Flax Seeds

I noted in the article that the main problem is with people who are already
having liver problems. Although that article didn't say anything about usage,
I read a couple of months ago about this situation. Most of the people who
had liver problems with Kava were taking larger amounts of supplements or
several servings of tea each day.
If I were going to take Kava, I would not take large amounts of it. I would
also watch for other things I was doing or foods and drugs I was taking that
stress the liver. Alcohol, tobacco, (I wonder about marijauna), many
prescription and over the counter drugs, especially tylenol.
There apparently is a serious issue with Kava. Germany considers many
treatments regular therapy which in this country are alternative. Canada and
other countries noted also have similar situations. When Germany considers
making this a prescription drug, there is definitely something serious to
consider.
The stated parallel with beta carotene is not valid. There is a difference
between having a temporary yellow cast to ones skin and permanent liver
damage, needing a liver transplant due to total loss of liver function, and
death due to loss of liver function. Obvious differences like these cannot be
dismissed. When we do in attempts to promote complementary and alternative
therapies, we do not forward that cause, but rather set it back. There are
definite problems with over use of Kava and possible dangers to those with
reduced liver function or those who are already liver stressed. I expect
that most of us realize that the parallel is more in jest or disgust at how
the FDA has gone overboard more often than not, but there are some who use
our sarcasm against us or reject other good things because of the concerns
they might see about Kava.
I expect that, at the least, there should be some sort of warnings on Kava
containing pills and teas; just as there are on ephedrine containing
formulas. As herb usage increases, we need to realize that excessive use of
any powerful acting substance may have some side effects. I use some herbs
that if given to an asthmatic or person with serious allergies might well
cause some serious if not life threatening reactions. There are some herbs
that I do not use and would not consider using because of their side effects
with me. There are herbs I would not recommend to those who are not well
versed in herbal remedies because of possible dangerous side effects. Perhaps
Kava might end up in that category. I await further information on this in
future months and years.
Clyde Leigh

Regarding carrots;
You know, I have been pondering this, and have seen the light! Carrots will kill you! However, the most dangerous substance known to man is water.
Noted researcher Mauricio Honez, of Gerry Mander University, has recently completed a study of 3,000 people who died, and he finds that 95.8% of them had a drink of water within 24 hours of death. An additional 2.2% of them had nothing but alcoholic beverages, .6% of them inhaled too much water while swimming, and the other .2% died of thirst on the Sahara Desert when their camel made a wrong turn.
Additional research is continuing, but I would advise all who read this report to avoid water like the plague until further research is completed. One must also be wary of fruit juices, as too much inhaled through the nose appears to have a detrimental effect on one's breathing apparatus.
Maury

Hi Maury

Thank god for your posting we all need a good laugh at times and I've laughed till I ache. I showed it to a pathologist friend of mine and he was interested in the statistics you presented. He said he could quite easily disprove them and drank a glass of water, he died five minutes later. So again thank you for a well researched piece and I wholeheartedly agree with your findings. I'm off now to have a glass of camel milk.

Cheers,

Stewart Hughes

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In a message dated 3/26/02 4:33:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, rc_glider@... writes:

Read my messages thoroughly. Separate the wheat from the chaff. I didn't
think anyone was going to take it all seriously. It's still a fact.....if
you eat carrots, you will die. Think about it.

...... and, if you are alive, you will die..... that's just the simple nature of things.
MJH

I must have missed something..BETA keratin, will turn us yellow if eating to much over a period of time. But Hey! who is going to sit around all day eating a bushel at a time. I suppose I'd been green for all the broccoli I have eaten..Now BLUE if I tale CS? This one really floors me.HA

A few years ago my mother's doctor told her that THEY( I take he meant the FDA, and all those that taper with science in the food industry..have means to gradually keep the population of the elderly down, by first starting us on contaminated foods. Soon as we are born, Wham-0-in goes the poisons, and over a period of time you will not grow to be very old, because this will begin a process of killing us off easily. And if the food don't finish the job then, we will be given medications and drugs that will. The idea he said was to keep the population down so Welfare and SSS, and the retirement won't need to pay for anything. I've been searching along time to get all this documentation, but it seems I get to a door that is closed to the public..Of Course it is..Someone don't want the cat out of the BAGGIE. I also laughed the more I've thought about this. Those that are behind this holding down population..What will happen when they start to get old? Will then just lay down to
die like the rest of us, or are they now planting their own gardens and staying off medications they know will eventually kill them. What do they have now a miracle drug just to keep alive..sure they do CLONING is here. And you know darn well no poor man will be able to pay for it..Then who will be the first to use such means of playing GOD?

Sure as some of us ignorant..fools out here find something that works to keep us healthy that hasn't cost an arm and leg, there is someone out in the world ready to condemn it so that they give a scare tactic, and think will STOP using it. Then maybe we had all better start taking those flower-beds_ I for one, and plant foods our bodies will be needing instead. Maybe we should now buy all the wares we can from the Barelens and other places that sell the right things, and be ready for what is ahead. What Country is not restricted, maybe we've better all pack up and move there.
Miz Judy

You are so right. Therefore, based on the evidence, carrots and water should
be placed under FDA jurisdiction and possibly banned because they may cause
death and disfigurement.
It won't be long and flaxoil will also be found to be toxic.
This is no different than what they did with DMSO and L-Tryptophan. They
focus on a few rare cases, and common sense is thrown out the window. It's
nothing more than an attempt to reverse the 1994 DSHEA law and place ALL
food and supplements under the new CODEC.
The media is quick to report on so-called studies of supplements that show
they don't work. What they fail to report however is the details of the
study such as if the supplement is synthetic, dosage, type (as in Vitamin E
which has several), and how the study was done etc. I believe about 10% on a
good day what the FDA/new media reports on supplements, and am skeptical of
90% of that which leaves about 1%.
Colloidal silver is another great example. There is no evidence of
toxicity, yet the public is duped into believing they will turn blue or die
if they drink it. Any cases of argyria is caused by silver compounds
(produced by chemical action), NOT electrolytically produced CS as is done
today. Common sense dictates there should be tens of thousands of blue
people walking around, but common sense is not part of the equation, big
money is. It's simple. CS works, is cheap and Pharmacia is hurt by it.

Thanks Jeome, best news I've had today. Miz Judy

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Of course, please keep us posted on your healing. Have you added Celebrex
to your regimen of herbs and vitamins?

Hopefully some of you can appreciate this. The oncologist wanted me to go see the thoracic surgeon about having the upper lobe of my lung hacked out in the hopes that he could convince me to do so. In speaking with the surgeon he told me if I was not going to go for FULL BRAIN RADIATION that I may as well not have the surgery and even if they did the surgery it was not a cure. The surgeon says "you have metatastic disease" and even with radiation & surgery you will not live more than 5 years. He stated if you do not have the lung tumor removed that it will continue to grow. I asked if he knew that for a fact and he said NO. He said after they did the lung surgery they would want to follow it up with radiation & aggressive chemo but I would still not make it past 5 years.

Now I have been waiting for one of these conventional doctors to pass a death sentence on me and here we have it. Do nothing or do the cut burn & poison and either way you will be dead by 5 years. I told him I was not one of the statistics and their is always god & spontaneous remission. Plus his statistics were not treating cancer the same way I am. I am actually grateful for his honest opinion since I have been praying for help on which path was best for me to follow. Having a deceased sister of lung cancer & a surviving sister, I have had some inner turmoil about what to do. This conversation revealed to me the tactic the oncologist who has said no chemo, would use if I did submit to surgery. I am now more than ever, committed to heal naturally, the way god intended. We are not statistics and with god's grace we can heal.

When I left the doctors office I thanked god for answering my prayer and showing me how to live past the 5 year path of destruction conventional medicine had planned for me. I also thank god for every one of you and your companionship on this journey. As Spock would say Live Long & Prosper :-) I'm not a trekie but I like that line.

Peace,

Eileen

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MAY GOD FORGIVE AMERICANS WHO THINK OTHERWISE

When the government begins posting world alarms on the hundreds of
thousands of deaths caused by 'approved' 'safe' FDA drugs, I may start to
get concerned after another 2 or 3.......hundred....... people get
spontaneous liver damage after taking Kava.
BTW, let it be known right here and now!!! If you eat carrots and drink
water, YOU WILL DIE. It's true!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15770-2002Mar25.html
Sorry, but the Post won't allow me to cut & paste the article here.
You can go to the above link and read the story of Kava linked to
liver damage.
Al

List: I have been using SILK organic soy milk for quite a while and the
carton does
not state anything about GMO. It does say "we do not use soybeans that were
produced using biotechnology." Is this safe or ? I use it on cereal and
don't
use much of other soy products. Is this safe? or ?? dorothy

Is there anyone on the list who lives near Sacramento California?

