Flax Seeds

Hi All,

Now this is a "poll request". I would really like to see the number of people who have really seen this Medical Research Report on the dangerous changes brought about fby the Hydrogenation Process. This is Earthshattering....These Medical Researchers saw fit to release their Report PRIOR to it being published in a Medical Journal.It seem to say that Cancer is a a by-product.

Two Questions"

1. I wonder why they did this?

2. How many of you have seen this Swedish Report in any USA newspaper published in the USA? If so, which one(s).

The Internet carried some reference to the Swedish Report, and Wilhelm, in Canada, put it on this list. And possibly one other person did so ,too.

However, Dr. Budwig warned us about the Food Processors and their drive to use Hydrogenation, and now, partially hydrogenation, in order to increase shelf life of products, regardless of the dangers to our health. Companies like Kellogg`s, Quaker Oats, Nestles, and a Potato Chip one were mentioned.

Would you please take a moment and reply to my poll? ( I am not against them, but they have to have a valid reason). Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli

A report on the value of nutrition.
Go to:
http://healthy.net/asp/templates/news.asp?Id=4685
"Now, patients are feeling better. They're more willing to eat, and they're
more interested in what they can do to help fight their disease, Knutson
said. "
Content copyrighted, 2002 The Oklahoman

Hi Elaine and All,
You sent the following:
"Under section 413(a) of the Food and Drug Administration Modernization Act
of 1997 (FDAMA) (Pub. L. 105- 115), entitled Food and Drug Administration
Study of Mercury Compounds in Drugs and Food, the Food and Drug
Administration (FDA) is required to: (1) Compile a list of drugs and foods
that contain intentionally introduced mercury compounds, and (2) provide a
quantitative and qualitative analysis of the mercury compounds in this list.
The statute did not differentiate between mercury as an active or an
inactive ingredient."
My View: This and the report below, look like "Double Dutch" to me....
This very limited , narrow, qualified report, unless I read it wrong, is a
paper-thin attempt at a whitewash, to downplat the true amount of mercury
used in all industries and professions, as foods, drugs, or other related
usages, in my opinion. There are so many excuses for what companies "used in
the past" but don`t use now, and other excuses for "not being able to find
some companies that used to manufacture" but cannot be located now, and
lastly, the meagre amounts that are said to be used in a product seem to be
limited to only one item, without taking into account the "Total Production
and Accumulated Use" across the USA for all companies, food, drug,
professional or otherwise...But most blantantly missing, is all the info on
Total Dental Use! We will never know. In any case, let`s take it for what
it is , and move on to taking back our own health without misinformation, or
disinformation from any source, governmebt or private
.
Any further ideas would be welcome, so people can see what Dr. Johanna
Budwig meant when she warned us that, [ paraphrased] " government
departments" are reporting what Pharmaceutical-Chemical companies want
them to say"
. Is this such an example in our own backyard?
Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli
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The Alaska canned Salmon lives in the North Pacific which may be less polluted than others seas.

Canning does not improve fish; But the Salmon that we are talking about here was "good" before it was canned.

If we could get it frozen it would be a little better for us.

I really know nothing about other canned fish, except I choose Canadian Sardines over those produced in warmer water areas.

Lorenzo

I bought a new blender as my old one didn't seem to blend very well. All the
stuff seemed to stay inert and the blender sort of made a loud burping sound
while the
oil stayed quite visible around the sides of the container. My new one is
now doing
the same thing. Is it possible that a cup is too much, along with crushed
pineapple?
It seems to me that I got a better blend by stirring vigourously in a cup with
a spoon. Can anyone tell me if the blender is supposed to really pulverize
the
cottage cheese and other ingredients?
dorothy

Hi Miz Judy,

There are hundreds of articles on the web about mercury, why does some one post one here, a really long one. and also they left no Email address for a private reply.

Lorenzo

Lorenzo

Salmon..is better canned..We agree now on this and I understand why now. But is this also true with all canned fish we may eat. As an example: lets say perch, or carp-walleye etc, is fresher if it is canned than farm fed?

Miz Judy

We use the Adelle Davis method to cook hard. Put four eggs per quart of water, bring to a boil and remove from heat to cool. This leaves the yolk oange, not green.

Regards, Lorenzo
And well fed chickens on organic foods also make the best eggs for noodles.And the organic fed chicken, when cooked makes the best broth, for stew and soups too.But I will not buy an egg that is with a Rooster for any length of time. We use to sort our hens from Roosters, mainly those we didn't want for breeding..these are the ones we gathered cooking eggs from and the others that were with a rooster was for hatching purpose.
Miz Judy

The new "Mike" seems to be on a "fishing" expedition.

Let us refer him to the archives.

Lorenzo

boil properly , and the shell refuses to come right off..leaving most of the
egg whites clinging. Eggs to boil are best kept in the refrigerator, or a
cool cellar a few days after taking it from the hen-nest. Miz aJudy

Reply,

We get our eggs from a Farmer who feeds them a variety of greens plus some grain. I give him some falxseed to add to their diet.

The yolks are brighter orange color than the $2.50 a doz. eggs in the store.

We use the Adelle Davis method to cook hard. Put four eggs per quart of water, bring to a boil and remove from heat to cool. This leaves the yolk oange, not green.

Regards, Lorenzo

Forgot to mention the difference between red Salmon!

Fresh Red Salmon has more flavor than fresh Pink Salmon.

However after it is canned there is not much taste difference.

When I lived in Seattle and caught Salmon weekly I always took the less tasty varieties to the commercial cannery and had them canned as it improved the taste.

As far as I know there is only one variety of Atlantic Salmon; But there are five varieties of Pacific Salmon and near the Arctic is the Char a Salmonoid that sometimes comes from wild caught to the Market.

Lorenzo

"Knowledge is power": That is why the internet is great!

In this case most fresh Salmon is farm raised on less than natural food. A large

portion of this food is grain. Result: Salmon on natural food have pink or red flesh, Farm Salmon have to be given a chemical in their food just before harvest to turn the meat pink.

The Alaska canned Salmon are brought to large cannery ships by the Fishermen. On top of the can the third digit is the year it was canned,.like "1" means it was packed in year 2001. It is supposed to be sold before five years.

Wild Salmon are mostly near the endangered species list. Many varieties are already on it.

Probably there are no wild Atlantic Salmon on she Market. A very few areas have a surplus of wild Pacific Salmon, expect to pay over $10 a pound for it.

Pat
I get flaxseed at $1.25 a pound at the healthfood store, so inexpensive and I do not mind the do it myself grinding.
I use about 1 T flaxseed to 1T of the oil......
Hope this helps
mjh
In a message dated 4/29/02 6:16:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, honiholo@... writes:

I started to place an order for FSO directly from Barleans today, and was stumped when she asked, "lignan or non lignan" and then added, "most therapeutic users use the lignan".

I have been adding the 2-4 T ground flax myself.
I see that having it in the oil would be one step less, but how would you know if you are getting the right amount of lignan?
TIA, Pat

I started to place an order for FSO directly from Barleans today, and was stumped when she asked, "lignan or non lignan" and then added, "most therapeutic users use the lignan".

I have been adding the 2-4 T ground flax myself.

I see that having it in the oil would be one step less, but how would you know if you are getting the right amount of lignan?

TIA, Pat

Is there a problem with some of us not being able to use E-mail lately. Some have been writing to me asking why they are receiving duplicate mail from everyone. And I just got 18 letters from one party of the same thing. I wonder if the storms sweeping the nation in the past few days has been the problem. I have checked my computer systems and all is okay, and even phoned support and they can't find anything here wrong. Right now in this Outlook I can get my spell checker to work okay..but not when I go back to Incredimail, which I do enjoy better for letter writing..it is far from boring.

