Open Discusion on .Soy, EFA`s, etc

2008-03-31 19:42:03

Hi Dr Fife, Steve and all.

This article appeared on another newsgroup last year. It is basic to our current discussion on Soy Oil , EFA`s , etc. Coconut oil gets a clean bill of health. Others do not fare so well. Although the article is a bit lengthy, it is certainly good to read in its entirity. I left the initiator`s e-mail address intact and also the phone & fax numbers of the magazine that carried ths interestig info. Good health, good reading and good luck, Mike Cinelli

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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Worm by Nepal sender

2008-03-31 12:31:06

hRAND
Blue type on black background is very hard for me to read.
mjh
In a message dated 6/16/02 1:36:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hrand@... writes:

DearFriends: Many addresses iin my address book have somehow been pirated by one identified as ISU KARKI from Nepal, I think.
I am asking you to reply to me and tell me if you have received such a message. and the subject is "one God, one Faith, one Baptism"
I have blocked the source from my computer.
Harold Rand
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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Negative aspects of FlaxOil?

2008-03-31 06:42:31

offtopic. I'm so sorry to ask the list, but my yohoo email bounced and they
put me on no service. I've emailed them several times and they give me an
automated response saying the same thing (that doesn't fix it). Help please?
Bonnie
BonnieBar@...

Bonnie Bar

2008-03-31 05:12:00

I went back and you are still a member..no need now to worry, as all Cliff
has to do is unbounce your name back to working.. But you also have to make
sure your mail is cleaned out..if you have a full mailbox, nothing can get
in or out.

Worm by Nepal sender

2008-03-30 21:28:21

DearFriends: Many addresses iin my address book have somehow been pirated by one identified as ISU KARKI from Nepal, I think.

I am asking you to reply to me and tell me if you have received such a message. and the subject is "one God, one Faith, one Baptism"

I have blocked the source from my computer.
Harold Rand

Worm Alert Address

2008-03-30 17:21:14

Hi,
I recently received a new computer Processor and it had the Klez virus, a
worm, in several files when I received it..
In addition, we found the Klez virus in 7 other places and programs.
There is a program that locates and deletes the Klez virus. My son has it
and I no longer have the virus.
One hing I dread is getting a worm virus and having it spread through my
address book.
It did not go to anyone on my address book to my knowledge. The first
address in my address book is 1000@...
I fully believe that this proctected my address book from contaminating
others.
I have a ZoneAlarm Firewall up now and we are protected. It will not allow
any thing to enter the computer other than plain text or html messages.
Nothing that is coming in as an attachment will be allowed in. I can
override it if I check all the headers but wish to take the chance but I am
not going to.
Cliff
If there is any message that one wants to forward or send on, it is a simple
matter to highlight part of it and that hit the Ctrl key + the A key. This
highlights the whole thing. Then hit Ctrl and C. This "cuts" or copies
the whole thing that is highlighted.
Then hit the icon that says "create message" or whatever your email program
says and put the cursor in the message area and hit Ctrl + V, or right click
the mouse and when the choices pop up highlight the "paste". Click on
"paste" and the message will be copied in the message area. It is easier
and neater than "replying to author" and is no danger to anyone else's
computor.
Before sending it is easy to delete any unwanted material.
If I receive a message that has an attachment to open, and the text of he
message is not printed, it will not be read. I will not open it. If
anything is recognized by the ZoneAlarm firewall as unusual it will block it
and I will not open it. In that way I will protect others as well.
Cliff

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Fw: A slick trick against e-mail viruses.............

2008-03-30 06:33:46

Did you check this out at www.urbanlegends.com to verify this slick trick before posting to everyone?
mjh
In a message dated 6/15/02 8:06:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hrand@... writes:

All the moments of life have a series of consequences to eternity. AC3854

Fw: A slick trick against e-mail viruses.............