If so please notify Miz Judy or DFNewman..I can give you our e-mail when you get back with one of us..This is URGENT

Mike get back with Miz Judy..Got a question or two, but want to keep it off flaxseed list at this time.

Now I'm understainf KEFIR better,after I dug into files and found many things I had kept on chesse curds. pronounced as the following..

kefir Pronunciation: keh-FEER Notes: Kefir is like a thin, drinkable yogurt. It was originally made in Turkey out of camel's milk. It comes plain or flavored. To make your own: Add a tablespoon of plain kefir (with active cultures) to milk and keep it at roughly 110° for several hours, then refrigerate. Substitutes: yogurt (tarter and thicker) OR kumiss
Some time ago had written to Dominic, a friend I meant on reasearching, and again asked him to clear this up for me, and for anyone else that was passing this Grain off as something it wasn't.
I must confess I was really getting more confused the more I read about this Soured Cultured curd, that looks like popcorn ( cottage chesses texture). All my life our families called it sour curds. And Thanks to Dominic, whom came back again to help me out on this subject, I think I have it right this time around.
Kefir dates back more than a thousand years to the shepherds of the Caucasus mountains. They discovered that fresh milk carried in leather pouches would occasionally ferment into a naturally effervescent beverage. Marco Polo wrote about kefir in the journals of his travels.

Nowadays some say kefir is the perfect dairy food. Its tart flavor is similar to a drinkable yogurt. In addition to the naturally occurring healthful bacteria that yogurt has, kefir has beneficial yeast. The yeast and the bacteria work together to provide one of the principal health benefits of the drink. They assist in the digestive process. Additionally they provide an antibiotic effect for unfriendly bacteria.
Benefits of Kefir
In addition to beneficial bacteria and yeast, kefir contains minerals and essential amino acids that help the body with healing and maintenance functions. The complete proteins in kefir are partially digested and therefore more easily utilized by the body. Tryptophan, one of the essential amino acids abundant in kefir, is well known for its relaxing effect on the nervous system. Because kefir also offers an abundance of calcium and magnesium, which are also important minerals for a healthy nervous system, kefir in the diet can have a particularly profound calming effect on the nerves. Kefir's ample supply of phosphorus, the second most abundant mineral in our bodies, helps utilize carbohydrates, fats, and proteins for cell growth, maintenance and energy. Kefir is rich in Vitamin B12, B1, and Vitamin K. It is an excellent source of biotin, a B Vitamin which aids the body's assimilation of other B Vitamins, such as folic acid, pantothenic acid, and B12. The numerous benefits
of maintaining adequate B vitamin intake range from regulation of the kidneys, liver and nervous system to helping relieve skin disorders, boost energy and promote longevity.

If you are lactose intolerant, some people say you can drink it without the same problems you have with uncultured milk. Kefirs beneficial yeast and bacteria provide lactase, an enzyme that consumes most of the lactose left after the culturing process. People who dont like drinking milk may like drinking kefir for that reason. The low levels of lactose make kefir particularly easy for everybody to digest. The complete proteins in kefir are partially digested during the culturing process and are therefore more easily utilized by the body.

Kefir proponents again some people tell us helps to build the immune system, stimulates the digestive system and has a tranquilizing effect that calms the nerves. The presence of tryptophan, one of the essential amino acids abundant in kefir, is said to be the cause for kefir's relaxing effect on the nervous system.

High levels of calcium and magnesium are also present in kefir. Both minerals are necessary for a healthy nervous system and their presence in kefir adds to its relaxing effect. Kefirs ample supply of phosphorus, the second most abundant mineral in our bodies, helps utilize carbohydrates, fats and proteins for cell growth, maintenance and energy.

Kefir is high in vitamins B-12, B-1, and vitamin K. It is an excellent source of biotin which aids the bodys assimilation of other B vitamins such as folic acid, pantothenic acid and B-12.

Miz Judy..

Miz Judy,I've dedicated this information with you to share and use in your cook book: And my knowledge and possible benefits of Kefir of the Traditional of Kefir Making will bless now others to.

Peaceful Regards
Dominic

KEFIR Judy..It is not a field grain as many people think, it is produced as a Benefit, called Kefir. The word kefir is said to have originated from the Turkish word "Keif" which means "good feeling". Kefir, another cultured milk product, originated in the Caucasus mountains of Russia. It is variously cultured from the milk of goats, sheep, or cows. Its name translates loosely to "pleasure" or "good feeling." Due to its health-promoting properties, kefir was once considered a gift from the gods. Ever since the eighteenth century, kefir has been credited with healing powers. As early travelers to the Caucasus region came home with stories of its powerful healing properties, everyone wanted some of this medicinal miracle food. However, the necessary starter cultures, which were passed from generation to generation among the Moslem tribesmen of the Caucasus, were considered a very real source of family and tribal wealth. The tribes guarded the secret process jealously and
protected it with their very lives.
In addition to beneficial bacteria and yeast, kefir contains minerals and essential amino acids that help the body with healing and maintenance functions. The complete proteins in kefir are partially digested and therefore more easily utilized by the body. Tryptophan, one of the essential amino acids abundant in kefir, is well known for its relaxing effect on the nervous system. Because kefir also offers an abundance of calcium and magnesium, which are also important minerals for a healthy nervous system, kefir in the diet can have a particularly profound calming effect on the nerves. Kefir's ample supply of phosphorus, the second most abundant mineral in our bodies, helps utilize carbohydrates, fats, and proteins for cell growth, maintenance and energy. Kefir is rich in Vitamin B12, B1, and Vitamin K. It is an excellent source of biotin, a B Vitamin which aids the body's assimilation of other B Vitamins, such as folic acid, pantothenic acid, and B12. The numerous benefits
of maintaining adequate B vitamin intake range from regulation of the kidneys, liver and nervous system to helping relieve skin disorders, boost energy and promote longevity.
Micro Organisms in Kefir
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Saccharomyces Kefir,Torula kefir,Lactobacillus caucasicus,Leuconnostoc caucasicus,Lactic streptococci,Some yeasts
Interesting Facts
Kefir dates back to the shepherds of the Caucasus mountains. They discovered that fresh milk carried in leather pouches would occasionally ferment into an effervescent beverage. Its uniqueness from all other cultured milk products is the presence of more than three species in the culturing process.

Nutritional Facts
Kefir is rich in Vitamin B12, B1, and Vitamin K. The numerous benefits of maintaining adequate B vitamin intake range from regulation of the kidneys, liver and nervous system to helping relieve skin disorders, boost energy and promote longevity.

Miz Judy,I've dedicated a few Web page's to share WITH you, my knowledge and possible benefits of KefirTraditional Kefir Making .

Peaceful Regards
Dominic

While researching kefir in the early 1980's, I came across an interesting abstract. This explained how microbiologists had tried to unsuccessfully culture actual kefir grains during laboratory propagation of "starter cultures". These were pure mixed starter cultures, which were prepared from microbes isolated from kefir grains. After this and many unsuccessful attempts to try and spontaneously propagate actual kefir grains, they turned to the Caucasians and ask them how they acquired kefir grains! The Caucasians simply replied with:

"They were a gift from Allah, over 1,000 years ago"... which I thought was quite an appropriate answer < mystic-kefir grin

Could kefir grains have once been "manna"?... fallen into milk?

Manna, is the sweet white substance that fell from the Heavens, which fed the hungry Israelites, while Moses led them to the promised land. Manna actually means "what is it ?" Exodus 16 : 31 (Holy Bible)

Until this day, it's not fully understood how the polysaccharide matrix structure is created and which specific micro organism/s are involved in it's construction. The secret to this fascinating white to bone coloured, spongy, sour but clean smelling natural "mother-culture", still lies within the kefir grain itself!

When the secret to this intelligent-like self-organized bio-matrix micro-macro-system is unravelled, it may not only help us to understand this particular system, but could also help us to understand more about the workings of some diseases, such as tumours, carcinomas and diseases which may also involve microbial etiology, to say the least. This could also be true, not just for this one realm, the medical discipline, but could possibly open doors in other areas e.g. discovering new methods to producing new, organic/inorganic compounds, controlling biological wastes, and possibly help control some forms of pollution etc.

Traditionally, in the Caucasus Mountains, kefir was prepared with raw, full-cream goat's or cow's milk. Fresh milk and kefir grains was placed in goatskin leather bags and was then left to ferment for 24 hours. A portion of the kefir was then tied off in the leather bag and the kefir could then be easily separated from "most" of the grains. The kefir, with possibly a few grains, was then poured into a container and consumed. This would produce a foaming beverage, creamy in texture and consistency, with an alcohol content between approx. .5% - 2%. During cold weather, the leather bag was placed in the sun during the day, or hung near a fireplace at night. It was also a custom to hang the bag near a door way, whereby visitors would give the bag a gentle rocking action as they passed by.