May I here ask why did someone ask another person not to write again on this list? I thought that we as nice people, welcomed everyone. Just because they didn't mention the word Flaxseed-don't give another the right to tell someone to not post again. And you could have kindly wrote that party in private. Now if I were to ask someone NOT to POST..heaven forbid if I ever do that..Would you kindly be the first one: not to make issue of it: without extra protest and get off? I doubt it. Fact is.. I did search out the wares the other party sent and found them interesting. I remember not to long ago.A few others sent off topic and not one word was [posted against that] When someone bugs another person, put their name in the blocker) that isn't hard to do I have several along with my virus names. And learn to know what the list owner is for..it should be up to them to tell someone to get off, not any one of us members place to do that. And if anything to say write me personally.

Flaxseed still blows in the wind..and it still carry's forth good healing power. But so does some other good health issues as well.

Love to you all good people. Miz Judy and Jr.Mel

Hello,
I am new to the group. I have heard in many
places saying that diary products are not good
for cancer, and should be avoided. Cottage Cheese
is a diary product. Does anybody have more
insight on this topic?
Thanks
Mike

Yes..tendering meat is best aged..So is an egg..Fresh gathered eggs will not
boil properly , and the shell refuses to come right off..leaving most of the
egg whites clinging. Eggs to boil are best kept in the refrigerator, or a
cool cellar a few days after taking it from the hen-nest. Miz aJudy
The tender part is a lie, they just want the extra $.
I know that what makes meat tender is "Aging".
SALMON
Because it is not economical to ship it fresh you can buy the finest Salmon
in a Can. It is labeled Pink Salmon or Red Salmon. The 16 oz. cans have
skin and bones= LOTS of Vitamins and Minerals,
The 8 oz. cans are without skin and bones for those who prefer to get
osteoporosis sooner than 92
This is something I had never considered about the can size. We just had Salmon
padies last night for supper with a green salad. We search for the red, but have
found it to be a higher price, so we stick with the pink. Never did we know that
it was processed and canned on the same fishermans boat? Or is it transfer at
sea to the cannery boat. QUESTION: Why is Fresh salmon lower in Omega
3..compared to the canned? You'ed think this would be the other way around..Now
I am confused in my thinking here. How is it added..from what or where?

Hi Elaine,
Please do not post to this list again.
Lorenzo

The flax list has lotsa stuff about omega 3.

It appears that Omega 3 benefits are becoming common knowledge

One brand of canned of Salmon in the store has a note that it contains Omega 3! Note fresh Salmon is low in Omega 3 unless Wild caught. Canned Salmon with the word "Alaska" embossed on the lid is caught wild in Alaska and canned on a boat in the ocean..

Because it is not economical to ship it fresh you can buy the finest Salmon in a Can. It is labeled Pink Salmon or Red Salmon. The 16 oz. cans have skin and bones= LOTS of Vitamins and Minerals,
The 8 oz. cans are without skin and bones for those who prefer to get osteoporosis sooner than 92.

Other sources are Sardines, Walnuts, Purselane AND Grass finished BEEF! and green leafy vegetables.

Unfortunately, most Beef is fed grain for months prior to packing in order to make it marbeled with fat and more tender.

The tender part is a lie, they just want the extra $.

I know that what makes meat tender is "Aging".

Lorenzo

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lea

Sally what isn't working for you now? you are getting letters to Flaxseed 2 just fine. Is it a home page you can not find..or do you find it hard to run?

Right now I have lost my spell checker and have no idea how to get it back on. My tool box freezes up when I try to correct spelling.

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thanks, but that's not it :-( It was something that started out with a
question comment...
In a message dated 4/28/2002 8:51:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mem121@... writes:
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I believe this may be the copy you wanted, I had it at * Health and Healing
* I believe I sent it to a couple of health groups.
If this is not want you wanted let me know a have a few more.
Elaine

I believe this may be the copy you wanted, I had it at * Health and Healing * I believe I sent it to a couple of health groups.

If this is not want you wanted let me know a have a few more.

Elaine

ahh jeezzzz thanks for the help. I don't really remember... My aunt was just
diagnosed with IFP, a life terminating illness, and my friend has leukemia.
I've been doing so much searching I'm loosing it. I "do" remember there was
a blood test someone mention that was appropriate for certain issues, and I
would believe leukemia would be in that concern. ??
Bon
In a message dated 4/28/2002 8:11:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mrjau@... writes:
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Bonnie do you remember what else might have been talked about..on the blood
testing file you are seeking?
I went back in and don't see anything written right out in the subject line.
chances are it was inside a posting story or testimony letter. Myself I
mentioned that I had recent blook work and this showed the doctor I have no
cancer in the blood, and my liver was good, etc. I do recall others have had
blood testings, but off hand I can't remember what for. Mine was to also
check other things like thyroid. Can you recall what else might have been
talked about around this same time, which might give us a hint to whee to
look. Are you sure this wasn't mentioned on Falxseed one, when someone set
up that new bookmark?

Bonnie do you remember what else might have been talked about..on the blood testing file you are seeking?
I went back in and don't see anything written right out in the subject line..chances are it was inside a posting story or testimony letter. Myself I mentioned that I had recent blook work and this showed the doctor I have no cancer in the blood, and my liver was good, etc. I do recall others have had blood testings, but off hand I can't remember what for. Mine was to also check other things like thyroid. Can you recall what else might have been talked about around this same time, which might give us a hint to whee to look. Are you sure this wasn't mentioned on Falxseed one, when someone set up that new bookmark?

Miz Judy

A week or so ago we discussed blood tests on the list. I can't find the
original post or the responses. A friend of mine with leukemia has had a
stem cell transplant and wants to take FSO/CC. I don't want to miss anything
though. Can you please foreward me the emails regarding those blood tests?
Or identify what the test is and why?
Thank you
BonnieB

Hi Carolyn, Stewart, and all,

It is very good that the film "Grumpy old Men" was filmed in Minnesota, and it is sad that your father died at 78. It is good that your Father remindeded you of Walter Mattau ( also, one of my favorites) but I cannot see the connection between Walter Matthau and Lorenzo to save my life. I know you meant no disrepect, because you are not that kind of a person, but your analogy did seem a bit patronizing and , well..."all knowing daughter to bumbling father"...the kind of things sit-coms and movies are made of in the USA, and the U.K. .For the record, Walter Mattau was a paid actor. Lorenzo is not paid but is very honest in his comments, although some people may object his straight forward flying arrows. As a matter of fact, Lorenzo does his homework well, and speaks his mind when he has some valid reason to believe what he writes. Do I always agree with Lorenzo?

No, I don`t always agree with Lorenzo, eg,., the Caveman Diet, but I highly respect his views, his humor and his postings....

His current view is that Stewart is a "detractor" and that view may be shared by others. Stewart does give out some subtle messages, and allegedly being a MD, would have some influence in health matters to sick people. ( Even if Stewart will not give out medical advice, as he already has stated, since he does not have the records at hand and has not seen the patient [ my view and words]... One misleading statement, for instance is that Stewart claimed that the discussion of "chemotherapy, radiation,and surgery " have nothing to do with the Dr. Budwig protocol or discussion and is therefore an "off post subject". On the contrary....

