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mjh and group,
I noticed by accident that member bgtt57 has recently done a lot of
work to make a search of the archives easier. If it was posted here
before, I missed it.
Go to our sister list FlaxSeedOil

Dee,

Keep reading all you can find as there are reports that show that low cholesterol is dangerous.

Lorenzo

Hi, how much flaxseed oil is needed each day to help lower
cholesterol?
Thanks,
Dee

My liver levels (AST and ALT) go us whenever I take flax oil for long
periods of time. When my levels continued to rise, the dr. gave me every
test imaginable to see why. All hepatitis tests came out negative. I
don't, nor did I ever, drink. I've been off chemo for 2 years and while I
was on it, my levels were normal. As soon as stopped taking fo/cc, the
levels went back to normal. When I began to take fo/cc, they rose once
again. I continue to take the fo/cc anyway, but when my liver levels rise
to a dangerous level, I stop taking the fo/cc for one month, and begin again
when my levels go back to normal.

Hi Lynda,
Thanks for your views, real or imaginary, erroneous or not. Good idea to
stop now on this "skyblown" topic. We finally agree 100 % on something,eh?
Ciao for now, Good health, good luck, good reading and good 'researching".
Mike Cinelli
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My goodness Mike, I'm surprised that you believe my views to be
unfounded since, judging by your reply; you didn't even read my
post.
I'm not disturbed by the question "What is the purpose of a
poll ... " Nor do I have any need to define or defend a poll. I'm
disturbed by your rudeness, defensiveness, and view that even the
appearance of questioning Dr. Budwig's protocol constitutes some kind
of conspiracy. In fact I agree with you 100% that "this list does
not need insinuating, unfounded comments flooding it." Which is
why I find your references to someone "claiming" to be new, "fitting
the profile" of an evildoer from the Pharmeceutical Cartel, and not
being "innocent, unknowing, or unsuspecting" etc. to be totally out
of place.
I defended NOT the allopathic profession; but a person's right,
even responsibility, to question ALL protocols whether allopathic or
alternative. I honor and respect everyone who makes the tough
choices ... WHATEVER their final decision and whether or not I agree
with it. I certainly anticipate being faced with hard choices at
some point in time, for myself or a loved one. In the meantime, I
seek answers; for wellness, prevention, and treatment. Seeking
answers entails asking questions. Certainly, answers are to be
found in archives and websites and books. Asking questions in the
here and now helps to clarify and solidify the impressions and ideas
that are found through study.
You have apparently found THE answer for yourself and for some
reason seem to feel that no further questions should be asked by
ANYONE. Except possibly for questions pertaining only to the
specific use (how many tablespoons etc) of the protocol you have
decided on. The fact that some people are still searching and
evaluating the protocol itself seems to offend you ... indeed you see
it as an effort to "confuse" and "distort"!?!?!
The stated purpose of this group is "This group will be for the
purpose of information and discussion concerning the value of
Flaxseed Oil in DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS pertaining to Health and
Physical Well being," not "the use of Flaxseed
Oil a ` la Budwig"; though that certainly seems to be a primary
focus. There are many people on this list who have been extremely
helpful, kind, and supportive. I have seen you post valuable
information. I have also seen you put down and intimidate people
from asking for the help they came to this group seeking. You see,
Mike, some people came here to find out IF this might be the answer
for them; not already KNOWING everything.
I realize now that what I have to say cannot and will not change
your perspective or attitude because you will continue to read things
into my words that are not there. I recognize there is no good
coming from this continued discussion. This will be my final post
on this topic ... I have no doubt you will take the opportunity to
have the last word :-)
Lynda