Occasionally, kefir would be put through a secondary fermentation but without the grains. Fresh kefir was poured into a wooden barrel, sometimes with the addition of fresh milk. The barrel was plugged air-tight and left to ferment for some days. This produced a more carbonated beverage, with possibly a slightly higher alcohol content. (hey!.. is this kefir-milk-beer?) < hiccup-kefir-grin

* Till current date the mechanism behind the actual construction of the matrix bio-structure (the grains) is not yet fully understood. A soluble gel-polysaccharide discovered in kefir grains was unique enough to be given it's own name, "Kefiran". This polyssacharide is made up of two mono-saccharides; Galactose and Glucose. Experiments performed on mice have revealed this soluble-polysaccharide exhibited anti-tumour properties. In these experiments, kefiran was found to reduce the size of tumours. Much of this research has been carried out in Japan.

I will be sahring recipes using Kefir in my cookbook along with pictures.

Love Miz Judy

Thanks for the info.
Maury

To Miz Judy,

Have you tried using both Kefir and Yogurt cultures in the same batch?

Lorenzo

Mel and I done some research for helping ourselves and talked to our Back therapy doctor of Chromatic, << should have read Chiropractic

Mel just brought me the article to tell what the Manganese is: It is sugar, starch, and preservative free. It is a trace mineral that is necessary for normal skeleton development.It nourishes the nerves, and is needed for protein and carbohydrates production.

The body needs the full range of essential nutritional minerals for specific functions, including the proper utilization of vitamins and enzymes. For healthy bones, teeth, muscle, blood and nerve cells, Chelated Minerals are the dosage form most-often recommended to assure proper daily intake. Chelation is the pharmaceutical process of bonding each mineral to an amino acid. This bonding makes it easier to digest and assimilate each nutritive mineral for proper utilization in the body. Our mineral formulations contain No Sugar, Salt, Starch, Preservatives or Artificial Coloring ..Regular exercise and a healthy diet with enough calcium help teen and young adult white and Asian women maintain good bone health and may reduce their high risk of osteoporosis later in life.

Magnesium (aspartate, ascorbate): Our bodies contain between 20 and 28 grams of magnesium. Half of that amount is found in the bones. The remainder activates hundreds of enzymes throughout the body, and is critical for proper cell function. Magnesium is required for strong bones and teeth. It plays an important role in bone growth. Poor magnesium intake has been implicated in disorders such as osteoporosis. One of magnesium's most important roles is that of helping the muscles to relax. Magnesium deficiency is related to muscle spasms, tremors, and convulsions. Low magnesium levels are also related to depression and sleep disturbances. ( It also stabilizes the enzymes that produce cellular energy.Magnesium is critical for more than 300 different enzyme systems in the body, plus being necessary for healthy bones and ATP production, which provides cellular energy. Maintain the structure of your bones.)

Dr. K. S. McCully studied Homocysteine for many years. See his book. His conclusion: Take Vitamin B6, folic acid and B12. AS most of us do not get enough of them. He feels the Homocysteine level is more important by far than Cholesterol

Lorenzo

Hi Clyde

I have been studying this for quite awhile. Be sure get your homocysteine checked before adding

anymore Sulfur Amino Acids to your diet - it could be very harmful.

Where did you find this on the web? I find it very interesting that "cysteine
and methionine" are mentioned since a naturopathic doctor that my wife
consulted with recommended N-acetyl-cysteine and zinc methionine along with
some other things, including flax oil, though she didn't specifically
recommend cottage cheese or the Budwig diet.
Sometime, I have some questions for this group along this line. I need to get
some more data first.
Clyde

Mel and I done some research for helping ourselves and talked to our Back therapy doctor of Chromatic, he along with us was wanting to find out all he can about the Amino Acid Chelated Manganese 5 mg. We know that Manganese is necessary for skeleton development, nourishes the nerves and gives to us needed protein and carbohydrates production. When Mel finds a few minutes break this evening I will see what book he was reading to tell us all about this product. He buys mostly our of Puritans's Pride. Depending on what he is interested in. But the doctor said as long as we have had many years of deteriorate in the skeleton, he is for anything natural that can help restore.
I have an idea that when I had that large cancer on my leg, it done a lot of bone and nerve damage.
We have been nearly three years on the EllagiMax, an all natural Red Raspberry Extract. Before I had began this supplement we done intense research , spent hours on the phone talking to people.Again for my own benefit I felt this would help the bowels become regulated where as I didn't have to be living in the bathroom, nor the other way around, not spending enough time in there. Also this Red Raspberry is in capsule form, which means I get more seeds, then if eating a big bowl of red raspberries everyday. These also help to keep the cancer from getting back into the body..or help in ways I do not understand how it is established. We also take the following..but Mel would have to tell more as to what he has found they do for us.
1.Daily 3-with Antioxidant Factors
2.Beta Carotene Provitamin A
3.Oxy Plus ( Oxygen booster)
4.Coral Max
Then we are both on another different kind, for my blood pressure..and one to help Mel fight not getting Prostate cancer. He believes the above will also be a fighter for this as well. He will be 70 years old and has had no problems yet. When he was getting concerned this is when he again researched for himself.
Our doctors are amazed at how well we seem to have stayed all winter.When we felt a cold coming on, WE just drank a lot of tea, water, juice, and rested. We also take the time every so often to use the zapper, and use the Parasite walnut tinctures. We try to walk and exercise as much as possible. And by getting back-therapy now from 3 to 1 a week we are feeling more alive then we had three years ago. Mel just said the other day, "Without having our therapy, he would not have been able to even walk and work." For a fact I know he was getting to the place he hardly could move. And I was in a horrible way even last year. I was not able to do my own housework. We have to give some credit to the Immunocal for getting us back quickly on the road.So that all this other I've mentioned would begin to take effect to.
DIET: this has played a very and most important part to our health since I had the cancer 11 years ago. My problems all begin in 1987, that's what fifteen years ago..then by April 3, 1991, I had just begun using the cancer salve, that kept me weeks in bed in great pains.But with out God I'd never gotten it out by the roots, that doctors were so determined to cut my leg off up to the knee or further if it had already spread. WELL believe me I knew where it begin and ended, the pains told me so. It being just a little ways up from the ankle, to the bones right at the knee joint, If I find a chart I can explain it, but I'd need to point this out. Now remember before the cancer was off I was unable to walk, with out hanging onto someone or using a cane or crutch. I was unable to even go out the door in fear of tumbling on my fanny or face first. If that wasn't enough my bowels were not at all working properly and I had just had to undergo female operations two in there weeks.
Yes I know what misery is like, I had my share and more. I got to the place I begged Mel to go out side and get the electric saw and cut my leg off. I knew I could at least bear a little more pain: after all I had already been enduing plenty for years as it was. Our one family doctor got to the place he had no idea how to help me. He said I was becoming a basket case to much for his medical ability to handle. I was sent to specialist, that soon as they seen my condition they went for a medicine cabinet and pumped me with drugs. I was catching colds, flu's, and my allergies, sinus, headaches all got the better of me. I spend haft my life it seems in bed. I was 7 months in bed, prior to Shilah's birth.( Now I'm wondering if maybe I haven't caused her own heart problem, that she found out yesterday, she has a heart that of a 60 year old, and has to go for more test next week mainly to set up an appointment for the camera taking of the heart.) I MUST TELL YOU AT THIS TIME MANY
THOUGHTS CROSS MY MIND.

Miz Judy

My mother has major bone damage from the lesions caused by stage 4
adno-carcinoma,, the xrays look like a honey-comb. Is there anything that
can repair the bone damage if she was cured by fo/cc?
Maury Jones

To New Comers To Kefir

I would like to help educate people who are new to kefir, about a couple of important issues that seems to be causing confusion among some people.

First off, Kefir is not a yogurt. These are two completely different culture-products. Kefir is cultured with kefir grains, which is a natural mother-culture, containing a very complex microflora in comparison to yogurt. Kefir also have yeasts in it's symbiotic makeup; yogurt doesn't.

Kefir is a culture-milk "beverage" and not a spoonable curd similar to a yogurt. Please see this picture, which demonstrates how kefir-curds apear in a glass.