2008-03-29 22:34:14

All the moments of life have a series of consequences to eternity. AC3854

Bruce Fife,N.D., on Flaxseed Oil

2008-03-29 19:03:46

To all Flaxseed List Members,
Here is a most interesting article on Flaxseed Oil by Bruce Fife,N.D., which
appeared on the Cocconut oil website to which some of us subscribe:
http://www.coconut-info.com/facts_on_flax.htm_flax.htm./ I beleive there is
a lot of good in this article but as I answered, Dr. Budwig`s protocl is
not Flaxseed oil alone: It is a combination of Flaxseed oil and
non-commercial low fat quark ( cottage cheese or yoghurt). Those of us who
use it know it`s benefits which can also be found in Dr. Budwig`s
explanations. It`s unfortunate that all of her works are not published in
English because we are at a disadvantage since we don`t know all of what she
has written.
I feel that Bruce Fife has made a real contribution in warning us about some
dangers re: freshness, commercialism, overuse of the oil alone, etc. But I
wouldn`t substitute Fish Oil for my flaxseed plant oil, nor would I stop
using the the Dr. Budwig combination. Having said that, I must also say I
have been investigating adding [Extra Virgin] Coconut oil ( and am
searching for Palm Oil here in Taiwan ,too) to add to my diet in some
manner. The reputation of both of these oils has been desecrated by food
processors , etc.,for too long and I`m glad to see them coming back into
use .Any and all comments are appreciated.
Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli
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THE FACTS ON FLAX
By Bruce Fife, N.D.
excerpted from the book "Saturated Fats May Save Your Life"
GOOD AND BAD
Studies have shown that people who eat as little as one fish meal a week can
reduce their risk of dying from cardiac arrest by fifty percent.1 Fish is
without question the best source for omega-3 fatty acids, because it
supplies EPA, the direct precursor to PGE3, the compound that initiates
protective mechanisms against heart attack. Fish oil supplements are
believed to provide the same degree of protection as eating seafood, but
many nutritionists do not recommend oil from fish liver because of the
possibility of contamination.
Many people nowadays are avoiding all types of meat and meat byproducts,
including fish. These people prefer a vegetable source for omega-3 fatty
acids. Alpha-linolenic acid, which the body can convert into EPA, is found
to some degree in many plants. Flaxseed contains the highest percentage of
alpha-linolenic acid (57%) of any commercially grown plant. Because of its
high alpha-linolenic acid content, flaxseed oil has become the leading
supplemental source for this essential fatty acid.
Over the past several years we have witnessed a flaxseed revolution. A few
years ago no one ever heard of flaxseed, nowadays it's considered a new
super nutrient. It's been hailed as a panacea for many ills. No respectable
health food store would be caught dead without a half dozen assorted
varieties available for sale.
Both good and bad can be said about alpha-linolenic acid and flaxseed oil in
general. Unfortunately, the bad is ignored in preference to promoting only
the good. This has created the misconception that flaxseed oil provides
great benefits with little risks. In reality, there are many risks.
Studies suggest that alpha-linolenic acid may be useful in treating numerous
conditions. The most notable being: cancer, arthritis, irritable bowel
syndrome, hypertension (high blood pressure), heart disease, phrombosis,
dermatitis, lupus nephritis, and in lowering total cholesterol. If it can do
all this, isn't that proof that flaxseed is a useful dietary supplement? It
can appear that way, but if you understand how flaxseed oil works, you would
consider it a dangerous drug to be used with extreme caution just as you
would other powerful drugs, rather than look at it as a harmless dietary
supplement.
The best thing that can be said about alpha-linolenic acid is that it has a
neutralizing or balancing effect against the overconsumption of linoleic
acid found in vegetable oils. Since vegetable oil consumption can lead to
numerous health problems, alpha-linolenic acid can be useful in reversing or
preventing these problems. The reason why flaxseed oil has been shown to be
useful for so many health problems is because vegetable oils cause so many.
Flaxseed can counterbalance these effects. In so doing, however, the body
must suffer the ravages of internal warfare.
So in one respect, flaxseed oil can be very useful. But as a consequence,
the body must suffer with side effects that can be every bit as destructive
as a prescription drug. In most cases, alpha-linolenic acid supplementation
is unnecessary because there are other ways to bring the essential fatty
acids in our bodies into balance without causing further harm.
Since alpha-linolenic acid is extracted from flaxseed, it is considered a
"natural" substance and, therefore, regulated as a dietary supplement.
Supplements, for the most part, are relatively harmless. But because
flaxseed oil is readily available to anyone, and because it is recommended
for the treatment of just about every ailment from stomach ulcers to kidney
disease, it is easy to take too much, and instead of suffering from an
excess of omega-6, like most everyone else, you may suffer from an excess of
omega-3. The effects can be just as bad, if not worse.
DANGERS OF FLAXSEED OIL
Heart Disease
There is a great deal of evidence on flaxseed oil which suggest that it
isn't the best thing to be eating in its concentrated, refined state.
Alpha-linolenic acid from flaxseed affects the liver's ability to process
certain nutrients. For example, it inhibits the production of enzymes
necessary to synthesize cholesterol. Some people may consider this a
positive effect because it lowers the body's total cholesterol level.
Others question any substance that stifles the body's normal metabolic
processes. Cholesterol which is formed in the liver is not the same as the
cholesterol that clogs the arteries. So inhibiting the liver's production of
cholesterol does not affect cardiovascular health. The cholesterol that
contributes to plaque in the arteries is oxidized cholesterol. Non-oxidized
cholesterol does not clog arteries, but is used in cell membranes. nerve
tissue, and as part of the brain, and therefore is an important and
necessary component of our bodies.
Our intestines absorb fats from the foods we eat and package them together
into small bundles called lipopro-teins. Lipoproteins are then released into
the bloodstream and transported throughout the body. As they are carried
through the circulatory system, fat is dispersed and picked up by our cells.
Polyunsaturated oils, including flaxseed oil, are easily oxidized. When it
oxidizes it kicks off a series of free-radical chain reactions that affects
all molecules around it. Millions of molecules can be destroyed or oxidized
by the generation of a single free radical. Cholesterol that is in close
proximity to a polyunsaturated oil that is becoming oxidized, as is the case
in lipoproteins, will also become oxidized. These oxidized, free-radical
damaged oils are absorbed into the lining of the artery walls and contribute
to the formation of plaque. Non-oxidized fats are incorporated into the
cells as they should be, and do not end up as plaque deposits. Here is the
warning: even though alpha-linolenic acid may lower total cholesterol, it
actually contributes to atherosclerosis and all forms of cardiovascular
disease. It does this by causing the oxidization of cholesterol and other
fats, both of which are components to arterial plaque.2
All polyunsaturated oils provide a source of free radicals which can damage
arterial walls which initiates the plaque-building process. PGE2 derived
from vegetable oils constricts blood vessels and increases platelet
stickiness, which raises blood pressure and causes further damage to
arterial walls. When injury occurs to the artery in this type of
environment, oxidized fat is attracted to and incorporated into the injury
site. Because platelets become sticky, blood clots easily form on injured
artery walls. These clots can grow big enough to block an artery or break
off and float down and lodge into a smaller artery. When an artery is
clogged, cells are deprived of much needed oxygen, causing tissue death. In
the heart it can cause a heart attack; in the brain it can cause a stroke.
Studies show that lipid peroxides (oxidized vegetable oils) are associated
with coronary heart disease, caused by enhanced free-radical formation.3
It is interesting to note that the countries that consume the most vegetable
oils are also the ones that have the highest death rate from heart attack
and stroke.
The effects of free-radical damage and plaque buildup are partially offset
by the fact that PGE3 from the alpha-linolenic acid in flaxseed oil makes
platelets in the blood less sticky and diminishes vasoconstriction (widens
artery passageways), so positive results could be deducted. The stickiness
of the blood and widening of the artery passageways are temporary benefits
that occur only as long as PGE3 is in the blood. PGE3 has a short life so
must be replenished continually to retain benefits. Plaque, on the other
hand, represents long-term damage that won't just go away once the cause has
been removed. In brief, what I'm saying here is that flaxseed oil can have
short-term benefits, but because it is highly susceptible to free-radical
generation, in the long run it can actually contribute to cardiovascular
disease. It's ironic that a substance recommended to help prevent heart
disease can actually contribute to it!
This may be difficult for some people to believe because many people who
are at high risk of having a heart attack have been able to reduce their
symptoms (such as lower blood cholesterol and blood pressure) after taking
flaxseed oil. One well-known nutritionist (name of this person, with whom I
am personally acquainted, is not included so as to protect privacy) who
promoted the use and benefits of omega-3 fatty acids as healthy for the
cardiovascular system and even wrote a popular book about it, suffered a
heart attack himself. He was considered an expert on the health benefits of
flaxseed oil. He ate very little meat, avoided saturated fat like the
plague, and faithfully took flaxseed oil supplements every day for many
years. But it didn't work. Flaxseed oil helped to keep his cholesterol level
and blood pressure within normal ranges, but he still developed
cardiovascular disease and suffered a heart attack. The flaxseed oil only
masked the symptoms, it did not prevent the disease. It is interesting to
note that he ate a heart-healthy diet full of fresh fruits and vegetables
and low in animal fats. But he continued to supplement his diet with
vegetable oils, particularly flaxseed oil. If it didn't protect him, how can
we expect it to help us?
Keep in mind that I am referring primarily to oxidized flaxseed oil, the
type that is usually sold as a dietary supplement and not fresh oil. Some
brands of flaxseed oil are preserved with natural antioxidants such as
vitamin E which will prolong their shelf life. But even they will oxidize if
too old or not stored or handled properly.
The oil industry tries to downplay the danger of free-radical damage that
can be caused by flaxseed and other polyunsaturated oils. They admit that
oxidation of their products poses a potential problem, but stress the
benefits outweigh the risks. They have done a great deal of research and
have accumulated a long list of health conditions for which flaxseed and
other oils have shown to be of benefit. Many of these degenerative
conditions, as you have seen, are a result of too much linoleic acid from
vegetable oils rather than from a deficiency in alpha-linolenic acid. Just
simply reducing the intake of vegetable oils is all that is needed to
reestablish the body's balance.
A Safe and Natural Product?
One of the loudest claims we hear for the use of flax-seed oil is for its
cancer-fighting ability. Cancer is the second leading cause of death in
Western countries. If alpha-linolenic acid from flaxseed oil can prevent or
cure cancer it would be a very valuable remedy. Many studies have been
undertaken which show alpha-linolenic acid has potent anticancer properties.
There is no question in this regard, the studies are clear. Because
alpha-linolenic acid comes from flaxseed oil, which is considered a
"natural" product, the health food industry and natural health care
practitioners have embraced it as a miracle worker.
There are some problems, however. Flaxseed oil can hardly be classified as a
"natural" product. It is highly processed and refined, making it no more
natural than white sugar (or even aspirin which originally came from the
bark of the white willow tree). Many of the synergistic elements of the
whole plant are removed to obtain a pure oil. just as all the
