Flax Seeds

Thank you, Cliff.

Once again, you are so much more diplomatic with your words than I .

Best Regards and Happy Birthday,

NHY

HI,
I have really been thinking about recent posts and the purpose for which
this list was set up in the first place.
The purpose was to discuss and pass on [by implication] the health values of
flaxseed oil.
Mainly, we are fighting cancer in any form.
According to Larry's doctor, the best doctor there is relating to cancer of
the esophagus, Larry has NO HOPE. Under the care of this great doctor who
is the ultimate in a standard treatment pracationer, the cancer has
progressed to the point where stopping it is touch and go.
I still believe, according to what I have seen myself, that Larry can
recover.
I mentioned that Dr. Budwig has over 1000 documented cures. I have
unserstood her success rate was 98%. Recently I saw a statement that in an
interview she said it was 90%.
Then the posts stating it was time Larry got professional help instead of
following the plan of an amateur like Dr. Budwig [implied].
I do not have the documents of he 1000 cases that have been cured. I do not
have the ones that I have known myself. There is no possibility whatever
that I would have time to do anything like that or follow up each one.
Most of the skepticism comes from folks who are not in trouble or danger.
The idea is that if anyone can convince them by scientific expermiments and
studies that this was a valid approach they would use it if they get cancer.
This is not going to happen.
When I was first in trouble I read the account of Dr. Budwig's treating a
young 35 year old mother who was so far gone with cancer she could not
longer eat. This was in the book "How to Fight Cancer and Win" by Fischer.
This book was out of print for awhile but a revised version is now
available. She took this young lady and gave her flaxseed oil and skim
milk in enemas. [Don't ask. I don't know how to do that. Practice] In
two weeks she was eating and before long she was back home taking care of
her family.
That was all I needed. I found a source of oil and got started. I got it
from Nature's Distributors under the Biosan label. It was manufactured by
Barlean's.
I have found that there are two main reactions when folks hear about this.
Some are skeptical and wouldn't do anything the doctor did not tell them to
do. Some want to start immediately. Can I get it tonight?
I am going to start posting a couple or so situations a day of things that
have come about before September of 1998. For a lot of evidence of things
that happened since then check www.beckwithfamily.com
Hopefully, there will be things posted by members as they use it, like
Donna's report today of her dog having non malignant growths significantly
reduced.
Some like the debates. Some get tired of them.
We don't want a general discussion of stopping cancer with other methods on
this forum. We want this strictly flax oil. John can refer to another
website for the doctor he mentioned and let it go at that. We don't want
this to deteorate into a general discussion list. That is too broad and
confusing. We have ill people trying to get well and this works.
I have learned over the years that when someone recovers from cancer and
tells a friend who has it the friend usually doesn't need a scientific
explanation. They want to get started now.
Of course, I have learned some things. If I want to lose weight and the
disappearing fat increases the Omega 6 I will increase the flax oil and get
more Omega 3 in my system to balance it.
Cliff

I see my one post was evidently removed. It's just as well, I was in a bad
mood.
For those who've been wanted updates on my brother-in-law, his latest CEA
is now 47. It started at 77 in September when he began the alt treatments.
To put it bluntly, he was a deadman walking by all accounts. To make it this
far is quite a feat. My sister had one person ask if it were possible he was
misdiagnosed. LOL. She had an independent pathologist in California give his
opinion. It is stage IV colorectal adenocarcinoma.
Unfortunately, I don't have the CA 19-9 and CA 125 here right now, but
they have dropped by over 75%. He will be getting a CAT scan and/or MRI
sometime in the next month.
He's been feeling much better since his anemia has been addressed. I
expect other aspects of his well being will improve as the ferritin/iron
numbers get better. He's getting an iron shot once a week, and is taking
Eniva Iron/C. I believe if he can get his CEA down to 25 and below, he will
pull through this.
Amongst other things, he's taking 6 Tbls of FO per day. He's using
companion nutrients from Nature's Distributors, for which I still have not
received a reply as to it's efficacy, unless I missed it. I do recall a few
in the past mentioning of them, but not much detail. I know Cliff has, but
not sure if any brand was listed. Again, I'd like some good info on this.

Now it is clear.

There has been no reason behind the "lox" in Oleolox; but a case for "lux" in Oleolux is on solid ground.

"Lux" in German is used to denote luxury the same as in English. The translator of the cookbook erred in changing it to "lox". Or it could have been just a typo?

So Dr. Budwig may have meant "Nice and made from Oil". When she named it Oleolux.

Lorenzo

I repeat; in the German editions, she calls the product Oleolux. No "lox" in the name.

Joel

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Larry stated: " I view the chemo as emergency first aid, and FO/CC & Protocol 1 as my real hope for extended life."

Does that sound like someone asking for another alternative or asking for suggestions for a doctor to see?

Cliff and I as well as many others have chosen to bet our lives on FO/CC and have won, thus far . If someone else chooses to do so also, we should be here for help and support, not to have a newbie try to chase them away.

John is a newbie here, like yourself, who has twice tried to dissuade Larry from doing what he has chosen to bet his life on, FO/CC. First he suggested allotropic doctors and now he is suggesting a particular alternative doctor HE believes in, neither of which was asked for by Larry. If someone comes here asking for help on FO/CC and I respond as I did to someone new to this forum who is all but saying repeatedly "you are making a mistake to place your faith in FO/CC", if that is a flame, so be it! However, I would contend your post below is the epitome of a flame post.

In addition, I assume you a mind reader now? If not, you don't have the slightest idea what I know and don't know about the Budwig protocol or what I have and have not read. Yet you have the audacity to state emphatically what I know and what I don't. What a pompous ass you are!

You didn't know that FO/CC are supposed to be blended together until I told you in a private e-mail this week. It is so basic. It has been posted hundreds of times here so you are only one of the few here who didn't know that. In addition, Dr. Budwig herself says to do so in her Classic Book.

If you would read the messages here for a while, 90% of your questions you have for Dr. Budwig would be answered. At this point, you don't even know the basics.

I am well aware about sunlight. What on the living earth EVER gave you the slightest, teeny weenie impression that I didn't know that. Any particular post? You seem to be the one who just found out about that concept and are enamoured with it. That is covered in two chapters in her book above which I am certain you could not have read and not known about blending the FO/CC together. You have only read her COOKBOOK and now proclaim yourself an expert while you haven't read her main volume, just the German cookbook based on her protocol.

All your Budwig Diet Cookbook stuff is not necessary to for survival, trust me! Many in the US are alive thanks to FO/CC who have NEVER read either of Dr. Budwig's books or ate any of her recipes. I'm sure some were unable to get out into the sun also, yet survived.

I am no longer going to waste my time responding to you. I wasted my time replying to your private e-mails in hopes that would put an end to it. You don't like me, so what! I'm not here to coddle your ego but rather to save lives. So, if you must attack me to build your self esteem, have at it.

You must give your two cent reply to every post here, that's your prerogative, even if you have less top say than most here. Sooner or later more will tire of your incessant posts as many have already.

Some of us here do have a life outside of this forum. You obviously don't.

My agenda, that you are so hung up on it to help people stay alive by using FO/CC. It's as simple as that! Many people have done so here, without your help, believe it or not. Oh... and eating German food and getting sunlight is not a necessary requirement to follow Budwig or to stay alive!

I'll say it again, if you would read the old messages instead of posting so much here, you would learn a whole lot more about Dr. Budwig. You want everyone to humor you and your questions when it would not be that expensive for a senior manager of your stature.

As someone who CLAIMS to have been using Budwig's protocol for three years and knows so little and has so many questions, seems ass backwards to me. I read to learn before I asked questions so I would know the right questions to ask. After reading the archives, I DIDN'T have any questions before I bet MY LIFE on this protocol. It was all there in the archives for those who want to learn can.

But then, I didn't need to be the center of attention here, like you obviously do.

I second that! You really are a marvelous person to help others the way you
do through this list. I personally thank you for all I'm learning through
your information and questions. We have breast cancer in the females of our
family and my Dad has skin melanoma. My dog just had a mast cell tumor
removed and a good friend is getting blood transfusions with leukemia. I'm
greatful for the opportunity to learn.
Happy Birthday!
BonnieB
In a message dated 1/5/2002 12:31:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dukeofchurchill3@... writes:
<<
Cliff,
I want to wish you a Happy 80th Birthday. Today. And
thank you for all the help and information you have made
available. Today I want to say that you have improved my
life and the lives of those around me. Thank you and
Happy Birthday.
Russell

All one does is:
1. Melt dairy butter at low temperature,
2. Pour off the "oil" from the top into another container, and
3. discard the "milk solids" which will have
accumulated at the bottom of your container.)

