Flax Seeds

HI,
A few months back a lady 36, who used to attend a church which we attended
also, was found to have a rare type of Leukemia.
Various chemos were tried and an attempt was made to find a donot for a bone
marrow transplant without success. She seemed to go into remission for a
few weeks and then suddenly it reappeared more aggressively than earlier.
Our caring, compassionate doctors tried another chemo and an ingredient in
it destroyed a lot of her heart. It is now working at 10% capacity. She is
filling up with fluid. Two days ago she actually died but they shocked her
back out of it much to her regret.
She cannot get well and she was ready to go on.
Had that happened through the use of Alternative approaches it would have
been loudly condemned by the standard treatment proponents.
Cliff

Mary Porr died around or soon after we lost our son in 1994..I will need to go back to a file to actually see for sure. Right now to busy to dig for it. Nut I will and anything else I feel I can share with you later. I know I wrote about Mary many times before. And she was a friend I have really missed. Then there was Barbara, whom had been on the flaxseed oil, for some time, but soon as she went back to Chemo-she also meant her end.

Now remember this.. Many of us had no real knowledge even in the 1980's to almost what two years ago that we needed cottage cheese with the flaxseed oil. And some people were only taking it straight, not having any idea how much they was to have at one time. So for us back in the 1980's, some of us didn't even have computers to research, to find out anything..we were getting information mainly through word of mouth by regular postal-letters, and phone calls to people we knew that had cancer taking it, or here in Holmes County what the Amish, or health food stores recommended. I know I can speak for myself..I've learned a lot just in two years using the Flaxseed oil 2 group, One when it had the owner we could gab with. And I also try to keep Flaxseed mentioned on Natural Well Being..But there we plug into many other health issues too. Right now on Colon cleansing. And who knows what all it will be later today or tomorrow morning. Sometimes we talk about diaper changing,
ointments, and bee-stings on little behind'ers. But I know I'm enjoying everything people share, whether it is to my agreement or not, I pull up my office chair, and taking a deep breath, read, and observe. I take notes, and if I think it worth my time I save it, if not into the garbage it goes. I am always cleaning out files, and getting rid of peoples addresses, or I put some in the blocker pile. And like some of you I have some days up to- 50-60 letters to answer that come privately. And I try to answer as many as I feel is necessary important..otherwise I am kept busy here writing reports, or out on a interview, and of recent working on a cookbook from recipes as far back as the 1700's ancestries traditions. With a touch of some humor. A very Unique book it will be. With pictures where needed. As of today I have now pics's to run for files. And later this evening counsultation with another couple. Until later I'm out of here a few minutes till I can get a break.

love Miz Judy

And most likely the 5% are already so far gone by the time she gets them is why that percentage can't be saved..they waited to long, or have had Chem0 already.

And for this friend, such ashamed to that she don't at least want to try the Flaxseed oil. I can't for the like of me figure people out that have cancer, when they certainly must know there is no cure from ChemO, and other things the doctors give them, to just prolong them a little longer. You'd think they would think more of themselves..that they above all people deserve a second chance, and at least give natural remedies a try, before knocking it down. Somewhere these people are not being told the truth..and it is up to us, as we are trying on these groups to waken people up to telling them there is other sources, all they have to do is reach out and take it , and at the same time save themselves a bundle of money too.

Most doctors will all tell us the same thing that there is money in patients using ChemO and other drugs, this is why they are in this business in the first place. ( I'm not saying all doctor's are in for the money, but majority I've talked to are.) Between them and Lawyers, I think I got in the wrong business. Here I am, a layman, out ministering, and giving my myself freely with news that a natural-growing in the earth can help to rid of many cancers. Yet I am not allowed to clam this as 100% perfect, nor even hand out a bottle of the good stuff, or mix up salves, Or I'd get fined and sent to prison..but here is something between me and a doctor..A State license.
Here in Holmes County they are now cracking down on the Amish ladies, playing is what the court says is working without a State authority, not only midwifing, but giving out drugs, and herbal things to the -public that come to their back door. However what the state don't know is that many doctors' of Holmes county use these women to assist them. Doctors here do not want to have to see hundreds of Amish babies born out of a buggies either, nor have proper medication. There is many Amish that will never step foot into some clinic no matter how we force them too..they will continue to heal themselves no matter the cost. From what we gather if the State begins to crack down, they will have their hands full..because with the population there is no jail large enough around to hold this many people, And Doctors are arguing that as long as they know the women, and know what they are using..etc, they see no harm, as long as this one woman in particular continues to do as they have
asked her. About a year ago they had closed the new-birthing, midwifery in the hospital.Boy talk about a stir that made, especially when half the Holmes County population was Amish using this room. It took Doctors along time to convince them this was safer. This is where Midwifery came into helping doctors and the health board out. I will just have to let you know when more is published on this subject. Sometimes it has been so hushed we the public don't get much wind of it until day of trial or after. But this woman could get up to 3-5 years in prison..and Holmes County don't want this to happen to an innocent woman, that was doing only her job with respect, to help her own people. But I also look at this in another view. If she gets away practicing her wares..by Jove I could put out my shingle and begin my own thing out of my own home. I'd have to come up with a trickery name though, I'm working on it. Ha.Ha. Heee. I'd first have some little discussion groups, and then get
feedback..then tell people like we tell them on these groups. Do whatever you feel is best or you, but this is what it has done for me. And every man for himself, when push comes to shove. ( But as long as I have a plot of land, and a windowsill, I will grow the foods I know does me good and not harm)

Miz Judy

Dr. Budding is having 95 to 98 per cent success according to some sources.

I have seen friends die who depended on Chen. I have never seen Chen get
anyone well. I have a friend now, 36, dying of Leukemia. She doesn't believe in this Flaxseed Oil stuff. She will be buried before long.

I'm 76 years old, very active, feel great, walk three
miles every morning before breakfast. About 15 months
ago, I went to see a urologist here on the island of
Maui, where I live. Now that I look back, I think (rightly
or wrongly) that my biggest mistake was to see a
urologist in the first place.
Of course, he ordered a PSA, and when it came back at
6.3, he talked me into having a prostate biopsy. (Mistake
No. 2, in my not-so-humble opinion.) Well, while doing
the biopsy, they took nine needle samples. Eight of them
came back as pure and clear as mountain branch water.
But in the ninth sample, the pathologist found a few atypical
cells he couldn't identify, so he sent them off to Mayo Clinic.
The experts at Mayo said they found cancerous cells in 5%
of that sample. Gleason score of 6.
Based on that report, my urologist pushed hard for me to
undergo either radiation or surgery. So I stopped seeing
him, and I haven't seen a urologist for about a year. Every
three months I see a very human and very knowledgeable
internist who is also an oncologist. My PSA has been rising
slowly and it's now about 12. My internist suggests I really
ought to see a urologist, but so far I've resisted. I feel very
good and I work hard (I'm a retired lawyer and I write
mysteries and children's books). I'm happy and full of energy,
and my wife and I have a good sex life.
For about a year I've been eating FO/cc. In the beginning I
didn't use nearly enough flax oil, but lately I've increased the
quantity. Now, twice a week, I mix up 24 oz. cottage cheese
with 18 oz. Barleans High Lignan Flax Oil. This is a three-
day supply, and I really enjoy eating it.
I have two questions of you long-time users. Is it a good idea
to mix up a three-day supply at once? Or should I make it
fresh every day?
One reason I wonder about this: I've burned out two blenders
in the past year. The last one, a Cuisinart that I bought for
$70 at Costco, lasted only four months before it totally quit
on me. Is it possible that I'm overloading the blender?
I'd greatly appreciate your knowledgeable comments.
Bill Stephens

Hi Bill,

I am only 75 and have had a nodule on my prostate two years ago that was reduced by Sulfa pills.

I think you are smart to not let the Specialists get to you. Most guys our age will die of something else.

I hope you will read Linus Pauling and take the Vitamins He recommends. He made it to 92. Now there are a few new Vitamins to learn about.

Eat some Canned Salmon from Alaska and some Walnuts and a strong B Complex vitamins, as you study nutrition on the internet.