phytochemicals, vitamins, and minerals are removed from sugar beets to make
sugar (or the willow plant to refine aspirin, although nowadays aspirin is
synthetically manufactured). The oil resembles a drug more than a food.
Depending on your viewpoint of medicine, this isn't necessarily bad, but it
certainly can't be considered natural.
I classify flaxseed oil as a drug, because that is how it works against
cancer. Most people who hear that flaxseed oil has anticancer properties
assume it to be a safe natural product without harmful side effecs that will
protect them from cancer. Many start taking it regularly just as a
precaution. What they don't know. and what the oil industry doesn't
publicize, is that the anticancer properties of flax-seed oil are a result
of free-radical damage to cancerous tissues and not to any healthful
properties of the oil itself!
Flaxseed oil and other polyunsaturated oils create so many destructive free
radicals in the body that they can actually kill cancer cells.4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11
The theory behind this process is that cancer cells are diseased and,
therefore, weakened. Free-radical reactions will further weaken and kill
these cells. Although free radicals affect the entire body, including
healthy cells, the weakest cells will die off first. This is the same type
of process that happens in chemotherapy.
Chemotherapy drugs are highly toxic and affect the entire body. The cancer
cells, being abnormal, are less capable of resisting these drugs, are the
first to die. The entire body is poisoned in the process, but normal cells
are better able to withstand and recover from the drugs. Flax-seed oil is
used in exactly the same manner and is, therefore, no different than
chemotherapy drugs.
The most obvious drawback to chemotherapy are the side effects. While
chemotherapy drugs attack the entire body, the strongest effects take place
where cells grow (he fastest such as the bone marrow, the intestinal lining,
the hair follicles, and the mouth, sometimes causing a variety of severe
side effects. The side effects from flaxseed therapy can be just as
damaging. This is not a harmless nor a natural remedy for cancer.
The effects of free-radical damage from flaxseed oil are not immediately
evident. Your hair doesn't fall out after a couple of months of treatment
like it might with chemotherapy. The damage caused by free radicals may not
surface for several years. By this time, the effects of degeneration may be
attributed to any number of factors and thus divert the blame away from the
real cause.
Researchers know that it's the free-radical chain reactions that kill the
cancer because when antioxidants, such as vitamin E, are given at the same
time, flaxseed oil has no anticancer effects. The vitamin E stops the
oxidation of the oil within the body and thus prevents the formation of free
radicals. Without free radicals roaming around inside the body tearing up
the cells, the cancer remains unharmed.12,13
It's interesting to note that vitamin E is also known to have anticancer
properties. But it works in a totally different way, supporting the body's
natural healing mechanisms rather than poisoning it.14 Our cells naturally
contain antioxidants to protect them against renegade free radicals, but if
free-radical exposure is excessively high, as it can be when large amounts
of vegetable oils are consumed, they will exhaust the cells antioxidant
reserves and cause cellular damage.15
While polyunsaturated oils can be used to fight cancer, they have also been
shown to cause it as well. Studies have shown that oils rich in linoleic
acid (omega-6) promote the growth of cancer cells while fish oils can
depress or stimulate tumor growth depending on the dose.16 Too many omega-6
derived prostaglandins (PGE2) encourage breast cancer.17,18
Free-Radical Cures
The concept of using free radicals from polyunsaturated oils to fight
cancer has been applied to other pathologic conditions. Flaxseed oil has
been used successfully to kill the microscopic parasites which cause
malaria. It has been noted that individuals who have low antioxidant
reserves. for one reason or another, are known to be more resistant to
malaria. Exposure to substances that produce free radicals provides
ammunition to attack and kill the parasites. While having an antioxidant
deficiency is not desirable because it allows free radicals to damage
cells, it also allows those same free radicals to destroy troublesome
microorganisms. In people who do not have an antioxidant deficiency,
flaxseed oil can generate enough free radicals to overcome the body's
reserves and kill the parasites which cause malaria.19
Polyunsaturated fat-induced free radicals have also been shown to be toxic
to other microorganisms. Researchers have shown it to inhibit the growth of
Helicobactor pylori bacteria which is credited with causing 90 percent of
all stomach ulcers.20
Take a moment and consider this: if free radicals can kill rapidly growing
cancer cells and microorganisms roaming around our bodies, what do they do
to our own cells? It is assumed that normal cells are not affected by free
radicals because they contain antioxidant bodyguards. But these reserves
can be quickly depleted by repeated free-radical attack. It is assumed that
cancer cells lack adequate antioxidant defenders and so are more
susceptible to the destructive action of free radicals. The lack of
antioxidants in diseased cells, however, may have been one of the reasons
why cancer developed in the first place. Free radicals can interrupt the
cell's ability to function normally, causing it to become cancerous. This
may be one reason why linoleic acid from vegetable oil promotes cancer (see
references above). Flooding the body with more free radicals to treat any
illness seems crazy. It may provide some help immediately, but in the long
run it could cause serious physical degeneration and illness.
Inflammatory Disease
Flaxseed oil has also been recommended as an aid in treating a variety of
inflammatory diseases. Since PGE3, which is synthesized in the body from
flaxseed oil, has an anti-inflammatory effect, it makes sense that it would
also help reduce inflammation caused by inflammatory illnesses. Some of the
inflammatory conditions that flaxseed oil has been recommended for include
arthritis, allergies, psoriasis, chronic bronchitis, and colitis.
Inflammation in itself is not a disease; it is a natural and essential
process in the body's effort to fight disease and speed healing. The
inflammatory process is an important part of our body's system of healing
itself. Normally, inflammation speeds healing.
Chronic inflammation is caused by a chronic health problem. Inflammation is
the body's healing response to that problem. Inflammation, however, promotes
swelling and the buildup of pressure which increases pain. Reducing
inflammation reduces the pain, but it also hampers the body's ability to
heal itself. Anti-inflammatory medications do nothing to heal the
condition, they only lesson the pain. It's nice to reduce pain, since most
of us don't like it, but in doing so you also reduce the body's ability to
heal itself. Also, since pain is removed there is a tendency to overuse the
injured tissues causing further damage and encouraging more inflammation.
More anti-inflammatory medications are needed and the cycle continues with
the diseased or injured tissues getting worse and worse. The reason
anti-inflammatory medications are used is because there isn't anything else
medically that can be done to relieve the symptoms. So it's a catch-22
situation.
The production of PGE3 is only part of the reason why flaxseed oil reduces
inflammation. A far stronger anti-inflammatory mechanism is actually at
work here. The effectiveness of flaxseed in suppressing the body's
inflammatory response mechanism is related to the destructive action of free
radicals.21,22
Yes, free radicals again. Much like its effect on cancer, free radicals
attacking the cells will suppress the body's ability to respond to injury
and disease, thus reducing inflammation. Contrary to popular opinion,
researchers have shown time and time again that flaxseed oil and other
poly-unsaturated oils depress the immune system and hamper the body's
ability to heal.23,24,25,26,27
Flaxseed oil and other polyunsaturated oils (i.e., linoleic acid,
gamma-linolenic acid, DGLA, AA, EPA, and DHA) suppress the production and
activity of our white blood cellsthe work force of our immune system. In
fact, these oils can even kill them.28 These are the cells that attack and
clean out invading microorganisms, cancer cells, toxins, and other harmful
substances from our bodies. They are vital to our health and must be present
in large enough numbers to repel attack from viruses and bacteria. When we
get an infection, the body's inflammatory response kicks in, stimulating the
increased production of white blood cells to fight the invaders. The more
white blood cells we have surging through our veins, the stronger will be
our defense and the quicker our recovery. Vegetable oils, therefore, slow
our recovery from both acute infectious illness as well as from chronic
disease. Inflammation is reduced, not by PGE3, but primarily by this
destructive action of free-radical stress on the immune system. It
suppresses the body's ability to heal itself and in so doing, inflammation
response is reduced.
Depressed Immunity
Oil manufacturers and the health care providers who believe their propaganda
claim that flaxseed oil and other polyunsaturated oils will stimulate the
immune system. They may even be able to cite studies to prove their
position. Sounds good, but it's only partly true.
Polyunsaturated oils have both a stimulatory and depressive effect on the
immune system. We never hear about the depressive effectsthat doesn't sell
products. The stimulatory effects aren't that wonderful either, and can be
misrepresented as being beneficial. Let me explain.
Studies show (see references above) that essential fatty acids interfere
with the normal production of certain substances produced by the white
blood cells in the process of fighting an illness. It's like a prankster
turning the water hose off while firemen are spraying down a raging fire.
These oils hamper the normal function of the white blood cells. In this
respect they depress the immune system's ability to function at the level
for which it was designed.
At the same time these oils also act as a stimulant, the same as any toxin
or disease-causing germ might. The body recognizes a harmful substance and
is stimulated into feverish activity to protect itself. This is how
polyunsaturated fatty acids "stimulate" our immune system. They are not
strengthening the immune system, they are stressing it! Why would the white
blood cells start producing substances to protect the body when they
encounter polyunsaturated oil? Think about it. What causes the immune system
to kick into high gear? It does so in response to a threat to health. When
the body senses a threat from any toxic substance it signals the immune
system into increased activity. To say flaxseed oil is good for you because
it stimulates the immune system is like saying small pox and bubonic plague
are good for you because they, too stimulate the immune system.
When we consume polyunsaturated oils, it is like eating a group of
arsonists who run around our bodies lighting little fires (starting
free-radical chain reactions). The fire department, or our immune system, is
called into action to douse these potentially lethal fires. The firemen (the
white blood cells) are stimulated into action, but if their hoses are turned
off by free-radical pranksters, they are ineffective in accomplishing their
mission.
To credit flaxseed oil for stimulating the immune system is like crediting
arsonists for calling out the fire department and then sabotaging their
water hoses. The overall effect of eating any polyunsaturated oil is to
burden and depress the immune system.
The immunosuppressive effects of vegetable oils have been known for many
years. Ray Peat, Ph.D., explains that "Vegetable oil is recognized as a drug
for knocking out the immune system."29 At one time "vegetable oil emulsions
were used to nourish cancer patients, but it was discovered that the
unsaturated oils were suppressing their immune systems. The same products,
in which vegetable oil is emulsified with water for intravenous injection,
are now marketed specifically for the purpose of suppressing immunity in
patients who have had organ transplants. Using the oils in foods has the
same harmful effect on the immune system."30 Unsaturated fats not only
suppress the immune system but can even kill white blood cells.31
You have to be very careful when someone tells you some substance
"stimulates" the immune system. Does it stimulate it like bubonic plague or
small pox or does it support it like vitamin C? There is a world of