With all due respect to Stewart, this is not the case at all. Dr. Budwig emphatically warns us against Chemotherpy, Radiation and surgery ( as well as prescription drugs) and this seemingly innocuous statement, is a sreious case in point, and would be considered as "misinformation or as disinformation," intended, knowingly or unknowingly, by Stewart ( or his Ghost Writers, if any).. Many things like that have been overlooked, intentionally or not....by some list members but not by all.....

In addition, the fact that Stewart is a M.D., does not mean that he is correct in every way nor do I think he would say that himself. He is making a contribution on this list by asking or telling what he thinks he must do, and that is healthy. I personally think Stewart is a gentleman and is very brave to come on to a list that is often times diametrically opposed to the very medical training, practices and procedures that his Allopathic Training stand for and represent. This is courageous or could conjure up the question or conclusions that Lorenzo posted. There must be more to Lorenzo`s thinking than just uttering a statement or two, and I , for one, would welcome a list posting or an off post message from him on this score. Allopathic medicine has not yet renigged on its erroneous use of Chemothery, radiation, surgery and over use of antibiotics ( drugs) and I feel it never will until the roof caves down on them. [ Is this misinformation or disinformation????],
Complementary Medicine notwithstanding....

As far as the analogy of Lorenzo being categorized as a beloved "Grumpy Old Man", I see it differently. Lorenzo is a resolute leader in thought and ways. Lorenzo , in his past posts, has told us of his boyhood hardships brought about by a paradoxical situation in which he found himself in Germany in World War Two, and the great trouble he has had to survive those times, and the readjustment period that he went through in the USA, and the great achiebvements he accomplished in his profession and in his quest for good health. Here is a man who is 75 and speaks the truth as he sees it. He tries everything first, talks to people, makes his views well known, without "pulling punches" and carries on regardless of what others say, think and write. He lives what he believes and maybe that why he is 75 and others are long gone, and most of us have yet to achieve that age...We should listen a little more.... Lorenzo is optimistic and I view him as a true re-discoverer of health
methods which we have forgotten or never learned because the "Allopathic Propanganda" is overwhelming in our media, schools, government programs, in just about all the Allopathic doctors practicing "synthethic medicines", all so far awy from the true way to good health, and all eons away from the Hippocratic Advice to Physicians (doctors) "First, do no harm/wrong." Lorenzo sees clearly this and makes his views well known.

He is no comedian like, Walter Mattau, nor is he a "Grumpy .Old Man, " anymore than any woman who speaks out can fit the bnigned description of being a Carol Burnett, a "Lucy," a Goldie Hawn, or our Mother or Grandmother, etc. On the contrary, I see Lorenzo as helping tons of people to good health and he is anything but a Grumpy Old Man " The Grumpy old men are , in my view, people who have lost a little of the "gray matter" and control. Lorenzo has lost neither....Nor has my 84 year old Priest friend who follows the Dr. Budwig Diet, religiously (pun intended!)...He has it all and works up to 16 hours per day, although he is allegedly "retired"....

Again, It`s healthy to make opinions known but it is not good to "categorize ' or pin a label on someone, in jest or in truth. The Spanish have a game called "Breaking the Pinada", and sometimes the blindfolded person gets hit in the head when he/she swings the club to break it and misses..... Come to think of it, we have a game called " Pin the tail on the donkey",... ouch! that would hurt if the blindfolded person would "end up"sticking the wrong "spot", eh?

Ciao for now in good health, spirit humor. Mike Cinelli

P.S.

No offense meant or to be taken, Carolyn, but others who have come on this list after you may believe what you say as 'gospel." I too miss my Dad, and Mom too, for that matter. All the more reason to be loving to those still here....friend and foe alike, eh? Ciao for now, Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli

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Hi Gerry,

What you say is so true,too. The "old medicine men" used to give 'quick fixes', now many doctors,M.D.`s do that and are better at it. As for the dishonest people selling "miracle vitamin pills (or fake ones)", they are definitel no better than many allopathic doctors..

The key here is that no group has a monopoly on being a scoundrel, eh? , although I have a feeling I know who is winning!

Lastly, the best vitamins, minerals, enzymes and amino acids come from raw fruits and vegetables that are not Genetically Modified. Organic food shops are the best bet for these, for the time being.

Gerry, let us hear drom you more often. I miss your pragmatic postings and humor! Ciao for now , all the best ingood health, Mike Cinelli

Stewart and list

Hi I am hoping you could help me understand something with your knowledge in oncology. My friend was first diagnosed with colon cancer, after chemo few years later she now has the spread to liver and lungs, After being on FO/CC for quite some time there does not seem to be any problrms with the lungs at present, she is on different drugs for back pain where i think this is related to the liver cancer, some are steroids, and a few other things i am not sure of. She is also on lots of herbs after seeing a naturpath last week all of which seem to be immune building and increasing oxygen in the blood. Her general health surpisingly seems to be quite good, she doesnt have yellowing of the skin, vomiting, or any other signs of liver failure taking place, infact it would seem to me that she seems to be getting better in general accept for a problem at the moment which is confusing me. I have read over and over that cancer of the liver causes weight loss, loss of appetite,
yellowing of the skin swelling ect, the problem at the moment is she seems to be eating plenty and gaining weight, it started in ankle swelling and has spread all over now she is actually over her prefered weight but still in good health, i do understand that liver cancer can cause abdominal swelling, which she has, but i also understood that weight loss to the rest of the body should be present and loss of appetite, she seems to have a good appetite and put on quite a bit of weight, i am a little confused, is this what happens in advanced liver cancer or could the weight gain or fluid retention be related to an underactive thyroid which i read was common in people with cancer. She also is on hormone tablets as she had her ovaries removed, could it be this, or steriods which she is taking, i am confused is to , is she getting better or worse. If you need more information on what drugs she is taking i can let you no, i would really appreicate your opinion and thankyou so much
any replies

Lea

Dear Miz Judy

I've never heard of Josef Weissenberg. Are you referring to the famous
pianist Alexis Weissenberg? Now are you looking for this one? There is many I have found but that was not a writer. They are in music.

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I just wrote another article on Celtic Sea Salt for another person wanting to get on it..Nothing in this world could compare to Celtic SEA SALT..

And I'm working on this Josef Weissenberg's writing, for you. Now do you want the one in Music..or is he the same person?. It will take me some digging to get what it is you may be looking directly for.And do you want it privatley sent?
Miz Judy

I tend to stick with old stories and follow them for a while; as there may be an element of truth hidden in them.

I recommend Celtic Sea Salt; But would like to know more about Josef Weissenberg's writing.

Lorenzo

I share your doubts regarding the claims about Josef Weissenberg's
use of FSO/CC. It sounds good though, but I need more info to be
convinced. In the meantime I will take with a grain of salt.

All bottles were in the same freezer on the same shelf but are of
different pressing dates.
Wilhelm
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Love Miz Judy..

John and Miz Judy, thank for the suggestions.
But I think I can safely say that was not a temperature difference
because this is what happened:
I took one bottle out and poured from it.
I didn't have enough oil, so I took the second bottle out but could
not pour from it.
A third bottle can be poured.
All bottles were in the same freezer on the same shelf but are of
different pressing dates.
Wilhelm

oil in the freezer, it still flows well. But, it's a matter of
degree. If your freezer is set at a lower than usual setting, that
may be the problem.

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Miz Judy and Mr. Mel

Wilhelm,

This happens to me also. After the oil has been in the freezer, it's quite thick. After letting it stand at
room temperature for a while, it flows normally.

Your explanation makes sense. I'll call Barlean's and ask them.