We have a Vita-Mix, Blender about $500-- So far their seven year warranty is rock solid, I use mine vigorously and they always fix it, I sent several to relatives as gifts; but they do not use them so hard- still they get fixed.. I only pay to ship it to them to the factory.

Lorenzo

In what year did Mary die?
Henry

This was almost like Mary had looked the week I first meant her, but not like when I had seen her for the last time.
Mary had read an article, written on me about my own cancer story, that had also caught her attention, and I had just read one about her ordeal.
Through phone conversations we decided to set up an appointment to meet for the first time. Mary and her Daughter carol came to visit me. I found Mary to be a fighter, with determination to fight the cancers that she had. Just as soon as she showed up on my door step, I knew this was trued as statement if ever I had one.
And while Mary related her story to me, about how, after two years she had been struggling with melanoma cancer, including eight surgeries that left the breast marred. I knew I was going to enjoy working with this lady with the determination to win a victory,(
Mary showed me cancers that was indeed horrible, and the deep holes left in her body, the way she had been butchered up.
Mary was now treating herself with an unconventional treatment from the Amish community that had heard of her cancer and wanted to help. " They called it. " Black cancer Salve." said Mary..and it isn't yet, or as far as I know been passed to sell on the market. I was also using Interleukin 3 for 15 treatments, which didn't help: then two 12-treatments cycles of Interlukin 2 and 4, which shrank the cancer 50 percent." Mary smiled. " I've told this story so often it's like a never ending tail caught between a dogs legs." she laughed. And continued. " The two weeks respite what the doctors gave me in treatments turned out an on going rest, that I knew I needed. And those treatments made me sicker than a dog. I couldn't eat or walk, and I lost my hair. I wasn't able to do anything for myself anymore, not even dress myself.

Later Mary's doctor was so astonished at how the Cancer salve was working that he told her to go on home and continue using it and taking the flaxseed oil along with her regular daily vegetable raw diet. But when he asked Mary for the recipe to the salve and to give him two bottles of it to analyze, this is when Mary put her foot down...(and like myself ), when I had said to my own doctor, now Mary spoke the same words. " Why? so you can get rich selling It?" and she just walked away.
" I still owed $3,000 dollars. And I didn't know where my next dime would come from. I was lucky the insurance carried the other bill of around 60,000 thousands. Boy my name Porr sure suits me doesn't it?" she questioned me as she laughed. " Here I am 70 years old and I'm just as porr as the day I was born...and to think that my life in the past few yeas is being used for experimental treatments is to much.But it is wearing my system out that is for sure."

Mary continued to talk About how she really was feeling.
" I can never thank you and Mel enough for coming every time I need prayer. At least you believe what I have in these bottles are real. Some people don't believe that I've saved them cancers in a bottle, and that I have removed over sixty of them from my breast and my arm."
We both knew she was right, and that the proof was in front of us. " Yeah my kitchen looks like a drug-store and a lab doesn't it?" she laughed at the mess she had on the table, scattered with her black salve in the baby-food jar, and another jar turned over with cancers, and some laying there on the table for me to get a picture of them.

Weeks I spent going to Mary's house. And sometimes she was trying to keep as busy as possible. " Darn cancers keep coming, and this takes up my time juts trying to remove them suckers." Mary said as she was pouring me a cup of herbal tea. " I'm going to continue taking the flaxseed oil too, as along as we think it may help."
I glanced over to see she had the oil still sitting on the sink, and I reminded her to put it back in the refrigerator.
" You did just take some didn't you?" I asked, and she assured me she had just had her daily dose,prior to me coming to the door.

A few weeks later I got word from Carol to come right over, Mary wasn't feeling to good and wanted Mel and I to come cheer her up. We hadn't seen her in nearly a month and I was horrified to what she wanted to show us. Not only had she bottled up pounds of cancers..her body was beginning to look like that of a monster movie, where a creature would come up from the earth crust, and be full of horrible slimy knobs, dangling all over its leather like flesh. Mary had no arm or fingers that looked human anymore ( I am in hopes now Carol has pictures for me to later show)..but never the less Mary joked about herself being already in Halloween custom and ready to hand out candies at the door. " Children won't think anything about it. They will think I dressed up to frighten the boogy-man away." She laughed in spite of the way she looked. " I know I am not pretty anymore. But I am going to go ahead and have this arm removed. Then maybe the cancer will cease."

It was some time later I got word that Mary had passed away sitting in her chair at home. Carol had gone to get her the medication needed, and when she came back she thought Mary had just fallen asleep. But upon looking closer she knew Mary had finally mad her final exit into Glory land.

I was lost myself for words when I went to the funeral. I was angry at the system. I was still not able to help now to comfort Carol whom had so many months tried to help her mother, and in so many ways to keep her comfortable. And like Carol I knew this time would come..the question was when? But we know Mary had put up a good fight, and from what her doctors's told us. " Mary had lived longer than they we've expected her to. "If you could have used the salve on her, just as soon as she got that first Cancer on her arm, I believe we would have had a darn good chance that she may have never gotten anymore." Said the doctor. And another " Or we could have, maybe somehow using something else, been more able to help her..Flaxseed oil..hum!"
And I left the doctor think it out for himself.

Today again while cleaning out files I came across Mary's picture.And today my heart is heavy. I do wished we could have done more for her. But again I know we have made one step closer to finding a way to prove the salve, the flaxseed oil and all the ways to eat properly does play an important part to curing the ills that try to over take us. Today if Mary were living I believe we would YES, do things a little differently. Because we could take the records and improve where maybe we goofed in the first place. We would fine-comb every detail, and be more strict with what we ate, drank and put on the body. We would somehow get a new clinic started..and maybe found some doctor to work along with us. Who can really say what we would have done any different if anything. But we know we made some impact.

Miz Judy

I'm interested to get some true success stories with CC + FO.
Any input would be much appreciated. The more detailed the better.
Regards,
Ervin

Go to Cliff Beckwith's web site:
http://home.usit.net/~spinner

I'm very interested to get true success stories re. the subject.

Any input would be much appreciated.

Regards to all,

ERVIN

Hi,
I picked this up from another list. Keep in mind it may be true and if so,
suspend operations for those times.
Cliff

People will not eat strange food; They prefer to Die.

SAD

Hi Carolyn

We have many reference books including a PDR - what are you looking for?

Mike

Recently a woman I do not know called me to say that her dad has
cataracts and she wants him to use FSO and maybe some herbs to
help them BUT he will not do that until he talks with someone who has used this
and is well or getting over the catarats.
Is anyone out there that fits this willing to call this woman or have her call
you?
Thanks so much,
Edith

Dr. Bormann,
Could you contact me? Do you have a Physician's Desk Reference? I would like
to have you look up a supplement.
Carolyn
kreibich@...

Thanks, Cliff.

Joel

Hi,
It seemed understandable to me.Mike's brother had a large tumor in his
brain.
It had to be taken out. like NOW.
The side effects of the operation was some damage to brain cells which
slowed down his ability to do simple things.
Mike persisted and got him to understand to take the flax oil and 6 months
later the rest of the tumor was gone.
Cliff

Cliff,

That was another impressive testimonial, for which I thank you. I found the wording a little confusing, though.
I wonder if you could ask Mr. Gibbons to clarify one detail. What does he mean when he writes: "One of the side effects of this . . . " etc. Side effects of what? The shock of being told that he needed brain surgery?

(I presume that the doctors recommended brain surgery, and that Mr. Gibbons' brother elected to take FO/CC instead, and was healed.)