difference. The first stimulates it into action to defend itself while the
second does not "stimulate" it but strengthens it, making it work more
effectively.
Vitamin E Deficiency
Another threat that can result from the overconsumption of flaxseed oil and
as well as other polyunsaturated vegetable oils is vitamin E deficiency.32
Polyunsaturated oils, because they are extremely vulnerable to oxidation and
free-radical formation, quickly devour our vitamin E reserves. Vitamin E
acts as an antioxidant that stops free-radical chain reactions. In the
process, vitamin E is consumed. The most obvious consequence of depleted
vitamin E reserves is that we lose our most important bodyguard against
free-radical destruction. Without sufficient vitamin E reserves,
free-radical chain reactions and damage can wreak havoc on our bodies,
allowing free-radical wrecking crews to roam through our bodies with little
restraint. Since free radicals are involved in numerous degenerative
conditions and accelerated aging, this can have a pronounced effect on
overall health and put a heavy burden on the immune system.
When the body loses vitamin E, it causes the breakdown and destruction of
red blood cells, producing anemia. People who are anemic may believe their
condition is due to lack of iron when it is really caused by a lack of
vitamin E resulting from the consumption of too much flaxseed or vegetable
oil. Very few people are actually deficient in iron. especially nowadays
with vitamins readily available and so many foods being fortified with this
mineral.
Vitamin E is necessary for healthy nerves and muscles. A lack of the vitamin
can cause degeneration and weakness which can make walking difficult, even
causing severe pain in calf muscles and a loss of coordination.
Breast lumps and cancer can also result in the depletion of vitamin E
reserves.33 The most common cause of breast lumps is fibrocystic breast
disease. In recent decades. fibrocystic breast disease has become a very
common affliction among women in Western countries. Although the majority
of these tumorous masses are benign, as much as 20 percent may be malignant.
Some manufacturers add vitamin E to their oil supplements. They don't do
this to help you prevent deficiency necessarily, they do it to preserve the
oil because they know it is oxidizing while it is sitting in the warehouse
and on the store shelves. By the time you eat it, the vitamin E has been
used up so it provides you no nutritive value from this vitamin.
MONEY TALKS
True blue flaxseed fans will find the statements made in this chapter hard
to accept because they have heard over and over again how good flaxseed is
for us. Of course you hear this; it comes from the people selling the
product and from people brainwashed by marketing propaganda. I didn't make
up these facts. The research has proven it. You never hear about the
negative aspects of these oils because the dissemination of research
information is done by the food and supplement industry. They are naturally
biased in the material they publicize. Nobody is going to spend money
publicizing negative information, because there is no profit in it. You
can't make money by not selling a product. So all you ever hear are the
positive things. You hear flaxseed is good against cancer and inflammatory
disease, but you never hear why it is. We just assume that because flaxseed
is a so-called "natural" product, it must be good for us.
I must clarify one point. Flaxseed can be useful just as any drug can be for
certain conditions. But like other drugs, it has serious side effects. The
damage caused by vegetable oils works slowly so the effects may not
manifest themselves for years. By that time the physical deterioration
caused by free-radical damage will be credited to age, genetics, or some
other cause. If you believe in using drugs, then go ahead and use flaxseed
oil. If you want to avoid drugs and prefer to use natural, harmless,
remedies, you don't want flaxseed or any other polyunsaturated oil
supplements. Flaxseed oil supplements can be useful like any other drug,
but they are not natural and they are not harmless!
While I've focused on flaxseed oil in the above discussion, when I refer to
vegetable oils I am referring to all vegetable oils, both those used in
cooking and those sold as supplements. You hear a lot about evening
primrose, black currant, and borage oils. These oils are predominantly
composed of linoleic acid (omega-6) and affect the body in the same way as
cooking oils do. Since most of us consume far too much linoleic acid as it
is, taking this oil in supplemental form just compounds the problem. Like
flaxseed oil, they generate free radicals, suppress the immune system, etc.
Researchers have expressed caution in their use.34,35,36,37
If someone recommends that you take flaxseed oil, evening primrose oil, or
any other oil supplement, ask them why? What will it do for you? They may
say it lowers cholesterol, reduces inflammation, or whatever. Then ask them
how it works? Ask them what is the mechanism that makes the oil do what it
is supposed to do? Listen to their answer. Chances are, they don't know.
Most people, including health care practitioners, don't have any idea how
the oils work. They just take it on faith from what they have heard or read
somewhere. Many health care practitioners get their information from
marketing materials distributed by drug and supplement companies. Many
authors who write health books and magazine articles get their knowledge
from the same sources. These aren't reliable resources! They're
advertisements and, therefore, very biased, and at times, misleading.
After all, their purpose is not to educate, but to sell a product.
Will you take these oils to reduce inflammation even if you know free
radicals are the primary reason they work and that they are destroying cells
throughout your body at the same time? Will you take them to reduce
cholesterol even though you know they inhibit normal liver function and may
cause liver stress or even damage? That is the decision you must make. If
you had a sliver in your finger, would you chop off your finger to prevent
infection? No, there are simpler, safer methods of dealing with the problem.
The fact that omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids can be detrimental to your
health goes contrary to most of the things you hear about these oils. Again,
this is because the food and drug industry has brainwashed us into believing
this.
In writing this book I've avoided company propaganda and gathered all my
facts directly from scientific and medical journals and from first-hand
observation and clinical studies. This book was written to awaken the public
to the plain facts on oils and health.
PRECAUTIONS FOR USE OF FLAXSEED OIL
Despite the health hazards of flaxseed oil, there may be incidences where it
can be useful for a limited amount of time under the supervision of a
knowledgeable health care professional. For example, if your blood pressure
is dangerously high, it can help to lower it quickly. But it should be used
only as a temporary measure while other, safer but slower methods, such as
diet and lifestyle changes, have time to take effect.
Like linoleic acid (omega-6) from vegetable oil, alpha-linolenic acid
(omega-3) from flaxseed oil is polyunsatu-rated. What this means is that it
readily oxidizes to form destructive free-radical chain reactions. In this
respect, alpha-linolenic acid is worse than linoleic acid because it is even
more polyunsaturated and, therefore, more susceptible to oxidative damage.
Linoleic acid has two carbon double bondsthe sites where free-radical
reactions occur. Alpha-linolenic acid has three carbon double bonds. While
linoleic acid is twice as likely to be degraded by oxidation as oleic acid
(a monounsaturated acid like olive oil), alpha-linolenic acid is three times
more susceptible to oxidation.
Because flaxseed oil oxidizes very easily you must keep it tightly closed
and stored in the refrigerator. Never buy flaxseed oil that is not
refrigerated or not stored in a dark bottle. Oxygen, heat (even room
temperature), and light break down flaxseed oil very quickly. Flaxseed oil
should be used within a month or so after purchasing. It should not taste
like turpentine or household paint, but have a mild, pleasant taste. If it
tastes bad, it's far too oxidized and you are doing more harm to your health
than good by eating it. The biggest problem with many flaxseed oil
supplements is that they are too old, even before you buy them. After they
are manufactured and bottled, they sit in warehouses, trucks, and store
shelves for who knows how long. Most flaxseed oil is rancid, even those in
capsule form.
The flaxseed itself, rather than the oil, would be a better source for
alpha-linolenic acid because the oil in the seed remains fresh, for the most
part, until the seed is broken (ground) or heated, and retains all the
natural antioxidants, vitamins, and minerals found in the seed.
FLAXSEED MEAL AND FIBER
Because flaxseed oil supplements are often degraded by oxidation, they
become a health hazard. Some of the alpha-linolenic acid will still be
converted into PGE3, but a lot will just cause destructive free-radical
chain reactions. A much safer source for alpha-linolenic acid from flax is
through the seed itself.
The seed eaten whole or ground into a meal provides health benefits
unrelated to its oil content. Many of the health claims you hear attributed
to flaxseed oil are not really a product of the oil, but of the fiber in
the seed.
Flaxseed is high in fiber, particularly lignans. This fiber helps to move
digested food particles through the digestive tract, increasing bowel
movements, pulling toxins and cholesterol out with it, and thus promoting
intestinal health. Because of its ability to remove carcinogenic
substances, it is useful in the prevention of colon cancer.38
Flaxseed ground into a meal and added to flour and then baked into muffins
has shown to lower total cholesterol. This is due to the ability of the
fiber to bind with cholesterol-rich bile acid and carry it out of the body.39
Lignans have antioxidant effects that help to keep the oil in the seed from
oxidizing before and after it's been eaten and helps to support the
antioxidant processes in our bodies.
Intestinal bacteria convert some of the lignans into hormone-like compounds
called phytoestrogens. These phytoestrogens, or plant estrogens, bind to
estrogen receptors in the cells and produce estrogen-like effects which
influence hormone production, metabolism, and biological activity. This
process provides protection against some types of cancer, particularly
breast, colon, and prostate cancer.40,41,42
These phytoestrogens also exert some degree of protection against the loss
of calcium and so have been considered of possible benefit in treating
osteoporosis.43
The greatest degree of protection comes to those who have a healthy
digestive tract because the type of flora present will affect the production
of the phytochemicals.
Keep in mind that it's the fiber content in the flaxseed that produces these
benefits and not the oil. In fact, flax-seed oil in some cases can have the
opposite effects. Some studies show that too much of the oil can contribute
to calcium loss in bones.44
In order to get the most benefit from the lignans and other fibers in
flaxseed, as well as the oil, flaxseed must be ground before eating. Whole
flaxseed can be eaten, but it simply goes through the body without doing
much. Flax-seed should be eaten as soon as possible after is has been ground
into a meal. Once the seed has been broken, it is exposed to oxygen, and
the enzymes and antioxidants that have kept the oils fresh now rapidly
disintegrate. The longer the meal sits before it's eaten, the more oxidation
or free-radical damage occurs. It's just like an apple. The inside will
stay fresh and white for weeks, but after it is cut and exposed to oxygen
in the air, it takes only a few minutes to turn brown. The brown is caused
by oxidation just as oxidation affects the exposed oils in the flaxseed.
Fresh flaxseed contains antioxidants such as vitamin E. The antioxidants are
necessary for the stability of the oil both in the seed and in the body.
When oil is extracted and refined, the natural antioxidants disintegrate
rapidly. The oil loses its protection and quickly becomes rancid.
Flaxseed meal can be added to any baked or cook dishbreads, muffins,
pancakes, casseroles, etc. You should not eat it raw! Raw flaxseed contains
a toxin called thio-cyanatea cyanide-like compound. This toxin can be found
in the blood after eating raw flaxseed. Cooking neutralizes this compound,
making it harmless.45,46 By far the best way to eat flaxseed oil is in its
natural state by grinding the seed into meal and adding it to a cooked dish.
©1999 by Bruce Fife. Reprinted with permission of author and publisher.
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FlaxseedOil and ?