Hi MJH,

Thanks. Wow! Genovese pesto! Now that`s a treat! 9[ Sorry for a few slip ups on repeated words or the word 'lifes"...uuggh...I know it`s "lives"` but my computer doesn`t always want to respond or something like that...eh,? Ciao and all the best, Mike Cinelli

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Hi Operacat, Wilhelm and all,
My sister had cancer and one of her oncologists wanted to give her
chemotherapy and the second one was opposed. So
the two oncolgists agreed to select a third oncologist to act as an
arbitrator. The third one said she .."would be against chemothery if it
weren`t for the drug Tamoxifen". My sister was mentally preparing herself
for the treatment inspite of the views I offered her. Then I researched the
net for Tamoxifen and found a FDA paper sent ut to 20,000 doctors warning
them against the dangers in Tamoxifen. That sealed the deal. No chemotherapy
in that case....
She did not take the chemotherapy but "felt" she needed the radiation.
Again, I tried to show her that radiation kills both good cells as well as
bad ones, and that she might have deep aftereffects. ( Both of my opinions
were based on information from various doctors, as found in Dr. Robert
Mendolson`s book " Dissent In Medicine.", and other medical sources.) She
proceeded with her Radiation Treatments and on the last one experienced
severe pain and skin burning/hardening which necessitated a long bed rest.
Her husband put some Zinc Oxide on her burnt skin for some relief. When she
confronted her "radiation doctor", he shuffled through his papers, and all
he could say was, " Hmmm. Interesting. You only got the burns and this
condition on the last treatment. Most get it much earlier." My sister felt
so betrayed and incensed that she wrote letters to newspaper editors and to
all sorts of Congressmen, Government Agencies, and to the Governor of her
State. This, however, did not do any good for her condition, except to vent
some some anger. It was already too late because the "Horse was out of the
barn."
Now many people do not trust "alternative methods" because of an undying
faith and confidence in the Medical System and in Doctors. The problem here
is in the definition of the word "aleternative." To me it is a misnomer
because the so-called "Orthodox/Conservative" Medical doctors should be
called "Alternatives" because they are the ones who have strayed from the
Hyppocratic Oath of " First, Do No Harm", etc...Today 'alerternative
practitioners "actually want a return to the Hypocratic way of "Doing
Business." Somehow the word "Hypocritical" has gotten mixed up with the word
"Hyppocratic! by many in the "Orthodox" medical profession." [ This is my
genuine opinion...]
Second, Dr. Budwig warns us very clearly that Chemotherapy, Radiation and
Synthetic Drugs are extremely dangerous to the Immune System, because they
weaken it, oftetimes, beyond recovery. It is emphatically outlined in her
book [ a series of four lectures given in various places in Europe] on
"Flax Oil,As A True Aid Against Arthritis, Heart Infarction, Cancer And
Other Diseases". Dr. Budwig furthers explains why and how flaxseed oil mixed
with Quark (Cottage cheese/Yoghurt mixture) actually works and is super
beneficial to the body. She goes through a simple description of how to
understand the protocols involved, and on how to receover from these
serious diseases, not only by taking Flaxseed oil?Cottage Cheese, but by a
lifestyle often diametrically opposite of what afflicted people are
currently living. Much of this "miserarable sick lifestyle" is brought
about by the Processed Foods which we take in daily, the Lack of Omega 3 (as
found in the Flaxseed Oil.Cottage Cheese Combination, with some Flaxseeds
grounded in), The lack of sunlight, Prolonged sedentary habits, The lack of
some exercise and, of course, The lack of wholesome "live fruits,
vegetables, grains and nuts".[ The capitalizations are used for emphasis
only.Thanks.] She advocates a vegetarian diet, but allows some fish, (and
for those who want some meat), "because she is being kind." That little
book, of only 58 pages,also recommends getting close to Nature and a return
a spiritual union with the Universe, among other outstanding explanation of
electrons and sun radiation.
In addition, she has pulled so many people back from Death`s doorstep that
her protocol has been attacked and ridiculed by the Medical Profession,the
Food Processing Indusrty, The Media and the Pharm/Chemical Cartels in
Germany. These people are self-serving and do not care about you, me or
babies. Money is the prime mover in their case and the hospitals are
"chocking block full" in support of this statement. ( Yet, many of Dr.
Budwig`s detractors go to her for cure, and then return to their old
practice of attacking her, because they make their living from the very
things she warns us about! Hypocritical? Doing Business As Usual? Morals or
lack of them?"....You choose....
So what does she propose? How should one eat? What foods should one take?
What`s to be avoided? Dr. Budwig has made that easy, because she has put out
another small book, called "The Oil-Protein Diet", approximately 178.pages.
It is loaded with over 500 recipes, full of variety and imagination, that
would make anyone`s mouth water. Further, it has "The foods for the
Unwell", and which oils are good and bad for The Unwell, the Well and those
in between. Nothing could be outlined more clearly and more succinctly than
what she has done in these two books.They are "Must Readings" for the unwell
and healthy alike...
For those who want to "re-invent the wheel", or tamper a bit "here and
there", so be it, as long as they understand what she is saying and
advocating for a return to good health. For those who believe in the Toxic
Therapies of Chemotherapy, Radiation and Drugs , they are treading on a well
known dangerous path. The only difference is that the Pharma/Chemo Cartel
and their allies the Medical Profession, and the Food Processessors have
recently increased the list of depleted foods we eat, by introducing and
advocating the use of soy and GMO foods! (Genetically Modified Organisms or
Genetically Engineered foods). These foods are so far removed from Nature`s
basket of nutritious necessary ingredients, which the body desparately
needs to build a healthy immune system to fend off diseases, that it a
shame that they are even allowed to be put out on the shelves of
supermarkets and elsewhere. A person has to make his/her way through this
maze of landmines of what we are to eat. This does not even include the
glut of Fast Food Outlets that are slowly killing our bodiy cells , organs,
and systems, throughout the world by the "overuse of reheated fats and
oils." . If we don`t change our eating habits, we perish prematurely. It`s
as simple as that...All one has to do is to look about and ask. "What do I
see? How can I make my family , myself, my friends and relatives more
healthy, or at least "less unhealthy.?" It`s not easy to to do because of
the countless billions of dollars and clever tactics which the Medical Lobby
(The AMA) and the Pharma/Chemical Cartels have used on brainwashing the
American and world publics through their secondary allies, "the Mainstream
News Media!"... But that is another matter...
The main thing for someone to recover from a disease is a resolve "To do the
right thing" and Dr. Budwig supplies that , much to the consternation and
gnashings of teeth of the Powers that want her messagesilenced buried, and
forgotten. For those who can follow what she says, there is a "Pot of Gold
at the End of the Rainbow." For those who do not believe in a "Pot of gold",
there are other paths opened, like Chemothery, Radiation and Synthetic
Drugs. It`s someone`s choice."
In any case, I wish all the afflicted people the very best of health in
whatever protocol chosen. Firm belief may do some wonders... It is your
life, not the doctor`s life, nor your family member`s lifes, nor the
Pharma/Chemical Cartels` life.Life, nor my life A person should do what
he/she feels is right, but by all means try to read the two books by Dr.
Budwig, mentioned above . They will at least give substance for an informed
decision or a series of questions which can be asked intelligently to any
doctor. Information and informed consent are the key words....Ciao for now.
Good luck, God Bless and Good health to all, Mike Cinelli
============================================================================

Mike
I raise my bowl of pesto Genovese to you for this thoughtful, heartfelt post!
MJH
Michigan
USA
milpara@... writes:

Hi Operacat, Wilhelm and all,
My sister had cancer and one of her oncologists wanted to give her
chemotherapy and the second one was opposed. So
the two oncolgists agreed to select a third oncologist to act as an
arbitrator. The third one said she .."would be against chemothery if it
weren`t for the drug Tamoxifen". My sister was mentally preparing herself
for the treatment inspite of the views I offered her. Then I researched the
net for Tamoxifen and found a FDA paper sent ut to 20,000 doctors warning
them against the dangers in Tamoxifen. That sealed the deal. No chemotherapy
in that case....
She did not take the chemotherapy but "felt" she needed the radiation.
Again, I tried to show her that radiation kills both good cells as well as
bad ones, and that she might have deep aftereffects. ( Both of my opinions
were based on information from various doctors, as found in Dr. Robert
Mendolson`s book " Dissent In Medicine.", and other medical sources.) She
proceeded with her Radiation Treatments and on the last one experienced
severe pain and skin burning/hardening which necessitated a long bed rest.
Her husband put some Zinc Oxide on her burnt skin for some relief. When she
confronted her "radiation doctor", he shuffled through his papers, and all
he could say was, " Hmmm. Interesting. You only got the burns and this
condition on the last treatment. Most get it much earlier." My sister felt
so betrayed and incensed that she wrote letters to newspaper editors and to
all sorts of Congressmen, Government Agencies, and to the Governor of her
State. This, however, did not do any good for her condition, except to vent
some some anger. It was already too late because the "Horse was out of the
barn."
Now many people do not trust "alternative methods" because of an undying
faith and confidence in the Medical System and in Doctors. The problem here
is in the definition of the word "aleternative." To me it is a misnomer
because the so-called "Orthodox/Conservative" Medical doctors should be
called "Alternatives" because they are the ones who have strayed from the
Hyppocratic Oath of " First, Do No Harm", etc...Today 'alerternative
practitioners "actually want a return to the Hypocratic way of "Doing
Business." Somehow the word "Hypocritical" has gotten mixed up with the word
"Hyppocratic! by many in the "Orthodox" medical profession." [ This is my
genuine opinion...]
Second, Dr. Budwig warns us very clearly that Chemotherapy, Radiation and
Synthetic Drugs are extremely dangerous to the Immune System, because they
weaken it, oftetimes, beyond recovery. It is emphatically outlined in her
book [ a series of four lectures given in various places in Europe] on
"Flax Oil,As A True Aid Against Arthritis, Heart Infarction, Cancer And
Other Diseases". Dr. Budwig furthers explains why and how flaxseed oil mixed
with Quark (Cottage cheese/Yoghurt mixture) actually works and is super
beneficial to the body. She goes through a simple description of how to
understand the protocols involved, and on how to receover from these
serious diseases, not only by taking Flaxseed oil?Cottage Cheese, but by a
lifestyle often diametrically opposite of what afflicted people are
currently living. Much of this "miserarable sick lifestyle" is brought
about by the Processed Foods which we take in daily, the Lack of Omega 3 (as
found in the Flaxseed Oil.Cottage Cheese Combination, with some Flaxseeds
grounded in), The lack of sunlight, Prolonged sedentary habits, The lack of
some exercise and, of course, The lack of wholesome "live fruits,
vegetables, grains and nuts".[ The capitalizations are used for emphasis
only.Thanks.] She advocates a vegetarian diet, but allows some fish, (and
for those who want some meat), "because she is being kind." That little
book, of only 58 pages,also recommends getting close to Nature and a return
a spiritual union with the Universe, among other outstanding explanation of
electrons and sun radiation.
In addition, she has pulled so many people back from Death`s doorstep that
her protocol has been attacked and ridiculed by the Medical Profession,the
Food Processing Indusrty, The Media and the Pharm/Chemical Cartels in
Germany. These people are self-serving and do not care about you, me or
babies. Money is the prime mover in their case and the hospitals are
"chocking block full" in support of this statement. ( Yet, many of Dr.
Budwig`s detractors go to her for cure, and then return to their old
practice of attacking her, because they make their living from the very
things she warns us about! Hypocritical? Doing Business As Usual? Morals or
lack of them?"....You choose....
So what does she propose? How should one eat? What foods should one take?
What`s to be avoided? Dr. Budwig has made that easy, because she has put out
another small book, called "The Oil-Protein Diet", approximately 178.pages.
It is loaded with over 500 recipes, full of variety and imagination, that
would make anyone`s mouth water. Further, it has "The foods for the
Unwell", and which oils are good and bad for The Unwell, the Well and those
in between. Nothing could be outlined more clearly and more succinctly than
what she has done in these two books.They are "Must Readings" for the unwell
and healthy alike...
For those who want to "re-invent the wheel", or tamper a bit "here and
there", so be it, as long as they understand what she is saying and
advocating for a return to good health. For those who believe in the Toxic
Therapies of Chemotherapy, Radiation and Drugs , they are treading on a well
known dangerous path. The only difference is that the Pharma/Chemo Cartel
and their allies the Medical Profession, and the Food Processessors have
recently increased the list of depleted foods we eat, by introducing and
advocating the use of soy and GMO foods! (Genetically Modified Organisms or
Genetically Engineered foods). These foods are so far removed from Nature`s
basket of nutritious necessary ingredients, which the body desparately
needs to build a healthy immune system to fend off diseases, that it a
shame that they are even allowed to be put out on the shelves of
supermarkets and elsewhere. A person has to make his/her way through this
maze of landmines of what we are to eat. This does not even include the
glut of Fast Food Outlets that are slowly killing our bodiy cells , organs,
and systems, throughout the world by the "overuse of reheated fats and
oils." . If we don`t change our eating habits, we perish prematurely. It`s
as simple as that...All one has to do is to look about and ask. "What do I
see? How can I make my family , myself, my friends and relatives more
healthy, or at least "less unhealthy.?" It`s not easy to to do because of
the countless billions of dollars and clever tactics which the Medical Lobby
(The AMA) and the Pharma/Chemical Cartels have used on brainwashing the
American and world publics through their secondary allies, "the Mainstream
News Media!"... But that is another matter...
The main thing for someone to recover from a disease is a resolve "To do the
right thing" and Dr. Budwig supplies that , much to the consternation and
gnashings of teeth of the Powers that want her messagesilenced buried, and
forgotten. For those who can follow what she says, there is a "Pot of Gold
at the End of the Rainbow." For those who do not believe in a "Pot of gold",
there are other paths opened, like Chemothery, Radiation and Synthetic
Drugs. It`s someone`s choice."
In any case, I wish all the afflicted people the very best of health in
whatever protocol chosen. Firm belief may do some wonders... It is your
life, not the doctor`s life, nor your family member`s lifes, nor the
Pharma/Chemical Cartels` life.Life, nor my life A person should do what
he/she feels is right, but by all means try to read the two books by Dr.
Budwig, mentioned above . They will at least give substance for an informed
decision or a series of questions which can be asked intelligently to any
doctor. Information and informed consent are the key words....Ciao for now.
Good luck, God Bless and Good health to all, Mike Cinelli
============================================================================

Dr.Schulze has a good colon cleanse
In a message dated 3/22/02 4:58:09 PM, mrjau@... writes:
<< There is many cola cleansors..check in your web, and ty[e in the search
engines. Mel and I are tahinking about one he sent for literature to read on
When he gets home I will have him go to his office and bring me back the
data.

No, Miz Judy, when all this happen I thought I had cellutis of the leg, for I
cut my leg on a dirty piece of glass that my birds happened to crap on. I
wish I did take a picture back then , but I never realize it was cancer and
it took 3 doctors and my daughter who snooped into my leg scope test in the
hospital records.
Two doctors who operated on me, still look at my leg and are amazed it went
back down, it was awful looking.
Cynthia

Now, my leg is back to normal, it's bigger than my right leg still, but it was horrible to see me with one elephant leg!!
Take care and God Bless. Cynthia Did you keep a journal and pictures of before and after all this.

Miz Judy

There is many colon cleansers..check in your web, and type in the search engines. Mel and I are thinking about one he sent for literature to read on. When he gets home I will have him go to his office and...

See I had to change this. Jarrett was playing with keys just as this was to go out.. WELL this is not Grammies Day. He just isn't letting me get much done. We had to stop to play Mail-box.That is what he calls the computer.

There are colon cleansing that can be done in the privacy of your own home. But Joy, wrote to me saying if we could find a clinic to give the herbal way we'd go for it quicker. Mel sent for a book that sells herbal ways. He is so set on doing this.But we will need a day with NO interruptions.In other words you will not want to go far from the bathroom I'm sure for a few hours. Some people tell us that once a year is fine, others say twice. But once the bowl is cleaned out, you are to continue on the water, and the roughage of foods needed in the daily diet. I will get back with Mel's way, after he gets home.

Love Miz Judy

There is many cola cleansors..check in your web, and ty[e in the search engines. Mel and I are tahinking about one he sent for literature to read on. When he gets home I will have him go to his office and bring me back the data.

Where does one get ellagicmax? Thanks and colan cleansing

I will get back with this soon as possible. Right now I'm in the middle of office work, answer e-mail; and baby-sitting.

Love Miz Judy

What is the colon cleansing? I drank about 12 8-oz glasses of water daily
plus green tea. Mildred

Where does one get ellagicmax? Thanks

Bowels.. One must do the colan cleansing..this will also clean out what is clgging in the colan for years. WATER is the must for all pipes in the body to work. Coffee and tea, pop, and juice are not WATER.

Miz Judy

Hi Cliff
Does not the sulphur protein change the oily nature of
flax seed oil to a more water soluable nature?? In which
case the liver should not be affected as much.
Maybe several smaller doses during the day also.
Rick

What do you do for constipation. Lately, my bowels do not move after taking
laxatives, hot lemon water, etc, unless I take an enema. Mildred

Has a similar study been done regarding radiation? It would be very
interesting. Mildred

When a liver doesn't process the flax oil very well, do you think it will
make the AST/ALT levels go up? Thanks for your input.

Can anyone in the group figure this one out -- Everytime I start back on the
FO/CC, my liver levels (AST and ALT levels) rise. When I go off the flax,
they lower to normal. When I go back on, they rise way above normal. I
went to a liver specialist and all hepatitus was ruled out, no liver
disease, I don't drink and there's no cancer in my body at this time. Does
anybody know about FO and the liver?
Alisa K. Brenes
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Look at it this way Cynthia, you are beating the odds, of cancer getting back..you are careful to what you are eating drinking,and the right supplications. Your are keeping the immune system in proper working order..and as long as the colon is being cleaned out, there is nowhere for the food to stay and spoil.

