Flax Seeds

Hey thanks Carolyn.
I've had many such mails (privately) and I'm encouraged.
Jeffrey
"Carolyn J. Kreibich" <kreibich@...

I'm within 5 hours of Budwig's office:
I'm in London and she's in Bavaria.
Carolyn ... I want to get together a list of questions we might ask her.
One of them would be:
How might we get the books translated.
A thought that I had (in the shower naturally) was to scan in the books,
plus the other work, and then put it through a Web translator.
Then .... we might run into copyright problems ... then we'd discover
whether the literature is there to be disseminated (sp?) or concealed.
How might we get the knowledge into the public domain?
Also how might we capitalise on the "functional food" trend. I see fso as
similar to Benecol ... the "functional food" added to bread to improve
blood fat.
Functional foods, as a concept, didn't really exist in Johanna Budwig's
heyday ... so her only on ramp would have been scientific journals etc.
Also I think it can be seeped in as folk law. In a similar way that some
women know now that urinary infections can be helped/cured with cranberry
juice.
Or ... in the same way that exercise is now a thing which people do, hotels
have gyms etc, whereas previously it was only for weirdo's/sports fanatics.
Even without scientific proof that it does much good? And some evidence
that it does harm?
These things can and do change.
Jeffrey.
"Carolyn J. Kreibich" <kreibich@...

This is a sore spot for many people. Dairy, of any kind, is viewed as unfit
for human consumption, by many alternative health practitioners. In fact,
the low opinion held of dairy foods, is near universal among natural healers
and doctors.
That doesn't mean, that I wouldn't be willing to use small quantities of
low/non-fat CC as a base for FO, if the evidence of its necessity in the
mix, is clear and compelling. But, so far, the "evidence" for its use here,
is shaky.

"Doctor Budwig has had American doctors observe her work and try to get an
agreement to take it back to the states with exclusive rights to use it and
make a lot of money."

This sounds like a standard urban legend to me. "try to get an
agreement to take it back to the states with exclusive rights to use it and make a lot of money." How could Dr. Budwig stop an American Dr. from using Flaxseed Oil and Cottage Cheese? How could one Americn Dr. expect to prevent others from using Dr. Budwig's methods. Is the method not in use in Mexico and Spain. Have those clinics made a lot of money? There is no way to patent an idea or a commonly known method.

When we say a lot of money; Do we mean what Dr. Atkins earns from his book? Or the salary the average Dr. earns? Or are we confusing it with what the big Pharmaceuticals make? If an American Dr. could/would make a lot of money with the method? Has Dr. Budwig made a lot of money? If not why not? I think the conventional wisdom does not yet accept malnutrition as a cause of Cancer therefore no one and no Dr. can make any "EXTRA" money off of Dr. Budwig's methods. The sales of Vitamin C have skyrocketed since Dr. Pauling studied it but no one that I can name has made "a lot of money" off of Vitamin C.

Now the awareness of Omega 3 is blooming so more people will be willing to accept Flaxseed oil and Cottage Cheese because it fits in with what else they are learning so we may expect its use to increase; still will some Dr. that starts to use it "make a lot of money" because of it?

I think it is a hollow argument that should be allowed to go away.

Now the nominations for a Nobel Prize are totally different. Since I can Nominate Cliff for a Nobel Prize as soon as I can find a stamp and the address of the Nobel Committee; Anonymous nominations mean little; But if we can find some Universities and Health Associations in Europe who have nominated Dr. Budwig we will be on solid footing. We will not have to ask the Nobel Committee and it should silence those who say anyone can be nominated by anyone which will still be true but nominations made public by "Authorities" carry weight.

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Jeffrey,

Dear all,
Most "recipes" about the Budwig Mix uses 1 spoonful of
flaxseed oil with 1 cup of cottage cheese. (I hope I
am correct on this)
May I know exactly how much is 1 cupful of CC?
Can anyone help me by giving me an estimate of how
many tablespoonfuls of CC would be equivalent to one
cupful of CC (for Budwig recipe)?
Also, for treatment of cancer, how should the mix be
adjusted - Should we increase the number of intakes of
the above mix each day? Or should we add more flaxseed
oil? Or CC?
Thanks and Happy New Year.
Sincerely
David

Yeah, purslane adds to our health, IF YOU CAN FIND IT.