2008-03-29 16:11:24

will
want to read this very thorough article on the facts about Flax by Dr.
Bruce
Since Dr. Bruce and Dr. Mercola do not mention Dr. Budwig who recommends NOT
taking very much flaxseedoil unless it is mixed with a complementary
sulferated protein such as Cottage Cheese.; May I recommend reading about
Dr. Budwigs work with flaxseed oil.
Flaxseed oil and Cottage Cheese is an old Russian-German home remedy

Negative aspects of FlaxOil?

2008-03-29 12:12:50

Hi,
This is part of another article that was sent to me privately by Michael W.
This has a couple of things on which I want to comment. As I said on
another post, I am not an expert on the technical aspects of this. In fact,
I don't really understand them.
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[animal studies21 22 23 24 usually find ALA to be associated with a
protective effect, though both lines of evidence remain relatively weak in
terms of their relevance to effects in humans.
Therefore, the effect of ALA as an isolated substance, and of flaxseed oil
on the risk of cancer in humans remains unknown, with most animal and test
tube studies suggesting protection, and some preliminary human trials
suggesting cause for concern. It is premature to either suggest that ALA and
flaxseed oil will either cause or protect against human cancer at this
time.]
********************************
My comments:
If anyone of our research experts really want the answer to the last
sentence in the above segment, all they have to do is visit Dr. Budwig and
study her work and results. She would be happy to have them. She considers
her work of great importance and significance and will share it if anyone
wishes who is a medical researcher.
If I, and millions of others, wait on our career researchers to figure it
out I and the millions of others will be long dead. I cannot wait if the
information I seek has been done; even if it has been done by a German
Scientist.
If anyone really wants to see the effect of flaxseed oil on human cancers
let them get a lot of people and do a study on people who are already using
it all over the US and some other countries who cannot wait on our researdh
people to redo a job that has already been done.
Incidentally, it may be happening, but I have not seen a case of breast
cancer so far that has not responded positively with the use of FO/CC
according to the Budwig Protocol.
I thank God that I was made aware of it and am still living. Some very
positive things have happened to different folks including some relatives
because God kept me living. No Glory to me, I was just the tool.
Cliff

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Cancer Salves! They seem to be beneficial for some.

2008-03-29 02:49:39

In a message dated 6/14/2002 1:31:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lorenzo1@... writes:
<< I recommend anything that works on horses.
I am on the Budwig protocol; at least I am open minded enough to look into
supplemental modalities. I won't go into your comment but many drugs,
surgeries, herbs, (etc) that are used on people are used on animals first
because reserachers are too cautious to try them on humans. There are many
ways to skin a cat and Budwig's is just one of them. If others on the list
weren't interested in checking out other cures, they would not have mentioned
them in the first place.
JLS

Comments

2008-03-29 02:07:41

Hi,
I am far from an expert. I am searching for answers as I go along.
However, I have some comments from thoughts that came to me as I read this.
I think that Mike Cinelli has already addressed the main situation but I
will add some observations.
To me, there is only one thing that matters. That is whether or not the
person using the Budwig Protocol lives and gets better or dies.
If that measure were applied to the "tried and true approaches using chemo"
the drug companies would be out of business.
This article is based on research that is not using the sulfur based
proteins and is apparently not using fresh flax oil. It is definitely not
based on the Budwig Protocol and therefore irrelevant.
It speaks of the difficulty of handling fresh flax oil. Baloney! One does
what is necessary to keep it fresh and unoxidized.
It arrives in three days by air or 7 days by surface carrier and goes in the
freezer. There is no problem whatever.
I used to think based on what I had seen and heard of DR. Budwig that this
was the magic bullet. I don't think that now. I have downgraded it in my
mind to a powerful weapon that is effective in the vast majority of
situations. If people remained under Dr. Budwig's supervision I believe it
is very close to the magic bullet, but we do not apply her dietary
recommendations that closely; at least a lot of us don't.
I am not a technical expert on exactly what happens. I would not use old or
substandard material. I want it fresh and cold. If these men would work
with the Budwig Protocol and be very careful that all was of the best
quality and with proper diet and there poor results I would eliminate this
list. However, no one in the Americas is doing this.
When people that are given up to die use the Budwig Protocol and recover the
doctors "are amazed" and wonder what happened. That means far more to me
than research that is not based on the same procedures that are being used
by Dr. Budwig.
I know by this time that there are many differences in the same general
cancer category. I know men who have used this alone with PCa and are well.
Mine isn't. Mine is much more aggressive than most. Nevertheless, it is
being controlled with FO/CC plus some other things that are boosting the
immune system of which I learned from Dr. Borman and others. There are
other things that will help as well if it turns out that I need them.
When someone says that FO/CC is not effective or of limited effect I want to
know on what that opinion is based. Have they tried the Budwig Protocol on
a lot of patients and found it not effective or are they taking the word of
someone else who hasn't applied it either.
I no longer take someone's word as truth because they have an MD after their
name.
Nothing would make me happier than to see our people put this to the test
honestly and completely for the benefit of our people.
It isn't happening and until it does they have nothing meaningful to say as
far as I am concerned.
What we are doing ourselves has far more meaning as we see people get better
or recover.
Cliff
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I received this link on another list. The article is rather negative for
flax oil. Would any of the experts on this list please reply? It is
interesting since people are having such a good response with Dr. Budwig's
diet. I find it a mystery.
http://www.coconut-info.com/facts_on_flax.htm
Thank you for your comments.
Kallie Miller

Cancer Salves! They seem to be beneficial for some.

2008-03-28 16:29:18

Now that we have gotten into "Magic" or "Shaman" cures, (Dr. Budwigs Cure is old time home remedy)

May I call your attention to Ingrid Naiman's book "Cancer Salves".

It is an extensive review of the subject. (try your Library or Amazon)

I recommend anything that works on horses.

Lorenzo

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Off Topic - Ideas wanted

2008-03-28 14:43:30

Russel you have several years before you retire..so get well organized now and trian yourself, with the natural healing aids..Get involved with Healthfoods and Herb-chain stores, visit many to see and hear what the pros and cons are..find out thorugh the web-globe and on these group-sights what people are talking about, and what is working for them.

Study carefully each and every product that is spoken about.

I wished I'd had the knowledge, that I have today, since 12 years ago, or maybe sooner. But many people in my age group never had computers. I remember in late 1950''s I was just getting ready to go study what they called IBM machines. But I'd had to car-pool twice a week from Seville into Cleveland. And just about the time I found someone to drive me, over an hours drive each way..they backed out of the class themselves.. and took another field of occupation. And at that time, I was just learning to drive.

Then a few days later. I found out that I would have had to go directly to a Aunts house..walk from there to my class, with four hours of schooling, and later evening ,catch a bus, and walk back several blocks to her house. .And she didn't live in a safe neighborhood..So there went, my first major break.

It was Years later I opened a fresh herbal, and a summer time truck-gardening Organic foods from my own back yard..well that worked out for the summer months, but winter I had no work to do-or to follow up on.

If I had had the opprotunity that is on the door steps for many of you today, I would have pushed one or two products at a time. And I'd added to inventory as necessary. But I wouldn't sell what I wasn't using for myself and family. I would listen to what other people were looking for.. I would want products that would do equally for every man, woman and child. I would go out and hold Health Seminars..be able to answer questions, show slides, bring people to testify. I would demonstrate many poroducts, on a three day-program. I would make up simple packets, with a lot of literature that even a child would understand when reading it. I would find Scientist, and Doctors, willing to risk their own neck and business to assist me.

I would travel to places like Germany, and get under Doctor Budwigs wing..I would go to Doctor Clark and dig into anything she could lay out before me..with proof and facts. I would be writing journals as I went from place to place. I'd wonder and I would roam to the ends of the earth to accomplish what I need to learn.

WOW Russell, you have ten years to get busy..and when done you will have ten years of knowledge that can be in wisdom worked out well ..not just for your own satisfaction that is to make money...but I hope you are doing this for all mankind. Secondly learn now to give back to God what is rightfully his..10%. of your earnings.Then reach out and help others in a slow slump. Pick them up and brush them off. Help them find a delightful path also to take..Become that example..that others will want to follow.Get a good reputation right the first time, and you'll never need to worry about what others think. A trusting business man or woman..draws crowds..A Trusting honest business person stays in business for as long as he or she chooses. Need a manager here I am.

Okay russ Go for it..Stick with your goals and don't look back.Learn from all your mistakes and maybe some from other peoples too..pattern your life after someone you now admire, that are already in the honest field of alteritives etc..

