begin to re-pack the trunk of the
car. And took off
We only had to stop 3-times proceeding to Tennessee, before arriving at "The
Beckwith's residence", Greeted with open arms by Cliff and MaryAnna, whom we
haven't seen in quite awhile, since last they visited Ohio. I must say we have
missed them since we were once neighbors, and I'm sure it was mutual from the
hugs and kisses. Neither of us have changed in the spiritual, but we sure have
aged, and become somewhat sickly in body. ( putting that phase mildly)..We all
have gained a few pounds here not needed, and have now wrinkles. And where once
mussels were holding us up, we are sagging to the ground. We all four walk with
a slower stride, like not caring if we make the next step, but reach out, just
to pull up a chair, to let us try to sit down without creaking and cracking, or
causing some un-necessary pains in the back or knee joints. And by the time we
got ready to come home, MaryAnna and I was sitting more than standing.
Day one was Friday..We shared a beautiful delightful Chili dinner..with salad
and the trimmings. ( now this was just the beginning of a few days off our
regular way of eating: We laugh now because it is so funny: But we had no idea
each day with them would follow with at least three wholesome meals, not
counting the snacks in the late evening, or going out to dine. I've been afraid
to even get on the bathroom scale. But by the time I left their place my tummy
looked like I was a few months along. Today back to my girdle in hopes to hide
it. Ha.ha. HEEEA.
We got to bed Friday around 11 PM
BREAKFAST..and off for the Ripley's Aquarium of the Smokies in Gatlinburg,
Tennessee. Talk about an education, we all learned something about fish-of the
sea, and seen new species. We spent 2 1/2 hours in fascination. One fish had
lips of pretty pink under its belly..I'm not sure what it was, going over above
my head, but I stood there a good while watching it as it tracked back and
forth. I have never in my life seen the underside of ocean creatures before..and
I am not kidding there is a difference in male and female. The Sand tiger shark
with their jagged teeth , that shed every two weeks,Some were over ten feet
long..going over my head I prayed the forms of that plastic arched ceiling was
strong enough to hold not only them, but the thousands of other fishy-swimming
to give me their finest performance. The Eagle Ray, is such a graceful swimmer,
and resembles an eagle in flight, this is how they got their name. And they live
in the coral, and feeds on the ocean bottom on mollusks, crustaceans and small
fish. It has a patterned back that acts as a camouflage, hiding it from
attackers and prey as it rest at the bottom of the ocean floor. All sorts of
school fish were swimming to and fro They are similar to Angel fish when they
come almost nose to nose, then quickly like a twinkle of an eye all dart off
north,south,east and west..then again come back together into a school nose to
nose. It was almost like a ballerina dance under water. There were thousands of
fish from Fiji, Hawaii, the Marshall Islands and Indian and Pacific ocean.,and
the tanks flourished with re-creation of their own habituate. Now the Piranha
has a reputation for being a fearsome creature: but actually, it only attacks
sick or injured animals, or when hungry..which seemed like more times than I
wanted to count. I would have felt threatened if I had a hand inside the very
large vats. Jellyfish looked like ladies..Actually like a Bride in her wedding
gown. The lights in the tank, shown through giving them a beautiful
pearl-looking gown, with all the frilly fringes. They have hundreds of
tentacles, which are used to stun and capture prey.And most can give a very mild
sting to sensitive-skinned people. WELL! I decided to stand back, just incase
that tank busted open and they all came my way un-invited. But the two fish that
fascinated me most, I believe were the drillers, into the small pebbles..They
would stand on their tail, go around and swish the gravel like a drill bit, and
make themselves a hole, then tail fist go into the hole and with only their head
sticking out, look all around at us. They were no larger than a small gold-fish,
and almost the same color. I and Mary Anna watched them for sometime they were
so funny to see. Then the fish that we all liked was the Angler ( maybe spelt
wrong ) but on top his head, was this antenna he would flip way out on a sting,
and on the end dangled what looked like white fishing worms ( night crawlers
about 1/2 inch long) Now the fish was not very large..( guessing maybe like 3
inches if that. But he was spiked all over..If I recall correctly ) and as the
prey came along, he teased them, then grabbed them with his mouth..tricky-sneaky
fellow.
We ate a lovely buffet style dinner there in the restaurant..and then went home,
got ourselves a shower and sat and talked then headed for be.