Hi,
Forgive me for false impressions. I had he wrong mindset.
We definitely need doctors to deliver babies, set broken bones, make
diagnosis, treat infections and illnesses, blood clots etc. etc.
On this list I am thinking in terms of cancer primarily. Flax Oil is good
for other things as well, such as macular degeneration, cataracts, etc. We
are seeing this and hearing of this now.
About four years ago a lady came to our door. She had heard of our tape and
her brother in a neighboring town had serious cancer in his head and chest.
He seemed to be destined for but a short time in this pale of existence.
He began the use of flax oil and used it correctly, with the cottage cheese.
In about three months he had another doctors appointment and was quite
improved. In another three months he had another checkup and there was
nothing left that warrented more chemo though the doctor wanted to do it.
He did fine for about a year. The doctor said that the flax oil must be
doing the job.
However, he hated cottage cheese so now he quit using it. He simply kept a
bottle of Flax oil in his mother's fridge and when he went to see her in the
evening he would take a couple of swigs. He lived alone.
This does not work and in due time the cancer was again active. The doctor
told him that the flaxseed oil had not done the job and got him back on the
chemo. Wayne trusted the doctor implicitly. As time went on he began to go
downhill again.
His sister got him to go to the Oncologist I see for a second opinion. She
is open to the flax oil though she normally practices standard medicine.
She needed to get the records. She showed me the copy of the original
diagnosis.
The doctor had written, "This kind of cancer does not respond well to
chemotherapy." Three guesses as to what he did and the second two won't be
needed.
If I were to see a doctor who insisted on treating my cancer with methods he
or she knows are not effective I would need to have my head examined if I
found out and contiuned to see him or her. If that doctor said my head was
OK he should have his head examined.
Wayne still trusted this doctor.
When the cancer continued to spread he was devestated. He couldn't
understand how the cancer returned when he had taken all that chemo.
By now he can't swallow. He has a feeding tube. He is off chemo and athe
family is putting FO/CC down the feeding tube. He is living longer than
expected.
His mother now has cancer as well and she is going with the chemo.
When Dr. Budwig's approach is so successful and we still choose to follow
standard methods it makes me wonder a little.
Doctor Budwig has had American doctors observe her work and try to get an
agreement to take it back to the states with exclusive rights to use it and
make a lot of money.
She has shared as much as possible. Most will not listen. The food
industry and standard medical people want no part of her methods. It would
kill them financially.
From what I have seen alone I believe she has the answers.
Our folks want to keep the standard treatments ahd have folks contiune to
dutifully die when the chemos etc. lose their effectiveness as they do.
Cliff

Caution! This is a cheesy topic, some may want to tune out.
Quark and cottage cheese are very important in the Budwig diet and
it is so often misunderstood that I make no apologies for bringing
it up again. In any case I have an obligation to do so. However
apologies of a different kind are in order and I will come to that.
Vivian,
I made my first batch of quark and it turns out that regarding the
milk to quark ratio you were in the right ballpark - I was
wrong.
I am really upset with the websites (and there are several) that put
out such misleading information. All I can say is that I acted
in good faith and that I was misled. Sorry...
Here are the details for those that are interested:
I started out with 907 gram (2lbs) of 0.3% plain organic yogurt.
I thought I had 1 liter (Canada is metric) and did not check volume.
Only later when I was puzzled, about quantity/weight did I notice
that it was 907 grams and not 1 liter.
It turned out that the milk solids are consideralbly heavier than
the whey.
Jeffrey are you listening?
Milk solids are almost 1.3 times the weight of whey as close as
I could determine with my rudimentary kitchen measurement devices.
After 12 hours of draining I got approx.:
By weight: 440 gr - or milk to quark ratio a bit higher than 2:1
By Volume: 340 ml - or milk to quark ratio a bit lower than 3:1
More gravity draining would not have made much of a difference.
Pressure, i.e. wringing the cheese cloth would have forced more whey
out. I tried for a few seconds, but did not want to go with it in
this test.
Comparison to the german buttermilk quark:
The milk solids concentration is close to it.
It has a more creamy (sticky) texture.
I find it more difficult to mix (with FSO) because of it's
stickyness, and it needs to be thinned.
It is more tart.
This was a preliminary test.
Unless my next test (to verify numbers) comes out quite different I
will not report on it so as not to upset anyone.
I intend to also try the buttermilk method and maybe the rennet
method.
For those that asked how much yogurt to use instead of quark or
CC., Cliff's word of 3 times as much yogurt is about right.
In the meantime Cliff, I think I have to follow your and Ann
Landers' example and go and beat myself with a wet noodle.
Wilhelm