Joel

Mr. Beckwith.
Thank you for your prompt reply, I will forward the information to my
sister. A quick note of recognition is in order here, for you.
My brother had a brain tumor the size of 1/2 a grapefruit in his left
temporal lobe. Emergency surgery was necessary to save his life. One of the
side effects of all of this was great difficulty trying to get him to
understand simple instructions for his own care. The first thing I could get
him to do and understand was cottage cheese and flax oil. This finally sank
in after I pulled up your web site and he read it over and over. Six months
later the tumor was gone. Your web site was the first thing that broke
through into his mind, and now he follows his routine every day. Your work
helped save his life.
I have collected lots of infomation, also, about this and many other things
related to cancer and health. I am not sure how busy you are and
I do not want to be pest, but I am interested in any information you have
and am ready to share all that I have collected.
Thank you for your time and your work, I will look forward to any
collaboration that may interest you at your convenience.
Michael Gibbons

An open letter to Greg,
Greg why do you post this stuff here on the Flax seed oil list???
Lorenzo

I know this is a flax seed list and this is not a flax post, but I hope
you'll forgive since I'm thinking of our group needs. If anyone is ill
enough to need a service dog, here is a great possibility. Contact
eburton66@... directly. Do explain your canine experience to them
also. This dog needs a job. BOnnieB
<<

I have used AVG virus for several months. It is sure worth a try. It will
run in addition to some other virus programs; It will not even let me open
attachments that I requested without extra effort.
Just search for < avg virus
Like many other new virus programs it is free to home users; but business
must pay.
Forgive me for "Broadcasting" this message.
Lorenzo

You know there are believers, and non believers of all different products. People all around do not believe that flaxseed oil can help your cancer disappear. It is too simple and really inexpensive to take the oil, and people also think I am weird when I tell them about flaxseed oil and cottage cheese. The same thing applies to magnets. So, why are we arguing about magnets anyways? If it works on people and help them with pain or with strokes, or arithis, who are we to say it doesn't work or does work?
Cynthia, the believer of magnets!! A stroke victim and stage iv uterian cancer

My husband purchased some of the Nikken magnets. They worked on him for a time
and then became less effective on him over a period of months.
He put aside his magnets when he found them no longer effective, but he rarely
misses a day to have his flaxseeds.

Jerome's post is very valuable!! If magnets are used along
with acupuncture - they are likely not left in place for
very long. Anything which can disturb the bodys meridians
is inviting total system collapse. If you shut down liver
functions to below an already low area that sick people
have - you could triger the system collapse.
Temporary pain relief from drugs or magnets are simply
not worth the risk!
Rick

This information came from a physical therapist and an RN
Donna
Magnets and acupuncture compliment each other. in the far east they do
acupuncture with magnets. They place magnet over the acupuncture point. The
magnetic field in the pet pads are generalized and very mild. They are not
like the acupuncture magnets they use for acupuncture so there is absolutely
not conflict.
Eva
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Hi All,
Interesting full text paper showing the anti-oxidant effects of various foods in
humans.
http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/12/2383
Serum Antioxidant Capacity Is Increased by Consumption of Strawberries, Spinach,
Red Wine or Vitamin C in Elderly Women
ABSTRACT
It is often assumed that antioxidant nutrients contribute to the protection
afforded by fruits, vegetables, and red wine
against diseases of aging. However, the effect of fruit, vegetable and red wine
consumption on the overall antioxidant
status in human is unclear. In this study we investigated the responses in serum
total antioxidant capacity following
consumption of strawberries (240 g), spinach (294 g), red wine (300 ml) or
vitamin C (1250 mg) in eight elderly women.
Total antioxidant capacity was determined using different methods: oxygen
radical absorbance capacity (ORAC) assay,
Trolox equivalent antioxidant capacity (TEAC) assay and ferric reducing ability
(FRAP) assay. The results showed that
the total antioxidant capacity of serum determined as ORAC, TEAC and FRAP, using
the area under the curve, increased
significantly by 7-25% during the 4-h period following consumption of red wine,
strawberries, vitamin C or spinach. The
total antioxidant capacity of urine determined as ORAC increased (P < 0.05) by
9.6, 27.5, and 44.9% for strawberries,
spinach, and vitamin C, respectively, during the 24-h period following these
treatments. The plasma vitamin C level
after the strawberry drink, and the serum urate level after the strawberry and
spinach treatments, also increased
significantly. However, the increased vitamin C and urate levels could not fully
account for the increased total
antioxidant capacity in serum following the consumption of strawberries, spinach
or red wine.
We conclude that the consumption of strawberries, spinach or red wine, which are
rich in antioxidant phenolic compounds,
can increase the serum antioxidant capacity in humans. J. Nutr. 2383-2390, 1998
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Good health & long life,
Greg Watson,
http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au

Donna, I didn't receive the information, I became the information. I was really desperate for I couldn't talk on the phone, in our flower shop, since I had the stroke, and talked like I was drunk, could'n't write with my right hand, which is my working hand, and couldn t walk in the dark, had to have light, or I would fall down, and finally I though about the magnets.
I had a lady talked to me earlier, when I was going through chemo but I told her I couldn't afford all the expensive magnetic stuff, and finally when I had my stroke, probably due to the chemo, I became desperate. I wore the magnetic pearl necklace which enabled me to speak correctly , and I wore the bracelet, which gave me back the ability to use my right hand.
I also had a little chihauhau , and she slept with me in my magnetic mattress, but she died a week before valentine's with congestive heart failure. I even gave her the flaxseed oil ,but it didn't seem to help her. She was really getting around better, but she was also crippled at birth, and I would brag about my dog, and how well she was doing sleeping on our bed. She was 12 years old when she died, and I miss her greatly.
I hope your dog is doing better sleeping on the pet pad. Some people even use the pet pad for their own selves. Really, I think magnetic therapy is wonderful if your body is receptive to it, which mine was. Thank God, for that!!\
\
Cynthia

The summer comforter, for a twin is 231.00, full/queen is 264.00, king, 301.60 and there is a mini summer comforter for 40.00. Anyways, that is the retail prices on the Nikken summer comforter. Cynthia

In a message dated 3/1/02 7:00:39 PM, karatbird@... writes:
<< also, I had a stroke in October of 2000 , and was unable to write and
talked
like a drunk, and wearing the magnets enabled me to talk correctly again and
write. cynthia
I am concerned about this magnet information because i have a 12 year old
dog with spondylosis (sp) an d he sleeps on a Nikken dog bed ,It is in his
crate-- he also receives acupuncture treatments Where did you get this
information?
Thank you
Donna
DFNewman@...

Do you sell the Nikken products?

If so, how much is the summer quilt with the ceramic fibers?

Carolyn

Hi Dale,
Don't be discouraged if there are no replies. They haven't actually been in
business long enough to have a lot of patients.
Cliff

The lady that has bone cancer came back today for some fresh flowers for the nurses at the Cancer Treatment Center, and she used my magnetic (Nikken) backbelt and a super mini magnet, and miraclously, it took her pain away.
We tried two super minis, that were a 1,000 guass in strength, totalling 2,000 and that didn't do the trick. Well, then we added the back belt and it did the trick really really quickly. Then we decided to eliminate one of the super mini magnet and it still worked, then we decided to eliminate the last magnet and leave her with the back belt, and she was in pain again. So we found out the one super mini magnet and the back belt took her pain away, and so, we placed an order for her for a back belt and a mini magnet. It seems her body was receptive and open to magnetic therapy.
I also, told her she must start to increase her flaxseed oil from one tablespoon to 2 to more tablespoon. She says her husband has also been taking it, and she and her husband can tell it has helped her. I hate to say this but 3 months ago, we heard she was dying since her cancer came back, and am praying that the f/o cc will be working!!
Thanks again.

A quick update and a question. First of all, has anyone on this list dealt with this type of cancer? If so, what would you recommend? THANKS so MUCH!

My cousin that has been on flax oil for 2 or 3 months that has this cancer, had been taking chemo, also. Her dr has been telling her every month since she started the oil, that her tumors had all been shrinking, considerably each time she went in. Last visit was last Thurday, (last week) They told her there was significant shrinkage. Well, she was having problems this weekend and ended up getting airlifted to Wichita and they found out that her tumors had NOT been shrinking and one was so large it had closed off her liver duct. Also another was pinching off her small intestine where it closes off her stomach. Needless to say, her husband is very upset by what the drs in Dodge City had been telling her. We had been so happy that she was getting a good report every month, and now this! If anyone can offer any suggestions, we're all ears??? THANKS again!

