Flax Seeds

Becky-AKA Snow..,many of us just use Flaxseed two, And once in a blue moon
go back to One to see what if anythig is new there..NO
has jumped over there. I for one have not. I seem to be getting all I need
on TWO group. That and the fact it has a list owner (CLIFF) that runs
things well there. And as you know I am kept very active running Natrual
well Being. On both list we sometime talk Flaxseed and the oil and etc, but
mainly on other related health issues. And we carry the prayer list over to
this group.
I and Mel are doing great using the flaxseed from Barleans, and so far have
had no problems..but now after todays trip out of town, and spending a day
shopping to soon vacation..we both came home to weigh ourselves..And Mel and
I have lost a few lbs since spring. I could tell it while shopping, for
clothes today we both had to get smaller sizes..Hey girls even my she size
is decreasing, depending on the style. I have no idea if it is the flaxseed
oil and the cotage chesse..or the fact we are using the rebounder for
exercise. Or both. I hope it is both.
Love Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

Hi Martin,
Thanks for your reply re; Cliff Beckwith`s 3d story. ...It`s not so
surprizing why Roy, went with the chemo. It`s probably due to all the
pressure and repeated messages we get from the Lobby Groups (AMA, Am Cancer
Society, etc.& their effective publicity as found on T.V., in Schools, etc)
,,"Only trust your doctor. All others are quacks***." Under these
circumstances, when the pressure was on for a sound decision to be made,
the "Doctor knows best syndrome" took effect, and....another stastistic. We
must keep in mind that predictable confusion and trauma results when a
person is told he/she has cancer, and it`s then, when family members should
be able to help guide a person`s decision when the 'facts" are needed.
"Doctor doesn`t know best", and what`s more, most doctors don`t want to give
up "The synthetic `Healing' Protocols they learned in Medical Schools.In all
fairness, their peer group "professional" pressure is hard on them, too.
tHEY CAN LOSE THEIR LICENSE AND LIVLIHOOD....( not shouting, just
emphazing)...It boils down to a case of morality...Until the schools
themselves change their curriculums- (a), misery will exist, as in this
case. Nutrition is missing from most all Medical Schools, although some now
are beginning to add some courses on it. Is it enough? Will it change the
scenario? Is it recommended as an approach by these "Medicoes". I leave
that for you to decide.
In the meantime, family members have to must up the courage to say "No. We
will wait and see". or 'Thanks doctor, for your expert opinion. We`ll get
2d, 3d, 4th opinions just to be safe, due to the seriousness of the matter",
or, " Interesting, doctor. Let us have a think about all this overwhelming
news and get back to you..." etc., etc.,..[You probably have had some better
answers than these....It`s how you say it, and preparation is important to
ward off these doctors who are, in the final analysis, "selling a
program."....Good luck, good talking and good health.
Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli
***P.S. I was told that the term "Quacks" was given to medical doctors,
several hundred years ago, because they used to look like ducks, with their
long billed hats which they wore, as a sign of their profession and to
protect themselves from ...?. Then in this mid-20th Century, the Morris
Fishbein Group ( AMA) applied it to all alternative or non-allopathic
disciplines and people practicing them. Does anyone one has other ideas on
this? Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli
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Mike..... I don't know about the hats but a couple of hundred years ago
doctors practiced with the use of herbs and alternatives, maybe not as
sophisticated as today, they didn't know any other way, then once they
started to set their own rules you had to fall in line and do what you where
taught, nothing has really changed here, they began to learn about the body
from the dead, grave robbers would supply them with as fresh a body as
possible for a price, that's when surgeons began to surface....... you know
the rest...
Gerry Logan

Hi,
I would have my doubts personally but I am not an expert on buttermilk.
Cliff

Hi,
My heart goes out to this lady and if anyone on the Flax 2 list and not on
the Flax 1 would have any suggestions please post them and I will make
certain they get on the other list.
Cliff
Hello, I'm Kim, and I joined this group to find out more about using
flax with my 2 y/o daughter. She has cerebral palsy with a speech
apraxia and I've heard that Omega 3 AND 6 suplements can really
help. But I'd like to do as much as I can with food rather than
using the supplements. Does anyone have recommendations for books I
should read or just persaonal experiences that might help?
thank you so much.
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Hi,
Quark IS buttermilk with the whey removed.
So far as I know, the same goes for most cottage cheeses.
The cultured buttermilk in supermarkets that I have seen (and used)
comes in 2 varieties, 1% and 3.25% BF.
The level of sulpur proteins in 1% buttermilk are almost identical
to that in 1% milk. I doubt that it will mix properly with FO as the
protein level is too low. It is the protein concentration that
causes bonding with the FO when mixed sufficiently.
But if you have a good source of low fat buttermilk you can make
your own quark. I have done many times lately.
Here is how it works:
Place your buttermilk into a pot and heat to 150 deg.F for 8 hours.
The oven works fine.
This causes the extra coagultion required.
Remove the pot and drain the contents through a cheese cloth.
(I use a large wire sive with a mesh like a tea strainer. But don't
dump it in - ladle it gently).
You will end up with about 1/3 quark and 2/3 whey.
Works perfectly every time.
Once I forgot about the buttermilk in the oven and had it in there
for 15 hours or so. It still turned out very good.
The problem is that the 1% buttermilk has become something like a 3%
quark since not much fat seems to go out with the whey.
Another problem (for me) is that I cannot get organic buttermilk
around here.
So, mostly I stick with the 0.3% organic yogurt which I can buy.
Hope this helps,
Wilhelm

Hello All,

For those who don`t have The Dr. Roehm "confirmation" of Dr. Budwig`s approach to curing cancer, here it is again. This time in it`s in The Cancercured`s Newletter , sent by Elaine, on Dr. Budwig`s Diet. I find it helpful to go over the Diet often because new things seem to pop up or better ways to do things come to mind. Dr. Roehm was a famous Oncologist who stated,"May those of you who have suffered from this disease [Cancer] (and I include your family and friends in this) forgive the miscreants who have kept this simple information from reaching you for so long". .(signed) Dan C. Roehm, M.D. FAC.P.
Dr. Roehm was an honest doctor, and, IMO, more doctors will follow his example as they see the damage being done to people, including wasting away and premature death. All they need is to see articles like this. Spread the word and send or give a copy of this article to every doctor, nurse and health care practitioner whom you know as well as to all afflicted people. Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli
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Subject: [HH_Newsletter] Budwig`s Anti Cancer diet
http://www.cythrawl.org/ketosis/disease/budwig_diet.shtml
Note: This document details the "Budwig Diet", which is the anti-cancer diet I have spoken with some of you about. At first glance, many would consider the approach quackery. However, as many of you "long timers" to the list will recall, the diet actually works by boosting your immune response to mutagenic cells (IE: cancer and virus infected). It's actually quite a well based diet in the sense that it is loaded with Omega-3 oils, anti-oxidants, sulpher compounds, and proteins.
All of these key ingredents help promote a healthy and active immune system, and that is the most important aspect of preventing or recovering from cancer. I won't go into the mechanisms here (like I did in the past), because they are too complicated for one single post. I will however, merge all of this (and the algae stuff) into one long post at a later time.
Until then, if you know of anyone who is ailing from cancer, I encourage you to inform them of this diet. You should also buy the book. It's only $7, and it can literally save your life. It has certainly proven to be more effective than chemotherapy and radiation, which usually cuts the vicitims lifespan to only 5 years post therapy..
Low-carber's and paleo-dieters out there will also note that it's a low-sugar diet, and also emphasizes the consumption of as few man-made/processed products as possible. I've been investigating the option of substituting whey protein for the cottage cheese, because it has the same protein profile, but is much less allergenic than the cheese.

Can buttermilk be used with flaxseed oil instead of cottage cheese,
quark or yogurt; I mean the kind of buttermilk one gets in
supermarkets, not the real buttermilk (the fluid left over from
making butter). Does it have sufficient sulfur in it? I like
buttermilk very much and seem to digest it better than cottage cheese
or yogurt.