After I learned to change my way of eating habits, is when over a period of a few months, now 11 years I've seen what foods and the way we prepare them work for and not against us.
Miz Judy

Glad you are doing well. When we have aches and pains, we are always so scared it could be our cancer coming back!! I take Chinese herbs-body building tea and lymph cleansing tea by Dr. Chang, cat's claw, vitamin C with bioflavarnoid, garlic, beta glucan, flaxseed oil etc. Sometimes it gets so hard to know what I take and didn't take.
I would rather be safe than sorry and not get laxed on taking all the preventatives.
Cynthia

Dr Johanna Budwig diet

Cancer, Arthritis, Multiple sclerosis, Psoriasis, Eczema, Acne, ...

Flaxseed oil and cottage cheese

Six time nobel award nominated doctor says this essential nutrient combination actually prevents and cures cancer!

Where did you find this on the web? I find it very interesting that "cysteine
and methionine" are mentioned since a naturopathic doctor that my wife
consulted with recommended N-acetyl-cysteine and zinc methionine along with
some other things, including flax oil, though she didn't specifically
recommend cottage cheese or the Budwig diet.
Sometime, I have some questions for this group along this line. I need to get
some more data first.
Clyde
In a message dated 3/21/02 7:04:10 PM, mrjau@... writes:
<< I was searching the web for other things and came up with this. Found it
very interesting..
Dr Johanna Budwig, also in Germany, found high-quality linseed/flax oil
combined with "quark" and a mainly vegetarian raw-food diet most effective.
Quark is the German word for cottage cheese but made from lactic acid
fermented raw skim milk as used by Budwig. This provides not only the
beneficial fermentation products, but also a high amount of sulphur-amino
acids. These are mainly cysteine and methionine which together with the
polyunsaturated fatty acids in linseed/flax oil can quickly restore the
oxidative energy production in and around tumours and cause them to regress.

Cynthia,
with respect, what you are advocating does not help the cause.
It goes directly against what Dr.Budwig has said and written.
Chemo will not enhance the healing effect of FSO/CC, on the contrary
it will seriously counteract it.
If you have read Cliff's testimonials you will have come across this
many times -
people are making progress with FSC/CC and then someone talks them
into taking chemo and then it goes downhill.
Wilhelm

11/24/1999

Strange...Milpara just resent the message (below) that I wrote on Feb. 6!

Hey, anyway, it gives me an excuse to give you an update on my experience with the WeightWatchers program, which I started this last January 3rd. I have now lost 15.8 lbs. and am just 2/10ths of a lb. (that's 00.02 of a pound) from my ideal goal weight. I've learned so much from this program and feel I have the tools to maintain the weight loss for the long run. I am doing it in my own style, eating all healthy, organic foods and feel great. Just wanted to let anyone battling the weight problem know that this has really worked for me and they might want to give it a try. I have never been near this thin before and the only downside so far is having to buy a new wardrobe ( a good problem to have!). By the way, from changing the way I cook, my husband has lost 18 lbs. without even trying and he says my cooking tastes better than ever. Once again, I am not affiliated with WeightWatchers in any way, just want to spread the word about a good thing.

Kathy

I was searching the web for other things and came up with this. Found it very interesting..

Dr Johanna Budwig, also in Germany, found high-quality linseed/flax oil combined with "quark" and a mainly vegetarian raw-food diet most effective. Quark is the German word for cottage cheese but made from lactic acid fermented raw skim milk as used by Budwig. This provides not only the beneficial fermentation products, but also a high amount of sulphur-amino acids. These are mainly cysteine and methionine which together with the polyunsaturated fatty acids in linseed/flax oil can quickly restore the oxidative energy production in and around tumours and cause them to regress.

Hi Stewart,

I fully agree to agree to your closing sentence and sincerely wish you the best of health. Thanks for your references. They should be interesting reading. Ciao for now and Best Regards, Mike Cinelli

========================================================================================

Just an update. Barlean's called me and was very helpful in helping me get
the FlaxOil at wholesale. They also sent some other stuff free just for my
trouble the first time in trying to order wholesale.
Thanks for the help,
Maury

Hi all,

Here is a cross group listing of what we are talking about., That is, GMO food among us. The 2 billion Tacy is talking about are people...All the best, Mike Cinelli

===================================================================================

Hello John,

Thanks again for your viewpoint on GMO Soy, but it hasn`t changed my mind one bit except to put it even further away.It is good , in your opinion, to relate what the two "geneticists" have told you and to mention that .... "In medicine we are on the verge of tackling cancer"... Excuse me for smiling at this statement and others you have written in this post. let me explain...

1. The poor maligned "Soy Bean! "...The bean should be buried and forgotten forever, except that it would grow anyway! Less fertilizer needed to grow GMO Soy...a good thing? Not on your life.There is no need for the bean in the first place and no need for any saving on fertilizer in the cultivation process because it crossed my mind that it may just be another GMO fertilizer made by the very Giant Chem/Pharma Companies that are producing the bean! I agree that less fertilizer is desired but not for the GMO bean but for all crops.Fertilizers, as produced by the Chem/Pharma Cartel, is lilling our soil and the plants that grow on them, thereby weakening the whole food web process since animals eat the plants, and many people eat the animals, etc.

No artificial fertilizers at all, would be best, and no soy, GMO or Not would be even better.

2. Your Geneticists work for Universities, and Universities are, in effect, one of the biggest recipients of funds from the Chem/Pharma Cartel. They are doing "research" on this or that in the name of "Science"..Am I suppose to be impressed? It seems more like "Business as Usual" and let`s get some 'Academic Credibility." etc., etc., ...all part of the Grand Design. Yes. I agree that, in the past, a lot of Botanists and others have given us cross breeding of plants but none to the extent of the madness that is going on today with artificial junk, and the practice of using this 'junk" on unsuspecting people who are nothing more than unsuspecting guinnea pigs." ( as if actual guinnea pigs are suspecting?)

3. The part of "Medicine being on the verge of a breakthrough in curing cancer " (paraphrased) would also be a bit humorous if it didn`t involve real people, like the many family members and friends who have involuntarily left this world by following the "cancer breakthroughs" dating back 50 years or so. In fact, Ex-President Nixon in about 1972 signed a Bill giving then Big Chem/Pharma Cartel free access to American Taxpayers dollars for "Scientific Cancer Research that would stamp out cancer by the year 2000"... (paraphrased). Wow! What a generous statement and what a wonderful generous gesture on the part of the leader of the Free World! ( using Tax Payers money)....What has happened to cancer? Has it gone by the wayside? Or has it escalated out of sight? The only good to come out of that1972 Bill was the unlimited funds made vailable to the Chem/Pharm Catel to establish bigger and better lies in the name of "Scientific Break Throughs". So by this paragraph you can
see that I am not impressed, as many others are not, and you will have to come up with a little better strategy and/or tactical approach to win over the pragmatic people on this list. In fact, what you have written seems to be the exact "Party Line" of the "Experimenters", that has worked for the last 30 - 50 years. it`s "old hat."

4. The "1972 CancerFree Bill" did do one thing,however. It seems to have given birth and fuel to the Bio-Technology movement. The Chem/Pharm Cartel got it through Congress and got the then President Nixon to sign it into law. Ask yourself these questions: Who has it helped? The soy industry? The Hospitals? The heavily overweight people you see around us everywhere? The babies who take GMO or 'natural" soy as mother`s milk? The Advertising agencies? The Industries furnishing synthetic drugs which are rammed down our throats? The Chemotherapy, Surgery, Drug, Radiation Advocates as the 'only cure for cancer" ? ETC.....Search down into your memory, soul, or conscience and answer these rhetorical questions. A little honesty might go a long way...

5. You state 'As for soy well I take it because I like it, I know I am not getting either oestrogen or testosterone which is one of the main methods of prostate tumour growth ( the tumours are very dependant on both these hormones) and finally it is plant derived."

I say , to each his own. Obviously you haven`t looked too deeply into the literature of Dr. Gerson,MD., Dr. Budwig, Ph.D. a Dr. Mary Enig, Ph.D., etc or you would not put forth this statement as a badge of honor. You may like soy and that`s O.K. A lot of people have the Mortido Instinct (Death Wish) and it comes in differents forms, like reckless driving at high speeds, taking drugs (no pun intended!), excessive alcohol, playing Russian Roulette, or evn being Guinnea Pigs for Science. But when one doen`t know he/she is doing these things, then it is either a shame or a crime. I leave you to decide...

6. Further you state "This is what I do and believe in. I don't put my patients on it and I don't recommend it, this my choice and mine alone". that is to be commended....(my opinion), BUT, ". As far as the patients are concerned they get the recommended treatment for the cancer that protocols determine..." So John, what is this recommeded treatment? Chemotherapy? Drugs? Surgery? Radiation? All?, Some? none? Others? I seriously would like to know....