Ghee is in India, a boiling a liquid butter ( clarified ) made from the milk of buffaloes and cows.. Goodness to MERCY I've done this for years and never knew exactly what it was called. How about that? I've learned something new today..Ghee-wiz!

Miz Judy

[INLINE] By my records I think we are off a few days for Cliff's BIG one. Cliff isn't this a Blast! We dare not get to carried away like Last year in celebration HUH? But if early that is okay..and if lets say ten days late that is okay too...Right? But no matter when the hour arrives I agree that I never thought I'd see the day you'd turn that big -80., And hope Mary Anna hasn't forgot the candles?

Love as always Miz Judy and Mr. Mel

I found a web site that has lots of things about health and food.
A 10 day detox program etc.
www.modernmanna.com
Edith

[INLINE] Thanks lea, your story has touched me today in a great way. I have learned that often times a child will cry because of just frustration..but it is something their body is trying to tell us that they need HELP. Unable to talk Jay was in a bad way..he was always sick. I kept telling my friend. "This boy needs help." When he was about 11 or twelve he was having seizures, sometimes more than we thought normal. By the time Jay was 12, he would have these attacks when we least expected them to happen..while out playing with our son Aulston, or while watching TV. or flashing lights on cop-cars. Bright lights bothered his eyes badly. He was later diagnosed to be permanently disabled. But the parents refused to put him through a lot of brain testing, where as they told the parents it could kill him and they couldn't guarantee a 50/50 chance the testing wouldn't make him further retarded. The parents sent out prayer request, to every Church and friends they knew. And
fasting and praying for the right thing to do. And since at the time they lived in one of our apartments and had been friends many years,,we really got down to business with God.
One afternoon the Doctor from Children's Hospital phoned to give them a good message. They would try Jay on medication instead of experimenting with his brain by operating..etc. Within two months Jay begin to improve. ( I have no idea off had what this way he was given ..Id have to have his parents tell me again ) Jay is now going on 22, able to work full time in a bakery, and is in Country- Gospel music, with his family making CD's. And very active in the singles-youth group at church. He is as normal as you and I, and since last year taken off his medications. The doctors are so AMAZED at his recovery..but knew the brain testing would have done him in. Thank God his father SAID NO way was his son to be put through the torture. Prior to Aulty's death, he was so worried about his friend.That one day I found him in his room crying and praying. I will never forget his words. " Mom what will happen when I'm gone and Jay won't have me to protect him when he is outside playing?"
Never did I dream what Aulty was referring to until after he passed away..for it was after his death, Jay got help..could it have been an Angel was with Jay all this time? We all now believe so. Jay told me last Sunday that he still feels Aulty is right with him. " You know everywhere I go, I feel I'm still not alone." he has also dedicated some songs to Aulty..one I love is, About his friend, and the other God reached out his hand. They are tear jerking, but with so much meaning and love.

Miz Judy and Mr. Mel

Happy birthday Cliff
I feel blessed to know you and share ways to increase our faith and our
health
donna

Cliff:
May you look forward to another 80 years, and as you contemplate your status
as an amateur in health remember,
THE ARK WAS BUILT BY AMATEURS
AND
THE TITANIC WAS BUILT BY PROFESSIONALS
Happy Birthday.
Henry Miles

Lea:
I have not heard of xeloda, but I would like to know if your friend is taking the FO/CC regimen ? Is the cancer spreading in spite of using FP/CC.
Henry

Cliff,
I want to wish you a Happy 80th Birthday. Today. And
thank you for all the help and information you have made
available. Today I want to say that you have improved my
life and the lives of those around me. Thank you and
Happy Birthday.
Russell

Wilhelm
Thank you, once again, for such a considered post.
Your comments indicate that.
1. You've read what another list-member has said.
2. Researched your reply.
Personally In find that very helpful.
Jeffrey
"wilhelmh2" <wilhelmh@...

NHY Is almost anti "The Dr Johanna Budwig Classic Protocol".
Hasn't read the Oil Protein Diet cookbook ... and doesn't seem inclined to.
Therefore:
Doesn't know about Oleolox.
Doesn't know about Lin O Mel.
Doesn't know about the vital use of sunlight as a catalyst in the protocol.
Discourages direct contact/information gathering from Dr Johana Budwig ...
is almost an anti-zealot.
Wants to get people off the list ... that's an important thrust.
I wonder why?
What's NHY really up to here?
My observation is the more people obscure their names, the less they know
or the more they have a hidden agenda.
Jeffrey
"need_high_yield" <need_high_yield@...

Thanks very much for this Cliff. It is much more explicit.
How might we get Budwig's 1000 cases. You've seen them, could we see them
too.
Could you put them all on one mail. If you highlight them all and hit
forward they should all form one. If they're just text, then it shouldn't
be too large a file.
Then others with less interest, or who've seen them before can skip them.
This is why I asked for zip file as soon as I came on the list.
I think the list needs to be more attractive for newcomers. I've been on
here 6 weeks now and it's been hard going trying to sort out who the
players are ... what the threads are etc ... true I could have kept my
mouth shut for 6 weeks but others, like me, are going to ask questions as
The Classic Dr Johanna Budwig Protocol gets more popular.
I would love to see a table with something like this: So that we can, at a
glance, be encouraged by the results. I think that's the point isn't it.
Jeffrey
|

Lorenzo, it's on page vii of
THE OIL PROTEIN DIET COOKBOOK
"An imaginative yet practical guide for healthy food preparation by seven
time Nobel Prize nominee & Europe's foremost authority on Cancer &
Nutrition"
"Discover how to utilise the healing powers of flax oil in over 500
deliciously possible recipes"
Apple Publishing Co ... ISBN 0969 5272 2 5
People on The Classic Dr Johanna Budwig Protocol are supposed to switch to
this in place of butter and other spreads. As it uses 125 ml (a cup) of
flax seed oil, plus 2 cups of coconut oil ... I'm presuming it makes a
significant contribution to the amount of fso one gets.
Also ... I read somewhere that the onions and garlic in the mix add
sulphur.
She calls it OLEOLOX-FAT. I wrongly added in the hyphen Oleo-lox.
She does seem to have registered products and names.
"Lorenzo" <lorenzo1@...

eh?
Who's the man involved.
We need to write to Dr Johanna Budwig (Ms).
"Miz Judy & Mel" <mrjau@...

Please unsubscribe me from the group. Thank you, Linda

Greg,
I am trying to better understand where you are coming from, because
I continue to have problems with your theory.
When you, in the fight against cancer, suggest all out war,
by "...flood(ing) my body with Omega 3 LNA & Omega 3 EPA..." you
would probably do it without quark/CC. I say this because I don't
remember you ever having commented on that and also because the
effect that you want to create would be curtailed if the oil
would be mixed with the requisite type and amount of protein.
Dr.Budwig cautions against using linseed oil without quark (or
equivalent). She says that way "it can do more harm than good". She
does not say that the desired effect (i.e. respiration or restoring
respiration of the cells) will not happen, which would be true as
well. Rather she goes a step further and says: Harm can (or will)
result. Why does she say that? Obviously because of the high degree
of oxidation of the oil that can (or will) take place in the absence
of quark. In other words, quark which combines with the oil in such
a way as to make it water soluble (an emulsion) will provide an anti-
oxidative protection for the oil and will prevent or curtail the
production of free radicals.
You want to bring about a process that Dr.Budwig cautions against.
I want to explore two thoughts on that:
First,
you want to use linseed oil as a toxic substance and thus emulate
the principles of chemo therapy. Except that you are not using a
toxic chemical to achieve your end but a nutricious food substance
in a way and quantity so as to make it harmful or toxic. In either
application destruction will take place and it is non-selective and
will create "collateral damage". This would mean that health would
take a turn for the worse initially and IF all cancer cells have
been successfully killed, rebuilding health can take place. But like
with chemo, complete destruction of cancer cells is by no means a
certainty one can count on. Therefore there is a high degree of
risk. If chemo is any reference one can apply here, the success rate
is dismal with great discomfort of the patient in the meantime.
Second,
you want to create an abundance of free radicals in order to kill
the cancer cells. The reason you want to kill them because you say
they all have damaged DNA and thus must be killed. But one of the
factors that damages DNA is bombardment with free radicals. So, as
you kill cancer cells you also do (collateral) damage to the DNA in
healthy cells, because this is non-selective and unavoidable. Then,
when you think you have the cancer beaten and return to normal, the
formerly healthy cells that now have damaged DNA will form new
tumors, yes? no? Then what? Would you begin flooding yourself with
linseed oil again and start a new war on the cancer cells with
collateral damage?
I cannot comment too much on the extent of damaged DNA because I
simply don't know enough about that. But there are a number of
researchers out there who say that (at least certain) cancer cells
can be restored to normal or to near normal. Lynn Bowers in post #
2048 dared to draw your attention to Dr.Gregg's research
(Dr. David Gregg at www.krysalis-sparx.com/cancer.htm-) on this
subject which you, after having had a cursory look at it rejected as
a "fairy tale". She has not said a thing since, and I don't blame
her. Getting such a prompt dismissal is intimidating and does not
make for a good exchange of ideas and information. I also had
a cursory look at it and found it very interesting. I want to read
it in more detail.
Similarly, you dismissed my notion that perhaps (some) cancer
cells could revert to a normal state with a prompt an unequivocal
dismissal: "No Way!"
Let me give you give you some more fairy tales to look at....if you
want to that is.
"While performing cancer research at Stanford University, I learned
that several natural chemical substances have a strong tendency to
induce cancer cells to revert to the normal, non-malignant cell type
from which they originated."
http://www.lifextensiondoctor.com/Center/center.html
"The authors dispute the idea that once a cancer cell, always a
cancer cell. If this were true, they ask, "how can cells derived
from these neoplasias revert to behave as normal cells?"
http://www.tufts.edu/~skrimsky/krimsky/reviews/society_cells.htm
What is important to me is that Dr.Budwig has great success in
restoring cancer patients back to health. Cliff says she has a 98%
success rate. That is far better than any other approach I know of.
And that is what counts...
Wilhelm