Melanie

I have a fiend who is considering the trip to Mariposas Clinic in
Spain. It will be a very hard journey for this seventy nine year old
gentleman not to mention the cost involved. Can anyone who has been
there please reply? We have contacted the clinic and sent doctor's
reports and they tell us to jump on a plane and come on over, it
would be nice to hear from some people who have actually gone there.
Thanks, Dale

I've noticed that many people have trouble swallowing the FSO/CC mixture and I
have found it kind of difficult when blended--someone fortunately posted a
recipe
for adding crystal light and lemon juice (1-2 TBS. lemon juice plus a
rounded
teaspoon of Crystal Light powder to 1 to 11/2 cup FSO/CC) and it is delicious!
The powder eliminates the oily taste. I also tried doing the same, same
amounts,
with lime jello powder and lime juice. Wow!
Only negative here, however, is that both Crystal Light and Jello, like
Everything
Else, contain aspartame. dorothy

Does crystal light have aspertame in it?
In a message dated 2/28/02 10:18:09 PM, dbates3809@... writes:
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for adding crystal light

Does anyone know anything about how to help a fibrous liver? Would flax oil
help?
My nephew has an autoimmune problem in his colon. It has resulted in a tumor
(cancer caught early) on his gall bladder (removed) and in a fibrous liver. His
doctor said that he may need a liver transplant in a few years if the fibrous
liver is not prevented from becoming more fibrous. The transplant is now out of
the question since the tumor was cancer.
So, to prevent the liver from becoming more fibrous... do any of you know
anything about this topic? Does flax oil help? Or flax seed?
Carolyn

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Leonard

Hi, had a young lady with bone cancer , stage iv, come and visit me at the shop. She is dying with mutiple myeloma, (probably spelled wrong) and she has been taking the flaxseed oil, 1 tablespoon a day she said, and then eating the cottage cheese after she takes it. I talked with her at length about mixing her oil up with the cottage cheese, but told her she can use fruits to cover up the taste. I also gave her a bottle of the "companion nutrients" but told her it was definetly better to take the cottage cheese.
She has a lot of pain, and told her to increase her oil to 2 to 3 tablespoon a day, and then even more so. She was in remission for 5 years and this time it came back and I heard she was really really bad. I hope the oil will help buy her more time and I gave her the f/occ brochures, and such, as Cliff's testimonies and Dr. Budwigs protocol.
She is suppose to come back to our store tommorrow and was going to loan her my magnetic products, but decided against loaning out my expensive products, for I really don't know her.
Anyways, I had to tell the Flaxoil group, and also told her about the beta glucan.
She says her bone cancer that she doesn't have enough white blood cells, or something.
Cymthia

Hi All,
Thought this from the CrSociety list by Dan Manes on AGEs formation (unhealthy
protein to glucose cross links) in
cooking was worth sharing:
Since Dr. Helen Vlassera appears to be quite the AGE guru, I thought I'd ask
her a few questions that are of interest to me and hopefully many of you.
She forwarded them to her research dietician, Ms. Teresia Goldberg, who
provided some quick but interesting and perhaps useful answers. Thankfully,
she was more than willing to have me share her answers with all of you, so
here they are:
*Q* What cooking methods would you suggest for cooking poultry, fish, meat,
and eggs? I would suspect the best candidates would be steaming or poaching.
*A* Steaming and poaching are good. Boiling is also another good method for
low AGE food preparation Examples are meat balls cooked in sauce, boiled
chicken for in chicken soup and fish loaves or balls in a Jewish favorite
Gefilte fish.
*Q* When poaching, is there any evidence on whether it is better to, say,
simmer slowly for 20 minutes versus boil rapidly for 5 or 10?
*A* Both will be cooking a very similar temperatures so the shorter time is
better.
*Q* Would adding some wine or sherry while cooking greatly increase AGE
content? My understanding is that wine is very low in carbohydrates, so
perhaps it would be one way to make an AGE-reduced diet more palatable.
*A* Wine and juice marinades are very good to improve the flavor and do not
add AGEs
*Q* I would hope that steaming vegetables in a steamer or microwave is a
fairly safe practice since most tend to be relatively low in carbohydrates.
Is this a reasonable assumption?
*A* Yes. Microwaving of meats, poultry and fish is o.k. if done for short
periods that is adequate to produce a cooked product. The problem is that
there is a very short time window when the food is overcooked and the AGE
content then increases.
*Q* Have you ever measured the AGE content of typical store bought yogurt?
My understanding is that yogurt is heated for quite a long time (but
probably not a very high temperature) during the fermentation process, which
sounds like it might be problematic. (Conversely, I believe pasteurisation
involves a very quick exposure to high heat, so would likely cause minimal
damage.)
*A* We've tested Danonn vanilla, cherry and lite strawberry. All were very
low AGE foods. Puddings both instant and the ready made were also low.
Pasteurisation does not appear to promote AGE production.
*Q* I would think you would recommend against use of very slow cooking
methods, like stews in a crock pot, slow simmering soups, etc. Is this
correct?
*A* I don't have any information on foods prepared in a crockpot. I expect
that the longer time involved would promote AGE production
Ms. Goldberg's permission and credentials:
You can certainly share this information.
Terry Goldberg, MS, RD, CDE
Research Dietitian
========================
Good health & long life,
Greg Watson,
http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au

Any vegetable is best eaten in the raw. And if it has to be cooked. It should be brought to just a crisp stage, not mushy.

Remember too, that some foods, shouldn't be mixed and matched if possible. I no time to get into this now, but I was taught it can quickly change the chemical-unbalances in the body to do more harm than good.

And to the following statement I agree. Why would one want to use something else using the f/o when we know it is the cottage cheese to do the most good. I realize many people don't like the taste of cottage cheese, but until we have another food to take its place we are going to have to bear with it. Camouflage with fruits. Wash it down with lemon water. Get out a stick of gum, or a piece of clove to take away the taste, do anything, but please use cottage cheese, as Cliff and others are telling us to do. Why change a good thing we know is for sure working?

Miz Judy

<<Incidentally, asparagus does contain sulfur and protein, but I don't think
it's one of the better things to mix with/flax seed oil.

[INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE] A thought just occurred. Eat the other vegetables either before or after the oil and cottage cheese. I think the whole idea is that the cottage cheese is needed no matter how we look at it.

Is there a set rule, to how long we have to wait to eat a meal, or nibble. When taking the F/C and cottage cheese?

Love to you all..Miz Judy

In a message dated 02/27/2002 12:32:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
leeelder@... writes:
Fresh is definitely best. I don't know how effective canned is.

Leoard, interesting article! The question is, fresh or canned?

To the best of my knowledge, asparagus is 1 of the few foods (along w/grapes)
that has been repeatedly ancedotally reported to heal some cases of cancer if
eaten in huge amounts: "....large ovarian tumor...Afer three months it was
gone, just while eating asparagus........colon cancer...metastases to the
liver...asparagus regime...next scan two months later there was nothing"
(Robert Houston in Hess, 1999, pp. 137-139 [_Evaluating Alt. Cancer
Therapies_]).
"active agent [may be] heat-sensitive...RAW JUICE [from blender] may be the
most effective form" (Hess, 1999, p. 138); helps detoxify the liver; contains
abscisic acid, beta-carotene, oxalic acid, potassium, selenium, quercetin,
and "Protein-Histones which are thought to control cell growth (Cell Growth
Normalizer/CGN)...Has Oligosaccharides, Asparagoside Saponins and steroid
Glycosides; Asparginase (degrades Aspartic acid inhibiting tumor growths)"
(Marion, 1999, p. 276). It reportedly can repair damaged DNA (Green, 1991, p.
34). "Dr. Emanuel Revici...said...[it] produces in the body a substance
similar to one that he found...to be the most powerful antitumor agent...in
the mercaptan series of sulfur compounds. Asparagus may produce methyl
mercaptan....asparagusic acid...kills parasites....saponins showed antitumor
activity...." (Hess, 1999, pp. 137-139).
Incidentally, asparagus does contain sulfur and protein, but I don't think
it's 1 of the better things to mix w/flax seed oil.
Leonard

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Thanks, Edith.