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Intravenous Ascorbate as a Chemotherapeutic and Biologic Response
Modifying Agent
by The Center for the Improvement of Human Functioning,
International, Inc., Bio-Communications Research Institute
(Emphasis added by DoctorYourself.com editor Andrew Saul)
More papers posted in their entirety at
http://www.brightspot.org/Vitcresearch.htm
Introduction
For over 15 years we have studied high dose intravenous ascorbic acid
(IAA) as an adjunctive therapy for cancer patients. Initially, doses
of 15 g per infusion were used, once or twice per week. These doses
improved patient's sense of well being, reduced pain, and in many
cases prolonged life beyond prognostications of oncologists.
Twelve years ago, we used infusions of 30 grams of intravenous
ascorbic acid, twice per week, and found that metastatic lesions in
the lung and liver of a man with a primary renal cell carcinoma
disappeared in a matter of weeks (1). At that time we believed IAA
was useful for patients with cancer solely through two biological
response modifier mechanisms: increased production of extracellular
collagen ("walling off' the tumor as proposed by Cameron and Pauling)
and enhancement of immune function. We subsequently reported a case
of resolution of bone metastases in a patient with primary breast
cancer (1A) using infusions of 100 grams, once or twice per week (2).
In a recent publication (3) we presented evidence that ascorbic acid
and its salts (AA) could be more than biological response modifiers.
We found that ascorbic acid is preferentially toxic to tumor cells
suggesting that it could be useful as a chemotherapeutic agent.
Preferential toxicity occurred in vitro in multiple tumor cell types.
We also presented data suggesting that plasma concentrations of
ascorbate required for killing tumor cells were achievable in humans.
Others have described in vivo toxicity in multiple tumor types and
animal models (4-8).
Here we wish to summarize our experience using IAA for approximately
50 patients with cancer. We include our protocol, precautions, and
case studies of two patients treated for metastatic renal cell
carcinoma.
Treatment rationale
From our studies (3) we concluded that:
Tumor cells are more susceptible to the effects of high-dose,
ascorbate-induced peroxidation products because of a relative
catalase deficiency; and,
Concentrations of ascorbate high enough to kill tumor cells likely
can be achieved in humans.
Subsequently we tested samples of human serum from patients receiving
IAA, and confirmed that AA concentrations can reach levels that are
cytotoxic to tumor cells in vitro. Using densely populated
monolayers, three-dimensional hollow-fiber tumor models, and human
serum as a growth medium to closely mimic what occurs in vivo, we
found that an AA concentration of 400 mg/dL effectively kills most
tumor cell types. Originally we reported that a concentration of 40
mg/dL was adequate (3). Those early data were generated from in vitro
studies using sparsely populated cell monolayers and standard tissue
culture medium
(Figure 1 (which may be seen in the original paper posted at
http://www.brightspot.org/intravenousascorbatearticle2.htm )shows the
responses to increasing doses of ascorbate of four human tumor cell
lines grown in dense monolayers in a medium of human serum.)
Figure 1 Caption:
Response to sodium ascorbate (mean of 12 samples) of tumor cell lines
Mia PaCa-2 (human pancreatic carcinoma). SK-MEL-28 (human melanoma),
SW-620 (human colon carcinoma), and U-2-OS (human osteogenic
sarcoma), all from ATCC, Rockville, MD. Results reflect total viable
cells. Maintenance medium was DMEM High-glucose culture medium
(Irvine Sci.) wf 10% heat-inactivated fetal calf serum + antibiotics
+ Fungizone, 5% CO2 humidified incubator at 37 degrees C.
Experimental medium was human serum from patients with diagnoses of
respective human tumors. Cultured for 3 days after supplementation of
ascorbate. Seeded with 24,000 celIs Avell in 96-well culture plates
(Nune). Absolute quantitation of live cells determined using
previously described microplate fluorometer method (16).
Figure 2 Caption:
Plasma ascorbate concentrations during infusion of 65 grams ascorbic
acid in 500 ml sterile water at a rate of one gram AA per minute.
Whole blood was taken via a heparin lock from the antecubital vein of
the arm contraleral to the arm receiving the IV infusion. Plasma AA
concentrations were determined using high performance liquid
chromatograpy. Patient I was a 74-year-old male who had a diagnosis
of non-metastatic prostate carcinoma, who had received more than 30
IAA infusions in the two years prior to the study. Patient 2 was a 50-
year-old male with a diagnosis of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma who had
received l6 IAA infusions prior to study. Patient 3 was a 69 year old
male with a diagnosis of metastatic carcinoma of the jejunum who had
received 16 IAA infusions prior to study.
Figure 2 depicts plasma ascorbate levels of three representative
patients given 65 grams of ascorbate over 65 minutes. Patient 1 with
localized prostate cancer was clinically well and had received IAA in
the past; he achieved a peak plasma concentration of 702 mg/dL.
Patients 2 and 3, had diagnoses of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, and
metastatic carcinoma of the jejunum, respectively. Both had received
several IAA infusions at the time of study, yet achieved lower plasma
AA concentrations of 309 mg/dL (patient 3), and 396 mg/dL (patient
2).
From the data in both Figures 1 and 2, one can see that the
concentrations required to kill tumor cells can be achieved at least
briefly in human plasma. Figure 2 suggests the need to measure post-
IAA plasma ascorbate concentrations to determine if patients are
achieving what we expect are adequate concentrations.
Infusion Protocol
Treatment choice
Treatment of cancer with IAA should never be considered to replace an
effective, proven treatment. It should only be considered in:
Cases of treatment failure using proven methods cases with no known
effective treatments; and,
Cases in which it is used as an adjunct to proven treatments.
Because IAA treatment is experimental an appropriate informed consent
form should be read, understood, and signed by the patient.
Precautions and side effects
The side effects of IAA in our experience are rare. However, there
are contraindications and potential side effects to be considered.
1. Although it has been reported only once in the literature, tumor
necrosis, hemorrhage, and subsequent death after a single intravenous
10 gram dose of AA, as reported by Campbell and Jack (10), should be
the highest priority concern for the safety of IAA for cancer
patients. For this reason, we always begin with a small dose (see
Infusion).
2. Another report described acute oxalate nephropathy in a patient
with bilateral ureteric obstruction and renal insufficiency who
received 60 gram IAA (11). We have also heard one case report of a
patient with colon carcinoma, receiving daily IAA, who developed
nausea and vomiting and was hospitalized for dehydration (12). Both
cases show the need to ensure that patients have adequate renal
function, hydration, and urinary voiding capacity. To these ends, our
baseline lab tests include a serum chemistry profile and urinalysis.
3. Hemolysis can occur in patients with a red cell glucose-6-
phosphate dehydrogenase (G6PD) deficiency. We therefore test G6PD on
all patients before beginning IAA infusions.
4. Localized pain at the infusion site can occur if the infusion rate
is too high. This is usually corrected by slowing the rate.
5. Because ascorbate is a chelating agent, some individuals may
experience shaking due to low serum calcium. This is treated by a
slow (1 cc per minute) intravenous push of 10 cc's of calcium
gluconate.
6. Rivers (13) reported that high dose IAA is contraindicated in
renal insufficiency, chronic hemodialysis patients, unusual forms of
iron overload, and oxalate stone formers. However, oxalate stone
formation may be considered a relative contraindication. Two groups
of researchers (14,15) demonstrated that magnesium oxide (300 rng/d
orally) and vitamin B6 (10 mg/d orally) inhibited oxalate stone
formation in stone formers.
7. Given the amount of fluid which is used as a vehicle for the
ascorbate and the sodium hydroxide/sodium bicarbonate used to adjust
the pH, any condition which could be adversely affected by increased
fluid or sodium is relatively contraindicated. For example:
congestive heart failure, ascites, edema, etc.
8. As with any intravenous site, infiltration is always possible.
9. Ascorbate should only be given by intravenous drip. It should
never be given IV push, as the osmolality of high doses are capable
of sclerosing peripheral veins, nor should it be given
intramuscularly or subcutaneously. There is always a trade-off
between fluid volume and osmolality. We have found an osmolality of
less than 1200 milliOsmal to be tolerated well by most patients
(Table 1, which may be seen in the original paper).
Baseline work-up
Prior to administering large quantities of ascorbate, we gather the
following information for a baseline and as a way to monitor
therapy:
Serum chemistry profile with electrolytes
Complete blood count with differential
Red blood cell G6PD
Urinalysis
Patient weight
Tumor type/staging
Appropriate serum tumor markers
Appropriate CT, MRL, bone scans, and x-ray imaging
Table 1 Caption:
Osmolality of various amounts of sodium ascorbate/ascorbic acid in
sterile water and Ringer's Lactate (mOsm; isotonic = 300 mOsm).
Hypotonic mixtures are underlined: useful mixtures from isotonic to
1200 mOsm are in bold. An equal volume of IV solution is removed from
the bag or bottle, prior to adding concentrated sodium
ascorbate/ascorbic acid solution (500 mg/mL).
Infusion solution
In high-dose ascorbate therapy, many intravenous solutions are
hypertonic. This does not seem to present a problem as long as the
infusion rate is low enough and the tonicity does not exceed 1200
milliOsmal (mOsm). We generally infuse AA mixed with Ringer's lactate
(RL) solution for AA amounts up to 15 gram, and in sterile water for
larger amounts of AA. We presently use a sodium ascorbate/ascorbic
acid mixture Containing 0.91 moles of sodium per mole of ascorbate
(500 mg AA/mL, pH range 5.5-7.0, Merit Pharmaceuticals, Los Angeles,
California, and Maclaskey Pharmaceuticals, Wichita, Kansas). Table I
shows the osmolalities of commonly prepared solutions.
Infusion
As indicated in the precautions, a small starting dose of 15 gram AA
in 250 mL RL over 1 hr is recommended. The patient is watched closely
for any adverse effects. The dose can then be gradually increased
over time. The infusion rate should not exceed 1 gram AA per minute;
0.5 gram/mm is well tolerated by most patients. Although there is
variability due to scheduling and tolerance, a typical protocol will
consist of the following infusions:
Week 1: 1 x 15 g infusion per day, 2-3 per week
Week 2: 1 x 30 g infusion per day, 2-3 per week
Week 3: 1 x 65 g infusion per day, 2-3 per week
The dose is then adjusted to achieve transient plasma concentrations
of 400 mg/dL, 2-3 infusions per week.
According to our working hypothesis, the goal of the infusions is to
raise plasma ascorbate concentration above the tumor-cytotoxic level
for as long as possible. Because the ascorbate is so readily cleared
by the kidney, the optimal infusion rate will result in tumor-
cytotoxic plasma levels of ascorbate for the longest time periods--
and hopefully, maximum tumor cell killing.
We advise patients to orally supplement with 4 grams ascorbate daily,
especially on the days when no infusions are made, to help prevent a
possible scorbutic "rebound effect."
Case histories
We have seen patients with almost every type of solid tumor in our
clinic. Many of them have received IAA, with various degrees of
success. Our cases include a patient with cancer of the head of the
pancreas who lived for 3.5 years with IAA as sole therapy, resolution
of bone metastases in patients with breast cancer, many patients with
non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (none of whom have died from their disease),
resolution of primary liver carcinoma tumors, resolution of and
reduction in size of metastatic colon carcinoma lesions, and
resolution of metastatic lesions and over 3-year survival in patients
with widely metastatic ovarian carcinoma. We plan to present a full
compilation of cases in another communication.
We have seen only two cases of metastatic renal cell carcinoma,
considered a uniformly untreatable disease. Because the results were
so dramatic, people with this disease could potentially benefit the
most from IAA treatment.
Following are those two cases.
Case 1
A 52-year-old white female with a history of renal cell carcinoma was
seen in our clinic for the first time in October, 1996.In September
1995, shortly after diagnosis of a primary tumor in her left kidney,
a nephrectomy was performed. Histology confirmed renal cell
carcinoma. No evidence of metastases was found at that time. In March
1996, metastases to the lungs were found on chest x-ray film. In
September 1996, a chest x-ray film revealed 4 1- to 3-cm masses in
her lungs. One month later there were 8 1- to 3-cm masses in her
lungs (7 in right lung, 1 in left).No new medical, radiation, or
surgical therapies were performed prior to her visit to our clinic in
October 1996, when she began IAA therapy. Her initial dose was 15 g,
which increased to 65 g after 2 weeks, two per week. She was also
started on: N-acetyl cysteine (Vitamin Research Products, Carson
City, NV), 500 mg 1 p.o., QD; beta-1,3- glucan (a macrophage
stimulator, NSC-24, Nutrition Supply Corp., Carson City, NV), 2.5 mg
3 p.o. QD; fish oil (Super-EPA, Bronson Pharmaceuticals, St. Louis,
MO; 300 mg eicosatetraenoic acid, 200 mg docosahexaenoic acid), 1
p.o. TID; vitamin C, 9 g p.o. QD; beta-carotene (Beta Carotene 25,
Miller Pharmacal Group, Inc., Carol Stream, IL), 25,000 lU. 1 p.o.
BID; L-threonine (The Solgar Vitamin Co, Inc., Lynbrook, NY), 500 mg
p.o. QD (for a deficiency revealed by laboratory testing of serum);
Bacillus laterosporus (Lateroflora, International Bio-Tech U.S.A.,
San Marcos, CA), 280 mg, 2 p.o. QD for intestinal Candida a/b icans,
inositol hexaniacinate complex (Niaplex, Karuna Corp., Novato, CA;
500 mg niacin, 100 mcg chromium) 2 p.o. QD, and a no-refined-sugar
diet.
She continued IAA treatments until June 1997 when another chest x-ray
film revealed resolution of 7 of the 8 masses, and reduction in the
size of the 8th. According to the medical imaging report, "The
nodular infiltrates seen previously in the right lung and overlying
the heart are no longer evident and the nodular infiltrate seen in
left upper lung field has shown marked Interval decrease in size and
only vague suggestion of an approximately I cm density."
The patient discontinued IAA treatments in June 1997. She has
continued on an oral nutritional support program since that time, and
at this writing (December 1997) is well with no evidence of
progression.
Case 2
In December 1985, a mass occupying the lower pole of the right kidney
was discovered in a 70- year-old white male. Pathology of the mass
after a radical nephrectomy confirmed renal cell carcinoma. He was
followed by an oncologist at another clinic. Approximately three
months after surgery, the patient's x-ray film and CT scan
showed "multiple pulmonary lesions and lesions in several areas of
his liver which were abnormal and periaortic lymphadenopathy."
In March 1986 the patient was seen in our clinic (1). He decided not
to undergo
chemotherapy. Vie requested and was started on IAA, 30 g twice per
week. In April 1986, six weeks after the x-ray film and CT scan
studies, the oncologist's report stated,
". . . the patient returns feeling well. His exam is totally normal.
His chest x-ray shows a dramatic improvement in pulmonary nodules
compared to six weeks ago. The periaortic lymphadenopathy is
completely resolved..., either he has had a viral infection with
pulmonary lesions with lymphadenopathy that has resolved or (2) he
really did have recurrent kidney cancer which is responding to your
vitamin C therapy."
The oncology report in July 1996 stated, "there is no evidence of
progressive cancer. He looks well . . . chest x-ray today is totally
normal. The pulmonary nodules are completely gone. There is no
evidence of lung metastasis, liver metastasis or lymph node
metastasis today, whatsoever."
In 1986 the patient received 30 g infusions twice-weekly for 7
months. The treatments were then reduced to once per week for 8 more
months. For an additional 6 months he received weekly, 15 g IAA
infusions. During and after treatments, the patient reported no
toxicities, and his blood chemistry profiles and urine studies were
normal. The patient continued well, and was seen periodically at our
clinic until early 1997 when he died, cancer-free, at age 82, 12
years after diagnosis.
Conclusion
We believe that IAA has potential as a chemotherapeutic agent. We
hope our protocols for mixing and infusion of IAA, precautions to be
taken before and during its use, and clinical case reports will
justify further clinical trials and research with IAA for patients
with metastatic disease. We do not believe it is a cure for all
cancers. Although it shows promise as a sole therapy, particularly in
renal cell carcinoma, it should be used primarily as an adjunct to
other effective therapies.
Support
Our research is funded solely through donations from individuals. We
have neither sought nor received funding from government agencies. We
encourage readers to support our research. All donations to our 501
(C) 3 organization are tax-deductible.
Neil H. Riordan, PA-C
Hugh D. Riordan, M.D.
Ronald E. Hunninghake, M.D.
The Center for the Improvement of Human Functioning, International,
Inc.
3100 N. Hillside Ave., Wichita, Kansas 67219
Acknowledgments:
We would like to thank the Bio-Communications Research Institute
scientific staff who contributed to this research: Neil Riordan, P.A.-
C., Xiaolong Meng, MB.; Paul Taylor, B.S.; Jei Zhong, MB.; Kevin
Alliston, MS.; and Joseph Casciari, Ph.D. We thank Don R. Davis,
Ph.D., for editing this manuscript.
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Reprinted with the kind permission of Dr. Hugh D. Riordan and the Bio-
Communications Research Institute.
Dr. Andrew Saul