Jeffrey,
I printed the nutritional analysis. Please help me put a few words with the
numbers:
Which of these is calories (energy), protein, carbohydrate, fat, weight,
and...?
Look at quark on your chart:
.2, 250g, 293kj (what is kj?), 70, 12.3, 4.1
Thanks,
Carolyn
kreibich@...

Hi,
We used to pull it out of the strawberry patch by the bushel when I was a
kid.
I ate some last year. It is very mild. It is a member of the portulaca
family. It gows along the ground and roots at every node. It has fleshy,
ovate leaves.
We could add to our health by eating it.
Cliff

Mike,
your post covers a lot of territory and pretty closely reflects my
way of thinking. So, obviously I think it is a great summarization.
Ditto for your post # 1952.
A couple of points I like to make:
The first is to correct a typo, and I do this only so that if
someone wants to search for more information on Dr.Enid they may
not get anywhere. The spelling is Dr.Enig.
The other point is regarding section 10:
those who can`t break away or do not wish to break away from their
beliefs), increased oxygen, a change in living style, the use of
Nature`s seeds with their energy and electron benefits, and the
valuable intake of sunshine (radiation) and how to get the most of
it, etc., are all important.<<
One other thing that Dr.Budwig sees as a very important element of
getting well again is (paraphrased) emotional balance and peace. She
goes so far as to say that if emotional turmoil is not corrected
even her diet may not work to regain health.
You may have covered it under "a change in living style" but I
thought it would be good to spell it out because it is a point that
is usually overlooked.
Wilhelm

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Carolyn,
good question.
You could start by asking Apple Publishing who looked after the
translation of the other two books I think, at least they are the
publishers.
In USA:
4936 Lake Terrell Road
Ferndale WA USA 98248
In Canada:
220 East 59th Avenue
Vancouver BC Canada V5X 1X9
Inquiries:
Tel: 1.604.214.6688
Fax: 1.604.214.3566
Email: books@...
Toll free In North America:
Tel: 1.800.668.2775
Fax: 1.800.893.1911
Who knows, if enough people are interested, they may be too. If
required you may get help from this list as far as emailing them is
concerned to express interest. I would...
In my case, I have 'Cancer, the Problem and the Solution' on order
in german, but I would be interested in the other two books. They
are hard to get. Actually, Dr.Budwig wrote several other books as
well. I have read some of the titles, but can't remember them.
Perhaps somone else can help out here.
I have spent hours trying to locate some of the other books on the
internet and all I came up with is the one I mentioned and the two
that have been translated. I could find the translated ones easily
in either language. A few of times I had located 'Cancer, a Fat
Problem' but when I took the next step (to order) I got switched to
another website where it said something like 'not available', 'page
cannot be loaded' or some other negative thing.
Very frustrating...
Wilhelm
--- In FlaxSeedOil2@y..., "Carolyn J. Kreibich" <kreibich@t...