Last night my wife mentioned two of the ladies that work with her to me and
she told me that one ladies husband was losing weight (rapidly) and
urinating blood, and having 15 or more bloody bowel movements a day, he was
taken to a local hospital and was tested, well it turned out that he had
cancer in the lower bowel, his bladder and was starting to shut down his
liver......... I became frustrated in how to respond to this and told my
wife I wish I could help him but the only thing I could think of was taking
heavy amounts of Pau D'arco which would help fight the cancer in these
areas. I remembered one man who had the same things happen to him and his
oncologist could only offer him chemotherapy but was pretty negative as to
just how much help it would be able to give him and suggested that he only
had a few months to live. This man chose not to have chemotherapy instead
he was told by a lady in a health food store to consume large amounts of pau
d'arco tea....... believe it or not he cured his own cancer, based on his
own book. I thought about this man fighting his own battle and winning but
new that I would never be able to pass this information on to the man my
wife spoke about....... I became choked up and actually had tears blocking
my vision...... I just felt helpless and useless knowing that his daughter
was a registered nurse, and the direction she will insist that he follow.
I can only watch the onslaught that is about to overtake this poor soul.
The second man my wife spoke of was just diagnosed with prostate cancer, and
another lady told his wife to speak to me as I decided to take
responsibility for my own PCa and refused to have any treatments that were
offered through the cancer clinic....... I gave my wife a book on prostate
health and several printouts on treating his cancer with the use of
progesterone creams, and a note that I know just how he feels right now and
he needs to talk with people that have been in the same spot. Time will
tell if he responds to my offer, I hope that he looks at all the options
open to him, he needs the confidence that he could really only find on
sites like these.
May we all be a little healthier to-morrow then we are to-day
Gerry Logan

In a message dated 7/16/02 9:40:01 AM, glogan@... writes:
I put a small handfull of pumpkin seeds in my oatmeal. I like the flavour.
Clyde

Hi ...... I had one friend (scientist) tell me that he also grinds up raw
pumpkin seeds with his flax, that way he is getting the added benefit of B17
and all the goodness from the pumpkin seeds, sounds like good advice...
Gerry Logan

Try an experiment of your own. Take some ground flax seed, some Lignan rich
flaxseed oil, and some plain flaxseed oil. Make sure that the flax seed is
ground very fine. Take equal amounts of the two oils, say 2-4 tablespoons and
put it in two separate containers that are easy to see through, such as clear
glass. Begin to put in ground flaxseed in the clear oil and mix. Keep adding
until the color and amount of solids in it are about the same as that in the
lignan rich oil. How much you put in should be around the same amount as has
been put in the lignan rich oil. That will give you a pretty good idea of how
much lignan is actually in the oil.
If someone does this, the results posted might be nice. I'm curious as to the
actual amount of lignans added. I bought some lignan rich oil once and there
wasn't a lot of solid matter in it; some definitely, but much less than I
tend to use anyway. And since we use oil for a variety of recipes, we didn't
like having the "grit" in it for some of them. For the recipes we don't care
about, we add our own ground flax seed.
Now consider how much you would use if you ate the flax seed ground up and
put in something else. I don't know if there is a price difference in the
oils either.
Clyde
In a message dated 7/15/02 3:58:59 PM, lorenzo1@... writes:

Hi Wilhelm and all,
In answer to your question,..."By the way, I do not remember any reference
about Dr.Budwig recommending high lignan FSO, do you? Does anyone?"...In a
word, -No-. I don`t recall anything except using Flaxseed Oil and ground
flaxseeds themselves...... Thanks for your good suggestions on Flaxseed oils.
Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli
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Here is another perspective on the high lignan or clear oil question.
I prefer the clear oil. I get the lignans from grinding my own
seeds. The reasons for this is the taste of the clear oil, it
is clean, almost tasteless and I can easily detect when a new batch
is off flavour.
I have tried lignan rich FSO and didn't like the taste.
It was not possible for me to tell whether the oil was rancid or
what, and that makes me uncomfortable.
I (like all of you) take the oil for health reasons and I certainly
do not want to compromise my health by ingesting an oil that is, or
could be, rancid.
Recently there have been a number of posts complaining about the
taste of fo/cc. Are those who feel the oil or fo/cc mixture tastes
bad are in the habit of eating lignan rich oil? It may be worth
getting some feedback on.
Likewise I never buy FSO with flavourings such as garlic or herbs.
I see more of them appearing on the shelves.
You cannot easily detect rancidity with these things covering up any
off flavour. In my suspicious mind that may be one of the reasons
why they are marketed.
I have had my share of rancid oils and I am now very careful about
it. I did have big problems with one company in particular.
When I called them up and asked why their oil was tasting bitter,
they said that it had to do with the maturity of the seeds.
Right...that was one way of saying the seeds were rancid and hoping
to get away with it... not very honest though. In fact I consider it
outright irresponsible.
Bitter tasting FSO is rancid, make no mistake about it.
Do yourself a favour and be very particular about it.
Taste every new batch.
If it tastes bitter, return it.
If it tastes clean freeze it and have peace of mind.
By the way, I do not remember any reference about Dr.Budwig
recommending high lignan FSO, do you? Does anyone?
Wilhelm

Lorenzo

Just wanted to say that I have commented on the Lignan Rich oil situation many times in the past so my short answer had more to do with not boring the group with yet another reply on the subject.

Jane and I have been research a completely vertical Omega-3 protocol for otherwise healthy people.

What I am confident is that a picture will emerge with the use of Ground Seed, Flax Oil and Fish Oil all working together - coupled with an Omega-6 education and reduction initiative.

I had researched this topic some time ago and here is what I discovered. I would be most interested in your comments.....Here is my position paper on the topic

Lignan Rich Oil doesn't seem to be a good idea because of the cost in terms of decreased Omega-3 content. Lignan rich oil is reported by Barlean's contain 2660mg (per tablespoon) of flax particulates. Flax particulates are divided into to two groups, hull and gum. The gum is the portion attributed to the Secoisolariciresinol Diglycoside (aka - SDG's, lignans). In the process of making oil, Omega-3's become concentrated - Lignans do not do that, to volume remains unchanged. Since no standard method of SDG extraction currently exists, it impossible to know how much benefit your actually getting.

The Omega-3 content of a tablespoon of "regular" Barlean's oil is 7700 mg (while only 6200mg is reported in the "lignan rich" version). Its costing you 1500mg of Omega-3 to use it. One tablespoon of ground flax seed contains 8000mg of flax particulates. So setting aside the SDG problem, the 2660mg of "flax particulates" translates into slightly less then 33% of the flax particulates found in single tablespoon of ground flax seed.

Repectfully,

Mike Martin

Flax Your Way To Better Health
WWW.FLAXRD.COM

Hi,
The use of seeds with Breast cancer sounds like good advice.
However, I have a lot of evidence of the use of Flaxseed oil in larger
quantities than could be gotten from the seeds safely knocking out advanced
Breast cancer.
I don't know if there is research showing the effect of grinding more than 3
tablespoons of flaxseeds a day or not, but that would be the equivalent of
one tablespoon of oil and if there is active breast cancer it may well take
4 or more tablespoons of oil a day to handle it. That would be 12
tablespoons of seeds to be ground and that is a lot of fluff.
Likewise, I don't recall any experimental evidence of the use of seeds in
fighting active advanced breast cancer. I would like to know if there has
been and the results.
We are doing a lot of things but are studiously avoiding duplicating Dr.
Budwig's experimental work.
Dr. Budwig says to use no more than 3 tablespoons of seeds a day to be
ground. That would be 3 tablespoons of seeds ground and 3 tablespoons of FO
with cottage cheese, and extra cottage cheese for the three tablespoons of
seeds.
I seem to remember that a lot of the experimental evidence is for the use of
less than 3 tablespoons a day and the evidence is in connection with breast
cancer prevention.
I should get the book but I don't read very much anymore.
Cliff

Hi Cliff: Wondering if you will get your results on your psa test today?
Just am curious. Cynthia

Lorenzo:

You are right--it cannot be proven since there is no standardized methodology for testing lignans. So, I would recommend that you contact Barleans and have them tell you how much lignans they can add back in compared to the ground seeds. I have done this with Barleans, as well as all the other companies that sell "High-lignan" flax oil. Once I crunched the numbers that 'they' provided, at the most 20% lignans was added back in. So yes, it is higher than regular oil, and maybe you want to pay a bit more for the lignans. That is really your choice. The other difference between regular and high-lignan is that the high-lignan has less omega-3 fats than the regular oil. If you don't believe me, check it out for yourself.