Miz Judy
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Off Topic - Ideas wanted

2008-03-28 00:55:58

I am about to start seriously considering what I what to do in retirement.
( that is between 5 and 10 years away). I am planning this far ahead in the
event I need some extracurricular training, etc.
I am interested in the Natural Health field. Something that can really help
people. That will make some money. Seems like most of the ideas I come up
with either involve a lot of training, are sales oriented (bah humbug) or
there is no real demand for them.
What would come to mind for y'all?
Thanks,
Russell

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2008-03-27 17:54:21

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"Our product has 500 mg of red raspberry per capsule. Theirs Ellagic Insurance Formula has only 200 mg of red raspberry per capsule. In order to get more then 5 mg of ellagitannins (which turn to ellagic acid in the body) they would have to use something else. Some synthetic ellagic acid could have been used, not the whole raspberry like we use in the EllagiMaxx.Ours has the most one can put into a capsule.
Also, we have testimonies that no one can beat. I have forward this to Brad Riley, who can also give an opinion, later.
Also, the company that Esther is mentioning , was and still is using OUR testimonials on their website:and Mark Graff.. had it with the owner, whom he knew very well .And yes Mark told him to get our testimonies off their web site they were taking from us and claiming them.

Brad Riley, the Operations Manager at Advantage, was the gentleman responsible for getting the red raspberry extract formula into Advantage over 2 years ago. He knows all about how much can go in a capsule. Mark Graff is a distributor with Advantage and the host of our Thursday night calls. He was a distributor in 21st Century, (the company that is now out of business;For many reasons I am not able to give full details at this time..I am in hopes Brad or Mark can do that later if there is questions..but Mark Graff, was responsible for bringing red raspberry extract to the public) right along with the present owner of Greenwood.

What Mel and I like is also the price, knowing we are getting standred 100% red raspberries seeds, from the EllagiMaxx- Acid without anything having to be added to it, to make up the other percent not in it to fill up a capsule.

Any more questions and we can't answer, we will go to our office-supply Manager, and she can assist us.

One thing for sure our Doctor is very pleased with the results this Berry seed .. and it was she, that studied it thoroughly, and even made several phone calls to make sure Mel and I was getting the pure Raspberries seeds per capsules, without having any additives added to fill up the capsules.
Hope this helps! Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

Change of Address

2008-03-27 17:42:19

Please UPDATE our ADDRESS: Post Office said they will now return your mail
without full address: Has to be exactly like it is written below, from now
on. They will not except just Box numbers anymore..
Miz Judy and Mr.Mel Meyers ( whomever the letter is for: use the name (s)
and full last name)
119 West Millersburg Road
Box 396
Nashville,Ohio 44661-0396
Some have asked for our telephone number: you can get this privately..for it
is unlisted. And the Cell phone is for emergency, or unless we tell you to
use it..
mrjau@...
Love Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

C-herb etc

2008-03-27 07:45:06

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Skin Cancer Testimonials

Dear Dave,
For probably 3 years my 60 year old husband had a sore,swollen, red, flaking area involving the top half of his left ear. We tried using aloe gel, hydrogen peroxide, mineral solutions, colloidal silver and Carcelium on it. Although Carcelium is no longer available, it did keep the area somewhat subdued and in not such an "angry" state- although it never healed it.

Since the area of his ear was totally exposed out in public we did not wish to use the C-herb directly on it as it may have made it quite ugly for a few days. We used C-4 cream as you suggested twice a day to the area. Within a few weeks the area was totally healed! It has been nearly a year now since the ear has returned to a normal condition.
Thank you so much,
J.R. in Georgia

Dear Sheila,
As promised your mother, I am sending you the information I have on treating my cancer and a detailed record of my experience with the C-Herb and Replenishing Cream. I used this under the direction and guidance of Dave Carpenter.

Approximately 2 years ago a tiny spot at the tip of my nose would from time to time redden, break, bleed and quickly heal over. When this began recurring more frequently last year, I went to Dr. Goldstein, a leading dermatologist here, who treated a "precancerous" condition with liquid nitrogen. After 5 or 6 months of such treatment, required more frequently as time went on, the spot just would not heal. He then performed a biopsy (see copy of report) on 2-28 and referred me to a plastic surgeon (Dr. Parsa).

Dr. Parsa recommended the Mohs method for more certain removal of all the cancer cells and the least scarring. See attached sheet Dr. Parsa gave me, published by the Skin Cancer Foundation. He referred me to Dr. Jenny Stone at Straub, saying that she is the only dermatologist in Hawaii trained in the Mohs technique. I made and kept a consultation appointment with her but delayed scheduling the proceedure she suggested. During this time I had heard about C-Herb and wanted to try it before the Mohs technique.

I applied the C-Herb once a day for 4 days and 6 days after the last application the total area fell out, leaving a pink crater (no bleeding) which filled in within 10 days and is only slightly different in color than the surrounding tissue today. 4 years later I still have no signs of the skin cancer reappearing.
Wishing you all the best with your problem,
Thelma M.

March 11,1996
Dear Dave,
In January I applied C-herb to my small (pencil eraser size) malignant melanoma on my upper right arm. Day 1: it became inflammed. Day 3: the white ring appeared. On Day 8 the scab fell off and most of the tissue looked healthy, except for a small area which looked blistered. (Note from Dave- this is caused by a reaction to the adhesive on the bandage she used.) I continued to use Replenishing Cream.

At 10:00 pm last evening I removed the bandage, preparing to apply more Replenishing Cream. As I lifted the band aid off, the white-greenish blob came out along with an encapsulated piece of something about the size of a pea. The crater it left is pinkish and looks healthy, and there is no more pain.

Thank you for helping me to get rid of this tumor which has been haunting me since March of '93 when it was first diagnosed. The dermatologist was furious when I refused her conventional treatment for it- denying her a fat fee for the priviledge of removing a section of my arm.

I have since removed two more small growths on my chin using C-herb, as well as a growth on the bridge of my nose. I'm very satisfied with your products and the results I got with them. Thank you too, for all of your assistance with this process.
Sincerely,
G.M. Salt Springs, FL

Dear Dave,
I wanted to report that your miracle C-herb worked just as you told me it would. As I'm sure you recall, I was an extreme skeptic even though my friend Delores had used it herself and convinced me that it worked. After talking to you about the melanoma I had and what the doctors wanted to do (cut out a large part of my breast) I felt I had little to lose trying the C-herb as I could always have the doctors remove it later.

I applied the C-herb just as you explained and it started working immediately. By the 4th day I had the white ring just as you described, and 4 days later the whole thing fell out while I was washing my hair in the shower. Dave, this thing was bigger than a large hens egg and left a good sized crater, although the crater was smooth and did not bleed, just as you'd predicted. I applied the Replenishing cream to the area and today, just 3 weeks later, the area looks smooth and is not tender to the touch.

I'm so pleased that I tried this method before letting the Doctors disfigure me, not to mention the pain it would have caused. I'd highly recommend using C-herb to others with this type of condition. Thanks so much for your assistance and support. Love, Kathy T., Oklahoma City, OK

My name is Earl N. and I was introduced to this amazing product through my friend, Dr. N. B.. I was diagnosed with basal cell carcinoma on the side of my nose, and "pre melanoma" on eight sites on my right arm and leg. This diagnosis was done by a dermatologist here in Atlanta who specializes in skin cancer. He took a biopsy of the lump on my nose and confirmed his diagnosis. He treated the other sites by spraying them with liquid nitrogen. I was told to see a plastic surgeon to have the basal cell removed, and to just watch the other sites and to be checked on a yearly basis.

After treating the basal cell carcinoma affectively with the salve, I began using it on the sites that had been treated with the nitrogen. To my surprise, I have had a reaction on each site treated so far! In most cases the reaction is small (nothing like the removal of the basal cell); just a small white spot of infection. But I am getting reaction where the nitrogen treatment had been applied!

I am interested in augmenting the topical applications of C-herb with internal consumption. Does this make sense? Should I wait until I have treated all of these sites topically before I start taking the C-herb internally? I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this natural alternative to conventional therapy that I know would not have worked as well.

Regards,
Earl

Dear Friends,
I am a naturopath practicing in Ohio and I have my story to tell. I don't recall how I heard about C-herb but I'm grateful for the product. I had a bottle of the topical application on the shelf for several months waiting for the opportunity to test it's effectiveness.

Not long ago I noticed a mole had appeared on my left shoulder very quickly. In a short time it was turning dark. I didn't have it tested but being suspicious I began the C-herb application. I applied the formula one time a day for four (4) days. By this time the immune system activity was very pronounced. Not only the area immediately around the mole was white, but about an inch beyone it as well. I then began the Replenishing cream applications keeping the area covered. The area became rather sore and swollen including much of the top of my shoulder.

After the sixth day I began to notice separation of the healthy tissue. On the morning of the tenth day the mole separated completely leaving the predicted root cavity. There is still some tenderness and discomfort, but healing continues.