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Here is an entry in the journal for Orhtomolecular Medicine
Case from the Center: Intravenous Vitamin C in a Terminal Cancer
Patient
Neil Riordan (1); James A. Jackson, Ph.D. (2); Hugh D. Riordan, M.D.
(1)
In October, 1995 the author (NR) was completing a clinical rotation
with a physician in a rural comunity as part of his Physician
Assistant Training. His responsibilities included covering the
Emergency Room in the hospital and helping the town physician at his
three clinics. Emergency Room call was shared with a medical student
and the hospital and clinic rotation was for five weeks. A week into
the training, a home health care agency nurse visited the clinic and
asked if the medical student or the author knew of a treatment that
could help a "terminal" breast cancer patient with pain control. She
said the patient had cancer for several years and the latest bone
scan showed that the cancer had metastasized to "nearly every bone in
her skeleton." She was particularly worried about pain from
ametastatic lesion in the the patient's left upper arm. The patient
was taking I.V. morphine for pain and needed sublingual morphine to
cope with pain associated with getting up and going to the bathroom.
The medical student (who planned on a career in pain management and
anesthesia), enthusiastically described a nerve block procedure that
would relieve the pain but, "unfortunately," loss of function of the
arm, as well. Information about the experiences at The Center with
the control of metastatic bone pain using high doses of intravenous
vitamin C was given to the nurse. She was also furnished with
references describing the usefulness of Vitamin C in helping cancer
patients. One article, from the present authors, (NR, JAJ, HDR)
described the preferential toxicity of vitamin C toward tumor cells,
and presented evidence listing the plasma concentrations of vitamin C
that would be beneficial as a preferential cytotoxic agent in humans.
The nurse's reaction was less than enthusiastic. She said she would
ask the patient if she was interested and would also ask the
physician if he would be willing to try something like vitamin C.
Since the doses suggested in the article were in excess of 100 grams
intravenous per day, and the RDA for vitamin C is 60 mg per day, a
positive reply was not expected. Some physicians and health care
workers believe (wrongly) that any dose over two grams intravenously
will either kill you or make you very ill by inducing an acidotic
state. As fate would have it, this patient visited the clinic the
next day complaining of a painful, swollen, left arm. A Doppler
venogram revealed both subclavian veins to be blocked by blood clots.
She was admitted to the hospital and started on anticoagulant
therapy. Many staff did not think she would leave the hospital alive.
During clinical rounds, the patient said that she had read the paper
on vitamin C and was anxious to try the I.V. C therapy because it
offered her some hope. Also, the Home Health nurse said that she and
the physician had read the article and were were willing to try the
I.V. vitamin C treatments. The physician later said he was
enthusiastic to try something that could actually have a positive
effect on the pain and disease processes. He also said that he wanted
to clear the blood clots before starting the vitamin C treatment. He
was concerned that if an embolism occurred and the patient died, it
would be blamed on the I.V. vitamin C treatment (obviously an
enlightened physician). He did start the patient on oral vitamin C,
250 mg per day, to prevent scurvy, a common occurrence in
disseminated metastatic disease. The patient was treated one time
with Activase R to clear the clots. An arterial blood sample was
drawn from the patient's wrist shortly after the anticoagulant
therapy. This resulted in extensive subcutaneous bleeding with
bruising of the entire arm, and the site subsequently became
infected, swollen, and hot to the touch. She continued to receive
small doses of I.V. and oral anticoagulant therapy, antibiotic
therapy and oral vitamin C. The infection had not cleared within a
week, probably due to poor circulation in the arm and depressed
immune system of the patient. The next week, the patient's physician
visited Wichita and spoke to H Riordan at The Center. Riordan
furnished him with vitamin C to use in the I.V. treatment.
After two weeks, the patient was strong enough to take high doses of
I.V. vitamin C. Her physician ordered 30 grams of vitamin C given
I.V. in Ringer's Lactate solution. One of the nurses said that she
had never heard of such a high dose and she would not administer
it "because it would kill the patient." She was assured by the author
(NR) that patients at The Center and other clinical sites had been
given 100 grams and more of I.V. C without any ill effects, and that
he had personally taken 60 grams I.V. with no side effects. The nurse
was still not convinced. To prove the safety of the I.V. C, the
author started an I.V. infusion of 30 grams of vitamin C in Ringer's
Lactate on himself. He was seated next to the nurse with the I.V.
pole between them. The infusion lasted an hour and all the time the
nurse was saying "you are going to die" and wanted witnesses to the
fact that she would not be held responsible. As expected, there were
no side effects and after further observation for ill effects by the
head nurse for several hours, she finally agreed to give the I.V.
vitamin C to the patient.
The patient received 30 grams I.V. vitamin C on the first day, 40 the
next day and 50 the following day. After the third dose her right arm
was completely without swelling and the swelling in her left arm was
greatly decreased. Most notably, the infection in her left hand began
to resolve, and she did not need to take sublingual morphine for
pain. All, including the physician, nurses and patient were very
impressed. The physician ordered additional shipments of vitamin C to
continue the infusions. Infusions of vitamin C were increased to 100
grams per day, administered over five hours.
Within one week of starting the increased vitamin C infusions, the
patient was walking around the halls of the hospital, looking like a
new person. As the clinical rotation came to an end, the patient
invited everyone connected with the vitamin C treatment to her room
for a pizza party. The patient had her hair done and makeup on,
something she had not done in the recent past. It was a wonderful
pizza party, especially for a terminally ill cancer patient, once
bedridden with intractable pain due to disseminated bone metastasis
who, previously, was given a few weeks to live. After leaving the
hospital, telephone calls were made to the physician to follow up on
this patient. He said that she was discharged from the hospital one
week after the vitamin C treatments were began. She continued to take
high dose I.V. C treatments three times a week at home. Three months
after she began the I.V. C treatments she was surviving with
resolution of metastasis to the skull as shown on the bone scan. This
case illustrates problems encountered when dealing with health care
workers who know little about complementary medicine. One example is
the head nurse who thought that 30 grams of I.V. C "will kill you"
and refused to administer it until proven otherwise. Yet the nurse
probably had no hesitation in giving massive doses of intravenous
morphine to the same patient. This case also illustrates that,
occasionally, one encounters a physician who is willing to listen to
his patient and try treatments not accepted by the conventional
medical community. In this instance, both the physician and the
patient benefitted.
Case Update
As this article was in the process of being submitted for
publication, additional information was learned about this patient.
Upon discharge from the hospital, she returned home to find her
husband dead, apparently of natural causes. During a three month time
period, in addition to her husband, her brother and nephew also died.
It was also learned that while walking at a shopping mall, she
apparently fell, breaking her hip. She was readmitted to the hospital
where she died a short time later.