As far as the physician commenting about the woman who was put back on chemo, I am not surprised. I heard a oncologist a few months ago tell a nurse on a medical floor(at one of the hospitals that I do PRN work) that he had another son to put through college, so that was his justification for putting a patient back on chemotherapy(which did kill her in the end--only my opinion). I haven't yet in my career as a Registered Dietitian in the US met one oncologist that put the patients needs about their $ needs. Very sad....

Jane Reinhardt-Martin, RD, LD

Author: Flax Your Way to Better Health

www.FlaxRD.com

MIZ JUDY: I think I will buy my cottage cheese!! Too much work to make cc.
How mel's boy toy? Cynthia

Well I don't make mine any more either since we are not living on the farm..but it is easy to do after a couple batches. If ever you can get some fresh rich cows milk at least try it once.

Mel is out hot-roding today. He had some business to do in Wooster. And I didn't feel like going out. Got to rest before my court case tomorrow morning..I will send notice to Natural WEll Being later on that.

Checking now the Flaxseed oil..and the Ligans in it..TRUE what I've found it is mainly in the seeds..but like BARLEAN's they add it back into the oil. to what we buy. How much they use right now is the question.? And again I think it would be very important to have it in the bottle before we take it. I always mix ours up before I pour it out, to make sure nothing is settled in the bottom of my oil.

Love Miz Judy

Glad you found this out..because this is what we try to buy. And we get ours at our Wal-Mart. We also like the red salmon when available. I take it then there is no preservantives in it either.

Was it you Lorenzo that said that the canned salmon are done on a boat before coming to shore..canned as they are caught? then shipped on to markets to be sold to us. How can we find out if preservatives are or are not in it?

Miz Judy

Hi Diane,
Sorry to disagree with Jerry but it is important to keep using the ground
seeds. Ground flax seeds contain Lignans which you can not get in flax oil.
Many oils claim to be "lignan rich" but thats just
marketing bologna.
Get a small coffee grinder, grind those seeds and add them to anything you
desire.....
Respectfully,
Mike Martin
Flax Your Way To Better Health
WWW.FLAXRD.COM

I wrote to this firm that packs the whole wild Alaskan frozen Salmon; here
is the reply.
Dear Lorenzo
Thank you for your interest in our Coho salmon that is currently being sold
at Wal-Mart. There are no chemicals or additives used in the preparation of
the salmon. It is a 100% all natural wild fish that is processed in Alaska.
We hope you enjoy the salmon. It's a great value.
Sincerely,
Rick Speed
Director, National Accounts
Seattle, WA

If for some unknown reason you get cottage cheese and it seems a little to bitie..then it is getting to old. One can wash the cheese by putting it into a cheese-bag, and run several cups full of cold water over it. Then add if desired pure cream to refresh it. When cottage cheese sours, it is because the whey had aged to rapidly.

Making your own cottage cheese is the best. But you will need to find BOSSY out in the field,,and ask her if her milk is extra creamy. If she has a high %-butterfat you might have solved the sour flavor. Take the first morning or evening milking. 1-gal is great, set it in a glass gallon jug, NOT PLASTIC and set it..out on the range ( stove top or table), In a few hours or *over night..all the cream rises to the top, now take this and put into a stainless steel pan. On medium low heat, bring to lukewarm, ( like when feeding a baby formula, or just a smidge hot, until almost over warm..( never never over heat or boil or scorch. Removed immediately and pour into Cheese-cloth of triple thickness..( put the cloth over another pan and secure with a string around the lip of the pan..Let this drain well. Then carefully remove and take this to the sink secured into a ball and tie it to the spigot, and run cold water over it several times. Then open the bag, and carefully loosen the
curds..and again secure and run another couple times with cold water..DRAIN well and refrigerate..at least two hours, or over night in air tight container. When ready to use..drain off the excess water ( I use a mash-fine-screen-strainer. You do not want large holes to loose it all. When well strained, of excess water..put the curd into a large enough bowl to add little at a time-pure cold heavy cream, as desired creaminess. Season with Celtic sea salt, and pepper and herbs, to taste. ( do not over do salt if you desire to add any fruits with it) But for salads salt is okay if you desire. We like this method when we are able to get a BOSSY. we can trust being raised on organic pasture.

Footnote * overnight is best before making. And water takes out the sour taste. And this cottage cheese is more natural sweet make this way.

Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

This does not pertain directly to fo + cc, but I think it
might be of interest to people on this list. It has to do with
doctor ignorance. Below are snippets from a very long article (URL
at end) which I found fasinating.
Alobar
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What your doctor doesn't know could kill you
A computer program that provides vast amounts of information for
diagnosing and treating patients could revolutionize the practice of
medicine. So why won't physicians use it?
By Chris Gaither, Globe Staff, 7/14/2002
"The issue is not who is right but how the patient can be helped,"
Cross wrote me in an e-mail. "Physician response to new information,
especially when they have not done their homework, sometimes results
in pretty violent behavior. That is embarrassing to report, but I
have been at this quite a while, and it is a fact of life."
One of the great myths of modern medicine, often perpetuated by the
doctors themselves, is that the physician knows best. As health care
organizations seek ways to make medical care more reliable, some are
installing systems to automate billing and prescriptions. Doctors are
going online to answer e-mail from patients. And a few providers have
sought for years to create databases of patient records that can be
easily accessed by physicians across a health care organization. But
Weed, the creator of Knowledge Couplers, argues that none have truly
explored the most basic limitation confronting doctors: They are
trying to do something they simply cannot do.
Humans, Weed argues, cannot consistently process all of the
information needed to diagnose and treat a complicated problem. The
more information the physician gets about a patient, the more complex
the task becomes. A doctor working without software to augment the
mind, he argues, is like a scientist working without a microscope to
augment the eye.
Some accomplished physicians and scientists who have explored ways to
use artificial intelligence to diagnose patients say that it is
impossible with today's technology. Many other doctors strongly
oppose the mere concept, calling software incapable of matching their
expertise; computers merely get in the way, they argue. But a small
band of physicians and Weed's company's biggest customer, the US
Department of Defense, have begun to use the Knowledge Couplers, and
an early study suggests that their patients are healthier for it. If
the software catches on, Weed's ideas may forever change the way
doctors make decisions, removing much of the mystery and leaving us,
the patients, with more control over our care. Weed's supporters say
the medical industry will one day recognize the genius behind the
software, much as it recognized the promise of Weed's first major
innovation, which changed medicine four decades ago.
Asking doctors to make decisions using their memories alone, he says,
is like asking a travel agent to book a client's journey from
memorized flight schedules.
mong doctors, stories circulate about crack physicians who make
brilliant diagnoses on cases that had puzzled their colleagues. These
hotshots are able to perform superbly the physician's most
fundamental task: Observe the patient, make a mental list of the
symptoms, then match those symptoms with the patterns of a diagnosis.
But what happens when you get sick and aren't seen by such a doctor?
As Dr. Donald M. Berwick, a clinical professor of pediatrics and
health care policy at the Harvard Medical School, says, genius
diagnosticians "make great stories, but they don't make great health
care. The idea is to make accuracy reliable, not heroic."
Weed will tell you that he could teach a 15-year-old to use his
software. He argues that medical schools, or "diploma mills," as he
calls them, teach students to remember the answers to questions they
never asked and memorize observations that they never made. That, he
says, is the antithesis of scientific training.
http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/2002/0714/coverstory.htm