Joel

Joel,
There is a list like this one that deals only with that. I used to be on it
but had to drop something soo..... They have personal testimonies etc.
Edith
In a message dated 02/24/2002 3:07:20 PM Central Standard Time, jagee@... writes:

Edith, I've considered getting a Beck zapper (and the 3 other parts of the Beck protocol), but need to find convincing evidence of the benefits first. Unfortunately the manufacturers aren't allowed to publish testimnials. So your example is helpful to me. Thank you! Joel

In a message dated 02/24/2002 7:46:41 AM Central Standard Time, mrjau@... writes:

instructions direct you to complete the parasite and kidney rinse program

Yes please share this to us all, either on or off the list to me.Miz Judy
here is a good place to start
http://curezone.com/image_gallery/bowelcleanse/
Edith

on 2/24/02 9:56 AM, Sandy Lightfoot at spp@... wrote:
Hi Sandy
Thanks for all the info..
Well, one thing I'll never do is give up my 2 dogs and a cat.
The rest of it sounds easy enough.
Have a great day,
Sal

Hi Sally,
You said:
If you go the the web-site www.drclark.net you will find the instructions
for all of her protocols. BTW, just a wee correction to Dr Clark's name, it
is Hulda, not Hilda (I know, picky, picky!:-)
I strongly urge you to buy one of her books, where all her 'stuff' is
explained in magnificent detail (also on her web-site). The parasite
cleanse (done one a week) consists of Tincture of Black Walnut in 1/2 cup of
water, 7 cloves capsules and 7 wormwood capsules. I take these at bedtime
along with all my other remedies (vitamins etc) It sounds like a lot, but
I've become adept at taking 2 capsules at a time, with a couple of mouthfuls
of water. I had trouble buying the Tincture of black Walnut, so had the
local health food store order it in for me. I couldn't find cloves
capsules, so bought some empty capsules and cloves, then filled them myself
(takes time but it's brain dead stuff to do). Hulda recommends some pretty
ruthless stuff that many cannot afford to do (like changing out copper
piping, getting all asbestos out of the house and not having pets, to name
just a few). I do think she is 'right on' with her beliefs that we are
living in a very toxic world, food additives and isopropyl alcohol in so any
things. So, I don't do everything, I pick and chose what I think is good for
me, at this time.
THE ZAPPER
Yes, my original zapper came from a friend (who didn't want me to die).
Later my son designed a digital zapper so I can program the zapping and
resting times, then carry on doing whatever I want to and zap at the same
time. The zapper does not work for everyone, but it did work for me. We
are all different people and we react to different therapies. It is a
journey of searching until we find the right combination specific for
ourselves. This is just my idea and not supported in fact. I can only say
that all the stuff I did, and still do, worked for me.
USANA VITAMINS
I take Profavanol Vitamin C 100mg, and body Rox Vitamins three times per
day. They are drop shipped to my mailbox which was arranged through a
friend who sells the stuff. I'm sure one can find out more on the net?
Take care ...
Love,
Sandy Lightfoot.

Remember a few days ago Lawrence is the young man, that passed out in K-mart. And this is what the recent test now showed. We we are still all baffled as to the fact that no one would have passed out in a seizure like state, and nothing be wrong.
We are now thanking God for answered prayer that there isn't anything that can be seen. One doc tells them that it is the chemical still working out of his body..that the mediation he was taking is now working it out. I say it is the fact Lawrence was taking some Flaxseed oil,and herbal teas that is working and his supplements. Plus the fact he is eating and fixing his foods better, has played an important role in healing.
********************************************

Dear Judy and Mel,
We are okay Lawrence had some more tests done. They did a EEG and it came up ok. No problems with seizures. Also had a heart echo done. it was ok too. They still don't know what happened. They want to run a couple more like a MRI. Well that all we know for now. Hows things with you? Will go for now. Talk to you later. Love you Deb

We had many emails regarding soy products, and I was researching but could not find them. Will you please let me know if it was the fermented or unfermented soy that is recommended for cancer patients. Also, which products are considered under the fermented or unfermented. Thanks, Mildred

instructions direct you to complete the parasite and kidney rinse program

Yes please share this to us all, either on or off the list to me.Miz Judy

Hi All.....

ELEVATED HOMOCYSTEINE LEVELS TEMPORALLY LINKED WITH DEMENTIA DEVELOPMENT
Individuals with elevated plasma homocysteine levels are at increased
risk
for the development of dementia, including Alzheimer's-related dementia,
according to a report published in the February 14th issue of The New
England Journal of Medicine.
Reuters Health Information 2002
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/425192

With all this talk about Hilda Clark, Liver Clogging, Parasites and Zappers, Whats probably

needed the most is a homocysteine check.

Respectfully,
Mike Martin
www.flaxrd.com
mike@...
Flax Your Way to Better Health

(Just kidding - but the info is good)

This was very interesting..Could you sesnd teh parasite and kidney rinse
instructions..
Thanks much,
Sally

In a message dated 2/23/2002 5:50:23 PM Central Standard Time, jm747pills@... writes:

Hi All :

I saw Cynthia mention this name in her post. What are the thoughts of the folks here regarding her?

Just curious

Respectfully,
Mike Martin
www.flaxrd.com
mike@...
Flax Your Way to Better Health

I am just catching up on my mail. Cliff, what two substances are you talking
about that Greg told us about?
Thanks,
Carolyn

Hi Carlos and Everyone,
You said:
I follow most of Dr Hulda Clark's protocols as WELL AS the FO/CC. The Liver
cleanse, as you said, is very beneficial. I follow the same one as you and
always get great results. I may as well add that I also have Zapped every
day for 33 months and do the herbal parasite cleanse once a week. I have
escaped every flu bug that has traveled around and feel amazingly healthy.
I also take Usana vitamins, so these are my 3 pet things that I do and feel
works for me. Recently, at the urging of a friend, I started taking Lipoic
Acid as it is an antioxidant and 'supposedly' flushes out toxins such as
arsenic and Mercury. Since I have never had my amalgams removed (shame on
me), this, may (or may not) do the same thing. I've been taking it for 2
weeks with no adverse effects, so this is another 'guinea pig' adventure!!
Bye for now ...
Sandy Lightfoot.

My question..Why do we all fear that 6-feet going under?. When I die, which I'm looking forward to..I know I will never again need to be worrying about what I eat, or how fat I get. I will be feasting at a Table set for a King.And automatically no doubt the fat will melt off before it reaches parts of my body that don't need it. But for right now all I can do is try not to cause myself to suffer to hastily before I die..None of my body enjoys pains. But I have to except the fat never the less, that this old vessel is just a dwelling shell to live in.

Love you all Miz Judy

.I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTLY!! I WOULD RATHER BE A LITTLE CHUNKY, THAN GAIN 6 FEET OF DIRT ABOVE. LOVE YA, CYNTHIA

Cliff you should live here in our home..both my men love to cook. In fact they hardly let me in the kitchen anymore. I have to "fight for my spot sometimes" Yesterday Randy decided to fix a couple dishes using soup with some pasta, and later in the evening adding to this rice, and cheese sauce. However you must when eating his food, get use to garlic and cayenne pepper, and herbs. I love his meals, but know my limitations too with them. Now Mel he likes to bake..and makes the best soups. But they leave the meat dishes up to me. Today I'm fixing Chicken ( white skinless) that is now marinating in berry wine) Later it will be baked, then cut up into another white herbal sauce. One of my new creations, that if it taste good I will have it in the cookbook. But I must confess Like Mary Anna, I prefer to sit back and say I've retired from making meals. Hey!! when I was cooking for 18 in a family back in the 60/;80's, I think I drained out fast. By the time I had the cancer 11
years ago, I then turned the meal prep over to others. Those 8 weeks in bed really spoiled me fast. But I never tired of those surprise dishes brought to me around the clock either.And once we all found out that some foods were better for fighting cancer we all welcome to eat the same things.Sure it was a hard -turn-a-round, but those healthier foods were what has still today kept me on the road of recovery.