Best,
Joel

It is time for some of us to turn off the furnace, and turn the refrigerator to a summer degree. We found out the other day ours had to be reset for summer now. And we also have cleaned out the ice-tray. And changed the water filter. Boy does that make a difference. We was getting some freezer food way to cold before we turned it down. Flaxseed oil is easier for us to keep smaller bottles in the freezer and use from only one at a time.And make sure the lid is completely tight after using, or it will cause moisture to get inside, and this may be what is freezing, causing the oil maybe to come to the top, an getting thicker. Also keep the oil either tilted or upside down, while freezing. We never have had problems yet with pouring. But we have to regulate the refrigerator degrees or we might.

Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

Group,
I keep my FSO in the freezer as many of you do.
Even though the oil thickens a bit, it still flows.
This morning when I opened a new bottle of FSO from the freezer, it
would not flow. It was jelled. I had to squeeze the bottle to force
it out. Did anyone have something similar happen?
As it is the LNA (omege 3) in the FSO that keeps it liquid under
cold temperatures, I suspect that some batches of flaxseeds being
pressed have a lower level of LNA.
Wilhelm

grannylindafox.. Pleae repot back to me privately on the
TUMS.. mrjau@...

Well the FO/CC sounds like a very simple thing to do. I have to watch my calcium level because of abuse of Tums.

Thanks Miz Judy..
I'm so untech.. I can barely get a light bulb in the socket... and I have a mac.. I will try what you suggest.. I don't know if it'll work out or if I can get it straight but will try.. and thank you for trying to help.
Sally
Are you still a member of Flaxseed one as well as flaxseed two? Everything is working here and you are coming in fine. Have you posted anything to Flaxseed one to see if you are getting into there okay, if you are still on as a member. Look in your address files above this screen.

Now what are you using as your home page? All your groups might have to be re-programmed in, with your password..If not do you have the groups address in the address files..write and have someone on each group reset you back in. If you are on Natural Well Being I can do this only for this one group. If I was there with you I could set your computer to work for you..But let us see on a private Email what we can do. mrjau@... Miz Judy

"All in the mouths"..or mouth to mouth..( Handed down from generations, and everybody is talking about it?
Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

Hi
I'm interested in your "open discussion" poll.
thanks
John P. send a e-mail for a private reply of the poll

Hi

I'm interested in your "open discussion" poll.

thanks

John P.

Lorenzo,
Re:
That is an older german expression which directly translated:
"in all mouths" does not properly reflect it's meaning.
This should be translated in a way to preserve it's meaning which
is:
"everyone talked about it" - "known by everyone" -
"widely known" - "the talk of the town" - etc.
So, the last sentence should read something like this:
"The 'miraculous healings' of Josef Weissenberg with quark and
flaxseed oil were widely known at the time of our grandmothers"
Wilhelm

instead of mouth to mouth I would say to all mouths or to every
mouth--I have forgot most German so---
in
aller Munde

Hi Lorenzo:

You are right, you really made laugh, thank you ssoooooooo much. I am with Mike.

Gaby.

Mike Cinelli <milpara@...

Hi Lorenzo,

Good words are sometimes lost, eh? Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli

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Thanks Miz Judy..
I'm so untech.. I can barely get a light bulb in the socket... and I have a mac.. I will try what you suggest.. I don't know if it'll work out or if I can get it straight but will try.. and thank you for trying to help.
Sally

There was once a post about small grocers selling flaxseed oil freshly pressed in small amounts from Germany to Poland to Russia.

Now comes this message that quark and flaxseed oil were an old time home remedy for every mouth!

So Dr. Budwig was using an old time remedy with great results.

Maybe it would be good to know more about old German remedies.

The Translation was what I would have used until the end--------- instead of mouth to mouth I would say to all mouths or to every mouth--I have forgot most German so---

Wilhelm: How would you translate "in aller Munde"

Lorenzo

Pat reach me with my private Email..I will try to help you soon as I get home from a business dinner.

Love Miz Judy
mrjau@... or Judy_meyers@...

I don't know what in the world I am missing (brain cells maybe), but all I can find on that page is "bookmark" in black and it doesn't click. What to do?

Miz Judy
I have had microcomputers with either CP/M, DOS or Windows operating systems here on my farm for over twenty years...... I've learned a lot in that time.
Can you describe your problem in more detail? Perhaps OFF LIST if that is the politically correct thing to do.
mjh
In a message dated 4/25/02 10:48:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mrjau@... writes:

Foxhillers what other computer problems can you solve? I need assistance on changing something to get my pics's to show, and not just the titles.
Miz Judy

[INLINE] Over on Natural Well Being we are doing a Open discussion Poll..Anyone over here want it sent personally I can do that. Or you can come on over and join us on a good Health Quiz. Miz Judy an staff

[INLINE]
http://home.talkcity.com/memoryln/mizjudy1/
Nashville,Ohio Genealogy
http://home.talkcity.com/inspirationAv/bibble2/
Breavement of a Lost Love One

Foxhillers what other computer problems can you solve? I need assistance on changing something to get my pics's to show, and not just the titles.

Miz Judy

Remember this that once you are a member of any group, you will be able to click into any icon and use it on the home page, otherwise you will need to use the URL-provided to get into that page. Remember to that this is Flaxseed 2 Group, that were here on now, and you are needing the documentation from Flaxseed oil group, Some of us call (one), for a help to us, to not have to dig into every archive, which we know takes to many hours: when there are hundreds of letters to dig through. And sorting black and white generic toilet paper as someone stated is no fun, so let us use the Charmin, or White Cloud. We need something like this on Flaxseed 2.

And Bgt: states this

If you are dying to click you can do it on the homepage here:

Group,
An interesting sentence on a German webpage.
I will try to make literal translation:
In der Naturheilkunde ist die Quark-Leinöl-Kur seit Jahrhunderten als
Allheilmittel bekannt. Zu Zeiten unserer Großmütter waren die
"Wunderheilungen" des Josef Weißenberg mit Quark und Leinöl in aller Munde
http://www.natur-und-heilen.de/aktuell/0500/h00c.htm
For centuries is the quark-flaxseed oil therapy known as an
'heal-all-means' in the
NaturalHealingArts. The 'wonder healings' of Josef Weissenberg with quark
and flaxseed
oil went from mouth to mouth at the time of our grandmothers.
Jack

Hello Carolyn

Thanks for your posting and it was so refreshing to read. Yes, I was unfair to Lorenzo and I will do my level best to be more tolerant in future. I really appreciate your comments and have noted them, thanks again so much.

Kind regards to you,

Stewart

mjh

Pat
Here is the link posted earlier that works by
"Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

mjh......... don't be overly concerned about this being a FSO list, if you have something that you feel is constructive and will help others on the list just make your point, of course we aren't interested in the type of toilet paper we use or garbage like that....... I also use a tablespoon of lemon juice and a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in a glass of water every day (some people like to sweeten it up with a little honey) in any event this mixture is a great help to the liver as well... and let's not forget if the liver stops working the body will stop working very soon after..

good luck, Gerry Logan

This is all going too far. Sometimes intelligent people can be rude without
thinking it's doing harm. Sometimes people just don't care, sometimes they
goof. This same thing happened to me when I started on the list. I thought
it rude and decided to just read for awhile... since the information is what
I came for. Also, no one else on the list spoke up.
Everyone stay on the list and keep helping us..... Everyone makes mistakes -
big ones and little ones... Everyone... just like they did here! Can we
please stop tugging at this and do no harm, and get back to business? You
are ALL appreciated. Just "please" read your email before sending it. No
one is better here than any other... they just have different knowledge. So
please share nice :-)
BonnieB
In a message dated 4/24/2002 8:31:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kreibich@... writes:
<<

Pat

Stewart,
I am very happy that you are on this list. I appreciate the information that you provide.