There is no "lox" nor "oleo" in the 170,000 word German Dictionary.

Oleo tends to mean oil and is associated with emulsions in medical terms.

In English "Oleomargarine" is a term for margarine once made with animal tallow, and later Palm oil which is similar to Coconut oil.

It would appear the if Dr. Budwig actually spelled it "oleolox" she was using chemical terminology which is rather fluid. However it may be a bad translation from what she wrote.

If we were reading it in German perhaps clues would tie it together.

Lorenzo

Best Regards, Lorenzo

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Dear Nancy,
I had chanced upon this link when I was doing some research on
vegetable juices.
I hope they would be useful for you.
http://www.earthportals.com/Portal_Net/juice.html
Best Regards,
David

since 4/2000 (no insurance). After much prayer and study leaned
toward healing it naturally, so have used various protocols.
in March was 6.7. On Oct 5, 2001 it was 12.1. It was around this
time that I started (or was into the second week of) MGN3. Had
ordered enough MGN3 for 8 weeks instead of 4. As I progressed, it
kept feeling like things weren't changing in a positive way so
insisted on another CEA blood test on 11/27. The markers had tripled
to 36.6. As far as my physical system is concerned, MGN3 did not
help in the least, and I wonder if it caused it to progress faster
than normal for some reason; altho I have no idea if that is true or
why it would be true. Thought you would want to know for your own
research.

Hi DG,
Your suffering explained in the below posting has been the experience of
many people. You are articulate enough to verbalize it, many are not. It is
sad but true that what you said in the posting is what is going on in the
Medical Profession in the USA. The public is slowly becoming more aware of
the horrendous suffering going on at the hands of the Stardard American
Chemotherapy practice. The number of visits to Alternative Practitioners is
skyrocketing because of this and now The Allopathic Community is beginning
to bring in the Compromise situation of Complementary-Alternative Medicine
(CAM).
I am sorry for the suffering your father went through. Only those whose
loved ones have met similar fates can fully understand your message, unless
they are well informed through study , or were exposed themselves to this
situation. Chemothery is experimental as far as I am concerned and the good
doctors (both MD,`s and PH.D.`s ) that you mention in the posting were on
the mark. (I read that The great Doctor Koch was hounded with law siuts and
in exasperation left for Brazil where he was followed, and, then later died
due to poison placed in his toothpaste. Also, You left out the
extraordinary work by done by the notable Dr. Royal Rife, Ph.D., reference
cancer cure by electronic vibrations. (See "The Cancer Cure That Worked", by
Barry Lynes.}
Hospitals are full of dying people due all sorts of reasons, often due to
poor nutrition and bad eating habits.Eliminating the basic cause is worth a
lot more than the cure. The misinformation about how to live a healthy
lifestyle and what to eat is rampart. Poor info leads to misery and
premature death. Allpopaths do not help in this area, because they have
restrictions on them in terms of traning (ignorance) and licensing
(threats). Their whole approach is synthetic drugs as you well point out.
Until people have the courage to explore and then use their alternative
knowledge on themselves, this situation will not change. Medical doctors are
good sales people, but poorly trained, except for using scare tactics.
Ignorance usually takes over from there. Salespeople who are well trained
and honest give both sides of the picture. That will never happen with
Chemothery advocates.
Simply put. your posting will be read by many but most will not comment
because the subject is too frightening or too unbelievable. Many on the
Flaxseed Oil list, however, know what you are talking about and are on this
list because something drove them to find out more than what`s going on in
the "Allopathic Jungle"
.
Keep up your postings but also your spirits. All the best for the New Year.
Good luck and good health , Mike Cinelli
================================================================

Budwig's ideas, and can apply them together with whatever else they
have to offer the cancer patient.<<
You are probably right but one must keep in mind that Dr.Budwig's
protocol is a fine-tuned workable and highly successful solution for
cancer.
To include other healing methods or components thereof, requires a
good understanding, by the practitioner and/or by the individual, of
Dr.Budwig's method and aims. It must not be in conflict with that.
One of the best examples of conflict being chemo therapy (which
would not be used by an 'alternative practitioner').
With that in mind, I think there can be room for some minor
modifications. For example enemas or colonic irrigations are in
order in most illnesses to assist in healing through
detoxification.
On the nutritional front I would feel comfortable with making the
greatest practical use of Dr. J. Kuhl's lactic acid fermented foods
diet, which Dr.Budwig has already adopted into her diet to some
extend.
Or making use of Dr. A. Ferenczi's beetroot diet. Here caution would
be in order, if the beetroots are not grown organically as all foods
should be eaten.
If not grown organically, i.e. if grown with artificial fertilizers,
beetroots can become quite high in nitrate wich would bring them in
conflict with the aims of the Budwig diet.
Wilhelm

Hi,
Dr. Budwig has over 1000 cases of folks who have recovered. I do not have
them but this is so stated in advertisements for books concerning her
efforts.
I have seen a lot of them myself and you can check some of them by going to
www.beckwithfamily.com and reading it.
I could put a lot of them back on the list as time permits and those of you
who have seen them could delete them. It doesn't take but a second.
I hear of things constantly that are looking up.
Recently I became somewhat acquainted with a woman who has very serious
breast cancer. She was told some time ago that it was stage 4.
She had had a mastectomy on one side some time back and is scheduled for the
other side Jan 19. She has been very ill and unable to get around.
Two or three months ago she started flax oil and cottage cheese. She is
also on chemo for this and other medicines for another type of cancer.
She called me this afternoon. She has just heard of side effects that may
come from this surgery etc. She has talked to the doctor about what it is
like to die.
However, she is feeling a lot better now and if anyone thinks the chemo is
doing it I would like to meet them. I want to introduce them to an uncle of
mine who has some waterfront property in Florida that he will sell quite
reasonably.
She is having real second thoughts about the surgery and is going to see my
Oncologist first. She is afraid to drop the chemo, but my oncologist is
open to flax oil and I am very much interested in the outcome.
The "negativity" comes from the feeling that some who come on the list
looking for encouragement or information on cancer may not find it and get
discouraged and leave without finding help.
I have stated often that anyone wishing to have documents concerning these
results that I have in my computer simply give me your address and I will
send them.
I have sent to a number of addresses. I don't want to do that on the whole
list as some might get upset with about 30 documents.
What I could do is put on a couple a day and start over when I get done.
Then folks could delete anything they have or do not want and the rest would
gradually have them. I may do that starting this evening.
I think there must be lots of things happening about which people do not
post.
Cliff

Here is an article about Milken's continued efforts:
http://www.businessweek.com/1999/99_19/b3628001.htm

Has it helped?
donna
In a message dated 1/4/02 4:47:42 PM, gabriela_88mx@... writes:
<<
Hi Dona:
I decided to take For Essence, it it well known, I do not know the other one.
Gaby

There are alternative practitioners, I'm sure, that are aware of Budwig's
ideas, and can apply them together with whatever else they have to offer the
cancer patient.
You can't put all orthodox doctors in one box. I continue to visit them for
various reasons, to obtain various tests and information, to take various
medications, which research reveals to be less toxic, and able to tide
someone over until they can apply more natural methods. I have heart
disease, and would be dead today, if it weren't for the emergency
interventions of conventional medical personnel. But, when it came to
"treatment," (i.e. surgery), I declined.