Hi ,
Powerful. Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli
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Sugar..oddly as it sounds, since Mel and I have taken from our kitchen
refined sugar..and started to use STEVIA..we don't even crave sugar. And
very-seldom now even want any, not even STEVIA. Meld is the sugar person
around here..and to see that he has cut down..has Surprised me after having
to keep sugar on the table just for him these many years. Now even the
STEVIA- hardly gets opened. And the other day for him to refuse HONEY was
another SURPRISE. He uses a little STEVIA on his grapefruit, or in some
peach teas. Myself in drinking many beverages, I can use some or leave it.
Luckily I've been all my life not to be a sugar. Now lemon anything I need a
pinch of sugar. But again I never cared for to much honey in my foods, but
can use it with no problems.
When I had the cancer it was the Amish folks that kept telling me to lay off
as it will make cancer grow faster. But I could never find proof of this to
pin-point that down..but I was taking no chances believe me. Anyone that has
had cancer..will do anything to keep that from returning. So if sugar was
one downfall that OUT it GOES. If Sugar feeds cancer, this might be some
clue to dig into as to why does cancer like it..what chemicals are being
worked here? I am not a scientist, so I have no clue how to take this apart
to figure out. Fact is I need to search and see what I might come up with.
I have a neighbor that uses far to much sugar. She insist on 2-3-dinnerwear
spoons full even in her water she drinks. That is like 3-TSP/full. I was
shocked to see anyone put sugar in their drinking water.Now Meld never got
this bad.
My question why do people get hooked on sugar? What is it that their body
must be craving? Or is it more habit than needing it? Can't they find some
other supplement to give energy..or is it just the taste they like?
Love MIz Judy and Mr.Mel

Speaking of eternal destiny:
All the moments of life have a series of consequences to eternity. AC3854
Love consists in desiring to give what is our own to another and feeling his
delight as our own DWL 47
x

In a message dated 7/14/2002 10:57:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
r.muenzer@... writes:
<< Has anyone in this group read the Book By Dr. Budwig
"Flax Oil as a True Aid Against Arthritis, Heart Infarction,
Cancer ....." ????
If so what did you think of page 46 on???
I don't have the book, can you elaborate?
JS

Alternative Medicine Alternative Healing Methods
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solutions for those of you that don't mind taking a few extra minutes to
read and learn.
Gerry Logan

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Exactly, STEWART money is the motive

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Gerry Logan

Hi Lorenzo,
Thanks for your comments. They are much appreciated. Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli
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Hi,
Lest the two that I sent seem to be isolated incidents I will send one more
and assure you that there are others.
Shortly after I began the use of Flaxseed Oil and Cottage Cheese my wife and
I were contacted by a lady in a nearby community.
Her husband, Roy, had been hurting and finally went for a physical and was
referred to the Oncology department at a major East Tennessee university
medical center.
He was so full of cancer that the Oncologists said there would be no point
in treatment. Radiation was tried on his right knee area to see whether the
pain might be stopped but it didn't do any good.
We went to see them and talke about the FO/CC and had the book, "How to
Fight Cancer and Win" by Fischer. We left it for him to read.
Incidentally, there was a full page ad for this book in yesterday's edition
of the Parade Magazine that is included in most of the Daily Sunday Papers
in the US.
Roy began heavy use of the FO/CC and in a few months the doctors at this
medical center wanted him to come in for a checkup of the progress of the
cancers. Maybe they were curious as to why he was still alive.
The tumors were all gone except some in his lower back and right leg. Now
the doctors thought he perhaps could live but felt that if he were to save
his right leg it would take a massive dose of chemo. I have no idea whether
Roy told them what he had done or what they felt caused the remission. The
doctors had done nothing. There had been no other treatment.
His wife left it up to Roy and he decided to go with the doctor's
recommendations.
They gave the heavy dose of chemo and Roy didn't make it out of the parking
lot. He died early the next day.
His wife was in tears as she told us that she had a hard time finding a
doctor who would sign the death certificate so she could get the insurance
and other forms taken care of. She was never able to meet the doctor who
had advised and administered the fatal chemo.
This was one of the most respected group of professionals in East Tennessee.
I will add one thing more. I have not reported just the successes with Flax
Oil, and this was one in spite of the fact the doctors killed Roy. There
have been few cases where the FO/CC did not seem successful and in each case
I can see why and we have learned.
Cliff

Hi All,
Cliff Beckwith, List owner Flaxseedoil2, sent these examples to show the
"anecdotal effectness" of the Budwig diet against the "Doctor knows Best"
Paradox. His title says a lot,that is," AMA or Drug Plant." If it comes down
to a choice, which would you take in these circumstances? [It`s a real
jungle out there, isn`t it?]
Ciao and good thinking, good reading and good health to all. Ciao for now,
Mike Cinelli
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From: "Cliff Beckwith" <spinner@...
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:11:33 -0400
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] AMA or Drug Plants

Hello Cliff and all on the bulletin board,

Read your posting with interest and can only say that bad medicine was practised with the patients you quote. I can't for the life of me see why any doctor would want to go ahead with chemotherapy on patients who, on the face of it, show no clinical lesions and especially when the patients present as practically cured.

I can assure you that this would not happen here in the UK. Our state run National Health Service (NHS), would question any practitioner if unecessary treatment was given. I suppose the base line in the US and other "pay for health!" systems is money. So long as money is the motive then incidents will happen time and time again. No such "incentive" exists here and I say thank god for that.

I've said it before but will repeat, I take no treatment whatsoever for my prostate cancer other than FO/CC and ground flax seed with yogurt. I have no intention in the future of taking any of the so called "conventional" treatments and am quite happy with the improvement regarding my own cancer. Although relatively early days yet, I am quietly optimistic that I will be here in 10 years time. Frankly, I feel better than I have done in quite a while.

Good health to you all and kind regards,

Stewart Hughes

Before you buy this: Check Dean O's recopies for sugar and flour.

Lorenzo

Great Post Mike,

Very clear and very welcome.

Lorenzo

Hi Cliff and ALL
Has anyone in this group read the Book By Dr. Budwig
"Flax Oil as a True Aid Against Arthritis, Heart Infarction,
Cancer ....." ????
If so what did you think of page 46 on???
It may well be more important than Flax Oil!
Ancient Civilizations practiced this!!!!!!!
Hope to get some feedback?!?
Rick

HI,
For awhile I was a member of the cancercured list but I dropped out as I
have too many things to do as it is and I had trouble keeping up with
messages.
This discussion concerning dissenters intrigues me.
I want to give a couple of situations which I have found to be typical
concerning a lot
of the professionals. This is my opinion only.
About 8 years ago I received a phone call from a young woman in a
neighboring area. She was 35. She said she had three children, the oldest
about 9, and her husband had deserted her. She was terminal and had tried
the FO/CC and was so allergic to Cottage Cheese that she couldn't use it.
With apologies to the Soybean argument, I told her what I had heard and that
was that the use of soft tofu with the FO might work as the protein
provider.
I heard no more for about 9 months. Then a beekeeper friend who had
provided the tape to which she listened told me about this young woman. I
never told her I had talked to the lady.
The lady had nine tumors in her chest. They had all shrunk to pinpoint
size. She was almost well. However, the Oncologists told her that she
could not get well with FO and that she should go to -----[A major cancer
center in Middle Tennessee] and take a big shot of chemo. They gave her a
big shot of chemo and killed her; leaving 3 children orphans. She didn't
get out of the center alive.
These Professionals knew that the tumors were almost gone. They were either
incredibly stupid or incredibly more concerned with their own interests than
with the life of a patient. In either case, I felt like they should have
been eliminated from the face of the earth.
2
In another instance when I was first using this material an aunt of one of
our teachers, the wife of John, the pastor of an area church, was found to
have colon cancer. The took out part of the Colon and put her on heavy
chemo.
The aforementioned teacher tried to get her aunt to use FO/CC but her
daughter, a student nurse, told her not to do anything the doctor didn't
tell her to.
Finally her immune system was gone and she had to stay in to prevent getting
a cold or something and dying. Now she began the use of FO/CC and began to
recover. The white count rose and before long she was out in public.
She had an appointment with her Oncologist and told him what she was doing.
He told her the chemo was responsible for the improvement and the FO/CC
hadn't done any good. They got her back on chemo and in a few months she
went into a coma and died. The chemo had destroyed her heart and liver.
John had asked me for a tape and sometime later I went to a night service
there.
In the meantime, I had learned that Betsy, one of the congregation, had a
brother in law, 47, who was already incapacitated with lung cancer. He had
used FO/CC for a few months and had just had a checkup. All that was found
was a little scar tissue.
After the service I was talking to John. He told me that "They killed my
wife!".
I asked him if he had heard about Betsy's brother in law. He said, "I hear
he's pretty bad." I said, "He's well!" John looked at me and said,
"WHAT??" I said, "He's well!"
Betsy was still there and John called to her and asked her how her brother
in law was doing. She Said, "He's well!"
John looked at me, and with all the feeling he could put in it, told me,
"There're going to be doctors in HELL because of this."
I would not wish to trade my eternal destiny with that of the professionals
involved in either of the two examples I have given.
If there are folks on these lists deliberately attempting to confuse anyone
or discredit the use of this material for financial reasons, I would not
wish to have any part of their eternal destiny as well.
Cliff