Carolyn

Hello Lorenzo

I am so very sad that you find my posting so evil and translucent, ( I think you mean transparent).

I am not paid by any drug company to say anything and am very much my own man. I am also a cancer sufferer who is following the Budwig Protocol. Being an Oncologist, I have given myself 4 to 5 years to live, therefore, for me FO/CC is a very real hope of at least life extension and considering the alternative it is a protocol I'm happy to follow.

You failed to say what exactly it was I'd written that caused you to have such thoughts.

Let me assure you Lorenzo I have only one intention on this notice board and that is to contribute constructively.

Might I suggest that if you have nothing good to say it would be far better if you said nothing.

Regards,

Stewart Hughes )

I live in Minnesota where Grumpy Old Men was filmed. Whenever I hear someone sounding like Walter Matthau, I have to smile. My dad died when he was 78. I miss him and I really miss his Walter Matthau style of talking. All of us in the family would break into laughter when we heard his grumpiness because we knew he would be soon over it and that it was not as mean as it sounded.

Lorenzo brings a smile to my face because he reminds me of grumpy old men that have been 'near and dear to me.'

So... be nice to Lorenzo. Just think about Walter Matthau and how much we loved his movie persona. When I 'hear' Lorenzo, I think of my dad and smile.

Carolyn

Hello Lorenzo

You may well be 75 but it does not give you the right to be offensive. Please try and act in a civilised manner in future.

Lorenzo,
I value your input on this list. You have given us much good information. But.... your messages today seem..... well, you seem to be kind of grumpy today. Are you feeling ok? I know I have grumpy days when I am stressed out and tired. I am a lot less grumpy when I get 9 hours of sleep each night.

Carolyn

To The Newer Members of the Group.......

For some of the newer members of the list. My wife had written the first ever consumer guide to flax and nutrition. You can visit our website and learn more about it - its www.flaxrd.com.

The focus of Janes book is more towards ground flax seed and comes from the position of wellness and not treatment. I don't mention it on here much (3rd time ever) because most of these folks are engaged in a cancer treatment.

On a Side note, Jade Buetler is the vice president of research and developement for Barleans. He is a very knowledgable guy and has published some very good stuff with regards to Omega-3 fats. But I tend to be suspect of material that is published by a manufacturer, no matter how reputable.

I appreciate the interest, but if you want more information please email me privately, I do not want to abuse the non-commercial nature of the list.

Respectfully,
Mike Martin
www.flaxrd.com
mike@...
Flax Your Way to Better Health

Mike Martin
Just remember that some of us consider your wife's work a great service to our health and wellbeing.
mjh
In a message dated 4/24/02 6:35:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mdmartin57@... writes:

To The Newer Members of the Group.......

For some of the newer members of the list. My wife had written the first ever consumer guide to flax and nutrition. You can visit our website and learn more about it - its http://www.flaxrd.com/.
The focus of Janes book is more towards ground flax seed and comes from the position of wellness and not treatment. I don't mention it on here much (3rd time ever) because most of these folks are engaged in a cancer treatment.
On a Side note, Jade Buetler is the vice president of research and developement for Barleans. He is a very knowledgable guy and has published some very good stuff with regards to Omega-3 fats. But I tend to be suspect of material that is published by a manufacturer, no matter how reputable.
I appreciate the interest, but if you want more information please email me privately, I do not want to abuse the non-commercial nature of the list.
Respectfully,
Mike Martin
http://www.flaxrd.com/
mike@...
Flax Your Way to Better Health

breathing the air and drinking the water can be hazards to your health. Now
add food of thousands of years use to a all ready long list of its bad for
you. Add wars, disease, and governments, amazing we were ever born.
Thankfully are bodies are on the whole self correcting and highly sexual.

Dear group.
Do we who take care of what we eat have to worry about this?
Judge for yourself....
A new report out in Sweden says:
"Basic foods eaten by millions around the world such as bread,
biscuits, potato chips and french fries contain alarmingly high
quantities of acrylamide, a substance believed to cause cancer,
Swedish scientists said on Wednesday.
"The research carried out at Stockholm University in cooperation
with experts at Sweden's National Food Administration, a government
food safety agency, showed that heating of carbohydrate-rich foods,
such as potatoes, rice or cereals formed acrylamide, a much studied
substance classified as a probable human carcinogen.
"The research was deemed so important that the scientists decided on
the unusual step of going public with their findings before the
research had been officially published in an academic journal....."
You can read the whole thing at:
http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=search&StoryID=873399
Wilhelm

This goes back a ways. Dr. Kaufman kept meticulous patient records which
support megavitamin ...
On Dr. Andrew Saul's site.......... site at
http://www.doctoryourself.com/kaufman6.html is Chapter one by a
contemporary of Dr. Budwig.
A small part from Chapter 10.
http://www.doctoryourself.com/cancer_hoffer.html
Orthomolecular Treatment of Cancer
By Abram Hoffer, M.D., Ph.D., FRCP(C)
"Two years later a woman I had treated for depression several years earlier
consulted me again. This time she was depressed because her 16-year-old
daughter had Ewings tumor (a highly malignant sarcoma) in one arm and she
was slated for surgery to amputate her arm. This was the standard treatment.
I told her about the previous patient and his recovery and suggested that
although there was no evidence it would help it could do no harm and might
possibly be of some value. Her daughter agreed to take niacinamide 1 gram
after each meal and ascorbic acid 1 gram after each meal. Her surgeon agreed
to postpone surgery for a month. She recovered and the last time I heard
from her family she was married and leading a normal productive life, with
both arms. I concluded that vitamin B-3 was the most important component and
that the vitamin C was helpful. In Saskatchewan under my direction we did
the first double blind controlled therapeutic trials in Psychiatry,
completing six by 1960. Therefore I was aware of the powerful influence of
placebo. However when two terminal patients recovered on the vitamins it
became powerful evidence that there was more than placebo at work. "
Lorenzo