Nancy Lagerstedt wrote:
Re MGN3: My CEA (blood marker test usually used for colon cancer) in
March was 6.7. On Oct 5, 2001 it was 12.1. It was around this time
that I started (or was into the second week of) MGN3. Had ordered
enough MGN3 for 8 weeks instead of 4. As I progressed, it kept feeling
like things weren't changing in a positive way so insisted on another
CEA blood test on 11/27. The markers had tripled to 36.6. As far as
my physical system is concerned, MGN3 did not help in the least, and I
wonder if it caused it to progress faster than normal for some reason;
altho I have no idea if that is true or why it would be true. Thought
you would want to know for your own research.
Nancy,
This is very interesting. On another list for breast cancer, a person
said she thought that the successful studies for MGN3 were based on a
combination of 3 mushrooms. Then for economical reasons, the company
started using one mushroom, but still cited the studies for the 3
mushrooms. In her opinion, she thought MGN3 was more hype than help.
Your observation confirms her opinions.
Carolyn

Nancy,
What is MGN3?
Whatever it is, I'm sorry to hear it didn't work for you.
Joel

Hi Dona:

I decided to take For Essence, it it well known, I do not know the other one.

Gaby [INLINE]

dfnewman@... escribió:

Gaby What did you decide?
Thanks
donna
In a message dated 12/13/01 10:06:08 PM, gabriela_88mx@... writes:
<<
Hi Members:
Which is better C-Herb, or Flor Essence? I have just
money to buy one of them, so it is important for me to
know it.
Gaby.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:

Dear Group,

Brief bio: diagnosed colon cancer 3/2001 after having symptoms since 4/2000 (no insurance). After much prayer and study leaned toward healing it naturally, so have used various protocols.

Re MGN3: My CEA (blood marker test usually used for colon cancer) in March was 6.7. On Oct 5, 2001 it was 12.1. It was around this time that I started (or was into the second week of) MGN3. Had ordered enough MGN3 for 8 weeks instead of 4. As I progressed, it kept feeling like things weren't changing in a positive way so insisted on another CEA blood test on 11/27. The markers had tripled to 36.6. As far as my physical system is concerned, MGN3 did not help in the least, and I wonder if it caused it to progress faster than normal for some reason; altho I have no idea if that is true or why it would be true. Thought you would want to know for your own research.

May God bless each of us and help us to get well. Sincerely, Nancy (P.S. am sending this to both groups I'm on as an FYI)

Good idea, but one would have to go through red-tape to get him
the literature. One would need to get the correct address of this person to whom you wish to give the Flaxseed data to..Then hope someone will forward to him, or a secretary don't discard before he receives it..RED TAPE means screening out a legal system whereas someone can be found, and the data you want them to have will go directly to that person, with no questions asked. I have found certified letter are the best
source, because that person has to sign to get the documents you send.

Now with all this WAR going on, RED TAPE will be more secure, and if this man works outside his home all postal will be checked as well. Also remember this..everyone in USA is suspicious of everyone now.

First you must locate this mans address, phone, or Fax, or E-Mail, and chances are he will have others doing his business work for him. This means RED TAPE to get through to them as well.

Years ago I had a President's wife talking to me..and through letters..we had to go through a lot of things before she was allowed to contact me again. She sneaked me a letter somehow getting around RED TAPE. I never questioned, but today I owe her another letter. And again I will have to be careful how I post-mark it.

Love Miz Judy

My subject ..............
Take 2 lbs normal, economy, unsalted, real butter.
Heat very slowly in a saucepan. First it will bubble and froth. Skim off
the froth, then the solids (casein & salt) will fall to the bottom and
stick to the sides.
After about 30 minutes you will get a toffee like aroma. The solids will
be dark brown.
It's fantastic, and knocks "drawn butter" into a cocked hat.
It fries well because it has a normal ish smoke point
If you mix in 50% veg oil you can store it at room temperature, it doesn't
go rancid, and it's ever ready for cooking.
In TCDJBP (The Classic Johanna Budwig Protocol) she doesn't allow butter
for the very ill.
You can get commercial Ghee, but it's a bit contrived/preserved and doesn't
have the right flavour.
If you use lactic (Northern European style) butter, you get a lactic taste!
Jeffrey
PS no doubt there will be some ticking off for going onto this subject ...
from the "older" members of this list.
dfnewman@... on 04/01/2002 19:01:24

But here's the "essence " of the "Classic Dr Johanna Budwig" Protocol ...
as far as one researcher (me) can ascertain.
The source is *The Oil Protein Diet Cookbook*. Dr Johanna Budwig, Apple
Publishing Co, ISBN 0-9694272-2-5.
3 DO'S (Apart from buying and reading the book).
*EAT*
Breakfast on *Meusli*. (See recipe below).
Lunch on steamed vegetables with *Spread* (See recipe below). Play up
rice/buckwheat/millet and play down potatoes. Also salad with
*Dressing* or *Mayo*. (See recipes below).
Dine on steamed vegetables with *Spread* (See recipe below). Play up
rice/buckwheat/millet and play down potatoes. Also salad with
*Dressing* or *Mayo* (See recipes below).
Snack on hard cheese and veg dippers (radish, celery, carrot sticks
etc)
when peckish.
Snack on nuts, especially walnuts and brazils.
"Enjoy" at least 100g of *Cream" each day as a drink/dip or whatever
takes your fancy.
*DRINK*
Home made freshly pressed vegetables and fruits all day.
A small glass of Kraut Juice (or buttermilk) morning and evening.
Drink wine at any time from mid-day onwards. Still or sparkling, but
avoid Sulphur Dioxide in the wine [not declared on labels] (So use organic
if possible).
*TAN*
Get in the sun as much as possible to activate the healing effects of
the flax seed oil. Don't use mineral oil based tanning lotions.
---
3 DON'TS
1. If you have cancer try and ... Avoid Chemo, Radiotherapy and surgery
if as this works against "The Classic Dr Johanna Budwig Protocol". The
Chemo & Radio stop the beneficial cellular effects of the oil. Surgery
tends to spread the problem.
2. Avoid butter and other spreads during the illness/recovery period.
Also avoid meat if you can. Avoid added sugar. Naturally occuring sugar
(e.g. honey/sucrose in fruit etc) is OK.
3. Avoid preservatives as these prevent the flax seed oil from
oxygenating the cells and the body. (Read the labels).
THE THREE *PRODUCTS*
*SPREAD* (Oleo-lox)
To be substituted for all fatty spreads, during the illness/recovery
period.
Can be made ahead of time and kept in the fridge.
250g Coconut Oil
1 x small onion - sliced
10 garlic cloves, peeled but left whole
125 ml freshly pressed flax seed oil - very cold.
Fry the onion gently in the coconut oil until slightly brown. (Approx 15
mins). Add the garlic and fry gently for a further 3 minutes. Strain the
hot mix into the very cold flax seed oil. Cover and keep in the fridge.
Use in place of butter and other fatty spreads.
Linomel (tm)
As a component of Muesli, or as a crunchy sprinkle.
The word Linomel (tm) refers to a process of grinding flax seeds through
honey coated rollers. It's is proprietary to Dr Johanna Budwig.
Make your own by freshly grinding 30ml (2 Tablespoons) in a coffee grinder
with a little honey. Dried Milk powder can be used to keep the product
from clumping. Use immediately as the oil in the crushed flax seeds loses
it's potency withink 10 minutes.
*MEUSLI*
2 X 15 ml spoons (2 Tablespoons) Cracked Flax Seeds. (Dr Johanna Budwig's
preferred
way of cracking is to use honey coated rollers to prevent oxidation) in
which case the product is referred to as Linomel (tm).
5 x 15 mls spoons (5 Tablespoons) rolled oats.
5 x 15 ml spoons (4 Tablespoons) fresh fruit.
1 helping *Cream* (See recipe).
1 x Tablespoon Honey.
Mix cracked flax seeds with oats, top with fruit and top this with *Cream"
and top this with honey. Eat for breakfast, or as a snack at any time.
*CREAM* (Flax Seed Oil/Protein Mix) The Essence of The Classic Dr Johanna
Budwig Protocol
Must always be made freshly for each meal/snack.
1 day's ration.
(There's a bit of debate here about whether you need to take this all at
once or can phase it throughout the day. Take less if you're light weight,
and more if you're heavier).
5 x 15 ml spoons freshly pressed flax seed oil. (Only use a good
supplier).
100g Dense Cultured Milk Protein e.g. Quark, cottage cheese, strained very
low fat yoghurt, very low fat cream cheese.
2 x 15 ml spoons (2 x Tablespoons) Milk
Blend the oil into the milk protein, add a little milk to get the desired
texture.
Use as you would thick cream. Add fruit and more milk to make a shake, or
add savoury things to make a dip/spread. Don't heat. If you don't like
the flavour of the flax seed oil your supply may be rancid, make sure it's
freshly pressed. And if you still don't like the flavour, then servit it
very cold ... cold kills taste!
Eat at least 1 helping per day. Step up to 3 helpings if you can. There
is no maximum!
*MAYO*
1 helping
Make fresh each time.
2 x 15 ml spoons (2 Tablespoons) freshly pressed flax seed oil (Only use a
good supplier).
2 x 15 mls spoons (2 Tablespoons) Dense Cultured Milk Prdotein e.g. Quark,
cottage cheese, strained very low fat yoghurt, very low fat cream cheese.
2 x 15 ml spoons (2 Tablespoons) freshly sqeezed lemon juice/lime juice or
cider vinegar.
Season with mustard/herbs/salt to taste.
*DRESSING*
1 helping
1 x 15 ml spoon (2 tablespoons) freshly pressed flax seed oil (Only use a
good supplier).
1 x 15 ml spoon (2 Tablespoons) Dense Cultured Milk Prdotein e.g. Quark,
cottage cheese, strained very low fat yoghurt, very low fat cream cheese.
1 x 15 ml spoon (2 Tablespoons) freshly sqeezed lemon juice/lime juice or
cider vinegar.
Thin with milk to get a dressing texture.
Season with mustard/herbs/salt.
JH 4/1/02 19:30
Extracted from available literature plus postings on the