Thanks Mike, reading those books under a good tree is a fantastic idea, but
in the South, it is over a 100 degrees now. Have to have that good old air
conditioning and wuuld not want to have a stroke or heart attack in this heat
stroke.
Just finished reading a good good book, it was over 400 pages long and
finally finished it.
Cheers to all of you!! Cynthia

You will get on any group trying to do what is right in alternatives, and
have sneaky people and sellers-..getting paid to upset the roots of a group.
Owners of groups must be aways bewared..for at all times, not everyone that
comes on a list can be in the least trusted..until proven one way or another
SCARY better believe it is. This is why we that know of these things, must
not only be-aware, but also mention that we are not Doctors, or scientist:
we are down to earth common people finding a cure, and help for ourselves,
only letting others know what is working for us, may not work for them.
CAREFUL what you post and how you state it.
Here is one example: and I will be careful how I say this..Mel and I were
once asked by a member. if we would like to meet half way cross town, for
dinner? We done some private investigation..and found out..WISE to stay home
One thing about owing a list..we can add or take away members. We can go in
and delete letters. We have the right to run our groups in a manner that is
pleasing to others. So far Natural Well Being has never had to do this.And
it will soon be 3 years October 5th we've been up and running. And When we
opened..we made sure God was the head of our group. And up-front told people
they couldn't advertise..to profit for themselves, but cold tell others that
private letters were welcome if anyone member showed an interest.
When Cliff first opened Natural Well Being, for me to get started..there was
a few people that came in, but my full time member STAFF- questioned their
purpose being right at the front door, right when we were no more than when
a few hours old.Some people come on as argumentives to see how far they can
get another person angry. WELL I hold my ground. Some people that use a list
are so ill themselves, that things upset them more easily. Many come on to
seek answers to their problems,they have no time to argue, or the strength
do do their own research. We have people that are bed-fast, in a wheelchair,
that hardly have the energy to to lift a finger. They want answers..and hope
someone on the list can assist them. We have some right now that are using
some-supports to breathing..whereas any little frustration can cause them to
get more angry..more picky with other members..and it is up to us that are
feeling fairly good to be kinder towardd them..Then we have the everyday
CRANKs..those that nothing whatsoever you say or do will calm them down.
they are the ones that constantly growl..needing a bone-to knawl on. And
they will grouch at whomever happens to be in their way that day. I've been
a target more than once..but I soon let them know this is one gal-you do not
tinker with.
And about a year ago we had more questions about Nature worshipers..and etc
trying to convinence people that rubbing a stone, or etc would cure what
illed them..etc..BUT we knew enough not to answer these kind of letters,
because it would have done the list more harm then good.Soon they got off
the list..but I'mn not saying they didn't try to sneak back in with another
false-name. And many times not just these people, but even some of us,have
to change things for our own protection. There will be crack-pots on any
list we are members of..schemers. Get to know well your group. Listen and
watch even if you are not one to write often, or are just a sit-back reading
only. Caution-first before saying anything.
There are many people using false identities.And many that one day have a
name..sign out come back in with another..but watch their style of writing.
you can spot them a mile away. I could name a few but I will not here. Now
some of us had to change our identities for more than one reason when

Hi Carolyn.
Thanks. Yes, sad, but true.
Regards, Mike Cinelli
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FDA To Require Trans Fat Labeling
July 11, 2002
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Americans trying to avoid artery-clogging trans fat could
find it listed on food labels by next year.
Christine Lewis Taylor, labeling chief of the Food and Drug Administration,
said Wednesday a final rule requiring that the amount of trans fat be listed
could be completed by this fall or early next spring.
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Hello -
interesting?
Peter
July 13, 2002
A Diet Rich in Partial Truths
By DEAN ORNISH
AUSALITO, Calif. - In Woody Allen's movie "Sleeper," a man
wakes up 200 years in the future to find that science has
proved deep-fried foods to be healthy. Is the future here
already?
By now, many Americans are thoroughly exasperated by the
seemingly contradictory information in the press about what
a sound diet is. Lately, I hear many people say, "If the
doctors can't make up their minds, I'll eat whatever I want
and quit worrying."
That would be unfortunate. Science can help people
distinguish what sounds good from what's real. Nowhere are
the claims more conflicting than in the area of diet and
nutrition. Unfortunately, this is an area where
misinformation can make a huge difference to an individual's
health and well-being.
The high-protein diet (which is almost always high in fat),
for example, has become very popular; just about everyone
knows someone who has lost weight on this kind of diet.
Given the American epidemic of obesity, isn't that a good
thing?
Not necessarily. You can lose weight with fen-phen, too, but
that doesn't mean it's good for you. When you go on a
high-protein, high-fat diet, you may temporarily lose weight
- but you may also mortgage your health in the process. The
only peer-reviewed study of the effects of a high-protein
diet on heart function found that blood flow to the heart
actually worsened and heart disease became more severe.
But high-protein diets help people lose weight because they
are based partially on science, which is what makes them
seductive. The high-protein advocates are right when they
say that people in the United States eat too many simple
carbohydrates like sugar, white flour and white rice. These
foods are absorbed quickly, causing blood sugar to spike,
which in turn provokes an insulin response that accelerates
the conversion of calories to fat. There is a clear benefit
to reducing the intake of simple carbohydrates, especially
to people who are sensitive to them.
So the diagnosis is correct: we are eating too many simple
carbohydrates. But the cure is wrong. The solution is not to
go from simple carbohydrates to pork rinds and bacon, but
from simple carbohydrates to whole foods with complex
carbohydrates like whole wheat, brown rice, and fruits,
vegetables, grains and legumes in their natural forms.
These foods are naturally high in fiber, which slows their
absorption, preventing a rapid rise in blood sugar. Fiber
also fills you up before you eat too many calories, whereas
you can eat large amounts of sugar without feeling full.
Best of all, these foods contain at least 1,000 substances
that have anti-cancer, anti-heart disease and anti-aging
properties.
For the past 25 years, my colleagues and I have conducted a
series of randomized studies demonstrating that this
whole-foods diet can reverse the progression of even severe
heart disease in most people. These results have been
published in the leading peer-reviewed medical journals. On
average, our patients lost 24 pounds and kept more than half
of that off for at least five years.
We demonstrated in hospitals throughout the country
(including places where we were told that gravy is a
beverage) that most heart patients were able to safely avoid
bypass surgery or angioplasty by following this diet
combined with moderate exercise, stress management
techniques and participation in support groups. Medicare is
now paying for 1,800 patients to go on this diet. Recently
we found that this program may stop or reverse the
progression of early prostate cancer as well. The more
closely people followed the diet, the more their heart
disease reversed and the lower their prostate-specific
antigen, a marker for prostate cancer, became.
It's not that fats are bad; we just eat too much of them.
Fish oil and flaxseed oil are very good for you because they
provide the kind of fatty acids that can substantially
reduce the incidence of sudden cardiac death and may help
prevent some forms of cancer, but you only need a few grams
a day. And because fat has more calories per gram than
protein and carbohydrates, when you eat less fat, you
consume fewer calories without having to eat less food.
Science can help us sort out conflicting claims. Researchers
now are studying the effects of high-protein diets. It would
be wise to wait for these results rather than discouraging
people from making dietary changes that have been medically
proved to be so beneficial.
Dean Ornish is president of the Preventive Medicine Research
Institute and a clinical professor of medicine at the
University of California, San Francisco. He is the author of
"Eat More, Weigh Less.''
Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company