Now Cliff I do know there was a time you like to be in the kitchen..And that camel honey candy with the nut-meats still crossed my mind today, seeing you standing there showing me how to make it perfectly. If I'm not mistaken it will be in this cookbook..because it was the children's favored treats..after meal time of a good healthy Meal. But I also have to go digging to see if it is here in the piled mess beside me, or if maybe I have years ago used it in a family Reunion book. Our kids demanded this even for birthday party's, and school treats. If I recall it was an expensive to make as it had all that honey in it, and butter I think. Gosh I hope I remember how to make it..care to run that by me again in a private letter. Ha.ha.heee. And and if I'm not mistaken you use to make good sandwiches too. I can't wait now to visit , Mel is laughing: he said "I will cook", and we can still go out to dine a couple times. We can live on salads, Fish, and soups. How about that for
old times sake"?

Miz Judy and Mr, Mel

I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTLY!! I WOULD RATHER BE A LITTLE CHUNKY, THAN GAIN 6 FEET OF DIRT ABOVE. LOVE YA, CYNTHIA

thanks you so much for the responses to my questions on NASH/FO? Yes I
really didn't think this out very well. The additional fat content of FO
might be a problem to those of us in the group who are already having a
problem with excess fat in their livers and cirrhosis.
thanks again I appreciate the replies,
joseph

Hi,
Speaking of weight and fat . . . some naturopathic physicians advocate that
everyone should flush their liver twice per year. They say that the liver is
a filter that needs to be cleaned out periodically. Since I had never done
a liver flush during my first 70 years of life, I did three liver flushes
spaced two weeks apart each and I noticed that I then began digesting food
better and losing fat around the waist though I did not change my eating
habits.
Hence, I now am a believer in the importance of the liver cleanse/flush ---
the one using epsom salt and olive oil. It is said to be a vital part of
getting rid of any chronic illness, including cancer. You do this flush
until you pass 2000 stones. This unplugs your liver so that your liver can
resume manufacturing bile and lymph, etc.
Here, below, is some more info on this important subject for those who might
be interested. Anyone wishing to lick cancer MUST do some of these liver
flushes, IMO.
Carlos

Hi,
My sister passed away a couple of years ago with a fibroid tumor in her
brain.
I don't know whether FO/CC would have helped her. I have some doubts.
However, she would not try it. She had always been weight conscious since a
couple of older brothers used to call her "fatso" when she was little. The
brothers weren't a lot older and didn't know any better.
All of us have a wieght limit of sorts due to inheritance. There would come
a time when one would not get heavier. As long as one does not eat until
one feels stuffed, there is no evidence that weight will shorten life.
Anyway, I have developed a philosophy. I am a little heavier than I would
like to be as well. But, If it is a choice of being a little above the
weight I would like and being alive, or of being thin and dead, I think the
choice is quite obvious. At least, it is for me.
Cliff

I agree a little weight gain, is not so bad..but there are some that are way over their limit.
And to much weight can cause heart attacks too. Or a stroke, which I do not want another one of those either.
The last visit to my ,she was so upset with me.And the first thing she ask me was this. "
What in the world are you trying to do..kill yourself. You've gained a few pounds, that you had worked to get off. Girl one of these days you're going to be found dead if you keep gaining. Now tell me what you are eating again..those oils?___I hope not." then I got a good ten minute lecture, about not to believe everything I hear and see on the computer." that is mostly trash junk.And people trying to make people believe things they shouldn't do. Now by your chart, you are still eating salads and vegetables..but that oil is most likely the cause.Keep it off the salads, and don't fry anything it it either. And are you walking and drinking the water like you should be? I assured her I was.But I don't think she believe me.And I also know she don't believe in diet-pills either. But that I should limit some more fats from my daily meals, and eat more grains.And she thinks a bowl of oats would help get me started in the morning. Okay will see how things go again this summer when
I'm out doors sweating it off.

Miz Judy

[INLINE]

Thanks Sandy Lightfoot, sure been a long times since I've had word from you. But thank God you are still on that road of recovery. And sounds like you too are doing what is right for you too.

I will not give up trying to stay healthy and cancer free, but there have been moments that little fear comes along, wondering what I'd do again under the same circumstances. I believe I'd be even wiser than before. And have more friends on the cyber-space to help me out. Remember 11 years ago I didn't have a computer to dig into. All I had was knowledge of my deceased Cherokee ancestors and the library books, and few Amish friends to help me.

Keep in mind the Cancer Challenge Ordeal has graphic pictures, therefore not for a weak stomach to view. But what I done for myself worked for me. And what I am still doing, is still working, with or without the flaxseed or the oil everyday.

[INLINE]
Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

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Prophecy of End times..

in my opinion, I think we need to keep up with the f/o, especially for cancer prevention. I would not risk not taking it for the gyn has been amazed that my cancer has not reocurr yet. So, remain a little pudgy, but since you also have had cancer in the leg, I would keep taking it, even if it is a tablespoon.
That is my opinion. Cynthia

Give me a wise answer please..Whom will give to us the best information on the list..and who am I to avoid as well.???

What doctor's know for sure the way the human body works, when using the flaxseed and the oil? Now I'm confused rather or not we need to take this oil if we don't have cancer. But what about people that don't know if they do or not.
And for us that have gained in using it..what should we now do to keep the wright down while using this oil?

Another Source of organic coconut oil I forgot:
http://essentialoil.com/JamGold.html

Flax seeds are excellent however if you're using the oil as part of the
Budwig protocol, you can't get enough electron donation from seeds
unless you eat cups worth a day, which is not much fun...!
Also, you might consider adding coconut to your diet...you need medium
chain fatty acids (laurins) to offset the effects of the LCT...and make
sure
you're eating enough protein and low bread/starchs and NO processed
grains...(for instance eat whole oat groats
or Irish Oats, not split oatmeal from the grocery store) etc.
Here's an interesting paper which was posted by Greg Watson in the
past...http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/67/4/595
You can go to the PDF page and download it with Adobe Acrobat or Adobe
Reader which usually comes as part of the programs in the Internet
Applications packages these days...its free so you can go to the Adobe
website and download it if you don't have it.
Here's probably the best source of laurin right now...
:http://204.177.79.251/main.html
You can also get the book Nourishing Traditions by Dr.Enig and Sally
Fallon
http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?WRD=Mary+Enig%2C+Ph%2ED%2E\
&userid=69UWIG2P3E
Dr.Bormann
************

Hi,
I think the main issue is that if one were to take one tablespoon of Flax
Oil a day for health they might use 3 tablespoons of seeds ground up instead
with increased benefits. I would agree with this.
There is nothing wrong with using the oil for better health. My wife does
this. If a person weighed enough to need more than three tablespoons of
seeds ground the extra would probably be better supplied with oil according
to Dr. Budwig.
Cliff

[INLINE] I had also gained on flaxseed oil very fast in a few weeks when I was using it, with the cottage cheese too.Then I stopped the cheese, but had an awful time getting those 6 pounds off.

The doctor that had been moderating my wight, was not happy.Because what we had worked so hard to take off ..I was putting back on faster. She told me any kind of oil, will do this.That flaxseed was one such oil, that had a way to put fat on bones. Mine was not mussel fat..believe me. And I also exercised, in the house using my bike, Mel and I both are making it a habit to walk. I had even gone to the gym to work out a few months..and I was still on this fat gain.

But as long as I watched what I eat during the day..on a low veggie sort of diet, I've been able to Keep the 6 pounds off. But after I STOPPED the oil..no problems again. I really begin to feel better too, and wasn't as tired ..But since I had had, cancer before..and otherwise feeling good, I though maybe just take 1-2 TBS a day of oil to see if that helped. It showed up again the gain in body weight over a two day time. I was gaining weight. to fast. so again I went back to just supplements, that are working for me to control the weight. And I have this winter been able to see the inches leaving more than the pounds.