Hi,
No newsletter.
Cliff

Is anyone familair with ghee butter?
Good /Bad?
thanks
donna
In a message dated 1/3/02 7:49:05 PM, lorenzo1@... writes:
<< When I first heard about Coconut Oil and searched the web there was a site
that explained that Margarine was originally made of just Coconut Oil.
Also one reported that French Fries used to be cooked in CNO.
Lorenzo

[INLINE] Do we have a news letter about Flaxseed oil? If so I've missed it, and also would like a copy.

Miz Judy

Gaby What did you decide?
Thanks
donna
In a message dated 12/13/01 10:06:08 PM, gabriela_88mx@... writes:
<<
Hi Members:
Which is better C-Herb, or Flor Essence? I have just
money to buy one of them, so it is important for me to
know it.
Gaby.

Hi,
One of the major problems with the professional people of whom John speaks
is that for the most part they are aware only of American research and are
unaware of the work of Dr. Budwig and what the Omega 3 can dol
As for conventional healers, they are the main reason people continue to die
of cancer.
If they were effective Larry wouldn't be in trouble.
Cliff

Recieved this and thought it might be of interest.
Dear Cliff,
You have been in my thoughts lately and I just wondered
how you are doing. It's been 18 months since my cancer
surgery and I am getting along very well. There has been
no sign of recurrence or spreading. Even so, I still eat my
cottage cheese and Barlean's Flax Oil.
Thanks so very much for all the help and support
you gave me.
Sincerely,
Jean Alexander
Maryville, TN

please send news letter about flax seed oil
Thanks
Wanda

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this opens as a simple graphics file. i.e. non executable, so no danger.

Greg I hate to keep asking questions that you probably already answered but
can you cook with safflower and coconut oil? I dont want to use the word fry
but my family likes breaded chicken, for example. I am using virgin olive oil
now
Thanks
Donna
In a message dated 1/3/02 11:24:59 PM, gowatson@... writes:
<<
CONCLUSIONS:
These data suggest that cholesterol synthesis is lower during diets rich in
coconut fat and safflower oil compared with
diets rich in butter and might be associated with lower production rates of
apoB-containing lipoproteins.

Serves 1 (Generous Portion)
COCKTAIL SAUCE
4 oz (100g) "Fresh Cheese" (Quark, Cottage Cheese, or Drained Low Fat
Yoghurt e.g. Greek)
2 x 15 ml spoons (2 Tbsp) good quality, freshly pressed flax seed oil.
1 x 5ml (1 tsp) spoon runny honey.
1 x 5ml spoon (1 tsp) tomato paste (puree)
1 x 5ml spoon (1tsp) teaspoon minced capers (optional)
1 x 5ml spoon (1 tsp) minced onion (optional)
Pinch salt
Pinch pepper
GARNISH
4 oz (100g) cooked & peeled shrimps
Blend the Cheese with the flax seed oil, honey, tomato, capers, onion, salt
and pepper, in a processor for 30 seconds. More if you're using cottage
cheese and it's granular.
Put into a serving dish and top with shrimps.
Great as a starter.
This dish will give you 2/3 of your daily recommended allowance of flax
seed oil. It is compliant with the "Classic Johanna Budwig Protocol".
See below:

Hi All,
Nice last line:
"These data suggest that cholesterol synthesis is lower during diets rich in
coconut fat and safflower oil compared with
diets rich in butter and might be associated with lower production rates of
apoB-containing lipoproteins."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9\
756121&dopt=Abstract
Eur J Clin Nutr 1998 Sep;52(9):650-4 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut
Effects of dietary coconut oil, butter and safflower oil on plasma lipids,
lipoproteins and lathosterol levels.
Cox C, Sutherland W, Mann J, de Jong S, Chisholm A, Skeaff M.
Department of Human Nutrition, University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand.
OBJECTIVE:
The aim of this present study was to determine plasma levels of lathosterol,
lipids, lipoproteins and apolipoproteins
during diets rich in butter, coconut fat and safflower oil.
DESIGN:
The study consisted of sequential six week periods of diets rich in butter,
coconut fat then safflower oil and
measurements were made at baseline and at week 4 in each diet period.
SUBJECTS:
Forty-one healthy Pacific island Polynesians living in New Zealand participated
in the trial.
INTERVENTIONS:
Subjects were supplied with some foods rich in the test fats and were given
detailed dietary advice which was reinforced
regularly.
RESULTS:
Plasma lathosterol concentration (P < 0.001), the ratio plasma
lathosterol/cholesterol (P=0.04), low density lipoprotein
(LDL) cholesterol (P<0.001) and apoB (P<0.001) levels were significantly
different among the diets and were
significantly lower during coconut and safflower oil diets compared with butter
diets. Plasma total cholesterol, HDL
cholesterol and apoA-levels were also significantly (P< or =0.001) different
among the diets and were not significantly
different between buffer and coconut diets.
CONCLUSIONS:
These data suggest that cholesterol synthesis is lower during diets rich in
coconut fat and safflower oil compared with
diets rich in butter and might be associated with lower production rates of
apoB-containing lipoproteins.
PMID: 9756121 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
========================
Good Health & Long Life,
Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au gowatson@...
USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/
PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi
DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe
Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe
KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe

Nomination and Selection of the Nobel Laureates
"1. Each year the respective committees send individual invitations to
thousands of scientists, members of academies and university professors in
numerous countries, asking them to nominate candidates for the Nobel Prizes
for the coming year. Those who are competent to submit nominations are
chosen in such a way that as many countries and universities as possible
will be represented."

Hi Melanie and all,

This bit of news below, posted in a cross group, will affect all of us if the foods, vitamins and supplements fall under the control of Codex Alimentarius which the Pharmaceutical/Chemical companies want to do. That is, they want all vitamins, minerals and supplements to be given only on a prescription basis. Food , too, will be labeled as to its safety( although the FDA is mandated to "protect" our food now. ). Flaxseed Oil is now considered a food. It would have to be labeled according to what the test results would be, if Codex Alimentarius is passed. But who would conduct such tests? Hmmmm.....By the way, Codex Alimentarius is another term for "Food Codification or classification).

The Members of the European Union, led by Germany, are trying all sorts of ploys to get their way.This has been going on for years. The Food Processors and Pharmaceutical/Chemical Cartel are what Dr. Johanna Budwig warned us about 50 years ago. Propheted? Yes, then, but today anyone with some common sense can see what these groups want...it`s all for themselves and the crumbs for others. Marie Antoinette said it best prior to the French Revolution, "Let them eat cake", a statement for which she lost her head, literally and figuritively speaking.