Hi Jeff,
Well miracles never cease to happen. It`s good to hear from you again, and
your suggestion does make sense.Where do I send my fines??? [ have you
counted all of them? Just kidding....]
The last time you wrote, you were going to an International Conference on
Food in Oxford??? [ or something] What happened there? ( Pls fill us in).
Hope you are well, and that your health is holding up, Ciao for now in good
health, Mike Cinelli
=========================================================================

Great advice from one of the greatest scientists who ever lived, in our age
and in all time. Thanks for this pointed quote. Ciao for now, in good
health, Mike Cinelli
====================================================================

Dear Group,
There is a book by Ewan Cameran and Linus Pauling written something
like 1980 named "Cancer and Vitamin C"
Frank.

Good for you, Geoff Beneze. You came to the right list. Regards again in
good health, Mike Cinelli
===============================================================

Hello Geoff Beneze,
It sure looks like a Hurrican came through, doesn`t it? I do agree with you
that some of the purpose of some of the messages seem to be an " attack."
Isn`t that strange? Thanks for posting. MJH`s advice is good, Ciao for now
in good health, Mike Cinelli
============================================================================
=====

Hi Lynda,
Thanks for your views even if they are inaccurate, in my opinion. If you are
disturbed by my question "What is the purpose of a poll?", then what you
write ..." what seemed to me to be a fairly innocent request or suggestion
from Sheri,." would follow
in the same category. I do not read Sheri`s answer or answers as innocent,
unknowing or unsuspecting. I see it differently as I also see yours. At no
time did I attack Sheri, as you and some other "newly appeared" people seem
to think. Sheri can defend herself, I`m sure, and the list does not need an
international incident, insinnuating, unfounded comments flooding it. As
far as being "thick or thin skinned", you will never know, because your mind
seems to be made up already.
Your defence of the allopathic profession (chemo, etc.) is admirable but
again distorted. But you are entitled to your opinion or views and I hope yu
will never be faced with the choices many on this list have had to make,
because of a controlled medical environment....
Lastly, if Sheri is seeking help for her cancer or her husband`s cancer, she
came to the right list, even though the detractors are now here by the
droves.Even detractors are welcomed! Sheri, like you, and everyone else can
avail themselves of Dr. Budwig`s information and can believe it or not,
research it, conduct scientific tests, use guess work and the like, but they
should be very careful when they add confusing facts, misinformation and
distortion to the Dr. Budwig protocol.
This list is made up of good people, and responds well to whomever needs
help. The others can lurk, join in discussions or do whatever else they
want, but it won`t be a "piece of cake" if they try to confuse.....
I apologize to the innocent people on the list who need help desparately,
and who have had to put up with this "imaginary insult" to Sheri, and the
ensuing assaults. Others can answer but getting back to the use of Flaxseed
Oil a ` la Budwig, is more important than this idle chatter.
In spite of all this, I hope the Dr. Budwig message gets out to a lot of
people. The "Newbies" would do well to get informed from the archives, or at
least stay around a bit before asking questions that distract, unless it is
an emergency. Poll? Can you define that? Can you give a purpose for a poll?
If so, I`m all ears.If not, it should be buried and put behind us....
Thanks for your message, although I do not agree with you as i stated above.
Good reading, good health and good luck, Mike Cinelli
============================================================================
=========

--- In Gettingwell@y..., califpacific@y... wrote:
"Do not let either the
medical authorities or the
politicians mislead you. Find
out what the facts are, and
make your own decisions
about how to live a happy life
and how to work for a better
world."
- Linus Pauling
--- End forwarded message ---

--- In Gettingwell@y..., califpacific@y... wrote:
Vincent Zannoni at the University of Michigan Medical School has
shown that vitamin C protects the liver itself. Even doses as low as
500 milligrams daily helped prevent fatty buildup and cirrhosis.
5,000 mg of vitamin C per day appears to actually flush fats from
the liver. (Ritter, M. "Study Says Vitamin C Could Cut Liver
Damage,"
Associated Press, October 11, 1986) F. R. Klenner, M.D. showed that
very large doses of vitamin C (between 500 to 900 mg per kilogram
body
weight per day) can cure hepatitis in two to four days (Smith, L. H.,
ed.
Clinical Guide To The Use Of VitaminC, Life Science Press, Tacoma
Washington, 1988, pp 22-23).
--- End forwarded message ---

--- In Gettingwell@y..., "califpacific" <califpacific@y...
Dear group,
Here is the foudation that puts out the book (journal) listed below.
There are many more vitamin studies linked on their home page.
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/

--- End forwarded message ---

Hi Cynthis,
It`s nice to know your views. Many men like relationships that are adult to
adult. I am one of them and I certainly meant no harm to "Sheri" other than
to say that polls are not needed. This little episode has become a "Rallying
Point" of some people who have been on the list for 36 hours. Wow! They must
be terrific speed readers, if they already read the Archives and the Dr.
Budwig articles....As a Point of Information, the Medical profession, the
Synthetic Pharmaceutical Cartel, and the allopathic world conducts polls.
Flaxseed Oil is a Food Supplement, at this time, and The Dr. Budwig Flaxseed
Oil/Cottage Cheese Protocol is not considered " legitimate medicine" but
rather what is known as "Anecdotal." If some people get their way, our Dr.
Budwig Protocol will come under strict control (Codex Alimentarius). If
everyone sends in his/her Testimonies and calls them "Polls", then perhaps
that should make everyone happy or at least "neutral". eh? Ciao for now and
good health to you and your husband. Mike Cinelli

Hi Lorenzo,

Good words are sometimes lost, eh? Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli

==========================================================

Mmmmmmmm nice to know you're all still bickering even without me.
The more I see these lists, the more I see the bickering.
Odd init.
You should all be fined for bickering ... then it would stop.
I suggest $5 each so far.
"Mike Cinelli"

My wife has been on the diet for 7 weeks, but is finding the oil too
much for her liver to process and has liver pain.
Anybody else experienced this, and what ws done to alleviate the
liver pain? Thanks

In a message dated 04/21/2002 9:33:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gabriela_88mx@... writes:
Fresh-pressed carrot juice has repeatedly been found to be highly effective
in healing cancer. In my opinion, it's WELL worth its calories and glycemic
index. However, because of it's moderately high glycemic index, I would try
not to juice much more than about 8 ounces at a time.
Leonard

Hello Miss. Caroline:

Thank your for your comments, yes, I have done what you said and now I have added five or six glasses of carrot juice a day, I hope this one will not increase my calories intake, and at the end will be the same.

Gaby.

"Carolyn J. Kreibich" <kreibich@...

Gaby,
I hope you have cut back on carbs from the break/grain food group. They
were not mentioned in your letter, but they can add a lot of pounds on,
and are generally low in nutrients compared to fresh fruits, vegetables,
and low fat protein. White turkey breast is high in protein and low in
fat. Eat salmon for the fish oil. But limit, really limit any grains if
you are getting fat.
Carolyn

Katheryn,

Would you please write me off loop. I would like to ask about your point system.

Thanks, Pat honiholo@...