7.Your last statement says it all... "So if you like I am a guinea pig and if FO/CC and Flax Seed/ Soy milk works then well and good. The only life on the line is mine and I feel the regime I follow is one I have to have faith in. I will keep you all posted as to my progress. If it works then everyone will ultimately benefit. If it doesn't then I am the loser. So far I am very well and look forward to the future with optimism."...John, I can only wish you well and hope that you are right and I am wrong. If you lay your life on the line, you are doing nothing more nor less than what many on this list are doing. The only advantage you have is that you "Knowingly are taking in GMO or natural soy." Many others do not have that " knowledge luxury" because the choice is not even offered since the facts and practices are so well hidden and current US Law has not seen made labeling mandatory because .....

I apologize in advance if I step on some people`s toes, but Dr. Budwig talks exactly about the Pharma Cartel, the dangers of synthetic drugs, and cancer "Orthodox" therapies, and the erroneus path that modern "medicine and science" are following. The cure to cancer is possible by eliminating the toxins, waste, and synthetic junk that is going into our bodies and going back to good healthy foods, like fruits, vegetables, nuts, and whatever..This will naturally boost our immune system so it can fight the invaders....as our bodies were meant to do.....What is encouraging is that you, John, actually do advocate some of this!

For that you are miles ahead of some of your colleagues...I sincerely wish you all the best in health and the continual recovery of your prostate cancer! Please do keep us posted....

Thanks and best.Fondest regards, Mike Cinelli

================================================================================================

Hi,
A few weeks ago Bill and his wife stopped by.
Her mother was in a hospital in West Virginia with a very serious cancer and
not expected to live but a few days. She had been on a lot of chemo and
given up. Her white count was only 200.
There were two sons, who had the medical conservancy, and another daughter
in West Virginia. They collectively decided to go with the flax oil and
mixed it at home and brought it to the hospital.
One of the family stayed with her all the time she was awake and any time
she could swallow a little more they gave it to her.
About a week and a half later Bill called and told me that the doctor had
been in the day before and took blood for testing and said the the white
count was now 5000 and, though he had no explanation, he could see no
further need for her to be in the hospital and she could go home. Bilol
said that it was a miracle.
About a month later Bill called again, very upset.
His mother in law had a brother who was a doctor. The mother in law had
been sent to a rehabilitation center instead of home to regain some
strength, muscle skills etc.
Now the doctor brother got in the act. He hadn't been consulted on this and
was quite upset.
He told the two sons that the Flaxseed Oil would hurt their mother and they
should get her off of it immediately.
They did and she got along fairly well for a couple of weeks and then went
down hill and at the time Bill called she was back in intensive care not
expected to live.
Bill's wife got more oil and headed for West Virginia determined to somehow
get her mother back on it even at that time. She did not succeed and the
lady passed away.
I personally do not understand how a doctor could look at what was happening
and force a decision like that just because it did not agree with his
training or the AMA directions, especialy the lady's own brother. He was
willing to stay blind and kill her rather than give a little more time to
see what was happening.
Cliff

Hi Maury,
I will email my our friend and see. She lives in the backwoods of tennessee
and may not have a phone but I will see.
It might be just as well to talk to her daughter in law.
When there are gung ho standard medicine people and a 'beloved family
doctor" who pushes standard treatment that becomes a barrier that is very
difficult to overcome. I have seen a number of people who would rather die,
literally, than offend someone like that, and did die.
She will have to decide for herself which path to follow.
I am going to put on some documents that I have put on before but there are
always new folks coming on, and the ones familiar with this can click it out
in a hurry.
One man with whom I got acquainted had colon cancer and was getting better
but stuck with the chemo until it killed him because he didn't want the
doctors "mad at me". He finally did stop the chemo but it was too late.
Incidentally, two weeks would not give it time to become effective. If two
weeks is all she will give there would be little point in it, though there
might be some. If she began to feel better she might then increase it.
"Cliff

I started taking a little Soy two years ago; Then of course I started reading everything I could find about Soy.

Then I quit taking it and now feel that it has no value unless one is estrogen deficient.

What I found in my readings was that the only promoters of Soy are also financially involved in it's sale; Even if they are University Research Centers and the few who write about problems with Soy have no advantage in either it's success or failure.

Lorenzo

Hi,
this is a short account, I am sure it would be documentable, of what is
happening to the mother of a friend of ours.
She is a rather large woman, who has breast cancer that had metastasized to
both lungs.
She was using a tablespoon per day of FlaxSeed Oil with cottagae cheese.
[FO/CC for new members]. There was progression of the cancer to some extent
and the doctor decided a mastectomy was neaded on one side.
A little prior to this, her son got across the need to increase the amount
to one tablespoon per day per hundred pounds body weight plus 2 extra
tablespoons to fight cancer.
Sometime later the doctors put in a "port" to administer chemo.
When they were going to start the chemo, they found that the cancer in her
lungs and elsewhere had disappeared. That was a great puzzle to the doctor
as cancer just doesn't do that.
They did not use any chemo and this morning the lady's daughter in law said
the the doctor said that, though he has no idea why, the cancer is in
complete remission.
Cliff

Thank you, Cliff. It gives me much hope for my husband, and that's what
I need right now.
operacat

Last evening our neighbor was talking to Me about soy-products. I am in hopes he will soon share his literature with me, and of his honest findings on the Soy beans, soya products, and anything using soy..He stated that he knows for fact, that if you should by chance mot even know your allergic to soy..he used a bean as illustration..1-2 beans could kill and maybe instantly.
Mel

From Miz Judy:
This is a grain, and any food-grain that can be made into flour, or added to food is a dangerous route to try when you are not positively sure what it can do to you.
And definitely over a period of time it does for many people a silent harm to your body. From some research deeper than I have done, this man Mel talked to said he now has a lot more proof to share with me on this formula like so many hospitals are telling mothers' to use on new born. That this is one reason so many children either die, or have problems on down the road, to cause them to die from using it.. He is now very concerned about Shilah's two sons..but thanks the Lord, that maybe we've found out soon enough, and know now, they shilah should have never been told to use this as formula.
Shilah is now upset: as are many mothers in the area, that she had been talking to, and they have all been studying this product. And are to very upset to think that they had been told this was better than regular cow-milk. ( she now has her own two boy's on Goat milk), and has even been gradually taking that away, by giving to them a little now in sippy-cups. And putting juice on the cereals they eat for breakfast. They love it. When and If she does use goat milk, she only coats it lightly. Yesterday morning they happen to eat with us,,and I made sure they got no milk.

I am also trying to make our family members see that maybe Flaxseed oil would do us all more good than harm. And Mel is looking into some other issues as well. God is surely good in opening one door after another for us.And we are learning a lot off the groups we are sharing with.

Cliff this reminds me. I've been telling to Amish in the area..Interviewing some.And yesterday know they are uneducated when it comes to health. They are some now themselves wanting more information on the Flaxseed and since they have no computer.A few wondered if you have your literature printed out. Can you get back with me privately on this please. I only have one tape, and no way to copy it. Is there any funds for you to be working with?

Love Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

The latest soy debate has been long, technical, and helpful. I appreciate the
information in the interchanges and the courtesy of the contributors. My
conclusion is that I'm going to avoid soy, although I see that Dr. Budwig's
Oil-Protein cookbook mentions using soy. This was originally written in the
50's, and GMOs, chemical fertilizers, etc. weren't an issue.
John

Hi John,
Thanks for this posting. It says a lot. Yes, Dr. Budwig does mention using
soy in some recipes in her Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook. And you are correct
about GMO soy not being in existence then. That`s why I hope some one like
Wilhelm, or anybody else who may see or talk with her, can possibly get us
a clarification or the latest opinion from her on both GMO soy, and soy
under the present farming conditions. It would be a great contribution to
our group. Thanks again, Regards, Mike Cinelli
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Thanks, Donna for the information. I've seen eyebright mentioned in herbal

Dear Dr. Hughes and M. Cinelli: [INLINE]

I feel happy because you both said you were not fighting, just interchanging your thoughts, good for you!!!!!! [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] , this way we all learn something from you both. Yes!!!!!!.

Richest blessings. [INLINE]

Gaby.

Mike Cinelli <milpara@...

Hi Gary,

Thanks. It`s been a long time since we heard from you! We mis your words of wisdom and humo[u]r! Ciao and all the best, Mike Cinelli

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could you replace milk with this..

Lea..I will need to do more research, but I would guess off hand yes.. Let me get back with you later on this. I have a back therapy today, and some shopping to do, and a friend to counsel, before returning home. But if I forget, please again remind me to dig into files.And some of my questions have not came back to me yet either. One source said they will need to refer me to another. Its like at times I get the circle, which is going around and around trying to fine one simple answer. People all seem to busy even at times to help me when I tell them I'm also in a hurry.