Dear group,
every now and than it seems right to re-submit a post from the past.
This one I thought ought to be brought back for reading. (It is
message 544 on list 1)
I would likely not have found it had it not been for the nice work
done by Jack in organizing interesting posts in FlaxSeedOil 1
under 'Bookmarks'.
Now I know where Cliff gets the 98% figure from.
Wilhelm
From: "Sue Norris" <sen@c...
Date: Sun Feb 27, 2000 2:44 pm
Subject: Dr. Budwig's successes
Dear Damon (and everyone else who's interested),
Last year when I was thinking of writing an article on the benefits
of flax oil and cottage cheese for treating cancer, I called Dr.
Budwig in Germany and spoke with her directly. She was reluctant to
give specifics, since she was involved with an upcoming court case
being brought against her by what she described as the German
equivalent of Kenneth Starr. (She said at that time, that she's been
taken to court before, but has always prevailed, and that she
could do it again.)
She said that the medical establishment is against her because she
refuses to combine her treatment with chemo and/or other standard
treatments that can break down the immune system. It should be noted
that Dr. Budwig has been nominated not once, but seven times, for
the Nobel Prize for her research. She didn't want me to write an
article in layman's terms about her work, because she felt it would
diminish its importance. She did tell me that she has successfully
treated cancer patients whose doctors had given them only weeks or
days to live, and said that at that time she was still treating
patients who come to her from all over the world. She didn't mention
specific types of cancer. But said she has had a success rate
approaching 98%. I asked her to translate that into an actual
figure, and she said the number of patients she's successfully
treated is approximately 1000. She also said that a hospital in
Spain is using her methods, and has experienced a similar rate of
success. She urged me to fly to Germany to see her work for myself.
During the time when I was gathering information for my proposed
article, I was informed that the market was already flooded with
research articles showing that flax oil (while promising) has not
been shown to be a cure for cancer.
I read two of these articles at that time (though I can't remember
what magazines they were in). Each said that flax oil had helped,
but not cured or even significantly reduced the cancer it was being
used to treat. The key factor that was missing in this research was
the need for a sulfur based protein combined with the Omega 3 found
in the flax oil. I tried to convince several editors that my
proposed article differed from the others in that it tells of Dr.
Budwig's research and the need for the protein found in quark or
cottage cheese. But the editors weren't interested.
I have personally spoken by phone to six of the people Cliff tells
about on his tape. They basically told me the same thing they told
him. Of the 7 people I've convinced to try the flax oil and cottage
cheese for their cancer (prostate, stomach, bone, and/or lymphoma),
here are the results to date:
Two started taking it and were beginning to see results. One of
these had a PSA of 7, and the flax oil and cottage cheese brought it
down to point five.
The other had bone cancer. The prostate cancer patient's doctor told
him nothing could work that fast. He said the flax oil must be
masking the symptoms, and told him to stop taking it . He did, and
his PSA went back up.
The doctor removed his prostate and performed an angioplasty. The
bone cancer patient's doctor told her only chance of survival was a
massive dose of chemo.
She took it, and it killed her within 24 hours.
A third started, then quit, then started again, then quit again
without even giving it a chance. She is currently in the hospital,
being given a month to live.
A former prostate cancer sufferer (number 4) who had his prostate
removed before hearing about Flax Oil and Cottage Cheese now has a
cancerous tumor on
his spine. He started taking 6 T of oil with 1 1/4 c of cottage
cheese a day. After one month, his PSA had dropped from the high
30's to two point five. He is ecstatic, and looking forward to his
next bone scan.
A friend's grandmother (number 5), who's been taking it for about a
month, hasn't yet let me know whether she's seeing any results.
The remaining two are now cancer free.
Sincerely,
Sue Norris Holmes

Wilhelm,
Yes, you are right. I glanced too quickly over it.
For some strange reason I had in my mind that
they used soy proteins which they didn't.
But I want to relate something else to the group
of which I have seen no mention elsewhere.
In order to grind the flaxseed I bought a Braun
handblender 500 watt and I learned the hard way
how to handle the thing. One day when I was
already some weeks on the Budwig diet I cleaned
it above the kitchensink and accidently
pushed the button cutting my finger on the blades.
So now I know that you have to pull the plug first
before you clean.
Blood was streaming into the sink and I was watching
it. I said to myself: what a beautiful color.
I had never seen such blood. It was luminous bright red
and I didn't need a bloodtest to know that this blood was
top notch. The healthiest blood I had ever seen.
Very inspiring and amazing.
I will definitely stay the rest of my life on
flaxseedoil/quark.
Jack

Hi,

After reading this letter, I have a couple of comments.

I notice that the articles talks about the phytoestrogens etc. being in the Lignans.

I would suggest that pregnant women use a Lignan free oil. That should eliminate the problems that they are talking about.

I would suggest that pregnant women not use seeds according to this article. The information that I had in 1991 when I began the use of flaxseed oil against cancer I learned that Soybean oil had no Omega 3 in it. This suggests otherwise but no mention of how much.

Flax apparently has lots of health benefits but against cancer it is the Omega 3 that does the major job. That is in the oil itself and not in the lignans.

This article mentioned a French study in 1991. I have, lost somewhere in changing over from windows 99 which I can use to windows xp which I may learn how to use if I live to be 85, [I am now 80], a document concerning a French study done before 1991 which showed great value in Omega 3 in prevdention of heart attacks. [I will retrieve this document eventually] The source of Omega 3 in this study was Purslane used in salads and Walnuts.

As I have said all along, as far as cancer is concerned, our refusal to do any experimentation on Dr. Budwig's methods is a great disservice to sick people. In this area the experimentation we are doing has little meaning to me and instead of people getting well, we have a lot of "may help some sometime" or "may prevent etc. etc."

People like myself can't wait.

Cliff

Hi Mike Martin,

That`s all good news. At least some groups are getting the Flax message out, in spite of the neagativity of the Pharmaceutical cartel..... Congratulations to Dietician Jane for her lecture. We need good people everywhere, to help people out there obtain EFA`s. Dr. Budwig`s Protocol can really help ill people as well. Keep up the good work, and, when is the next book coming out? Keep me posted...I`ll be the first to buy it.

Ciao for now, regards to you, Dietitian Jane and family. Good writing, good observing and good health, Mike Cinelli

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Dear Group,
As regards the toxic elements in flax seeds.
Here is a site which deals with similar chemicals in many plants.
This is seen by other alternative elements as the reason that they
work against cancer and see them as a desireable part.
This was the basis for the use of laetrile.
http://www.navi.net/~rsc/nitrilo1.htm
Frank

Jack,
thank you for your informative answer.
I am glad that you have your problem under control.
Regarding your statement:
"There was a trend toward a decrease in PSA levels in men with early-
stage prostate cancer (Gleason sums of six or less), but in men with
advanced prostate cancer (Gleason sums of more than six) PSA levels
continued to rise."
I think you are referring to the Duke University study of last July.
That was flax seeds only, no FSO and no sulphur proteins with it -
and no mention of Dr.Budwig either. I have seen this study
criticized for that elsewhere.
But they continued with this positive note:
"It's not surprising that a diet therapy that was only taken for an
average of 34 days had little effect on men with aggressive
disease," Demark-Wahnefried said.
"But what we did see was that for the men on the diet, their tumor
cells did not divide as quickly and there was a greater rate of
apoptosis (tumor cell death) in this group."
Wilhelm

To The Group :

As many of you know, my wife has written the first ever consumer guide to flax and nutrition. It has sold very well I am quite proud of her. We paid for the publication and marketing efforts of this book ourselfs and the information is for everyone - not scientist or other dietitians.

During the creation of the book, we had many recipes that we could not include because of printing deadlines. So now we are going to put those and other recipes into a cook book.

I am asking the group, if you have a favorite recipe using ground flax seed or flax oil - please email it to me privately. If we use it in the book, we will be sure to give you the credit you deserve and a complimentary copy (when completed). Could be a nice conversation piece to show the grandkids - lol.

I promise we will look at each recipe and will notify you as to the status of your recipe. (not all will make it)

Respectfully,
Mike Martin
www.flaxrd.com
mike@...
Flax Your Way to Better Health

Hi Mike

Thank you for your kind words - its well appreciated. I will pass on your thoughts to Jane!

I am not certain I share the view that flax is under attach from the universities. Much to the dismay of the drug cartels, the positive benefits of flax have snowballed to the extent that its even bigger then the drug cartels. Archer Daniel's Midland has source vast amounts of flax to be introduced into food products from A to Z. ADM has the resources and where-with-all to withstand any attacks from these drug dealers (LOL). We have been in touch with Ameriflax (American flax institute) regarding the number of human studies presently taking place. Skatchskatchawan (sp) Flax Council is also conducting numerous studies as well as ENRICO - the momentum will be difficult for the profit mongers to stop. Flax is going to be on everyone's lips sooner or latter here in the next couple years .( no pun entended). Dietitian Jane spoke before the Illinois Dietetic Association last week and her lecture was the one most attended - the word is spreading like wild fire. Opera had Dr. Weil
on there a couple weeks ago and he mentioned the importance of Omega-3 fats.