Very interesting letter, Mike. I had no idea that people would be paid by
pharmaceutical companies to try and destroy the grass-roots movement to
alternative
medicine. Wow. It makes sense. Thanks for your eye-opening letter.
Carolyn

Miz Judy & Mr. Mel wrote:
"I have not read Mike Martin and Janes book yet..and would like to know how
to get one for my Library."
Why don`t you contact Mike Martin and Jane directly?... at :

And the other mike MBullin98@...
Mike please keep those posts coming but I have one request. Would you pls
sign as Mike Martin so you won`t get confused with Mike Cinelli? Mike
Martin has a nice ring. Give it some thought....O.K.? Thanks.
I have not read Mike Martin and Janes book yet..and would like to know how
to get one for my Library. But I have now two new fine books..that I buy
from a used book store..and they always find me as new a book as possible.
One is Choose to Live, by Joseph D.Weissman, MD
take apart and notes as we again read it. Before I was only allowed to take
it out of the library a few days, because it was loaned from another source
to our main branch. The other book is Toxic Relief, By Don Colbert, M.D. And
the other two are FLAX OIL As a True Aid against Arthritis, heart infarction
vancet and other diseases: By Doctor Johanna Budwig, and her other book The
Oil Protein Diet cookbook. Is there any other we might be over looking?
Last night I really like the way I ate the cottage cheese and flaxseed oil.
Mel made a green and leafy salad, and added slices of apples, and grated
carotts, Then I passed up other dressing, and added the c/f-oil NOW that I
liked. And hardly had a oil taste. When done I took an extra slice of
lettuce, and wiped out the bowl to make sure I left no trace of oil behind.
When I looked over Mel wouldn' have passed an etiquette of rule,he showed a
explicit of expertised, a vry fine way to how the tongue, is to be used. If
I'd not known he was human,I'd swear I married a CAT. But he said. " I like
this stuff. And think it was me that didn't think I would is the reason I
never wanted to buy any.But after I talked to Cliff and begin to read, I
could see that it would probably do us more good than harm.But remember I
also said this: " Do you wnat to also take this? Because if not, there is no
sense in wasting money on something to just sit around and spoil with mold
or nasty taste." well I knew deep inside that it would as he put it Probably
work..and secondly I never wanted to see him get prostate cancer as so many
men his age get..and truth is I don't think he was eager to get it either.
His last reports came out so good, we'd hate to see all that change. Now I
may be wrong, and if I am correct us. But certailny as long as we're using
the flaxseed oil with the cottage cheese..we should soon be seeing over a
period of time other healthy results too. And we both have Arthristis and
spinal problems. Not counting some of the other aches and pains.
Miz Judy and Mer. Mel

Hey Mike

Loved the posting. Hope you are well.

kind regards

Stewart Hughes

Hi Jane and Mike,
Thanks for your e-mail and kind words. Let me say that I feel that both you
and Mike have your hearts in the right place. You are both doing a great job
at getting out the flaxseed message in places where it is so needed in the
USA,( and world) today. Jane, your book is about the best I`ve seen for
newbies and oldies alike; for the former to get an overall viewpoint and for
the latter to increase knowledge and useful facts about the whole flaxseed
world. You write extremely well. It is a real contribution to the subject.
I can`t wait for your new book ( hopefully????) bringing in the Dr.
Johanna Budwig combination of Flaxseed oil and low fat cottage cheese. IMO,
the best way to convince people to do scientific studies on Flaxseed oil and
low fat cottage cheese is to put out a book " Flaxseeoil and Low fat Cottage
Cheese, The Anectdotal book of Miraculous stories on Cancer, Arthritis,
Diabetes, Heart Attacks and Strokes." Boy, that`ll be a best seller and
then you can get people`s real attention! Think about it! The anecdotal
stories and case histories are what`s needed to make people further aware of
the benefits. Science can then take its time to catch up which it will, and
in our life time, yet!
Mike, you have developed tremendously from the early days when we first
"discussed" matters. That doesn`t mean there was a deficiency in your
knowledge...no way. What it means is that you developed a lot of finess to
talk about these subjects with the "hardliners" which probably shook you up
in the beginning. It has helped everyone. It`s fun, even if the subject is
serious, eh? You also brought in a lot of scientific information and
measuring techniques, which was a dimension we were all short on. (Greg
Watson did, too.Where is he these days?) . In short, both you and Jane have
helped all of us grow, too, over the months. (Correct, Lorenzo? [ Lorenzo is
another "true blue" contributor]).
Mike please keep those posts coming but I have one request. Would you pls
sign as Mike Martin so you won`t get confused with Mike Cinelli? Mike
Martin has a nice ring. Give it some thought....O.K.? Thanks.
Good health to the both of you , to your family and to all the members of
the lists you follow, Fondest Regards, and Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli
============================================================================

well thought out, and I must say you do your homework! You are correct about
the lurkers on some of the listserves--they probably are paid. Several
months ago I was speaking with someone from a well-known cancer organization
in the US, who in a roundabout way confirmed with me that they pay people to
be on many different list serves, like the cancer cure, etc. I hope you
realize that neither Mike or myself are one of these kinds of people. We
both are self-employed and do not represent any flax organization or
company. We really just want to help people and spread the good news about
flaxseed. We have continued to stay on these list serves, for my goal is to
one day take all this anectodal information and be able to convince someone
to do a study on flax oil and cottage cheese. But, this does take time....
Until then, take care and keep those notes coming!!

Hi Cynthis,
Thanks for your very well expressed e-mail. The term "do gooder" in my book
is an excellent one. The people who want to promote the big Pharmaceutical
companies and thier products call people "do gooders" in a derogatory way
because the "do gooders" stand in their way of excess control and profits.
in short , we are pains in the A----(ankle) for them and they don`t like it
one iota.
Also, I am one of the biggest advocators of the Dr. Budwig protocol and am
an active member of Cliff Beckwith`s two Flaxseedoil lists. In my book,
again, Dr. Johanna Budwig is one of the greates healers of the Twentieth
Century , if not the greatest, and it is Dr. Budwig with her Bio-Chemistry
backgrund, and her deep thinking brain, that has helped thousands with the
cause of a lot of diseases through discovering a deficiency of Omega 3 in
our diets, brought about by the Food Processors and their high heating
methods. She is the one who has put the whole world on the right track
reference "good fats and bad fats".
Thank your lucky stars that people like Jbnsy exist. They are the real "do
gooders" that do it for the love of Humanity, not for the love of money.
Ciao for now and good health to you,your family and all list members,
Mike Cinelli
P.S. Pls find some time to read those books you want to read, and may I
suggest you try to find some good trees with plenty of oxygen to read them
under? Thanks Cynthia. I love your honesty and courage. Mike Cinelli
============================================================================

Dear Mike and all:

Thanks for the comprehensive note. I always enjoy your notes, for they are well thought out, and I must say you do your homework! You are correct about the lurkers on some of the listserves--they probably are paid. Several months ago I was speaking with someone from a well-known cancer organization in the US, who in a roundabout way confirmed with me that they pay people to be on many different list serves, like the cancer cure, etc. I hope you realize that neither Mike or myself are one of these kinds of people. We both are self-employed and do not represent any flax organization or company. We really just want to help people and spread the good news about flaxseed. We have continued to stay on these list serves, for my goal is to one day take all this anectodal information and be able to convince someone to do a study on flax oil and cottage cheese. But, this does take time.... Until then, take care and keep those notes coming!!