So far, I have ZERO experience with it, that's what I came to learn.
--
Geoff Beneze
Tempe, AZ
BEAST Enterprises
Gunsmithing, target stands - http://www.beast-enterprises.com
NRA life Member - IDPA A00981

Simple observation.
I joined the list about 36 hours ago. So far, the "controversy" has
pretty much drowned out any useful information. Is this (yet another)
list where some LOOK to take insult and others LOOK to the attack?
If so, I'll seek my information elsewhere.
--
Geoff Beneze
Tempe, AZ
BEAST Enterprises
Gunsmithing, target stands - http://www.beast-enterprises.com
NRA life Member - IDPA A00981

Geoff
Hang up your sidearms and stick around for a while..... disregard the controversy and ask your questions regarding Johanna Budwig MD's protocol using flaxseed oil and cottage cheese, or share with us how you use it, how long, and your experience.
mjh
In a message dated 4/21/02 4:02:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, geoffb@... writes:

Simple observation.
I joined the list about 36 hours ago. So far, the "controversy" has
pretty much drowned out any useful information. Is this (yet another)
list where some LOOK to take insult and others LOOK to the attack?
If so, I'll seek my information elsewhere.
--
Geoff Beneze
Tempe, AZ

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Hello,
As someone who has been lurking on this list for a while; I'm
frankly disturbed by the reaction, particularly from you Mike, to
what seemed to me to be a fairly innocent request or suggestion from
Sheri. It seems odd to me Mike, that you are so vehement about how
tough (NOT pansies) the people on this list are; yet you seem to be
extremely thin skinned and defensive. It was apparent that Sheri was
just seeking information in a form that seemed useful or
understandable to her. It seems that courteously pointing out that a
poll might not be the proper vehicle or giving her instructions to
help her search the forum for testimonials would be much more useful
than attacking her. Perhaps her failure to sign her name was a
breach of "netiquette;" but hardly as sinister as you want to portray
it. There are many people, both newbies and oldies who are not even
aware of all the "rules" governing internet exchanges; but still they
come to the net to seek information. I have to wonder, Mike, why
you see not signing ones name as an egregious error; but harsh words,
rudeness, and a tough s*** attitude as perfectly acceptable
netiquette. You say you're not here to "finger point?" Then why
accuse Sheri of "claiming" to be new to the list, rather than accept
that she IS new? Why this (not very) veiled reference to coming
close to fitting the "profile" of members of a Pharmaceutical cartel
that are seeking to discredit Dr. Budwig? Because she asked a
question? Because she wants some info on the results other people
have gotten?
Surely Mike, you would expect someone seeking help with cancer to
thoroughly question doctors who are recommending and defending chemo
with the same fervor you defend Dr. Budwig? Would you expect that
person to just accept that chemo is the answer to curing cancer if
the person who told them so had written a book about it? How about
if they said that 50% of their patients are doctors or that they have
a 90% cure rate with this chemo? Many people have posted to this
list about their frustration with family members or friends who will
ONLY listen to their doctors information about chemo and radiation.
I have been down that road with a close friend myself. She went
through several chemo treatments and felt very hopeful each time.
Why ... because of the great results that were claimed by the doctors
who had done studies on the efficacy of that particular protocol.
I made all the info (including Dr. Budwig) I had on alternative
treatments available to her; but I still honored her decisions. She
certainly felt that she was doing "due diligence" by talking to many
doctors, internet groups about her particular cancer; and patients
who had gone into remission or apparently been cured by the chemo
treatments she was comtemplating.
Why is it so terrible for someone to come to a list like this
trying to find the same validation and hope for an alternative
treatment? There are many alternative cures for cancer out there; I
don't see ANYTHING wrong with questioning each and every one of them
when it's your or a loved ones life on the line. In fact, I think
it would be foolish NOT to try to discover if such treatment is as
successful in the "real" world as the person who invented and studied
it claims it to be. I don't see how asking a question about how many
people have really been helped by this treatment is belittling
anyone's beliefs. I too expected this list to be the place to find
that kind of info. Though maybe not; as it seems obvious that if
someone had NOT been helped by fo/cc regime they probably would not
still be posting on this list.
Incidentally, people on this list have had no problem at all in
belittling the beliefs of someone who feels that chemo has been or
might be of benefit to them.
I have read Dr. B's info and find it to be very impressive and
hopeful. Still, I appreciate outside validation, of the sort that I
HAVE found on this list in the testimonials of those who have shared
their stories. I suppose I could say those who "claim" to have been
helped or wonder if they are part of the flaxoil and/or cottage
cheese cartel; but I prefer to accept what they say at face value.
I came to this list seeking information on the benefits of flax oil
on health in general and with an interest in the experience of
others. I thought it was a list for information and discussing
those benefits and offering help to those who were seeking it. I
believed this implied a give and take; not a total, immediate, and
unquestioning commitment to flax oil, cottage cheese or to Dr.
Budwig's protocol.
Lynda

Hello Sheri, Lorenzo, Cliff and all,

This sort of 'hurt feelings" does not hold up. Sheri, I am sorry that you lost both parents to cancer. You are not unique, by any means. So did I, in addition to aunts, uncles, cousins , and friends and acquaintinces. I was helpless then but am not now. My sisters, too, came down with cancer and God only knows who else. That`s why many of us "fight back."

If you are serious about relieving "stress" then you can easily understand what many of us have gone through and are going through. If words hurt you, when they were not meant too, then perhaps it is good to review the whole line of converstaion.

It, unfortunately, was you who did not sign a name and claimed to be new, right at a time when attacks were being made and our messages were not coming through, and, and, and.....You must agree that it is proper "Netiquette" to identify yourself in some manner..... it is polte to sign a name, or get ready to get some heat since this list is not made up of "pansies."

Added to that, there are a lot of people working for the Pharmaceutical Cartel, and many have made their views known on the list, just to confuse our people, discredit Dr. Budwig and belittle our contributors. If you do not fit the profile, you came "mighty near" in my book. Now you claim that you will sign off this list. That only means that you are carrying this thing way beyond what was intended or is intended. However, that again is your choice.

Cliff, Lorenzo, and others have given excellent advice to all of us and you, too, should take heed of their words.

As for the "poll" idea, neither you, nor any list member [ ecept Miz Judy], or, for that matter any "detractors", , . have come forward to define "poll". It seems to resemble the word "Testimonial" and our list is full of healthy, tried and proven "results" , at least for those that stay on the list and care to answer. Dr. Budwig`s experience far outlasts any known procedure, medical or otherwise, that have such good results. Actually" excellent" would be the correct word.

Miz Judy gave a nice humorous "Quiz", which I expanded to have a little fun, release some tension and "counteract" the infiltrators, Quack Watch, and others who do not like this type of information going to needy people, just like you and your husband. Our information can help, but humor, too, is a big help.

If you do not see the humorous side of all this and still wish to withdraw from the list, then you are withdrawing for the wrong reasons. No one here, that is no bonafide list member, is malicious or wants to hurt anyone, intentionally or unintentionally, including myself. We are motivated by doing good works, and sharing our experiences, in the hope that they may benefit others or give others some encouragement to start "taking their own health back," a` la Dr. Budwig protocol. If you want that sort of info this is the list, perhaps one of the best ever, for simple, honest approaches, techniques and results.

If you are not interested in this, then many of us would wish you well, no matter what choice you make. We are not on this list to say, "I told you so", or to finger point. We are on it to share, on a give or take basis, with honor, respect, and dedication. If you can live with all that, good for you. If you can`t, many of us will say we are sorry to see you leave, and hope you will reconsider, since it is your husband who seems to need the help, as well as you. Your language is rather hard at times and does jump to conclusions. Step back and "look over the field", before getting so worked up. It may help ....because help first begins within us all....

Now of course , you can misinterpret what I have written above, and there is nothing I can do. So I leave it up to others to answer. Thanks for reading this, Good health, good self help, and good understanding, Mike Cinelli

===========================================================================================

Dear Miz Judy,
I bought my Weider rebounder at jcpenney.com for $43. It's good
quality. I know another person that got one from sportsauthority.com
for about the same amount.
Joe R.

Hi, my husband read somewhere that it is not good to take the f/o while doing
the chemo? Have a friend who is taking the f/o while doing the chemo, and
she has had ovarian cancer for 7 years and is her cancer markers have about
doubled in the last two months, even taking the flaxseed oil. She is taking
2 tablespoon. Cynthia

Carolyn
Farm raised salmon have a much lower concentration of Omega 3 fatty acids than the wild ones that are harvested from the oceans.
Hope this helps.
mjh
In a message dated 4/20/02 10:21:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kreibich@... writes:

Lorenzo,
What do you mean by "fresh salmon is weak"? I just bought some canned salmon. Carolyn Lorenzo

Lorenzo,
What do you mean by "fresh salmon is weak"? I just bought some canned salmon.