But Sadly like Cliff has said, none of the studies that I am informed about have a thing to do with the Budwig Protocol. I think its because the research is showing so much positive information without using the sulfur amino acids - that scientist don't understand the importance. When I spoke to a nationally known Bio-chemist last fall, and asked him about these SAA, he just kinda looked at me like - why? flax is yelding excellent results without it. Now don't jump down my throat, I absolutely believe that for fighting cancer - I wouldn't stray from what people here have found to work.

Unlike many other suppliments, I believe that flax is safe from attacks. It will be here for those who need it. Its many uses will be further defined. I believe that in the end, the importance of essential fats, vitamins and other nutrients are going to blow scientists minds with all they can accomplish. This is a major big deal for peoples health.

Respectfully,
Mike Martin
www.flaxrd.com
mike@...
Flax Your Way to Better Health

Hi Gerry,

It`s good to hear from you. You always seem to "hit the mark" with your arrows. This time it is choosing the right person to seek aid from, whether it`s in Health Food stores, Doctors (MD.`s) or Naturopaths. And you are partially correct that we have surrendered some of our power to government agencies, but the rest of the story is, "It has been cleverly manoeuvred that way" by slick lobby groups purporting to represent good research, etc. Behind the whole ball of wax is the Pharmaceutical Cartel, who spin their web on all, as they have been doing for years. Congressional people , parliamentarians, members of the executive branches and even judges themselves, have been influenced one way or another. Money makes for good electons, trips, influence and so on...It`s sad but true, and we are in a non-perfect world...

Now it`s pay back time and as we awake from our Rip Van Wrinkle sleep of twenty years (or more-try 70!!!!) we find that the world has changed immensley and that we are being overwhelmed by legislation, government "protection for our own health and benefit", forced vaccinations ( if you want your child to attend school..." [ w/o telling the 'out' options], or the dramtic cruel prognosis "You have cancer. You will not survive beyond 3 months, possibly only 6 months at the most...' What can I do ,Doctor?' "you have to start your treatment immediately...." And what treatment is that, " Well, the only course open is a little/lot of this, and a little/lot of that"...(translation) Chemotherapy, radiation, surgery, drugs and more of the same, as long as you live..."Will you get it all?...'...etc., etc.

Gerry, I am not against doctors totally, but I am against those who blindly follow the AMA`s policies of pressure, threats, isolation, persecution, jail, and expulsion from the 'practice of medicine" as the AMA sees it. Now this would not be bad by itself if the AMA were only a Lobby Group (which it is ) or a spokes group for the MD.`s who choose to join it (which it is), but it also has become the semi-official power behind the scenes of the health movement in the USA & Canada) over the last 70 years or so. It has influenced everyone, politicians, doctors, people and has crept into just about every crevice of society by "lies, damned lies, and more lies" [A MarkTwian expression].

Today, when everyone is throughly convinced that the AMA`s message is valid, there suddenly is a terrific backlash brought about by better informed, thinking people who are disillusioned with the dismal results of chemotherapy, radiation, surgery and drugs ( I call it 'synthetic medicine"), and the food we take in with the lies of the food processors, which up our bellies and those of our children with "junk, damned junk and miore junk". Try to sail through a supermarket today to find "pure food", (or a scool lunch program), and it is virtually impossible. You know all this better than I do... Didn`t doctor Budwig warn us about the Food Prcessors? About unscrupulous doctors? About Government Agencies that are influenced? About the warped power of the Pharmaceutical Cartel? She left that world and went to do her own "saving" of terminally ill people. She has given us one of the best formula in the world for arthritis, heart infarction, strokes, cancer, diabetis, and other
life threatening dideases.We are grateful but the rest is up to us. Thank God for the Internet, although funny things do happen here, too, eh?

In this attack on herbs, "Pay day" has arrived and the Federal Agencies have the "Law" to uphold. No doubt we will hear, " I`m only doing my job [ read, 'duty'], buddy" if they even talk! When the German Officers said that at the end of World War Two, at the Nurembourg Trials, no one accepted this as a defense. They were hanged....Now this " slogan" is part and parcel of the langauge today in most government agencies.

Can we do anything about all this ? Yes, and no. Will we do anything about it? Yes, and no. It`s too bad that our electronic world has swept us up and we are too busy to pay attention. This list , however, does pay attention. We listen, we read, we try. We even feel deeply. That is where the strength is. And we have the truth of tradition and a long history that Herbs are good food and also for healing. Read Hippocrates , galen and all other great healers, past and present...

All we have to do is find good herbs and keep them away from the Bio-Generation (GMO processes), and/or grow a lot ourselves. And of course, we cannot use the word "cure" when taking herbs and talking about them--- the AMA saw to that~ or you will be Practicing Medicine without a License! And don`t try to tell someone what to take for this or that. That can be construed also as Practicing Medicine without a license! (even telling someone "to take an aspirin" can land you in court for "Practicing Medicine without a license.") Can you fight it? Yes, you can. In the courts and by "writing letters to the editors"of local and national newspapers , by writing to Congressmen and to anyone who will listen, like state legislators, City Councilmen, mayors, and even Big Paharmaceutical Companies, Food Processors , like Kellogs, Quaker oats, Gemneral Mills, etc.... Call, write and visit. When the publicity gets bad, Government Agencies and Food Processors will bend. The heat must be
hot before they move, but don`t count on this all the time.

With this FDA Raid incident in Holmes County, we really don`t have all the facts. But a Congressman can get them, because as I stated, a Federal Agency must answer to Congress or at least to their inquiry.

So Gerry, I agree with most of what you say because you have always been level headed and also very practical. Let`s hope more light is shed on this incident and that it becomes a valid point around which to rally. The United Nations, The Pharmaceutical cartel, The FDA, The USDA, and other US Agencies are trying to get Codex Alimentarius through to becaome the "Rule of the World", in the classification of food and HERBS. It is a paper thin disguise and this attack in Holmes County, Pennsylvania (?) is only the tip of the iceberg.

Thanks for reading this far...Good reading, good monitoring and good writing to Congresspeopel/Parliamentarians, and Good health to all, Mike Cinelli

Just read this newsletter, and I have a question/concern. It says pregnant women should not take much Flaxseed oil. I have talked my daughter-in-law into taking it for several problems she is manifesting, one chronic fatigue and some possible MS symptoms. She is in her second month. Can she take the recommended FO/CC for her weight with safety?

Thanks, Pat

I know this is a flaxseedoil list but...... I find milk thistle and dandelion and raw beets very helpful with liver issues.
mjh
In a message dated 4/23/02 8:53:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, aleathak@... writes:

Hi all

Update on my friend,
she has been using fo/cc for a few months now though not consistently everyday. She has also been taking a few other things aswell, wheatgrass, b17 some juices ect. The last visit to the doctor said that her kidney was obstructed and believed it to be a tumor pressing up against it, She was told that she had lost the other kidney and in a short time it would cease to function. Well they removed the stent and 2 weeks later the other kidney is now working at %50, just to re-cap she has cancer of the liver,and lungs due to re-occoring colon cancer. Asside from that she got a good bill of health for her lungs there was no scan but her lungs do not seem to be giving her any problem. The other day she was coughing up bile or something yucky, do any of you think this could be a sign of healing?, though her liver is swallen and she still has pain from her liver cancer i am feeling very hopeful that it will go down in time but maybe i am wrong, what do you all think could be
happening
Lea

Hi all

Update on my friend,

she has been using fo/cc for a few months now though not consistently everyday. She has also been taking a few other things aswell, wheatgrass, b17 some juices ect. The last visit to the doctor said that her kidney was obstructed and believed it to be a tumor pressing up against it, She was told that she had lost the other kidney and in a short time it would cease to function. Well they removed the stent and 2 weeks later the other kidney is now working at %50, just to re-cap she has cancer of the liver,and lungs due to re-occoring colon cancer. Asside from that she got a good bill of health for her lungs there was no scan but her lungs do not seem to be giving her any problem. The other day she was coughing up bile or something yucky, do any of you think this could be a sign of healing?, though her liver is swallen and she still has pain from her liver cancer i am feeling very hopeful that it will go down in time but maybe i am wrong, what do you all think could be
happening

Lea

Hi Mike Martin andDietician Jane,

Thanks for this very valid post post which clears up a current misconception/misinformation and one that lingers in everyone`s mind about heat and Flaxseeds/ and/or the "cynaide" issue. You have done a real service with your attentiveness and vast knowledge.