Jane Reinhardt-Martin, RD, LD

Author: Flax Your Way to Better Health

www.FlaxRD.com

I am not that good a reader, comprehensively, but I am not a do-gooder
either. After a person who has been down the route of having cancer,
especially being diagnosed as terminal , and then miraclously lives, we try
and help others who are in the same boat.
If it wasn't for Jbnsy (email name) I would have never known about the
flaxseed oil. I had never heard of it, the health food store here in
Texarkana, Texas never brought it up, though we went to the health food store
for alternatives ways of aiding my health. Even went to an accupurtist, and
he had me on soy protein, which was a no-no!!
I took the advice of Jbnsy and if it wasn't for the flaxseed oil, I would
have never recovered from the stroke I had, due to chemo,
The doctors are still amazed that I look so good and have done so well. With
my having that extra scare 5 weeks ago, everyone kept telling me I was cured,
but I proved to be human, and was not cured. I did have a 4 cm water cyst,
which a doctor drained it in my stomach, and I am so blessed that my cancer
markers did fall .
Anyways, whatever anyone thinks, we "go gooders" are here to help others, not
to gain sympathies from others. I could be reading or enjoying myself,
besides writing emails. It takes a lot of time to write emails and since I
am still alive and kicking, we should try to help others.
Cynthia Padley,
Texarkana, Tx

Is Honey Better Than Sugar?
Dear Jennifer and Sue:
Are there advantages to using honey over other sweeteners?
Thanks,
Sarah
There are so many sweeteners available that it can get a bit confusing
deciding which to use. Honey is flower nectar that is collected and
concentrated by honeybees.
In response to your specific question, there is really no nutritional
advantage to using honey over some other sweetener. Ounce for ounce, the
nutrient content of honey is the same as table sugar. The same is true for
Turbinado sugar (raw sugar) and brown sugar. Although some less-refined,
more "natural" sugars may contain minerals (half a cup of evaporated cane
juice has 2mg of iron and 114mg of calcium, for example), you would need to
eat unreasonable amounts for it to make any meaningful contribution to your
diet.
The only sweetener with a nutritional advantage is blackstrap molasses,
which contains 5mg of iron in two tablespoons.
A Word About Sugars
Honey contains mostly fructose, the sweetest of monosaccharides (simple
sugars). Fruits, vegetables and cane sugar also contain fructose. Table
sugar is sucrose (glucose plus fructose). Fructose is sweeter than sucrose,
so some people use honey because they can use less to make something just as
sweet. Honey is denser than table sugar, so it contains more calories per
tablespoon -- but using less may counteract this.
Thanks for your question. I hope this answer dispels any myths you may have
heard about honey and puts it into perspective nutritionally with other
sugars. Of course, from a culinary and flavor standpoint, several
differences between honey and sugars could be advantageous or not depending
on your goal.
Sincerely,
Jennifer Schiano, UVM student
Sue Gilbert, M.S., Nutritionist
RESOURCES: As the season unfolds, the bees visit many flowers to collect
nectar to make honey; these include dandelion, raspberry, blackberry,
alfalfa, white clovers, vetches, basswood, milkweed, goldenrod, and the
asters. On the average, they collectively fly 24,000 miles and visit three
to nine million flowers to make one pound of honey. Honey has never been
heated or filtered, and thus it retains the beneficial traces of pollen,
propolis, and beeswax, which the flowers and bees have put there. These
contain healthful minerals, vitamins, enzymes, amino acids, and
carbohydrates. Honey forms crystals around these particles, which you see on
the surface or by holding a jar up to the light. Within a month or so after
the fall harvest, Apitherapy honey will crystallize. To soften or reliquefy
honey, place it in a warm place or in warm water. Propolis is a mysterious
substance produced by mysterious creatures. Honey bees produce propolis by
collecting resins from trees such as coniferous and poplar species (amongst
others), and combine that with beeswax, pollen and their own amazing enzymes
Propolis is extremely variable depending on bioregion and season.
Since the beginning, beekeepers have observed that honey bees coat the
interior of the hive with this resinous substance. The bees plug holes,
waterproof, polish wax cells and hold the hive together with this glue. The
healthy hive resists bacterial, fungal, and mold attacks. Honey bees are
extremely clean insects. Years ago in Russia and European countries where
beekeeping has a long history, modern scientists began testing propolis in
the laboratory in controlled experiments to prove or disprove the thousands
of years of anecdotal evidence. Scientists and doctors decided to test
propolis on infectious bacteria and viruses. First they cultured various
pathogens which included, Corynebacterium diptheriae (causes diphtheria),
Salmonella typhus B (paratyphus), Listeria monocytogenes(brain membrane
inflammation), Staphyloccoci species(cause of infections and inflammation of
lungs, kidney, brain, middle ear, eyes, meningitis, and was present in the
Asian flu epidemic in the late 1950's), and a proteus, or Pseudomonas
auruginosa (responsible for digestive system disturbances, which on the
whole, antibiotics are no longer effective against).
Then each culture was inoculated with various dilutions of propolis solution
In each case propolis effectively defeated or inhibited the growth of each
of these pathogens. This experiment was also conducted using a "blind". The
scientists performing the experiment did not know that the chemists had
mixed a synthetic propolis, combining resins, balsams, wax and pollen, which
was tested alongside the bee's propolis. It was noted that the "synthetic"
propolis produced little to no effect on the same pathogens. Propolis would
have had less validity if the artificial propolis had produced the same
effects. Thus the key to this synergy is in the beautiful body of the bee
itself; without the bee there could bee no propolis.
After the tests on bacteria, the Microbiological Institute at the University
of Ljubljana, tested propolis on the influenza virus A. This time propolis
was in combination with honey, pollen, and royal jelly. Scientists
inoculated two chicken embryos, one with just the propolis combination, and
the other with the influenza virus A/ propolis combination. The embryo
inoculated with the propolis/honey continued to grow showing that this
combination was not toxic to the organism.
The second inoculation showed strong inhibition of the influenza virus. The
scientists continued the experiment by diluting the propolis preparation,
and showed positive results in dilutions as low as 1:4 million! Bee products
had proven themselves to the scientific world to be effective against
viruses. Other tests have also been done on the herpes virus with equally
positive results.
Doctors at the Oncology institute in Ljubljana performed studies with a
propolis/honey mixture. Patients who were receiving radiation treatment for
malignant tumors of the oral cavity, tongue and throat were chosen to take
the propolis/honey mixture. The radiation treatment the patients received
was usually followed by a secondary infection of the mucous membranes,
radium mucositis. This infection leaves the patients with extremely painful
swallowing and many would choose to not eat, thus further weakening the body
Radiation treatment also disrupts red blood cell counts. The patients given
the propolis mixture either had complete relief from this infection or had
only mild symptoms. The pain and swelling were alleviated to the point where
the patients could eat. Red blood cell counts also stabilized
As beekeepers we can not say that propolis is a medicine. Thousands of years
of results speak for themselves. Validation by the scientific community is
just icing on the cake. Propolis has incredible potential for human kind.
The bees and all that they produce are good for us. How can we ever re-pay
them?
Timothy McFarline

Reply to Linda,and all,

Hi,
One thing i am noticing that I think should be addressed.
Dr. Budwig says that the oil and cottage cheese should be mixed as
thoroughly as possible before eating.
I have a cousin who was mixing a whole bunch of things together in a blender
and it did not have the effect that it should have.
I have come lateley to be careful that I mix or blend the cottage cheese and
flax oil first. Then I add the things that I want to make the taste what I
want and mix that in.
I believe based on what we have seen lately and on what Dr. Budwig has said
that there is a reason, a bonding, between the Omega 3 and the sulfur based
proteins from whatever source before it can be truly effective.
Cliff

Miz Judy,
Can you tell me how you know it is working. What differences can you tell?
Barbara

Honey is not REFINED SUGAR

Friends
I am wondering if anyone knows the answer to this.
We have been told that sugar is what cancer feeds upon and yet the Budwig
diet allows honey to be used in the fo/cc mixture. Now don't me that honey
is not far different than sugar (C6H12 O 6) except for the minerals found in
the honey. I would like to see this dicussed here. Harold