This posting comes from a cross list. If you do not like its subject or contents, please delete now. I apologize if what is mentioned is disconcerting, but I feel it is germaine to our discussions and it is exactly what the USA Congress voted against in 1994.Then Congress opted for freedom of choice and "No Control by prescription". Now the proponents of "Vitamins by Prescription," are using the European Union, and the United Nations, to circumvent that wise decision and override it via Codex Alementarius. Unfortunately, the US Delegates to that body are following the "party line" of the Pharaceutical/Chemical Cartel, and the views of the FDA, which are diametrically opposite of what Congress passed into law back in 1994! Why is the FDA not in "Contempt of Congress?" Why are they not accused of criminal action? They are going against US Law. Is this criminal action, or is it civil action? Whatever it is , it is ludicrous to think that a Federal Government Agency is more
powerful than the USA Congress or the law of the land! This is another example of the power that the Food Processors, Pharmaceutical/Chemical Cartel has over our own lives. What is being done against this, if anything? Your views are appreciated. Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli

P.S. I am in no way connected to this movement except to make my voice heard for me, my family, and my desire for freedom of choice. Dr. Mattheis Rath, ( M.D., Ph.D.) , a collaborating colleague of Dr. Linus Pauling, is carrying on the work of Dr. Linus Pauling, against heart disease, cancer and other diseases. He is a very good man and may have been concentrating only on the immediate danger of the November 2001 Codex vote, and not aware of the longer term dangers being implemented by crafty Codex advocates at the same meeting.

If there is to be any labeling let it be for Genetically Engineered foods and not for items which are healthy and needed, like food, vitamins, minerals and suplements. We must protect ourselves, our families and fellow humans against the dictators within our own countries. They should not have their way without restriction or with impunity. There is no "fence sitting" on this ssue.Thanks, and good health to all, Mike Cinelli

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Vitamin C is helpful for Cancer, AIDS, and heart diseases.
http://www.doctoryourself.com/vitamins_aids.html
But we may not be able to buy high doses if Germany's Codex wins
this month. See below.

VCNO..can't wait here to try this one..Thanks now for us to find the VCNO ingredients. Miz Judy

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pursla6b Portulaca Oleracea

This is an ongoing, and serious problem. I'm not sure, in what way, Dr.
Rath provided us with "erroneous" information. Surely, if anyone knows
what's going on with this Codex problem, Rath knows.
Let us know of any e-sites where we can get involved in stopping this greed
and arrogance driven intrusion on our freedoms.
John P.

Just a short note about "sweet" carrots. . . .

We had an excellent garden on our farm, near
Courtland, MN when I was a child, with exceptionally
sweet carrots. My mother made sure of that, because
she said, "If you don't water carrots enough while
they're growing, you'll harvest 'bitter' carrots.
If you water them deligently, you'll harvest 'sweet'
carrots." I believed her, and gladly carried
watering-can after watering-can of water to
those carrots! (Of course, I had "sibling"
help. . . . : - )

Warm regards,
Esther

Then is lamb Quarter the same as Purslane? I don't think so. And I wonder if we could dabble flaxseed oil over this when after cooking into a pot of greens..We;d have to let it nearly cool to lukewarm, so not to ruin the oil. But We lime everything in the gardens and we always have had great luck. Even the flowers many do much better with the sweet lime early spring and late fall. In fact Randy mentioned putting some on now to help the early spring plants that will be pushing up her in March and April. Yippee! two more nasty cold months and by end of March we may see a warming tread her on this Bethlehem hill. Miz Judy and Mr.Mel Lambs Quarter grown in Seattle without lime is sweet and tasty, lime it and it is bitter. It grows wild in Wyoming and is bitter, we eat only the tops when it first comes up. Carrots grown near the Oregon Seashore are very sweet, probably tastier than any in the store that you have ever eaten.Best Regards, Lorenzo

This is NOT about flax oil.
melanie

Then is lamb Quarter the same as Purslane? I don't think so. And I wonder if we could dabble flaxseed oil over this when after cooking into a pot of greens..We;d have to let it nearly cool to lukewarm, so not to ruin the oil.

But We lime everything in the gardens and we always have had great luck. Even the flowers many do much better with the sweet lime early spring and late fall. In fact Randy mentioned putting some on now to help the early spring plants that will be pushing up her in March and April. Yippee! two more nasty cold months and by end of March we may see a warming tread her on this Bethlehem hill. Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

Lambs Quarter grown in Seattle without lime is sweet and tasty, lime it and it is bitter. It grows wild in Wyoming and is bitter, we eat only the tops when it first comes up.

Carrots grown near the Oregon Seashore are very sweet, probably tastier than any in the store that you have ever eaten.
Best Regards, Lorenzo

Yes Esther, Whey can also be added to soups, and to marinate meats in, and casseroles. We used it all the time on the farm and what we didn't eat, the hog's loved it. So did the dogs wehn we mixed it into their dry dog foods.

Dear Esther..I've learned that we can't please everyone. But try the best we can. And I for one have been missing hearing from you.

Thanks for your Christmas message, Cynthia. I was
happy to receive it. (Now, if "I" would've sent that
message, I'd have been pounced on by umpteen people,
because I'd mentioned "Christ" on this group.) . . .
Go figure. . . .

Love & Best Wishes!
Esther

Is this all you need? Okay send at least a quarter of that this way.And I will gladly travel to and fro. But I know you and Mary Anna will need to tag along. Just make room for Mr. Mel.

I wouldn't accept anything less that $100,000,000.00
All I am doing is muddling along and learning. I learned some more from
Greg today.
Cliff

Coconut Oil/Butter is a great alternative to margarine and an
excellent substitute for butter for sauteing and baking. Coconut
Butter is high in omega-9 and 6 EFAs. You can make an excellent
coconut butter flax oil spread by combining:
1 cup (240 ml) Coconut Butter
1/2 cup (120 ml) Flax Seed Oil or Garlic-Chili Flax Seed Oil
Place Flax Seed Oil in the freezer for at least two hours. Melt the
Coconut Butter at a low temperature. Remove from heat and add the
frozen Flax Seed Oil. Blend and keep in the refrigerator for up to
six weeks. Store in opaque container to prolong life. Not for cooking
or baking. Great to spread on toast, vegetables, crackers, bagels
For more information on coconut oil see this article:
http://www.omeganutrition.com/articles/coconutoil.htm
Nicole

Yes please everyone print in size 12 for us that have a time with our eye-sight. I know there are some people that can't read 20/20 and like a few have to have a magnify glass. If you must print and don't have a BOLD Icon, then print in size 14 ..

Arial is usually a good one to use. Here is 8 just to small
Now lets jump to 10 not much better.. 12 see is a little better and 14 Wow! what a difference.

Sometimes I forget..and I'm as guilty as heck! I love my stationary..and find some can't read the bright backgrounds, and RED is no help. Colored blindness is no fun either. Or some of you can't get anything in with pretty colors..so it comes in black and white anyway we send it. I have my settings to do many things. But some of you tell me your just using plan-print. And I do not write out of Outlook Express..I've been using IncrediMail Xe, for weeks. But had one lady tell me she gets four of the same letter in Alaska..Then maybe she isn't got her computer set right ?? As I have no idea what anyone else is receiving from me. I questioned several people in private letters and they are having no problems with getting my mail.

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Miz Judy and Mr.Mel

http://home.talkcity.com/memoryln/mizjudy1/
Nashville Genealogy
http://home.talkcity.com/inspirationAv/bibble2/
Bereavement of a :Lost Love One
http://home.talkcity.com/healingway/challengejudy/
My Cancer Challenge Ordeal
http://home.talkcity.com/RainbowCt/spinner1939/
Prophecy of End times..

I agree, how can we do it?

Melanie

We've been told it has plastic in it. And a Doctor told us NEVER to eat it either.But to stay with REAL butter. So we have for many years. Also watch the grated cheese you buy in a can..or etc..it now has added cellulose.Now I have no idea if in the cheese if this is harmful or not..but I read the dictionary..and it comes from plant cells: the woody part of trees, plants, wood, cotton, flax,. and hemp/so maybe it won't kill us to quickly. Not long ago we were searching cereal contents and it contained sawdust. So we stopped buying that kind, and went back to eating oats. And now we grate our own cheeses to be as safe.