The entire process followed your anticipated process except for taking a few days longer. I am pleased with the results and will anticipate passing it on to my clients. Please keep me informed as to developments with the internal and external products.
Sincerely,
Dr. Michael Minear Sr.,ND, Oriental Herbalist

I found your product back in 1993. I was working for Psychic Friends & had a skin cancer on the edge of my left nostril. I went to a dermatologist and he only wanted $5,000 to remove it plus the cost of plastic surgery. I paid him for the office visit = $450 - left his office and knew there was a better way. I told the Universe I needed help. I had done a reading for a gal in Missouri who owned a health food store. Two days later she called me again. I told her I knew she was the person with the answer to my problem (as well as my helping her). She knew immediately what I needed, went and got the C-Herb and Replenishing Cream and sent it to me Priority Mail. I used it, and went through the pain of this thing being extracted from my face. I have only had to use it once since then. The Cream was a blessing due to the hole the cancer left when it came off. No plastic surgery, no $5,000 for the Dr. (my personal belief is that Doctors are legalized terrorists in white coats). I
love your products and plan to get one of everything.
Charlotte Thomas

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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] C-herb etc

2008-03-27 04:57:34

This is a company that sells bloodroot paste for people and animals (many use
it on their horses, but they have a human companion product). It is both for
outside use and inside use.
Animex 800-593-9780 The owner will give you the name for the human
version
Also, I used bloodroot on a mole and it burned like heck. The idea is just
to apply the stuff on the area one wishes to eradicate. It worked great,
the mole is gone and my skin is fine. I used the XXTerra brand paste for my
mole. Was not cancerous.
The C might stand for cansema (I think that is the name). This compound is
black and more info is at this site.
http://www.altcancer.com/index.htm
The red compounds for external use contain zinc chloride, which is what
burns, I am not sure if it is to "rough up the skin" so that the bloodroot
can do its job. This info is at this site:
http://www.cancersalves.com/introduction/zncl.html
A recipe for cansema is at this site:
http://www.zetatalk.com/health/theax020.htm
JLS

Anti-flax propaganda?

2008-03-26 20:18:17

Conflict of interest maybe? Read this closely and you may be of the opinion that most of what it talks about are the ISOLATES of flaxseed and its oil and the issue of rancidity.
mjh
In a message dated 6/12/02 10:42:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, starrisg@... writes:

I think it was written by Dr. Bruce Fife, the coconut guru.
Starris

Part 1- C-herb

2008-03-26 17:28:56

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There is alot about C-Herb after I got to digging. And I wished I'd had known about it 12 years ago. I will do this in parts as I find time. Today storms are on their way, which means won't be much computering for us here. Right now Mel is checking out C-herb through another source..we want to weigh the pro's and cons.. Love Miz Judy

Just as NK cells are stimulated internally by herbs and exercise (and C-Herb), it appears that they are also mobilized and stimulated by topical (surface) application of C-Herb to the skin. The response to the signal provided by C-herb is very predictable and repeatable.

A normal human body develops immune cells, including NK (Natural Killer) cells, antibodies, B-cells, lymphocytes, T-cells and white blood cells. These immune cells act as a line of defense against invading pathogens and foreign objects to prevent disease and illness.

The NK cell is uniquely different from all other immune cells in that it does not take 2 weeks to develop the ability to kill pathogens. NK cells, when stimulated, have the ability to identify and cause the destruction of cancers, viruses, and many other invading pathogens upon first time contact by either directly destroying the pathogen or marking it for destruction by another immune system element.

Two key immune system terms are mobilization and stimulation. Mobilization is the release of the immune cells, including NK cells, into the bloodstream. The blood then provides a mechanism of transportation and communication for the cells. NK cells are like firemen, housed in a fire station(organs of the body) just waiting to be called out to a fire. Just as a fire alarm sends the firemen to the site of the fire, foreign cells, infections, trauma, stress, disease and exercise send large numbers of NK cells into the blood where they seek out and identify the site of the problem or emergency.

An NK cell is stimulated when it is armed, meaning that it has the ability to kill, destroy, or mark foreign cells for destruction. Just as an atomic bomb must be armed before it can be exploded so must these NK cells be armed (stimulated) before they can destroy foreign cells. Once armed, these NK cells are ready to be mobilized and identify foreign or non-self cells from normal or self-cells. After these non-self cells are identified as foreign, the NK cells will directly kill the offending cell or mark it as a foreigner where it will be destroyed by other components of the immune system. A stimulated NK cell needs only to come in contact with a cancer or virus cell to cause its destruction: hence mobilizing and stimulating NK cells is a common approach to destroying cancer cells.

One technique of cancer cure, well defined in the technical literature, is to remove NK cells from the body, externally stimulate them with interferon or other immune components, and then re-introduce them into the body where they will kill non-self cancers, viruses and other pathogens. Another common form of cancer therapy, again well documented, is to inject interferon directly into the bloodstream. The interferon mobilizes and stimulates NK cells which in turn kill cancers. When these two therapies are used as a cancer treatment there is the potential for rejection, overstimulation, auto-immunity and other side effects.

In a major breakthrough of current NK cell research it has been demonstrated that certain herbs, circulating in the bloodstream, will combine with the effects of specific types of exercise, causing the body to naturally mobilize and stimulate NK cells. These stimulated NK cells have demonstrated an increased ability to kill cancer cells vitro and in vitro.

It is reported that an individual can feel the exact moment when C-herb begins to stimulate the natural immune functions. The sensation has been described by some individuals to be like a slight sting, pinch or itch. The stinging has been reported to last up to 4 hours after application. When one feels this sensation they can be assured that the offending tissue is being successfully attacked by the immune system.

This natural process eliminates the non-self cells including the total root system, leaving a vacated cavity. Since the normal body cells have not been removed or destroyed, the body remembers its original genetic makeup (DNA) and the healing process will return the tissue to its original genetic blueprint.

C-Herb theory suggests that oral ingestion should cause systemic effects similar to topical application. There have been thousands of people who have taken C-herb orally with much success, especially when combined with immune-enhancing supplementation like Transfer Factor Plus.

C-Herb was tested at the Utah State University Antiviral Research Laboratory. The testing demonstrated that C-herb significantly inhibits Herpes virus growth in BALB-C test mice. It should be noted that overdosing of C-Herb (more than one application per day) producted a white rash.

C-Herb has been used successfully to remove warts from the teats and udders of cows(the warts can interfere with the milking process and cause discomfort). The application and process of removal has been essentially the same as that reported for humans. No adverse affects have been identified on cows. C-Herb has been used to successfully remove abnormal tissue from the ears of horses and dogs.

A significant number of individuals have topically (or combination of external and internal use) removed cancers, warts, moles and other foreign cells from various areas of the body. The removal success rate approaches 100% and few side effects have been reported.

It is important to note that excessive application of C-Herb will cause a dry-white rash in many cases and make the area much more swollen, tender and irritated than is necessary.

Conclusions

The effects of topical application of C-Herb on humans are predictable and repeatable (mole, wart, skin-cancer removal). This is also true of animals, specifically cows, horses and dogs. C-Herb is consistent and predictable in the removal of cancers, moles and warts.

C-Herb has been used by many people when working with their health challenges or those of their patients. It works extremely well by separating the large protein molecules they hide in from the virus or cancer cells as well as activating the NK cells. This allows the immune system to identify and eliminate these undesired organisms. It is very important, therefore, that one strengthen their immune system during and after the time they use C-Herb. C-Herb has often proved beneficial when the individual took it for several months, taking a 1 day break every week to rest up the immune system.

Virus: C-Herb has been used on all kinds of viruses like Mono, EBV,CFS, Herpes, Hepatitis (all 3 kinds), common flu, common cold, and many more. Normally one need take 1 dose daily as suggested, but severe cases often respond to a dose (1/4 gram) twice a day.

Fungus, Yeast, Candida:It has also been effective when used for fungal and yeast problems. Because it works so quickly one should be careful when using with Thrush or other yeast-like growths in the mouth or throat as it will cause extreme agitation the first couple of days if taken too quickly. I suggest that one use a capsule for the first few days to prevent these tissues from becoming inflammed and unnecessarily sore.

Cancer & Abnormal Cell Growth: Using C-Herb in conjunction with immune enhancing (particularly NK and T cells) supplements has proven very effective for these types of problems. Dosage depends on size of person and the extent of the problem. I've seen up to 4 servings per day with people for a few weeks to get the problem under control, then decreasing as desired.

Multiple Sclerosis: C-Herb has been effectively used in several successful MS protocols over the years.

Common cold: When I have people that can't shake the common cold with other treatments I've suggested they take some C-Herb with their program and within hours they start seeing a difference.

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Re: Anti-flax propaganda?

2008-03-26 14:28:13

I think it was written by Dr. Bruce Fife, the coconut guru.
Starris

OOPs I goofed

2008-03-26 02:18:07

Below here is a list..Mel wrote out to share: that we both use, and I will
put * sign by those he is on that I don't take. OOOPs I do take the ones
with the stars. He didn't tell me when he wrote this that he was changing
this page around..Sorry about that. But on our new web-page it will be
corrected. As will all spelling words. This is the correct way to spell the
name of Red Raspberry's we take..
EllagiMaxx all natural Acid: it is a dietary supplement..that for us is doing
wonderful things.

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Anti-flax propoganda?