This summer I believe I can loose them pounds, on a regular scale by more walking. I have 25 pounds to go. There was a time I weighed 197 pounds. This is hard to believe when I was only 103 when I married in 1956. Then in and around 1992/93, I got down to 150..Well I want to get there again..and have lost another 6 lbs over these long winters months. But like the doctor said. I also have to do my part, and eat foods I know will do me good, and not harm.
I am back to the drinking of more water too..there is one thing in loosing weight we have to do a lot of..Drinking of WATER, and juicing is not water.
I will be doing a lot of outdoor walking this summer using the cemetery, as the walking pad here in town. And that is only one block from where I live. We are going to make ourselves walk, walk, walk., every day at least twice on days the weather permits us to be out doors. We have many people walking here in the village now, and we are seeing results in the body of shifting that fat into proper place. And most of these folks watch what they eat.
My main meal now is fruits, and veggies, sometimes I prefer salads, and other times whatever I want. EVEN Pasta's, and I love beans-cornbread. We use garlic and onions in everything like cooked foods, except in fruits NO way.But I know people that do. But I also know my limitations as to the portions I dare have. One serving and that is usually all.Then I eat the rest of day raw fruits and veggies, with the water, or a good herbal tea. And yes we do have some meat in the diet, but not like we use to eat it.
So far this way of eating works for me. Last night we had a bowl of ice-cream, I'd say a good cup full. Supper time prior to the snack we had a salad. with crab meat. Day before we chose ahead beef sandwich with a bowl of broccoli soup. And one afternoon I fixed chicken in the oven. ( white meat we like best)..And another day we had pork-chop, stuffed with herbal dressing. ( eating isn't so hard once you learn not to glutton) When it comes to sugar..I limit mine to almost NONE at all. But I do use a little if I have a tea that needs it. And a little in the chilli, to help the acid of tomatoes..otherwise the sugar company would go out of business if I was the only one they relied upon to purchase it.

Love and good health to you all Miz Judy

Dear Joseph:
I'm glad others are interested, however for some hepatitis patients with alot
of inflammation, digesting oils at all can be difficult. There is alot of information
out there. I look at the following experts on lipid physiology (who aren't afraid to
think outside the box and don't cowtow to industry interests and pressures) a
Dr.Mary Enig (Used to work at Univ. of Minnesota I believe doing research)
Dr.Johanna Budwig (German doctor working primarily with Cancer. Developed the Oil Protein Diet)
Bruce Barleans, Barleans Oils (Family has been in the EFA business for 3 generations--honest and careing company of integrity )
Dr.Robert Erdmann (Worked in the field for something like 30+ years... he's a friend and very experienced in both amino acid physiology (wrote one of the best amino acid books out ther) and forthwright... Ph.D. is in Biochemistry / Nutrition and Psychiatry/Psycology...has an excellent clinic outside Seattle, WA)

As in anything in life, it can become toxic if done out of balance or if the persons biochemistry
is imbalanced due to infections, inflammation, etc. Essential Fatty Acids is one of the best things
for calming down inflammation because of prostaglandin modulation...however it must be done
in moderation. This list advocates the use of large quantities (relatively) of Flaxseed oil as an adjunctive
therapy in cancer...that would usually be contraindicated for a hepatitis patient if they're intolerant of fats....

Flaxseed oil like any other oil except MCT (medium chain fatty acids) can become
estrogenic in suceptible (obese or diabetic) individuals who already have a tremendous
problem properly oxidizing fatty acids into energy because of insulin resistence... it tends
to make to increase the estrogen dominance problem produced by the excess fat they're carrying, which in turn
supresses thyroxin conversion and how they can burn fat because they're not getting proper oxygenation of their
tissues. They also tend to become anemic as a result and increase their tissue hypoxia...and circulatory problems.

In cancer, F.O. should always be used in conjunction with sulphur-bearing amino acids (methionine/glutathione) so
we mix it with cottage cheese, yogurt, eggs, etc. to achieve this. This is basically a electron donor therapy/electron
stealing therapy...not a primary nutritional therapy per se... it has a very specific biochemical purpose... just like the work
in Autism with fatty acids (Lorenzo's Oil movie, etc.)... this combination of food just happens to be the most efficient method to achieve the end
result, that's all.

Also, taking it in combination with Alpha Lipoic Acid, which in itself raises intracellular glutathione levels, along with high
dose C & bioflavanoids and trimethylglycine is very beneficial for hepatitis patients as well. I also clinically recommend extensive use of digestive enzymes (cultred ones, not animal based) to digest the fats and triglicerides and drinking of plenty of pure water and sweating out
toxins in something like our hyperthermic chamber 45 min./2-3 times a week...

Suggested Reading to get up to speed:
Go to Barleans Oils (manufactures organic oils...barleansoils.com) and order the books by Dr.Budwig
and others or off Amazon...
* "Know Your Fats" by Mary Enig, Ph.D. http://www.enig.com/trans.html
* "Fats That Can Save Your Life--The critical role of fats and oils in health and disease" by Robert Erdmann, Ph.D.
* "Understanding Fats & Oils--Your guide to healing with essential fatty acids" by Michael Murray and Jade Beutler.

I hope this is of some benefit.

Dr.Bormann
***********

I work out at the gym and didn't start gaining wait until I started the flax
oil. Does anyone know if ground seeds would be less fattening?

lately I have been reading of the flaxseed oil, making people gain weight. I wonder if it is also from a lack of exercise, that isn't burning off the excess fat?

And to Mike..or anyone. You mean to tell me that if one don't have cancer, they shouldn't be using the oil? I always thought that by using this oil a little each day would help prevent cancers from getting into the body.
What about people that had had cancer, should thy or not stay on it.

And what if someone never knew they had. or now have cancer, wouldn't it be just as wise to take some daily, than none at all?

Now what am I not seeing on this oil-subject? Miz Judy

I gained 20 lbs since starting the FO/CC!! Why does grinding your own make a difference? Isn't it just as fattening? If it's not, I will switch to
grinding my own.

I am planning on getting rid of the oil in the next couple weeks, after an EFA blood test.
Remember that I am NOT treating cancer - this is for wellness.

Hi All

Many of you have asked how I use get my flax. I make a drink that I take once a day consisting of the following :

8 oz's Tomatoe Juice (low sodium)

2 Tblspn Ground Seed

1 Tblspn Flax Oil

1 Tblspn honey

I also take 400 IU's vitamin E, 500 mg vitamin C and a multivitamin as well.

I am planning on getting rid of the oil in the next couple weeks, after an EFA blood test.

Remember that I am NOT treating cancer - this is for wellness.

What do you do ?

Respectfully,
Mike Martin
www.flaxrd.com
mike@...
Flax Your Way to Better Health

Hi All

Phytoestrogens May Reduce Heart Disease Risk In Older Women
(Integrative Medicine) - A diet rich in phytoestrogens may help
stave off heart disease in postmenopausal women, according to a
new study in the Journal of Nutrition.
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/333/28815/346105.html

Ground Flax Seed is an excellent source of phytoestrogens. These phytoestrogens are found in the Lignan portion of the ground seed. It's been proven beneficial towards menopause, now heres another reason.

I am really glad to see that so many folks have added the ground seed to their protocol. I think its extremely important and can certainly cause no harm.

Respectfully,
Mike Martin
www.flaxrd.com
mike@...
Flax Your Way to Better Health

Hi Sally,
At first, I took 2 tablespoons of FO with 1/2 cup low-fat CC, but I gained
so much weight, I knew I had to cut something back, so now I take 1
tablespoon FO with 1/2 cup CC, with 1-2 teaspoons flax seeds. I add Splenda
for sweetening (available in Canada), and add a small amount of water to
maintain a creamy (not stiff) consistency. This is mixture is delicious
poured over fresh fruit ... My mouth waters just thinking about it...
BTW, I am slowly losing weight and am continuing to feel fantastic!
Take care ...
Sandy Lightfoot

Joseph!

It is interesting to me that you ask.