Carolyn

I have a rebounder. At the time that I bought one, I was told to check the
quality of the springs. That will determine how long the rebounder will last.
Carolyn
How do we check them?

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No, WiseOne, what you learned today is that not all that is sweet is sugar, just like not all tissue paper is Kleenex!
Long live we all who know the secrets of Stevia!
mjh
In a message dated 4/20/02 4:33:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mrjau@... writes:

STEVIA - South American Herb for Nutrition and Herbal Medicine
Life With Stevia: How Sweet It Is! Nutritional and Medicinal Uses.
Daniel Mowrey, Ph.D. ... Stevia as a Flavor Enhancer. ...
www.healthfree.com/stevlife.htm - 50k - Cached - Similar pages

WOW ! Now Miz Judy learned a new thing today.After all these years in growing, and eating HERBS. I never knew until now that STEVIA is an HERB And it is actually different than fruit-sugars ..Hum ! I will put a note of this in the cookbook.Thanks
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If you do a search on rebounders, you will come across places that tell
what you should look for in quality and endurance. It will also tell
you what about the springs etc and how they have an effect on your joints
such as knees, back etc. They are not all created equal.
Edith
In a message dated 04/20/2002 1:57:05 PM Central Daylight Time, mrjau@... writes:

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How does one test it? And Edit, are you meaning the joints of the rebounder or human joints?
I have a rebounder. At the time that I bought one, I was told to check the
quality of the springs. That will determine how long the rebounder will last.
Carolyn

And it determines how long YOUR joints will last. ;~)
Edith
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STEVIA - South American Herb for Nutrition and Herbal Medicine
Life With Stevia: How Sweet It Is! Nutritional and Medicinal Uses.
Daniel Mowrey, Ph.D. ... Stevia as a Flavor Enhancer. ...
www.healthfree.com/stevlife.htm - 50k - Cached - Similar pages
WOW ! Now Miz Judy learned a new thing today.After all these years in growing, and eating HERBS. I never knew until now that STEVIA is an HERB And it is actually different than fruit-sugars ..Hum ! I will put a note of this in the cookbook.Thanks

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Maybe Miz Judy could start a list for people who need an extra hug of understanding before they venture out onto the rough pages of real life. Lorenzo

Not a bad idea: I and a few other people will be glad to share a few hugs to those needing one every day. In fact we would also like one sent back in return now and then too.

And lets look at the word Understanding. It is to know well, and how to deal with. We can not understand a situation if we do not understand first what the problem or illness is, now can we?

Then there is a time to be Sympathetic, and a time to say, Sorry friend, but we must first get you to understand some things about your own body, and etc, then we might have something to contribute here to help you.

In all things there must be mutual agreement, each trusting another whom is seeking help. And I believe that if we have people on list able to reach out to help another person, that is a great gift in itself.

Stress is one of the main things some people do not realize can cause illness to go down hill very fast. And when we feedback nasty dictations it can irritate deeply another human being, and even cause them for not finding what they are seeking for..a little encouragement, a caring hug. Smiles across the miles, to a stranger can be so rewarding.
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[INLINE] How does one test it? And Edit, are you meaning the joints of the rebounder or human joints?

I have a rebounder. At the time that I bought one, I was told to check the
quality of the springs. That will determine how long the rebounder will last.
Carolyn

And it determines how long YOUR joints will last. ;~)
Edith

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Thanks Wilma for the lovely testimony..I am hoping Sheri will write you a letter.
Well I'm here, thanks again for the lovely books you had loaned me. I was in hopes to hear from you again. so today our paths cross again. I was about to write you another letter not to many days ago, to see how the flaxseed oil was working for both of you and now I know. Praise God.

Sheri, please don't let this little thing from the list keep you from reaching out to get all the help you can get. There are many here, that want to see to it that you do get help.

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Sheri- I hope you stick with the group. I know how you feel and I want to let you know how my husband is doing with flax seed oil. he started out April 24,2001 being told he had stage 4 lung cancer and it had spread to the adrenal gland. I never felt so low and helpless in my life. They ran all kinds of test and on June 29 they told us there was no help. he had a 5% chance. The day before my daughter-in-law went in a health food store in Toledo and asked them what they had for cancer. They told her flflax seed oil. So we started him on it that day. I got on my computer and came up with Cliff. He has been a God Send to me. He tells it like it is with love and compassion for all. Yes my husband took chemo. I told him all the fact and he reads alot of them but like I told him it is his body and I wouldn't make that choice for him. Any how his blood work has always stayed good, never dropped. Its been ayear now and his onocologist can not believe he is doing so good. The tumors
shrunk at first but have not grown and spread any. He just had a catscan this week, bone scan and xrays and everything is going the same. He takes his flax andcottage cheese faithfully. I take it also and feel good. My joints and back quit hurting and believe me I keep up with 14 grand kids. If you want you can email me. I'll be glad to chat with you. I went thru the same feeling you have. God Bless Wilma

In a message dated 04/20/2002 7:16:34 AM Central Daylight Time, kreibich@... writes:

I have a rebounder. At the time that I bought one, I was told to check the
quality of the springs. That will determine how long the rebounder will last.
Carolyn

And it determines how long YOUR joints will last. ;~)
Edith

<Esther,
<Please reply with your Postal Mailing address,
<and we'll get a free sample copy out to you.
<You'll love it!
<Jerry

Here it is, Jerry! THANKS!

Esther Poehler Wiechmann
3520 North 83rd Street
Milwaukee, WI 53222-2947

Can't wait to receive it!

Warm regards,
Esther

Carolyn
No. Stevia is not a sugar.... it is a sweetener.
mjh
In a message dated 4/20/02 8:06:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kreibich@... writes:

I am wondering about stevia sweetener. I bought a large bottle of the supplement
IP6. This is the powdered mix. Previous to that I bought the supplements. I
bought the powdered mix because it was a little cheaper. It has stevia in it,
much to my shock. I was thinking about adding this IP6 powder to my FO/CC because
I also add powdered MSM, but my question is..... IS STEVIA CONSIDERED A SUGAR? If
so, then I would not want to use it.
Carolyn

I have a rebounder. At the time that I bought one, I was told to check the
quality of the springs. That will determine how long the rebounder will last.
Carolyn

I am wondering about stevia sweetener. I bought a large bottle of the supplement
IP6. This is the powdered mix. Previous to that I bought the supplements. I
bought the powdered mix because it was a little cheaper. It has stevia in it,
much to my shock. I was thinking about adding this IP6 powder to my FO/CC
because
I also add powdered MSM, but my question is..... IS STEVIA CONSIDERED A SUGAR?
If
so, then I would not want to use it.
Carolyn

Regarding fruit....
I live in a northern state, Minnesota. I really like berries in my FO/CC. I
use blueberries or raspberries. During the winter months, I buy frozen
berries, thaw them, and use them. It works out very well. In the summer, I
use fresh raspberries and blueberries. I have a raspberry patch, so the
raspberries are 'free' then. I buy the blueberries at the Farmer's Market by
the case when they are 'in season'. Then I freeze these fresh berries.
Carolyn

Kathryn,

If you are not on the payroll of the Drug Pushers and paid to cause trouble: then as your say:

Kathryn There is no magic pill--you will have to read all the data and make up your own mind.

All I can tell you is what I did.

I was weak and tired in year 1950 at age 23------Fortunately I was Previously a Detective in the US Army. So I Read all the evidence and chose the "GOOD FOOD" Method. This was in 1950-----At that time I quit COLD sugar and flour and changed to only fresh real food that I had to prepare myself.

After one year I was very healthy and strong--- working ten hours a day -six days a week at a hard labor job--soon I was promoted to Foreman.

I feel that the evidence points to good food and vitamins.

I also strongly recommend that you read all of Linus Pauling's books- If you are intelligent as I think your are--you will gradually learn to see the difference, as Pauling displays the truth and the baloney quite clearly.

Actually I have heard that there are more studies on Vitamin C than you will ever be able to read in your lifetime: if you start now you will just get further behind!

I have taken five or more thousand milligrams of Vitamin C a day for a long time and some other Vitamins. Now Fifty two years later I am 75-- AND IN GOOD HEALTH.

DR. Linus Pauling was taking 18,000 Milligrams of Vitamin C for many years before he died at age 93. How old is your husband now?

Dr. Weil works for a University- some writers suggest that he had to cut down on Vitamins to keep his job.

You have a clear choice: Drugs or Vitamins! But you will have to read to find a solution.