2008-03-25 17:05:07

Anti Flax Propaganda
HI,
I didn't notice as yet where this post originated, but after reading it, it
seems there are some things which need to be addressed. It brings up
several things that make me think if incidents in the past.
It could very well explain a lot of Dr. Myers' statements that the use of
Flaxseed Oil makes PCa grow three times faster than normal.
I am not an expert in Bio Chemistry and at my age never will be. However, I
noticed some statements that to me are significant.
One is that the author is talking about oxidized Flaxseed Oil, and NOT fresh
flaxseed oil. This was stated.
As far as I know Oxidized oil is harmful. Now I see why.
None of these authors are studying Flaxseed oil used with the sulfur based
proteins.
Dr. Budwig's work is stressing the need for the sulfur based proteins used
with it and she says herself that if it is not it can have the "Opposite
Effect." The reasons for that are now a little more clear.
Any Flax Oil that I get is fresh. It is kept frozen or refrigerated. I
have now used it for eleven years. It is used with the sulfur based
proteins. I have wondered over the years what the effect of long term use
would be. My Oncologist sees no problem as far as that is concerned. She
is German and familiar with Dr. Budwig's work.
Cliff

Fw: EllagiMax..and Flaxseed oil etc.

2008-03-25 16:06:57

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EllagiMax is an all natural..it is the strongest, 100% pure red Raspberry Extract Available ( nothing fake about it) Cancer ccells do not die through natural death or Apoptosis.The cells divide and continue the proces of duplicating mutated cells without the "Signal" to dismantle the old cell.Ellagic Acid does not attack the cancer:it allows the cell to die a "Natural death", as it suppresses the body's ability to fight diseases.Ellafi Acid does not damage the immune system or harm the body's natural ability to fight disease. And another way it may help is through G-1 Arrest.the proces that causes cells to mutate is inhibited by G-1 Arrest. If our cells do not mutate then we elimante the cancer. Many people may have cancer cells in their body but not be aware of it until they are diagnosed. In a test conducted by the Hollings Cancer Institute with Ellagic Acid, G-1 Arrest began within in 72 hours in both breast and cervical cancer. EllagiMaxx is 100% standardized red
raspberry extract, which contains a natural substance called ellagic Acid acts as a scavenger to "bind" cancer causing chemicals, making them inactive. It inhibits the ability of other cells exposed to carcinogens,ellagic acid reduces the incidence of cancer.

120 Count Bottle Serving size:1

Capsule.Ingredients AMT Per Serving Daily value

Red Raspberry Extract (4.1 Standardized for 5 mg ellagic acid..suggested as a Dietary supplement, 1,2, capsules in the morning and 1,3 capsules in the evening, or as directed by a health professional ( Our doctor recommened we stay with 3-per day) But if I had any signs of cancer..back to 4-6. Right now all blood work after three years has showed great results. And we are to continue drinking at least 4-6 glasses of water daily..or 8 if we can contain it. Doctor Daniel Nixton, began his reasarch in 1993, and has seen great results with breat cancer, pancreses, esophagel, skin, colon, and prostate cancer cells decreasing, and many people recovering from a lot of disorders. ( I for one have kept cancer from returning, and have regulated my bowels trmendously) Mel and I have not had a serious cold or flu in over three years. And the first week we began taking the Elalgic acid I really noticed the difference in the bowel, and my engery increased tremendously. Of course this is
not all we have been recently adding to our daily supplemnts.

Below here is a list..Mel wrote out to share: that we both use, and I will put * sign by those he is on that I don't take.

*3- EllagicMaxx ( Acid 5mg, standardized

*2-Coral Max

*2-Chelated Manganese

*1=Beta Carotene ( pro vitamin A)

*1-Vitamin C-100 mg( with rose hips)

*1-Chelated Calcium Magnesium ( bone Health maintancec)

*1-vitamin B-12 For normal formation of blood cells

1-Cardara 8 mg ( Judy's heart, Prescribed by doctor

1-Ziac Smg ( Judy's heart prescribed by doctor

1- iron tablet ( ferrous Sulfate 325 mg) Prescribed by doctor

For Mel alone: For men out there that have Vrinary problems I take Standardized 320 mg. Saw Palmetto concentrate,Maimom potency..

I take 1 soft gel daily and have better results than when I ws taking plain Saw Palmetto I used to take 400 mg 3-4 daily. I also drink 100 % cranberry Juice when I can afford it, or when I feel the need to have more. I am now able to sleep all night and not have to get up to run to the bathroom..as before I was up almost every hour. And starting today Judy and I are getting back to Flaxseed oils with the cotage cheese.

Many of our suppliments come from Puitans Pride, Oakdale.N.Y. And Health food stores we have here local that are fussy where things come in from.We buy our Flaxseed oil from them shipped in and wehn we oick it up they get it from a cold storage refrigerator, Or I'd not buy it. We also have told them we want fresh..cold pressed.And they kindly oblidge us. If at anytime nothing is satisfactory they stand behind their products.

Judy and I are very fussy about where we buy the things we take, and we have tried serval companies out in the past 12 years. But we are always learning new things.And we study up on many products that at one time we had taken, but found out was not really that good. We always discuss things with all our doctors, and often times they request from us literature to study over.l With the EllagiMaxs, our family doctor, even made some phone calls that we were not allowed to dig into.But being she is a doctor she had the right doors to open. Later she phoned Judy and said to go for it. A few months later when Judys' blood work came back and it showed marvelous results in liver, heart, no cancer cells, etc, the doctor sat and cried, knowing where judy had before been able to walk into her office. She has seen Judy at her worse, and now at her best. We are still trying to find more and better ways to improve our health without going over board. I will try this evening to sit down
and figure out what it cost us a month to live. So far we are not in the poor house. And I thank God he is helping us to find things that work for us.

Mr.Mel and Miz Judy

Our I.D. # is 4640. You will be need our ID number
when you sign up. You will need to have a credit card handy.
1-800-867-1891 (Order Line/Sign Up Line
Customer Service: 1-850-863-0040
Fax 24 hrs: 1-800-701-6571
1-850-863-0041

Or Mel says we can order for you anything you want and ship it in anyway you wish to pay postage. We just today made another order for ourselves and other people..no big problem on our part to do this for anyone., becaue the Post Office is right next door.We can also order you the Celtic Sea Salt, and other supplements that maybe you are not able to get at reasonable price. Just email us to let us know your needs. Mel wants me to make another web page on what we are doing..but I tild him that won't be today. Maybe this weekend if nothing turns up I can try to work on that.

When you use this number is the only way you'll get the products at wholesale. Other wise you may not be able to buy this/We figure it is like 2 cents per capsule. Mel and I each take three a day. And our Doctor is amased at the results of my blood work. I had her to alos look into this product before I begin taking it.She gave me the A-okay. And said anything this natural wouldn't harm me.
If any questions feel free to email us. Beware of those that are not the r4eal
Raspberries..I will have to find the literature to explain later..rigth now it is early morning and I need some sleep bad.. But feel free to Email us if any questions.

we are also waiting for our last order to get here, hope this week as Mel and I are out of our cap's and need them badly..He for got to order them on time. And without them I sure can tell the differents in not having them. We can also divide supplies to fit your needs. And work with your budget.

Love and Prayers Miz Judy

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Item # Product Name Product Description Quantity Price
1100 CoralMax A Powerhouse! Bob Barefoot's Dream Formula 60ct $36.00
1101 CoralMax w/o Iron Bob Barefoot's Dream Formula without Iron 60ct $36.00
1150 CellMaxx Immune System Enhancer 60ct $50.00
1000 Thermo-Boost Thermal Herbal Diet Support 60ct $20.00
1020 Alo-Min Nature's Best! Mineral, Vitamin and Aloe Formula 32oz $20.00
1035 Oxy-Stop Pine Bark Extract, Grape Seed Extract, and Turmeric Extract 60ct $20.00
1120 ZanaMaxx Strongest Anti-Oxidant on the Market 60ct $42.00
1110 EllagiMax 100% Pure, Natures Best Ellagitannin Source 120ct $34.00
1112 Ellagic Cream Skin Cream with Red Raspberry Extract (SPF 30 Protection) 2 oz $36.00
1115 Oxy Plus Warburg's Oxygen Booster 90ct $25.00
1043 Advanced Arthritis Support Nutritional Joint Protection 60ct $20.00
1005 Pretty Slim Weight Management Supplement w/ Chromium Picolinate 60ct $20.00
1010 Pretty Slim w/ Energy Weight Management w/ Energy 90ct $20.00
1015 Less / Cholest Cholesterol/Fat Reducer 48ct $20.00
1025 Colloidal Silver Pure Twice-Concentrated 10 PPM 4oz $20.00
1030 E-Zyme Beneficial Enzymes and Vitamin E for Digestive Health 60ct $20.00
1037 MSM 100% Pure Methylsulfonylmethane and Vitamin C 90ct $20.00
1055 Stress Ease Natural Herbal Daily Stress Support 60ct $20.00
1065 Fem-Norm Plus Feminine Discomfort Relief 60ct $20.00
1070 Mi-Grain Natural Headache Prevention 60ct $20.00
1075 Sleep Ease Melatonin Herbal Blend for a Restful Night¨s Sleep 60ct $20.00
1085 Colon Fresh Natural, Effective, Gentle Elimination 60ct $20.00
1090 Muscle Ease Herbal Muscle Strain Formula 60ct $20.00
1095 Brain Plus Mental Clarity 60ct $20.00

Combination Packs

Item # Product Name Product Description Price
1103 Coral Max Trinity