This morning I am still searching files on other subjects to share with the Clinic I go to for their bulletin board. And I am also behind in that too. HA

Love Miz Judy

Hi Gary,

Thanks. It`s been a long time since we heard from you! We mis your words of wisdom and humo[u]r! Ciao and all the best, Mike Cinelli

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Hi All,

That`s certainly good advice, but who is angry? I hope my words were not construed as such because I am not angry at all. Without humor, there is little hope, eh? Also, I never thought Stuart Hughes was angry....just simply stating views as I am. However, it`s good to get nudged sometimes.Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli

In a message dated 03/18/2002 11:02:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mrjau@... writes:
It can be a food source. Many otherwise healthy foods can promote cancer
growth. I'm not familiar w/those (disturbing but extremely important) studies
that you mentioned but am aware that soy certain CAN promote cancer growth.
It can also inhibit it, sometimes miraculously (e.g., w/HAELAN 951). I think
it depends on the type of soy (e.g., fermented vs. nonfermented), the
quantity, the type of cancer, the patient, the patient's blood type and
metabolism, and probably many other factors.
Regretably, there is risk (and sometimes reward) in taking soy, particularly
in large quantities.

Mz Judy
I have to coment on this.. A couple of years ago I listened to a Dr. Bounous speak about his product Immunocal. He said when testing possiblities of proteins he tested casein and whey but NOT soya. Several years latter a group of Doctors testing and duplicating Dr. Bounous research in Australia not only tested whey and casein but also tested Soya. They found that soya had the ablility to speed up the growth of cancer cells. Most are not aware of the beginning stages of cacer, this could be deadly. Again a few years after that a group of Dr.s in Arkensa also did research testing on both of these groups of research and like the Dr.s in Australia they to used all three. And they to discovered that Soya had the ability to speed up the growth of cancer...So no I don't see how it can be a good food source, more like playing Russian roulette... debbieh

Hi Mel,

Thank you for your enquiry.

Attached is an information sheet regarding Kefir (MS Word) which I hope you will find interesting.

Best wishes, Rosemary

This was sent to me from the following researchers . Mel

More info about Kefir.

Kefir for pleasure, beauty and well-being

Kefir is a living relationship, a symbiosis, of a number of bacteria and yeast, which form grains or cauliflower-like structures. These living organisms ferment milk into the living food Kefir.

Kefir is a Super Yoghurt, up to 36 times more probiotic than yoghurt.

Kefir does not equal Kefir

There are at least three different varieties of cultures.The water Kefir has grains like milk Kefir, but is grown in water with sugar and dried fruit. It's also called 'Japanese water crystals' or 'Tibi'.

Scientific analysis indicates that there are many different friendly bacteria and yeasts combined in Kefir.

Kefir grains are mostly sold as dried granulates. However, there is in most cases a problem to revive the grains. Over the years I have sold the dried grains, and all my customers have not been able to grow new grains to give to friends or produce a Kefir as pleasant tasting as the Kefir made from the LIVING Kefir-plant.

The LIVING Kefir plant looks like a cauliflower where many of the grains form one plant. However, there is a problem with the culture, since it can only survive in milk or only for a few days in water. This is the reason why LIVING Kefir must be given from friend to friend. This is why the International Kefir Network was founded.

Kefir grains are a biological production centre. Living foods like Kefir are pro-biotic. Kefir helps to detoxify, support and balance digestion and to build up the immune system to counteract negative influences.

During the fermentation process the Kefir grains change normal milk into the Kefir beverage. Lactic acid, ethanol, acetic acid, carbon dioxide and other compounds are produced as well as vitamins. The delicious microbiological LIVING food Kefir can be very helpful in regenerating the bowel flora and works in this way, in many cases like a wonder.

Kefir converts normal, unhealthy (pasteurised, homogenised) milk, which we buy in grocery shops, into living healthy food. Kefir also revitalises milk powder and even soymilk into living food but not microwaved milk.

For further reading the book Kefir For pleasure, beauty and well-being is recommended. The book has many recipes showing how to use Kefir for your taste buds' pleasure, like Kefir champagne, ice cream, salad dressings and how to make your own products for beauty, hair, foot and body care. Kefir is excellent for skin treatments and beauty. The book Skin Saver Remedies is recommended for further reading,

Kefir Nonsense.

It is recommended in some publications that you should replace your Kefir Culture for hygienic reasons after a 2-month use.

If you make Kefir with a healthy living Kefir Culture you will find, that this culture will reproduce many new cultures within this 2-month period.

· Why should you throw away perfectly healthy Kefir cultures?

· How was it done over the centuries in the countries where Kefir is found?

· Was there ever a Kefir culture, which reproduced many new cultures, which was not healthy itself and had to be replaced?

There is NO reason to replace a reproducing Kefir culture.

Dried Kefir grains are often dead. If your culture does not reproduce, you most probably make nothing else than sour milk with dead Kefir grains.

Hello Alisa Brenes,
Thanks for your interest. In answer to your question ...". When this
article mentioned fermentation as being a little
safer, does this include tofu and edamame (boiled/steamed soy beans with
sea salt)? "... This may help a bit...
I will emphasize three parts of the Gerson view which may help clear up
some confusion about `fermented or precipitated` soy {the cooking process
which gives up tofu etc.you mention in your question):
1".Adding to the high-phytate problem, soybeans are very resistant to
phytate-reducing techniques, such as long,
slow cooking."
2"Although the act of fermenting soybeans does deactivate both trypsin
inhibitors and hemagglutinin, precipitation and cooking do not. Even though
these enzyme inhibitors are reduced in levels within precipitated soy
products like tofu, they are not altogether eliminated.".
3."The high levels of harmful substances remaining in precipitated soy
products leave their nutritional value questionable at best, and in the
least, potentially harmful. "
In other words, even "tofu, and edamame" etc., ( which are prepared by long
term cooking and/or precipitation] are questionable in nutritional value
accoding to Dr. Gerson. Many others have stated that if you want to use soy,
then use these products. I will not comment further, because you must make
up your own mind and since you are under the care of a "Chinese herbologist,
an MD who practices alternative/complementary cancer care," it would be a
good idea to show him the Dr. Gerson articles and have him explain it and
his viewpoint. You can research them on the Internet and give him a copy...
If you research a little more on your own about soy,[ check out Dr. Mary
Enig, Ph.D., and others] at least you can make an informative decision and
not be overwhelmed by the hype given to soy. Dr. Budwig warned us very
clearly about the self serving methods and aims of the Food Processing
Industry and Pharma cartel who oftentimes put monetary gains ahead of
health concerns for others.[Some may not honestly know the dangers of what
they do.] This is a Classic example of just that. Adverising agencies are
given a project by the Chemical Giants, and these agencies go all out to
promote the products. This in my opinion is exactly what the soy industry is
doing and they are hurting little babies, children, the elderly and all in
between. It`s too bad we don`t live in aperfect world, eh?
One thing , Alisa, you have begun a good journey and a good thing by
questioning. Sorry I don`t have a ready made answer for you and will not
give you medical advice, but I personally avoid such contraversial foods
whenever possible. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
Thanks and best, and a speedy recovery to full good health to you, Fondest
Regards, Mike Cinelli
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Massimo..The Aloe is ..A SOUP as we in America call soup..of liquid? we eat with a soon,
Or is it like a plant that has juices, your extract out ( with a spoon) and maybe you call it Soup? Did Doctor Budwig call it soup?
Miz Judy

Is a Natural medicine good for the health of the body and for fight Cancer, i take me too the soup every day and when i go to the sweming pool i go very quick more fast Massimo

Our Daughter Shilah, found out Soy-was killing her son Wyatt. Since birth he had been put on a soy-milk formula. Some of the change came when our Son AI wrote to you about earlier spoke about farmers now not knowing what to believe anymore. " But mom as long as there is money in the "Bean" people will continue to grow this to make a profit. They don't care if it is or isn't good for them. And as long as cattle are being fed soy-grains..who gives a hoot. To some people they think all milk is alike. I must say most of it is, because almost every farm I go to, they feed soy to their livestock."

Shilah this winter had to take Wyatt immediately off the soy, and she on her own by the advise of others that had already gone through this LIE-of how good soy would be in place of another dairy..went a head and put him on Goat milk. No soon had she clanged him over and in a lies than a week started to notice a great change in his bowels and the way his skin begin to get a normal color. Later she decided to try the soy products-formula again, and it was within hours sending him back to the messing of diapers one after another with the most horrible smell. But as soon as she put him back on the goat milk, which she gets fresh, enough to last a couple days..he snapped out of whatever the soy-formula was doing to him. She said the other day." No way would I ever advise other mothers to use this on their new-borns.And to think I was so sure you of all people mom, didn't know what you wee talking about, now really scares me. I could have lost Wyatt because I didn't think you had
researched this enough to tell me not to use it on him, Now I think maybe this is why Jarrett had also been so sick all the time.Soon as he begin to drink regular cow milk, ..remember how muc