I happen to believe Dr. Rath and it seems to me that He is right as those who attack him sell Drugs.

I feel we should "Just say No! to Drugs"

Kathryn, We have come to a place in History when the interested intelligent may possibly survive! The others will need be lucky.

Another writer claims that Doctors die at an average age of 58. Wow! Well they have all: Or if not all: most of the knowledge about Drugs; However We interested persons can easily gain most of the knowledge about nutritious food and Vitamins.

Kathryn, I have no serious Cancer--But not taking any chances- I bought fifty pounds of Flaxseed, partly so I could give most of it to the farmer who sells me eggs and partly to grind and eat it myself. IF I HAD ACTIVE CANCER I WOULD TAKE THE OIL with Cottage Cheese!

Also I have about fifty bottles of Vitamins and minerals which I take at least one of each, each week and I eat canned Salmon and "Sardines every week. ( Fresh Salmon is weak.)

Lorenzo

Gaby,

I hope you have cut back on carbs from the break/grain food group. They were not mentioned in your letter, but they can add a lot of pounds on, and are generally low in nutrients compared to fresh fruits, vegetables, and low fat protein. White turkey breast is high in protein and low in fat. Eat salmon for the fish oil. But limit, really limit any grains if you are getting fat.

Carolyn

Norma,

Take it back and get some from a different place. It should have nutty taste.

However your are supposed to mix it with Cottage Cheese and fruit---------but not if it tastes bad.

Lorenzo

Hi Sheri,

Join the Club. We ALL have been disappointed at one time or other on the internet or in life.

This is a place to get your ideas out. We have all gone thru what you describe. Remember WE ARE NOT your Mother!

Either learn to ignore Computer replies or SELL your Computer.

At least realize that if you keep the Computer there will come a day when you will not care what replies you get.

Best Regards,

Lorenzo

People come on this list with good intentions and great ideas that sometimes do not fly;

Then we find that they seem to post messages later that indicate that they are in need of help that we can not provide.

One of these was here and unable to cope with the reply that I sent to the WORDS that were sent here. They were not to that person that no one knows, the reply was to a set of words posted.

I would be pleased to send some encouragement if --- could tell us more--but with this -that- and now --- is devastated----and just now we can see the confusion.

That is life.

Maybe Miz Judy could start a list for people who need an extra hug of understanding before they venture out onto the rough pages of real life.

I was the teacher who tried to help; even when wrong, I still try, often in error.

However sometimes with success.

Lorenzo

In a message dated 3/23/2002 9:10:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lorenzo1@... writes:
<< Subj: [FlaxSeedOil2] Homocysteine
Date: 3/23/2002 9:10:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: lorenzo1@... (Lorenzo)

Hi All,
Let us please not send messages that tend to give others the feeling of
being attacked.
There are problems enough that we all are facing that we need to help
however and wherever it is needed and where we can. That is the only real
purpose of this forum.
One thing that many do not realize is the tremendous complexity of this
problem. I have certainly learned far more over the last eleven years than
I could ever learn from Oncologists by having office visits and getting
there treatments.
One thing I have learned is that in Prostate Cancer alone there are at least
30 different strains that all react differently to any approach. My
Oncologist says that the same situation exists with all cancers.
If 100 people on this forum used FO/CC and 75 said it helped and 25 said it
didn't we would still know virtually nothing from that alone.
There are so many other things that affect what is happening. Everything is
so individual. Where the FO/CC is used as nearly as possible according to
DR. Budwig's recommendations good things happen. I am not cancer free, but
the other day at the hospital cafeteria after a blood draw, I mentioned to a
lady in line that I had been stage 4 PCa eleven years ago and she looked at
me with major surprise.
A freind called me this afternoon and he had just had an evaluation and
there is no cancer evident. He is walking on air. Our situations are
different. I beleive by this time that My PCa is highly aggressive. That
makes a big difference.
I have several options left that I will add to the FO/CC and see what
happens. If my situation were less aggressive there would be less problem.
To really go by what anyone else's results we need to know more than a yes
or no. Dr. Budwig's results are the standard. Mariposas Clinic is Spain is
getting the same type of results and they have a money back guarantee in
part.
Everyone on this forum should share the results you are getting and why.
Then we can learn and will, I am certain, find encouragement and help.
If you are using chemo along with the FO/CC, for example, your results will
not be the same as using the FO/CC alone.
Cliff

While I do not approve of smoking; It is interesting to note that our ancestors who live in the temperate zones lived in a smoke filled hut, hogan, teepee or lodge during the inclement weather --This may have gone on since the discovery of fire and shelter.

Once I researched smoking and it may be that American tobacco and cigarette paper in a cause of Cancer. In China a simple paper is used for cigarettes and the tobacco is cured differently. At that time the Chinese Government did not think smoking caused Cancer.

It is simply unbelievable how one question meant very innocently
opened up an whole nest of bees.
To me, I have read all the posts and I am very confused as to who is
gaining, who is not, I don't care about names.. I care about results.
The stress has been horrible on both myself and my husband, and I am
at my wits end.. What I did NOT Need was a whole bunch of people who
do not know me or my situation, jumping all over me like I had some
contageous disease !
I will not post again... I May read but I feel you people in general
who attacked me, need a life if thats all you can think of to do,
other than try to help me to understand, since I am new to this way
of thinking.
I buried both my parents from cancer, and they went all the
traditional ways and I have very little use for that.. I was hoping
that I found a group of caring and understanding people... some are..
some are NOT... thanks for nothing to those of you who just don't
understand stress !
Thank you to those of you who supported me during these days of
attacking me for no reason at all !!!
Cliff.. I dont know what to tell you.. I thought you had a good thing
going.. you tell me one thing in an email. and post something
different here.. I'm thoroughly confused as to your intentions...
you may moderate me but it won't matter.. I'm done..
Sheri

Hello,
I've seen the discussion recently about using rebounders. If you're
looking for a high quality rebounder, I recommend that you check out
this website: http://www.cellercise.com/
David Hall first introduced the Needak Rebounder in 1995. He went on
to improve on that unit and now produces the "Cellerciser."
It's certainly more expensive than the "mini trampolines" that have
been discussed here; but after researching the subject earlier this
year (before buying), I felt it was worth it. The cheap mini tramps
don't offer the quality or safety of the more expensive rebounders
and it's easier to injure yourself.
I ordered the whole "kit" which includes a stabilizer bar to help you
keep your balance. The company is great to deal with, if you email
with a question you are likely to hear back from David Hall himself.
They are very professional and quick to get the product out to you.
And the rebounder itself is so well built and extremely pleasant and
comfortable to bounce on. I did have a rectangular, inexpensive
mini tramp years ago and there is NO comparison.
Lynda

Second hand smoke will also cause lung problems. If one works around places where smoke is heavy during the day, like in shops and factories where people smoke. Sitting at home, while others are puffing away, is not good on lungs. My father was a chain smoker and our house was full of smoke.The doctors are amazed that the rest of the family survived not getting lung cancer. Dad died with tubes for breathing, he had one lung removed, and the other was to far gone by that time to save it. It had been patched over patches. Up to his dying day, he begged my brother and sister to stop smoking. (they are still puffing away). My mother gets so upset to think that they have hung on to that ciggy, after all they had seen my dad suffer with. We keep wonder what "SCARE must they still get in order to stop.Odd as it may sound they stop for awhile and right back at it again. Yet they will tell you that they know it is bad for them. And my sister lately is having one operation after
another or other damages to her body. That I feel is caused from smoking.( I will not get into this subject now.

Flaxseed..The other day while I was in to get my Mammogram, this nurse was interested in wondering how I've survived not getting cancer after all these years.( nearly 12 now)..We talked about food, oils, etc, and how I changed my way of cooking: more than changing all my foods I eat. She was very interested, but I believe when I told her I rub my entire body parts with flaxseed oil, or sometimes olive oil after showers, is the one that intrigued her the most.
"Well you sure don't look like your in your 60's, she laughed, and those boobs are nice too..I'm sure from the look of your body there is no cancer floating around those nipples." ( How much more frank can I be here?)

Today my entire test results came back..I am Cancer free, because I am trying to stay one step ahead of the evil one. Slew-foot as some of us call the devil hasn't won anything yet. I intend to win a victory to the day I die. I am like Paul, running a race to the finish line. And as long as I have air to breath, and people out here asking for assistance..believe me I will somehow find them the right people to talk to, or find someone to find a method they can research for themselves. Already today I and Mel are getting interested in rebounding on that trampoline..NO JUMP roping..I have tried that and it knocks the inner's out of me, to come down on my feet hitting the earth beneath me.As for Mel, oh my it is a show watching him trying to master a jump-rope.That is something he never even learned to do as a child. No I think the rebounder is our best answer..if not later after we get one I'll let you know how we feel even about that gizmo. We'd like to have one we can take
everywhere we go, without the hassel.