By the way, I enjoyed Dietician Jane`s Book on Flaxseed, and would encourage anyone to read it as a start on this long journey back to health. It is a good basis and. along with Dr. Budwig`s protocol, a lot of good can come from being well informed.

Flaxseed and Flaxseed oil will be under heavy attack, as has already happened in many quarters, especially in University Research Centers that obtain funds from Private sources (read Pharmaceutical) , and even Federal Grants ( read-your money as dispensed by the FDA, USDA, NIH,etc.). Most groups have their mind made up as to desired results to be obtained, and will only allow money for studies that are related to Flaxseed alone. No where will you find a study conducted on the benefits of The Dr. Budwig Protocol of Flaxseed Oil/ Quark ( low fat Cottage cheese/Yoghurt), combined with ground Flaxseeds. This combined protocol actaully becomes a different food, and should be treated a such. Cliff has repeated pointed out that he has never yet seen such a study....

Thanks again, Mike martin, for your real contribution to the list, Mike Cinelli

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Hi Leonard,
Thsi would be a great Conference to attend. I am sorry that I am overseas
and cannot do so. Thanks for posting this valuable information and others
like this, as well as the well balanced e-mails you send. I read evryone of
them and enjoy your input.
Good health to you and yours, Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli
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Wilhelm, Joel, Peter,
I live in the Netherlands and will turn 55 this month.
My urinary problems came on rather quickly in the time
space of one month if I remember well.
Having to pee in the night. Not being able to empty
the bladder completely and loosing urine after that.
Dripping and so on.
After a search on the net I concluded that I had BPH
(Benign Prostate Hyperplasia) or a swollen prostate
that reduced the volume of my bladder.
Than the search for a remedy began. I am very much
a do it yourself guy and will only seek help when I am
at the end of my own resources. So I did not see a doctor yet.
So I don't know what I got or do I? I had urinary problems
and I don't have them anymore.
I started out cautiously with 2 tablespoons of flaxseed oil and
three tablespoons of ground flaxseed and 100 grams of no fat
quark (not organic) on 13 mars 2002. Also 1 multivitamin for
people over 50, 1 tri-zinc 50 mg, 1 Lecithine 1200 mg and
4 spirulina. The spirulina is for detoxing the mercury of my
13 amalgam fillings. I learned that you have to crush those
spirulina tablets or else they come out in one piece.
I wrote already that I felt a sharp pain in my hipbones the
second day. I don't think that discussing this makes much sense
but anyway I have marked that I went to 6 tablespoons of
flaxseed oil, 3 tablespoons of ground flaxseed and 300 grams
of no fat quark on the 27th of Mars 2002. And juicing vegetables
2 egg yokes, alfalfa, walnuts, carrots and the like.And exercise
in the form of jump rope.
On April the second I started measuring how much I was peeing every
time. That was already 250-300 cc. after 3 weeks of fo/quark.
April 8 I stopped measuring because it was every time 400 cc and
500 cc was also possible.
The six tablespoons caused me to gain weight so I decided
to go on a maintenance regime of 2 tsp. for some time
in order to get rid of the weight on April 13.
After 2 days a creeping sensation occurred in my hipbones.
That scared me. On April 15 I went to 4 tsp fo/quark and
I am still on that now, not gaining or loosing weight.
Of course I read Cliffs history. I'm making these bookmarks
Wilhelm and I'm reading them also. Here is one piece:
There was a trend toward a decrease in PSA levels in men with
early-stage prostate cancer (Gleason sums of six or less), but in men
with advanced prostate cancer (Gleason sums of more than six) PSA levels
continued to rise.
Also I think that it would be very unethical to discuss the fate of the
people who died on this list. I'm not in for that.
I want to express my thanks to Cliff for starting this list
which has been so beneficial to me.
Jack

kATHY..GO HERE Go to THE LIST WHERE YOU KEEP YOUR GROUPS OR THE hOME PAGE SOME OF US CALL IT. iN HERE YOU WILL SEE bOOKMARKS,cLICK ON HERE IN RED. Any problems let us know. Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

Hi Henry,

Here is the format I use when sending an e-mail/letter to members of Congress. It goes through the" Washington Post" one of the few 'honest" newspapers left in the USA. There is also a section where you can have your article printed in the "Washington Post".

E-mail and/or Letters and Newsprint do get results at times. The options of what you can do are listed below and it`s fairly easy to go through the directions. Make your voices known...or they may be silenced forever. We still have this very unique option open to us....and the Federal Agencies must answer a Congressman`s request...One e-mail/lettercan be sent to several members using this format provided by the "Washingto Post"...

I hope this helps you and others on the list who may wish to contact their Congress people and other members of Congress.

Good luck, good health and good contacting, Mike Cinelli

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Wilhelm
Thanks for the reply.
John

But Melanie..if they are pulled from the market and off every shelf where are you going to buy herbs, and anything made from them..from? This is being now a big concern..and something we should have all been more aware of then at this moment. There has been warnings-coming across the boards..but! sometimes we overlook the stories because we just figure " LET someone else take care of it." Like so many other things people like ourselves don't want to get involved, or just don't have that kind of time to go out to make public speeches. Or we feel there will be someone out here telling us we are al crazy that this certainly isn't going to happen here In Good old'USA? It is when we let our shields down..that it is when things like this topic sneak upon on.

And Big Bucks talks
Miz Judy..

Here's what I think, I think that you have a good idea, however, the REAL DRUG CARTEL, aka, the PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES, will beg to differ. You see, they're in it for the MONEY, Honey, and unless you can pay up, then I'm sure it'll be a loss cause, but I'm willing to help, anyway! Let's fight these B@%&*()$# all the way! Herbs are GOD GIVEN GIFTS to us to use, and as long as I'm alive, I will freely use them in any way I see fit! THAT'S WHAT I THINK!
Melanie

COMPLEMENTARY & ALTERNATIVE APPROACHES FOR TREATING & PREVENTING CANCER
When: Saturday, June 22 from 9AM-1PM
Where: Washington DC Naval Heritage Center Theatre
Cost: $45 (first 100 registered receive 250 page local resource book for
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CEU's are available for social workers.
Presenters:
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Some of the topics include:
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d.. Local cancer coach and author Carole O'Toole discusses how to find the
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The first 100 registrants will receive a copy of Carole O'Toole's resource
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Please forward this message to current or former cancer patients, healthcare
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For questions, contact Cynthia Chatfield, Vice-President Educational
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The National Foundation for Alternative Medicine [NFAM]
1629 K Street NW, Suite 402
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Phone 202-463-4900 FAX 202-463-4947
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Hope to see you there.
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