Mixing: and blending, beatong, and folding and tucking,..There may be many
reasons why even recipes have to done just so-so.
I have a few recipes for cakes, that if they are just one pinch over what
the ingredients call for, you could have a flop, or a hole in the middle.
And we have one cake that if not a few of the ingredients being first mixed
seperately, then gradually added to other ingredients, we would have many
unahappy BRIDES. I have one such cake that the vinegar, and food coloring.
etc can not be off one least-bit. And if we over blend it will be a flop.
because overbeating, means to much air as well as not enough. And the
FOLD-lightly..means just that, until everything is in order step, by step. I
ve done this cake handed down from Generations and it always looked so easy
to watch other women make it.WELL my first one wasn't so bad..but the second
one I tried to do it the quuck method..( It din't work..it wouldn't even
raise) So I started the second one and did it exactly what the recipe said
to do. One must use the Swans-down cake flour, ( which I figured Ole' Betty
Crocker, or another generic was good enough ) boy was I fooled.. Then came
the vinegar..another thing to buy the right kind., and one can't subs' food
coloring, liquid for paste..( big, big, NO NO )
So if this has anything to do in mixing the Flaxseed oil with the cottage
cheese..there might be something we are over looking here. I am sure sooner
or later.. someone will find out the real answer on this, and when they do,
they will post back to us of their factual findings. As for myself and Mel
we use a spoon to blend the oil into the cottage cheese, Sort of whipping it
harshly into a circle, folding when necessary to make sure all the oil is
blended in equally..then I like to fold in the fruits, and nuts, or whatever
I choose.Sometimes using it as my dressing with leafty green garden salads.
So far I think it is working for us this way. And we do not always take it
the same time everyday..boy I hope this don't matter? Because with our
scheduals around here, we are not alwys on top of things in a proper order.
Sometimes we don't eat a meal until late evening.sometimes we prefer only
breakfast, all day long, and drink nothing but water, juice the rest of the
day, and snake on popcorn later evening while watching TV
Mercy..now your going to tell me, I am not getting my benefits the way we
are doing this??..Oh! please don't put another frustration on my mind today.
Love Mizz Judy and Mr.Mel

John,

Mix it anyway you'd like. How in the world could the action of mixing have anything to do with the effectiveness of the protocol? It is now and has always been the easiest most convienent method for folks to consume the oil and Sulphur Amino Acids.

Mike Martin

Flax Your Way To Better Health
WWW.FLAXRD.COM

Hello Everybody:

When I received radiation for a month, I could hardly walk but after taking FF/CC my energy improved a lot and I could do my job as asual.

Gaby.

"Miz Judy and Mr. Mel" <mrjau@...

WE have never been disatisfied with using Barleans Flaxseed oil..We make
sure that ours is brought to the store in a refrigerated truck, then
immediately put in the freezer of the store, and never sat on a shelf to
sell. We also know that the helath-food store is fussy about getting in
BARLEANS brand..The only time we ever had problems with a bottle of flaxseed
from Barleans was when we ordered in it the mail..and we think it was not
refrigerated getting here soon enough..But they made it right with us.
SECOND time was when a friend had bought 4- bottles.. and she didn't know
they were to be refrigerated after they arrived, and they got racy. But
being she was a new customer..the store made it right for not mentioning
this to her. Again it was no big deal..but later she brought to us in a
cooler packed with ice our supply.
Right now we are getting down to the nitty-bottom, and will need to go get
another supply in Berlin Ohio, which is not that many miles east of us. And
we know this place is reliable and honest.
No! FLAXSEED oil is not just being used for CANCER..but for the majority of us, we take it to help keep cancer from returning..or under control. There are pepople using it for many diseases. I take it for the cancer control as well as to see if it will help the arthritis, and to give engery. So far I believe it is working. I will know in a few weeks, whether or not I'm ffeeling less joint pains..but again I give credit to many other supplements.And the fact we sprinkle on our foods, many kinds of herbs that agree with us. If you wish to talk personally email me at mrjau@... Miz Judy

Amen to you alobor
but since I love cottage cheese..I manage to get the flaxseed blended in..By
stirring with a spoon. Then I use alot of other foods over it, as I toss it
over a green a leafy salad..Nutmeats seem to also take away the taste I don
t like of the oil. And yes I use BARLEANS fresh..and cold..An still have
troubles not tasting it...Some of us just don't like certain foods..and for
me this is one such food the oil taste.
I am sure no chemist, but I do not think there is any
chemical reaction going on which needs the cc & fo mixed thoroughly.
I would go so far as to say that if they are eaten in the same meal
without any pre-mixing, that would be all that is needed. ut as I
say, I am no chemist. So not suggesting anyone change their
procedure. But maybe if someone has a hard time gagging down the
combo, it might be easier to eat cc & fo regularly if not mixed.
For me, if a food tastes wholesome it will do more for me as I am
open to accepting it into my system. And if I am gagging on it, I
am not real sure how much good it's gonna do me -- no matter what the
books say.
Alobar

Sally and All....
Before I knew anything about Dr. Budwig, I read somewhere that flaxseed oil was good as a source of omega 3 essential oil, and I felt I needed it. So I bought the freshest Barleans oil and mixed it with vinegar and honey. Just as you would make a salad dressing with olive oil. It was simply delicious on greens. The honey and vinegar disguised the flax taste entirely.
Then I read about Dr. Budwig on this board, and realized I had to get the cottage cheese in somehow. Or some other source of sulphered protein. Meanwhile I am finishing a bottle of Udo Erasmus' Perfected Oil Blend which contains a mixture of oils including flax, but also includes oils with Omega 6 and Omega 9 too.
Well this morning I received Dr. Budwig's cookbook, The Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook from Amazon.com. ($12.95) Flipping through it I see that she has 166 recipes using flaxseed oil and either cottage cheese, yogurt, skim milk, or "quark" (found in Europe similar to low fat cottage cheese.)
HOWEVER, she has recipes using gin, bourbon, wine, vodka, rum, brandy, pickles, sourkrout, beets, garlic, cucumbers, horseradish, lemons. cider vinegar, onions, coconut, ginger, buttermilk, mayonnaise, (her recipe in book,) soy sauce, vegetables, fruits, nuts, .............and on and on !!! Somewhere in this book you can find a way to eat the fo/cc in a dish that is palatable.
Sally, get on Amazon.com right away and order this book and get your mum back to health! There surely is something you can cook that she will like. And good luck to all......
Marji

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WE have never been disatisfied with using Barleans Flaxseed oil..We make
sure that ours is brought to the store in a refrigerated truck, then
immediately put in the freezer of the store, and never sat on a shelf to
sell. We also know that the helath-food store is fussy about getting in
BARLEANS brand..The only time we ever had problems with a bottle of flaxseed
from Barleans was when we ordered in it the mail..and we think it was not
refrigerated getting here soon enough..But they made it right with us.
SECOND time was when a friend had bought 4- bottles.. and she didn't know
they were to be refrigerated after they arrived, and they got racy. But
being she was a new customer..the store made it right for not mentioning
this to her. Again it was no big deal..but later she brought to us in a
cooler packed with ice our supply.
Right now we are getting down to the nitty-bottom, and will need to go get
another supply in Berlin Ohio, which is not that many miles east of us. And
we know this place is reliable and honest.
No! FLAXSEED oil is not just being used for CANCER..but for the majority of us,
we take it to help keep cancer from returning..or under control. There are
pepople using it for many diseases. I take it for the cancer control as well as
to see if it will help the arthritis, and to give engery. So far I believe it is
working. I will know in a few weeks, whether or not I'm ffeeling less joint
pains..but again I give credit to many other supplements.And the fact we
sprinkle on our foods, many kinds of herbs that agree with us. If you wish to
talk personally email me at mrjau@... Miz Judy

Hi,
does Barleans have a new number for quantity ordering? I have been dialing
360-384-0485 all morning and am getting no answer, not even a machine.
Thanks.
Kathryn