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Hi Sheri,
Thanks for supplying your name. It is proper to supply a name and always
suspicious when someone writes and does not properly identify
himself/herself. Some choose to use a nickname, others initials, some a
first name and others their full name.The guessing game of "who are you"
often conjures up negative responses. When you wrote to me with 'whoever you
are', I guess you are a bit miffed and venting your feelings. Good for you
for doing that to clrear the air, but it still doesn`t change my opinion
about a poll. What is the purpose of a poll? Who will conduct it? What is
the possible benefit of such a poll? And why are the testimonies not
enough? Think about the people who have left this list. How will you get
their input? [ not to mention those who have passed on] etc. etc. Polls are
good for politicians who like quick "pop" answers, either to sway public
opinion or see in which direction the wind blows before they give an answer.
I am not trying to belittle you or suggest that your question may not have
some merit. I am stating that I don`t see any merit in a poll.
As for you leaving the list, that is your prerogative. No one would ever ask
you to leave, and I certainly am not doing that, but it is your choice. I,
personally like all kinds of people on the list because we try to share
information or make our experiences/ experiments , research, and our
viewpoints known. However, most of us have read the Dr. Budwig books or have
read Dr. Roehm`s excellent report,etc.and have some stories to relate
reference what has happened to them. Pls note that this is a very vubrant
list and the people on it are well tested. If you are new to the list,
you`ve come to the right place for information that can be helpful to you
and your loved ones, reference Dr. Budwig`s protocol..
.
Lastly, the question has arisen why we went out for a few days especially
just when a flood of e-mails were anti-phrmaceutical cartel.....It is
puzzling why our list has been damaged, attacked, mysteriously "off the air,
loaded with doctors, some phoney and others possibly real, etc. This has
been going on for sometime and a lot of disinformation has been introduced
and the members have responded well to keep this list open and healthy. I am
not suggesting that you are one of the detractors but I wish to point out a
little of the backgroud, because you are new. These views of course are my
personal feelings but since many people have 'lost contact" for a few days,
it is a possiblity, if not a probabilty, that some group is playing
mischief.
I notice that you sent another e-mail with a somewhat techical explanation

I agree 100%. I understood it to mean that when Sheri used the word "poll".
I didn't think she meant a formal poll or to start such a debate. Sheri - I
hope you are still on the list after all this!

Alisa, Sheri, I'm in favor of open discussion of the merits of FO/CC. It's worth knowing about cases where it didn't work or hasn't helped yet. However, I don't think the simple poll recommended by Sheri is the best way to go about it. Just to learn that someone says NO, it didn't work for me or YES, it did, is not enough. I would want to know the nature of the illness, if any, the length of the treatment, other medications or remedies used concurrently with FO/CC, the amount of FO taken daily, and probably a few other items that aren;' occuring to me now.

Best wishes,
Joel

Hi Dorothy,
Yes, I have a rebounder and have had one for the last 10 years. They are
wonderful, practical and a lot of fun.
I am including a paragraph from a recent message I sent to a person on a
Cross News Group List. It talks about costs, time, etc....all my own
experience and views. I hope it helps you a bit. By the way, I re-edited
parts because I found some errors I made, as always when I am in a hurry...!
Good hunting and good rebounding....Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli
P.S. I`ll be away for a few days and would be willing to answer any
questions you may have on what I wrote, when I return. Ciao again, Mike
Cinelli
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......
"5. Tired of exercising and/or finding time to exercise? I understand. But
again, what are the benefits of exercising? Do they keep you healthy? Do you
have to go far to do it? Time the big problem? Well, I solved these problems
a few years back by getting a small rebounder ( a baby trampoline). You can
use it right in your own home, no matter what the weather is, without
forcing yourself to go out....
It`s small enough ( about 3 feet across), circular and about 8 inches off
the floor. The springs are underneathe, and a type of thin, tough mesh
covers the trampoline. If you are too tired, or too ill to bounce, all you
have to do is spring lightly while on the trampoline and you will start to
move up and down along with the mesh/spring action. This is often enough to
get your lymth nodes working to the point where your nutrients are carried
better [ via the blood] throughout your body, the excess carbon dioxide in
your lungs gets expelled, your blood starts to circulate automatically, your
complete body starts to firm up slowly but surely, and more oxygen comes
into your body! The toxins get flushed from your body, instead of
accumulating and self- poisoning your system...You don`t have to do rebound
for 3 hours! All you do is to start easy, a few minutes a day ( 1 to 5
minutes...slow is better than fast!) , once, twice, or even three times each
day when you feel like it. As you get moving better, you will find that it`s
enjoyable and you will start to jump a little higher, and even dance on it,
without realizing what you are doing.
You are breaking the G-Force. ( the Gravity Force and the "push and
pulldown motions" makes your capillaries, arteries, muscles, etc., stronger
and stronger. The good thing is that you don`t even have to do it every day!
You can do it three, four, five or more times a week, because your body
needs a day of rest every 4 days, possibly so it can readjust to the new
energy and get rid of the wastes. I myself start doing 50 little jumps daily
for 4 or five times weekly, then increase to 100 jumps the next week and go
up by 100 per week thereafter. When I reach 1500 or 2000, I feel "fit as a
fiddle" and "fit to be tied!" Mind you, I travel a lot, so unless I stay put
for a while, I don`t often get up to 1500 or 2000.( I`m lucky to reach 500
to 700 daily . which takes less than 15 to 20 minutes to do... I often have
to start at a very low level to build up again.
There`s more! ( and I don`t even sell these or have an interest in a
rebounding Company!!)...The whole family can do it and all get healthy at
the same time. Don`t force anyone. Whoever wants to use it, can...they will
"hog" it once they find out how wonderul it is.
Now the all big question: "How much does it cost?"...Well the price will
vary from a department store bought one to the super- duper ones. garage
sales ask $5 or $10, Department stores sell them for about $25.00 +/- $5,
Sporting stores sell them a little higher but the quality may be better, And
the real professional ones are sold by health dealers. Your guess on cost is
as good as mine. I love mine as do my family members. Al Carter wrote a
wonderful book about it and its health benefits, something I read way back.
Good luck on this. ( I forgot...you can even 'rebound" as you watch T.V.,
talk, or even do something else...All of this is done to "Save time", a.k.a.
Time Management".
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Thanks again, Mike Cinelli

Thanks Lorenzo.

I do miss your ' pragamatic' answers!

Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli

Norma,
Taste and smell are very subjective. I suggest you ask at least two
other people to taste-test your oil (without suggessting to them that
it's rancid). I say this because I'm confident that the Barleans oil I
use is fresh, not only because it's date tells me so but because it
smells and tastes good to me. But my wife intensely dislikes the taste
of it.
Joel

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very best to my knowledge, and would not trust anything else. Barlean's
will give you
blueberries which I buy moist in a package and Stevia sweetener -- or
strawberries. Also, are you
Hi Dorothy, we picked up "Golden Flaxseed Oil" from Natures Best. It has a
best used by date of September 2002. While I tend to be a little sensitive,
I can usually get by most anything if it's good for me. This smells more
like when I used to paint with artist's oils. It makes me wonder if they
left it out too long before refrigerating or something. How does Barlean's
send it? Refrigerated?
As far as blending...it's been done by hand. Didn't think it would do well
in a blender. What is best?

I'd like a free dental digest
JP
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los angeles, ca 90028
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Thanks Mike the Poll was Cute..I think we al got the point a cross now. We can 0oll back on Homepage. Now I must pole-jump out to eat my later supper before Mel comes in with some polling questions as to whether or not I want to eat. If so I have to go help him.

Appreciate all you people sharing. We learn something new everyday. Whats that one quote." Your okay, I'm okay, and the rest are half okay."

Miz Judy

Hi Miz Judy and Mel.

Thanks for your comments below. They are appeciated. Your Poll below/

Q & A:#1 Yes

. # 2. At least 4-5 times weekly.

"The Testimony Poll" is a good name! Well done. "As for kicking butt," most people do that to themselves anyway, so no need eh? Just kidding. I think that the obvious is here. Most people are genuinely interested in more info on Dr. Budwig`s Flaxseed Oil/Cottage Cheesel Protocol, and others want ir discredited it because as Dr Budwig says, "It`s so simple and costs so little that..."

Again, your apt comments are appreciated. Testimonies seem what the "Poll" is all about and there are a lot of those coming in daily/weekly, and loads of them in the archives. Ciao for now and good health, good reading and good luck to all, Mike Cinelli

P.S I`ll answer the