Miz Judy and Me. Mel

Until 10 or 20 years ago (sorry to be vague) Margarine was based on
hydrogenated vegetable oil ... but more recently it's not. It seems to be
veg oil solidified by some other means. I think that sometimes gelatine is
used.

The recommended EFA supplementation is 1 tsp. of flaxseed oil per day
for every 35 lbs. of body weight. e.g. a person weighing between 105
and 139 lbs. should consume up to 4 tsp of flaxseed oil per day to
achieve and maintain optimal health. As far as, how you take it if
all at once or throughout the day no studies have confirmed it so it
is something you can decide, but the general note around our office
is throughout the day.
Nicole Syme
Omega Nutrition

Mmmmmmmmmmm
Notice it's not me that started this off-topic thread ... but naturopath's
in the UK are very fond of prescribing fasting. Asian-Indian's too.
How does this map over what's being said here?
Jeffrey
"Miz Judy & Mel" <mrjau@...

Wow! we'd all like that one wouldn't we? Jeffery ( or Judy whomever you are )
So how about a huge financial prize, in order to spread the word?
Just a thought. This is a good thought. Collection plate being passed by anyone.Then we could divide the content with everyone wanting to do more to help others. CLIFF don't get to greedy here now. Ha.Ha. and a heeee.

Miz Judy and Mr. Mel

Cliff, here's my thought.
When people get better with the classic Budwig Protocol, could they get
together a group of cancer sufferers and "give testimony" as to their
results.
Then if/when others follow suit, there would be enough data to make a good
analysis.
Jeffrey
"Cliff Beckwith" <spinner@...

Can't agree with you more Cliff.
Well documented quantitative trials.
Jeffrey
"Cliff Beckwith" <spinner@...

I was always told from a child up-that when one is sick you still have to eat to get the cells in working order. That if you don't eat your body gets weaker and it can not function properly..and the brain also will stop working, when you are to weak you can't think right. We were always given extra vitamins and proteins; First we was started out on a broth ( soup ) with nothing but a little fat added, with salt. Salt was a must, if not taken to much at a time. Then we were later given juice of fruits..and gradually got from tea-to milk and honey. We were never given solid foods until we knew we could sit up and the body was all in functions. Also we were given stomach cleaners..and that darn walnut tenures to rid of any parasites.

But as a child I learned that the body has to be well cared for..like a car we sometimes need an overhaul. And in order to know when the body is in need we begin to feel sluggish.Sometimes when we get a slight cold that is when we know something is not functioning as it should. We were told to get into the bathtub, while the tea-waters was being poured over us.And then after we dried we were sent to a bed,preheated with heavy bricks that had been placed into a fire-to keep warm. Mel's mother always done this for me when I felt sick. Then rubbed me down in oils. I think she used olive oils..mixed in lotions. Then if I had a fever, I got a sponge bath with vinegar-and oil.

Mel's father was one that believed in juices..he would make you drink juice and water like it was going out of style.We could float inside the stomach a sailboat. But I sweared to him their was two huge voyage ships in there.

Then after the cold was gone, we were to keep inside the house another couple days. And begin to eat solid foods..mashed at first. All vegetables had to me crushed before eating. And no meats until day three.

Miz Judy and Mr. Mel

HI,
The night before last I watched a TV program which, among other things,
showed diagrams of a person's lung and told about a new method of detecting
lung cancer at a very early stage and possibly making treatment more
effective.
The speaker said that lung cancer was one of the worst forms of cancer with
only 8% survival. I imagine that he meant that 92% of lung cancer patients
would die from the lung cancer.
The new method of detection would give hope for the future and was quite
newsworthy.
From what we have seen so far in just the situations of which I know the
FO/CC approach is far more effective than that. In fact, of the ones with
which I am familiar so far there are none that did not respond.
One situation is in the balance. This is a fast growing cancer that has had
no standard treatment [the person involved did not want that] and the use of
flax oil has stopped the growth of the tumor but the last I heard it had not
disappeared. She will no more in February. There has been definite
response to the FO/CC but time will tell whether or not it becomes complete.
If this were the result of scientific research through trials that were not
primarily done with anticipation of future profits it would be very
newsworthy.
Cliff

Thanks for your Christmas message, Cynthia. I was
happy to receive it. (Now, if "I" would've sent that
message, I'd have been pounced on by umpteen people,
because I'd mentioned "Christ" on this group.) . . .
Go figure. . . .

Love & Best Wishes!
Esther

Hi,
Today I paid my water bill. The clerk is a neighbor who lives 4 houses
away.
She looked kind of down and then she told me that she had had a mammogram.
It was suspicious and the doctor ordered a biopsy. There were cancer cells
present.
The immediate choice was a mastectomy or 45 chemo "treatments" plus
radiation.
She will be operated on at noon January 3 [tomorrow as I write this].
From what we have seen, if she began the use of FO/CC the situation would be
taken care of.
Of course, the mastectomy won't kill her and the FO/CC can still keep her
from having a recurrence.
A teacher in our shcool went trhough a similar thing around five years ago,
used the FO/CC for some time and is fine. That was a lumpectomy instead of
a mastectomy. If there is any sign of recurrence she will go back to it
immediately.
As long as folks are willing to listen to doctors without question when it
comes to cancer, situations like this will be the rule.
Cliff

Greg,
Thank you for the wealth of information here!
Joel

Hi,
For quite some time I have been led to believe that the destruction by free
radicles is a major cause of aging and deterioration. I have seen things
which seemed to support that idea.
I have read of the benefits of getting the body oxygenated to fight cancer
and I believe that.
A study of "Folk Medecine in Vermont" [I have forgotten the author. I know
he is now dead] leave no doubt that the animals prefer food that is acidic.
Even the deer would eat vegation that is acid and leave the leaves of trees
that are alkiline in reaction alone.
That discussion gives some ideas.
I would get the idea that if one has cancer, eat very little and the cancer
disappears. I seem to see the opposite. As cancer gets in later stages, I
understand that cancer cells produce an enzyme that kills the appetite and
cancer actually causes death by starvation.
These theories are a little beyond my tired brain.
I know that with the use of FO/ CC the cancer cells die and disappear. I
don't know exactly why. As long as it works that is a secondary worry to
me. As long as the FO/CC is properly used, the patient lives a normal life.
If things get out of balance, or the FO/CC is ended, the cancer will recur.
We have seen seven deaths that I know of where the FO/CC was ended, the
cancer recurred, and the patients figured the cancer hadn't cured them and
didn't use it again.
What I am wondering is why somebody doesn't get a hundred volunteers and
however the cancer is treated, or whatever other approach is used, let half
eat normally and half just enough to function and see how the two groups
compare.
If cutting food and using chemo got permanent remissions in over 98% of the
patients I would say that would be the way to go.
Cliff

Lambs Quarter grown in Seattle without lime is sweet and tasty, lime it and it is bitter. It grows wild in Wyoming and is bitter, we eat only the tops when it first comes up.

Carrots grown near the Oregon Seashore are very sweet, probably tastier than any in the store that you have ever eaten.

Best Regards, Lorenzo

If you have pain -Join the CaveManFood list and eat like our ancestors.