Saturday: we got up ate breakfast, and by 10:00 AM
Cliff back down at the Rutledge School ..for the Grainger County Tomato
Festival. This happen to be their tenth year of Celebrating, which begin July
26,27, and 28th. WELL! Saturday and Sunday was as humid as the day we chose to
go to this event, on Saturday. This community feast begin in March 1993, when a
fledging organization meeting was held and great interest was shown among a
handful of volunteers.Among those were Cliff and his son John Beckwith. The few
tents, and events grew thereafter each year. And they now estimate more than
10,000-12,000 people show up in that three day activities. That is roughly 5,000
per day. Food concession stands are jammed packed with many goodies, and of
course you can find tomato everything imaginable to eat. Only Saturday Mel and I
didn't feel much like trying to find a spot to sit down to eat, so we later went
to a Home country cooked meal in a restaurant near by. Also where there was
air-conditioning and ceiling fans running.
We walked around each booth selling wares..and of course didn't dare leave
before seeing the " Gold Line Dances, Foothill Cloggers.Mountain Soul, bluegrass
Gospel Melodies, Bands, Guitars, fiddlers, vocals, Banjollers,, and you name it
music going on all day . Midnite Rodeo, tanna Reynolds, Ball Sisters, The
Moneyhuns, Union Grass,Blue Ridge Lightening, Bridget Perry,David West, and
Cider Mth Boys' to name a few. With even a puppet show put on by Cliff's, Church
, of Indian Ridge Baptist. But the Tomato War was something else. I mean you had
to stand way off, or get splattered ourselves. There was two sides of I believe
6 people each side, each had protective glasses and shields..Now the fruits are
donated by the people in the area, the more ripper the better. Each has a bag
attached to their waistline. Filled with tomatoes, and there is another bucket
of fruits in the middle of the field, for all to grab more if they can get to
them without being splattered and if hit, out they go.sometimes there is only
one person left against maybe 1-5 others from the opposite side. What one had to
back up from was when the older men and different TV
of community was against each other. WOW ! some of these guys have that baseball
and football hand, when it comes to throwing out tomatoes at their opponents.
Later in the day:we learned what a "Hillbilly Lip-gloss" was. It is when.. We
seen them.. just about everywhere around the grounds, and inside of buildings,
all the while someone was smacking their lips on the ripest tomato. I even
noticed a few people with a salt and pepper shaker in one hand and a tomato in
the other. Some people preferred the fried-green dish full, and others liked the
bread and butter tomato, or tomatoes, with peanut butter and pickle sandwich. I
bet if I'd had taken my time, I could have located the tomato ice-cream, or
tomato cake, and pies, or cookies.
Sunday we went to Church with Cliff and MaryAnna, and was really welcomed by
everyone that we hadn't yet seen on Saturday. These Southern folks really made
us feel right at home. They greeted us as if they had known us a life-time.
Sunday afternoon we rested and some of us took a quick nap.then in the evening
we watched BABE on video that MaryAnna had taped. And for the first time Mel and
I got to watch DOC.
Now between time..Cliff and I puttered.But we vowed not to get to involved. I
knew that Natural well Being was well cared for while I was away, so I had no
worry it would run smooth. Once in awhile when Cliff had something else to
attended to, I helped him check out the Flaxseed list..or if I had to be away,
he kept an eye on my group. I have to be truthful..I don't think either one of
us was to missed. And we both deleted many things that had no interest..and knew
we could go back into archives later to catch up. Cliff on the other hand even
kept sending me things back home to check out..later too. And we sort of bored
Mel and MaryAnna to death when we kept getting up soon after a meal to check the
two list-groups.But see MaryAnna is like Mel..Computers don't seem to be their
life-style. Someone sent pics of MaryAnna when she was a nurse graduating, and
we all had to flock around the computer to marvel at how pretty. And how many
years have drifted by.
Anyway..Mel and I headed home, on July 30th, soon after another fine
meal..Believe me..one don't get away without eating in the "BECKWITH'S home. And
if Maryanna wasn't cooking, Mel and I were..and Cliff kept the flaxseed oil
mixed up, when Mel wasn't making ours. We seemed like we was eating around the
clock..but Hey..once in how many years it was GREAT. And we had alot of gossip
to catch up on.
Later about our trip home..and bad hotel experience.. Right now got to eat, and
go to the back therapy, and shopping.
Love Miz Judy and Mr.MEL
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Loved reading your email, about the Beckwith's, how everyone has aged, and
sagged!! That was so... funny!! I'm so glad you got to go on your vacation
and had such a great time!! 3 meals a day, and snacks hope did'n't make your
scales go up.
Glad you are home, now you and Mel can rest a little.
Love Cynthia