Hi All,
Gou Qi Zi (Wolf Berry) is available in the Adelaide Central Market 100g for Aus
$1.80 (US $0.90). Called Lycium
Chinese. Shop owner feeds around 10 g (2,530 Orac Anti-Oxidant units) per day
to her family for good eyes and liver
function. Very small (6 - 8 mm long and 4 - 5 mm wide), reddish, dried fruit
which has a slightly sweet taste and is
nice to chew. I ate about 50 g as I walked around doing my shopping this
morning.
gou qi zi (fruit)
di gu pi (bark of the plant)
gou qi ye (leaves of the plant)
Chinese symbol & picture:
http://alternativehealing.org/qi_zi.%20Heading.jpg
More information:
http://alternativehealing.org/qi_zi.htm
I will add 10 g to my morning coconut & fruit smoothie and take out 5 prunes.
1/2 cup blueberries (75 g & 1,800 Orac units)
1/2 cup strawberries (72 g & 1,108 Orac units)
5 prunes (42 g & 2,423 Orac units)
1/2 banana (59 g & 124 ORAC units)
1 kiwi fruit (100 g & 604 Orac units)
10 g wolfberries (10 g & 2,530 Orac units)
1 tablespoon ground flax (Omega 3 LNA & fiber)
1 tablespoons soy protein powder
1/2 cup coconut milk
The ORAC rating is at least 8,589.
I have added more foods (including Vit C and Vit E) and a column for ORAC per
gram to my ORAC listing and Excel
spreadsheet:
http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au/OracLevels.htm
http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au/orac.xls
========================
Good health & long life,
Greg Watson,
http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au

Hi Alisa....

Welcome to the list

Respectfully,
Mike Martin
www.flaxrd.com
mike@...
Flax Your Way to Better Health

Hi Joseph......

For general health you probably don't need flax oil. Ground flax seed would do nicely. It's cheaper

easier to use and offers all the health benefits a healthy person needs.

Respectfully,
Mike Martin
www.flaxrd.com
mike@...
Flax Your Way to Better Health

I am a member of a group called NASH (Non Alcoholic Steatohepatitis).
This group is interested in finding out more about the possible use of
Flax Seed Oil in relation to Liver disease/cirrhosis. Some members are
carrying multiple health problems: Cirrhosis, Diabetes, Portal
Hypertension, FattyLiver, GERD, to list a few.
I was asked to find out if there are any conditions that would forbid
the use of flaxseed oil? I was also sent to ask if there was a few URL's
that the group might reference to start coming up to speed on the health
benefits of Flaxseed Oil?
thanks for any help with this,
joseph puentes

Unfortunately my life is consumed with a lot of stuff that grown-ups
must do and I can't devote as much time to the study of certain things
right now.
In order to get me started would you mind sharing the following?:
1) what brands of flax oil do you consider to be the top 2 or 3 on the
market?
2) how will I know that the flax oil is reasonably fresh? Expiration
date?
3) what would a beginning ratio of FO to CC for someone interested in
general health maintenance?
4) is it possible to substitute Kefir or Yogurt for the CC or is the CC
essential?
5) what is the title of the book that the FO revolution is based on?
thanks much for your help with this.
joseph in NC

Sandy, GOOD FOR YOU!!!!! That's what we love to hear!
Keep up the great work! I'm so very happy for you!
Melanie

For those interested in other alternatives to compliment fso/cc,
check out this group. Edith
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Hi...have posted a couple of times...I have a form of
nhl called cll/sll...like leukemia and lymphoma mixed
together...just had my cat scan and blood work
done...have been using fo/cc for the last few months
daily...some slight increase was seen in my
nodes...(some measure 6 cm)...but basically
unchanged...the previous year...it had not changed
much either...so I am thankful for having an indolent
form of the disease..

Cynthia,

From what I know- you are doing fine.

Lorenzo

Hi, I had to take chemo for my uterine cancer which was very very bad. Had stage Iv cancer, and Dr. gave me 6 to 12 months to live. My cancer responded to one of the chemos, but I have been on the f/o for 15 months now and the gynelogist is surprised my cancer has not recurred again. I take chinese herbs, vitamins, and f/o and the Oasis products. I just started the Oasis products 6 weeks ago, for I was trying to get my energy level up for Valentine's.
Does that help answer your question? Cynthia
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For Russell

I take 3 to 6 Grams of VitaminC. When I had a nodule on the prostate Dr. M. S. put me on Sulfa for a month, saying it is hard to get medication to that area. I am 75.

It is two years now with no recurrence so that may have been effective.

Hi...have posted a couple of times...I have a form of
nhl called cll/sll...like leukemia and lymphoma mixed
together...just had my cat scan and blood work
done...have been using fo/cc for the last few months
daily...some slight increase was seen in my
nodes...(some measure 6 cm)...but basically
unchanged...the previous year...it had not changed
much either...so I am thankful for having an indolent
form of the disease...I read with interest Cliffs
statement about the tumor shrinkage and nhl...combined
with the fo/cc...for what I have...there are chemo
agents that will shrink the nodes to nothing...but the
disease is still present in the blood and
marrow...some get remission for years...however at
present...there is no cure for cll/sll...I am curious
as to the form of nhl we are talking about...I use the
fo/cc...as I believe it helps...and it makes
sense...but I recognize the placebo affect...ie...if
you believe something will work...it will to some
degree...similiar to prayer...I do not understand
this...but to deny its reality is foolish...just some
ramblings...from someone working on
"recovering"...from cll/sll....bob

About 5 weeks ago I had a PSA exam (prostate cancer
screening) which came back at 7.5. A high number. I
requested a 2nd exam from my Urologist. Today I got it
back. It was 2.1 and well within the acceptable range.
Before I use to sympahize with those who are cancer
victims. Today I empathize with them. If my last 5 weeks
are any kind of indication of what a cancer victim goes
through emotionally it is a very hard road. I now
understand how important the support that comes through
this list and others like it is.
Russell
PTL

That's wonderful Russell,
Would you like to share with us, what you have done to help you reduce
your PSA.
Thanks,
ART

Hi,
About five years ago a Joan stopped at our home and wanted a cancer tape she
had heard we were making.
She wanted it for her brother Wayne. Wayne had cancer in his chest and head
and was in quite serious condition. He was not expected to make it very
long. He began using the flax oil with cottage cheese and three or four
months later the doctor found no evidence of cancer.
This stayed that way for a year and a half or so. The doctor wanted to give
him chemo so it wouldn't return but found no real excuse. Incidentally,
last year I saw his initial dignosis and the doctor had written, "This kind
of cancer does not respond well to chemo.
Anyway, Wayne did not like cottage cheese, and he was better so he quit
that. He would leave a bottle of oil in his mother's fridge [He lived
alone] and when he saw her, usually each evening, he just took a swig and
put the bottle back. Dr. Budwig says that without the sulfur based protein,
it can have the "opposite effect".
The next checkup showed evidence of cancer redeveloping. The doctor told
him that the Flax Oil hadn't helped and that he should get back on the
chemo. He had great faith in the doctor and got back on the chemo and it
has been down hill ever since. When the redevelopment of the cancer was
evident, he was devastated.
How could that happer? He had taken all that chemo and expected to be
cured.
His mother had cancer develop in a lung about three years ago and part of a
lung was removed. She didn't see any need for anything else, such as FO/CC.
After some months it seemed to be evident elsewhere. She used the FO/CC to
some extent but not nearly enough. She followed her doctor's directions and
took some chemo. As things gradually got worse she lived with it and took
some FO/CC but again not consistently and enough.
Tonight I recieved the message from Joan that I have pasted in below:
WAYNE IS VERY SICK AND IN LOTS OF PAIN TODDAY. Spent Monday at the Dr. in
UT. and then in Chattanooga, on tuesday. They want to keep h im free from
as much pain as possible. JUst call out to God for him and all of us. Moma
is in lots of pain, a.lso. Both were scheduled to start chemo tomorrow.
God has and I know always wil hear our prayers, He has ansewered many times.
`Remember Jody and Allen and Derek and the custody case trial tommorrow.
aND SO MANY MORE SICK, AND HURTING. I just can't beleive or accept that it
is time for Wayne. I don't give up or quit , easily. Love, Joan
Cliff

This is why people werent eaten up with cancer and chemo etc back then --the
livestock and chicken was well fed and we ate healthier food
In a message dated 2/20/02 5:34:38 PM, mrjau@... writes:
<< I believe grandma, grounded the scales and in powder form she may have put
them on casseroles??? But we also threw things like this to the hogs and
chickens to eat. You mean they wee eating better than we were?