Hi,
I noticed in one post that it was mentioned that chemo would kill the cancer
cells the body would recover and go on. The implication being that one
would get well, I think.
I tried to pull the website as I wanted to see what kind of Allopathic
research came up with that. I have begun to wonder if this is not standard
medicine theory which has not succeeded with cancer.
The first account of chemo that I read and began to learn of how these
things work was in Al Carter's book in the chapter entitled Cancer
Treatments past and present. The book is entitled "The Cancer Answer".
I will put a document here that is interesting to me.
***TVA
In the summer of 1993 a man stopped in from Chattanooga. When he retired he
was second in charge of all the TVA power plants. He had lost his wife the
year before in a cancer treatment complex in Illinois. Before she died she
was talking to the head doctor of the whole establishment. She asked him
whether he could foresee any hope for people in her condition. He replied,
"I'll be frank with you. No! In our society the biggest income producers
are the energy companies. The second biggest income producer is cancer and
if we were to announce today that we had a cure for cancer it would cause
the biggest depression America has ever seen. Our leaders will not let that
happen!"
In his book, "The Cancer Answer", Al carter says that, directly or
indirectly, there are more people making a living on cancer than there are
people who have it. The new toll free number for Al Carter's book, and an
excellent video tape on Cancer entitled "The Immune System" is
1-888-464-5867. The cost for both, delivered, is $36.95.
Two years ago a friend of my son's told him that he had heard a news
broadcast that told of a study just completed at Johns Hopkins that
concluded that of people who die of cancer half die of cancer and half die
of chemo and that chemo actually helps only two or three per cent of those
taking it. That report was buried immediately.
My son has put a more complete and detailed account of the tape on a
personal web page on the internet. We will not update the tape again, but
we will update the web page account as needed.
It is true that chemo kills cancer cells. It does not kill all of them.
There are always a small percentage that can survive that particular chemo.
The patient's body does recover somewhat and we have remission. How long
this lasts is determined by how aggressive the particular cancer is.
The cancer is not stopped. The cancer cells that are not killed continue to
develop and in some length of time the tumor is again present. I had one
message this evening that contained a good example of that kind of
situation.
Now a new chemo must be used as the tumor is not responsive to the first
chemo. The cycle continues. It may go into remission and recur several
times, each time needing a different chemo. Each time a little more of the
body is destroyed. The time comes when nothing is effective and the patient
dies.
My Oncologist informed me that no doctor believes that cancer is ever cured.
We just try to stay ahead of it as long as possible.
I have a personal theory of the origin of chemo and it isn't Heaven. I may
be too cynical. It does help the salesmen selling Mercedes to doctors.
I am going to attatch one more example here which illustrates the point.
Cliff
This originally came from a friend of mine.
Betsy is a friend of ours, in her 70s I suppose. She has multiple myeloma, a
very deadly kind of bone cancer, and is being treated by the same
oncologist I go to.
We saw Betsy a couple weeks ago. She's bright eyed and bushy tailed...her
old self. She mentioned that Dr. had recently told her she was his
"miracle patient".
This spring I had heard about Betsy's situation. It was greatly different
from what it is today. She was extremely sick and unable to eat. She could
only lie in bed and was just wasting away. Her husband, Don, thought she was
dying. He may have been right. It had taken a long time for her doctors to
diagnose an obviously deteriorating health condition as multiple myeloma, so
that it was quite an advanced case before she was referred to Dr.-------,
as I understand it. I believe she had recently been started on chemotherapy
by -------- a little before I learned what was happening. But no matter how
good
his treatment might have been, if she couldn't eat she wasn't going to get
better.
I went down to --------- and bought a pint of Barlean's lignan rich flaxseed
oil, some low-fat cottage cheese, a pineapple and some honey, and took it
over to Don.
Don made Betsy a smoothie, using some of the pineapple to cover the taste of
the oil. A little later I learned that Betsy had called the smoothie
"delicious food". She could eat it! Later still, I heard that Betsy likes
tuna fish in her flaxseed oil and cottage cheese smoothies, instead of the
pineapple. You can use anything in the smoothies to make them taste good to
you. In the meantime, Don had ordered some of the oil direct from Barlean's.
If you're a cancer patient it's sold to you at wholesale and costs about
half as much as at

path as very little commercial food will be considered Paleo.

And I would not eat much of what I see People buy at the Supermarket.

Completely Paleo eating is very expensive. But one can use the principles to good effect. Looking for local suppliers of natural foods, etc.

Lorenzo

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Meat was not bad until now!

People with Cancer should in my opinion take the FSO/CC mix.

If they follow up on Dr. Budwig's writings they will find that she recommends nutritious foods except for meat. If you follow her diet fine. She started writing just at the time that meat was found devoid of the Omega 3 EFA's that she recommends that we eat.

However for those who are here more to avoid Cancer than to defeat one they already have; I suggest that reading the Paleo or Cave Man research is worthwhile and enlightening about meat. The contention is that our ancestors ate an awful lot of meat and all the fat they could get off the wild animals.

Present day meat in the markets is not so good as the animals are fattened on an unnatural food for them- grain. In the wild, wild cattle got to eat very little grain. the animals now raised and fattened on grain have way too much Omega 6 in their fat.

But if you have time to read; go read at www.panix.com/~paleodiet/ and find that we ate a lot of meat before farming and never were vegetarians.

Cancer is obviously a disease of malnutrition- we were not evolved to eat the present grain and sugar laden diet.

I bring this up after I see several post where meat is included with the bad foods. Also the fat data from the 1950's has been superceded. Now Vegetable oil is bad, except for Coconut and Palm oil which our ancestors ate. Our Ancestors had no vegetable oil until farming brought Olive Oil and then Industry brought us the other "cooking" oils during the last 75 years.

The trouble is we developed over millions of years; But today most of us eat altered and synthetic food developed during the last hundred years.

www.panix.com/~paleodiet/ is a list of reports that lead to many articles about food eaten before farming.

Lorenzo

Example
all of my time consuming every healthy food I could
get my hands on; ie mainly fresh veggies with a
limited amt of fruits due to sugar content; No meats
or dairy other than then daily FSO/CC; none of the
"white foods".

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A search turns up many sources for the seeds, The Question is which seed is from Turkey or Crete where Purslane tastes good and has the strong reputation for Omega 3.

This darn incredimail is hard to delete at the bottom so I can clean this up better! I got rid it now by deleting below it.

Best Regards, Lorenzo

Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Purslane

Does anyone know how to obtain Purslane seed? Can the plant be started with a "cutting?" I haven't seen purslane for sale these days.

John P.

: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Purslane

Thanks Pigweed gives me the clue I so needed..you are a blessing..Now I need pitures to keep in my wild-flowers and plant section, for my cookbook.
Miz Judy

Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Purslane

In az. its mostly called pigweed also. grew wild when it could get water.
Used it in salads, liked it, kids didn't. But their was few salad things
they did like. At times it covered the ground in large areas.

I still say HATS OFF TO YOU, Cliff, and God Bless you!
Always,
Melanie

Greg,
This seems so contradictory to all I have learned re:
fighting cancer- your posts have been very helpful and
this has taken me a little by surprise. I have spent
all of my time consuming every healthy food I could
get my hands on; ie mainly fresh veggies with a
limited amt of fruits due to sugar content; No meats
or dairy other than then daily FSO/CC; none of the
"white foods". I've taken megadoses of some
antioxidants and made sure I've had them all- this has
always been a sticking point with me but I've based my
protocol on the research of Dr. David Gregg at
www.krysalis-sparx.com/cancer.htm- he has made a very
convincing argument as well that making the cancer
cell healthier through oxygenation will allow it to
die a normal cell death (very simplistic explanation)
He has some convincing information to back his theory.
I have to say I've never felt better physically
however I sure don't want to do anything to make the
ca stronger and more prolific and there has been no
decrease in cancer activity- has this been counter
productive to the FSO/CC protocol?- I initially
believed the two were very compatible as Dr Budwig's
work seemed to address the restarting of the Krebs
cycle as well.
Are you proposing a diet consisting of mainly flax and
fish? John posed a very good idea of compiling a short
list of the foods beneficial in fighting ca- is this
something you would be willing to do? any input will
be greatly appreciated.
lynn

This is a good post by Greg!
Hi All,
Myths":
http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm
Best Regards, Lorenzo
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Folks,
I appreciate the kind words.
All I am doing is muddling along making mistakes, seeing a lot of results
from Dr. Budwig's work and trying to learn.
If it were not for my cousin Rich, who is on this list but does not post,
being willing to finance this whole deal, and for Dr. Jim Basile who set it
up orignially, it would never have developed at all.
I appreciate the friends and those who have gotten better through the
contacts but any credit belongs to The Lord.
I feel He has led it all the way. We never had any idea of something like
this originally.
I have done nothing accept being "pushy" at times and hating to see people
die when it is not necessary.
Cliff

Hi Jeffery, Miz Judy, Mel and all,
Before we rush into something on an emotional or adimiring plane basis, it
is good to check out the ground rules. Cliff would agree with that. The
Nobel Prize selection process may have different rules from what we believe
they are or should be. (See below)..
Also, keep in mind that Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated repeatedly
but has never received the prize. Perhaps the following from the
Encyclopedia Britannia 1997 edition might shed some light on the process
,etc., with how and who can be nominated. Sorry if this sounds like a damper
but I greatly respect Cliff and would not like to see his name or reputation
attached to something that can`t fly. Of course, I may be off course on
this, and I would be the first to congratuate him for the Nobel Prize or for
any award, like an Humanitarian award, etc. Please read my message in the
correct light, and let`s flood Cliff with letters as Miz Judy suggests or
find an award framework where Cliff can be recognized within the parameters
of the award.
Thanks, Cliff, for the super outstanding work and direction you have been
giving everyone for years by your courage, foresight and great understanding
of human nature and what it needs. God Bless you and your whole (immmediate
and extended) family, for now and many years to come, With Fondest Regards
and Admiration, Mike Cinelli
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