Jeffrey,
I can only speak for myself, but I consider your questioning and comments to be
"food for thought". I have learned from you. You have an inquisitive mind and
you like asking about the 'hows' and 'whys' of things.
There are many wonderful people on this list and I have learned so much since I
joined a year ago. I also enjoy the MENTAL STIMULATION when debates occur, as
long as the debates stay friendly. Much information is brought forward during
the course of a debate.
Carolyn

wilhelmh2 wrote:
Cancer, a Fat Problem
Cancer, the Problem and the Solution
The Death of the Tumour
These 3 books titles sound interesting. HOW can we get a translation of them?
Is there anyone in driving range to Dr. Budwig's office who could get written
permission to translate them for us? How are translations handled with
publishing companies?
Carolyn

Hi Everyone,
This type of answer should be modified. I agree with those who wish to
stick to issues and not do personal or character assination attempts.
Lorenzo is correct. If apologies are in order by anyone, let`s do it
politely. Let`s maintain our view points with dignity and with composure.
There is no need to agree with everyone/everything nor always to disagree.
NHY has made valuable contributions to this forum and he has been through
"the allopathic mill." His dislike or apprehension of allopathy is easy to
understand. At the same time Jefferey is attempting to bring in a little
structure but he will find that he must do the lion`s share of the work and
tone down some language. (There is no offense meant to either
gentleman).People in the group are not as high keyed in certain areas as
some. They want to find some immediate solutions and hope to their problems
and not be confused or distracted. We are entering a new year so let`s get
together
. This forum was initially set up, I believe, for prostate cancer by Dr.
Basile who passed it on the responsibily to Cliff Beckwith. It has now
evloved into Flaxseed Oil2, with Cliff being the List Owner, etc. after a
few network changes , etc. .( Cliff, correct me if I`m wrong.) Everything we
do has Dr. Budwig in mind because she gave us the Flaxseed Oil and Low fat
(sugarless) Quark regimen, which has now been expanded to include as
substitute low fat cottage cheese or low fat yoghurt instead of the hard to
find quark, at least in the USA. . I don`t see this as a Flaxseed list only.
Yes, Flaxseed is all important but it is only a part of the equation. It
must be combined thoroughly with (low fat )Quark, per Dr. Budwig`s protocol.
If anyone wants to experiment, by all means do so by himself or herself, and
then report to the group. In the meantime, let`s help everyone we can by
what we know works and not by speculation or by guess work, scientific or
not. In this context, everyone can make a contribution, real or imaginary.
There are a lot of stories in the archives. They are not scientific but they
have done wonders without science. They have saved people`s by people`s own
account. That means a lot to oyhers search for a way out of their
afflictions for themseves or loved ones.
As far as maintaining pride goes, by all means we should all do so, but let
us all be ladies and gentlemen. Those who want ONLY to further the
scientific/allopathic goals/ends/ aims/ objectives have come to the wrong
place. That does not mean they cannot join in with knowledge or facts as
they see them or purport. The world has changed drastically in the last
fifty years and some things may have to be reviewed, but not summarily
discarded just because fifty years have passed. The right questions,
answered properly, can sure enough help a lot of "newbies" so that this list
can continue to grow, and continue to help others for years to come.
If some heated verbal exchanges must take place, that should be O.K., but
they should be made respecting the wishes of this group which is to keep the
Dr. Budwig protocol alive, without being ridiculed or discredited.
Otherwise the "Accent is on the wrong syALLable" and that won`t fly.
So good luck to all. No one wants anyone to leave. However, the group`s
wishes are to procede with caution and respect.
These are my personal views only and I welcome any other viewpoints. Thanks
and best for my first posting in 2002! Have a good, healthly year. Mike
Cinelli
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Hi Jeffery,
Your point is well taken but unnecessary. I appreciate your afterthought.
Mike Cinelli

Vivan, thanks for this, but do you
think it best to start with zero
fat milk in order to get zero fat
quark?
Also do you have thoughts on
unpasteurised/pasteurised. We can
only get pasteurised here in the
UK.
Also any thoughts on
homogenisation ... which won't let
the milk split anyway?
Jeffrey
PS sorry if this question cheeses
off NHY.
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From: "nanospin" <nanospin@y...
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 7:40 am
Subject: Yogurt Instructions
Following are the instructions for
*properly* made yogurt.
A few years ago, I started making
yogurt using the oven method,
but found it too cumbersome, so I
bought a "Yogourmet" yogurt
maker. It makes delicious yogurt
without having to worry about
the temperature or tying up the
oven. The place I bought it from
also sells the perfect culture.
Here's their website:
http://www.lucyskitchenshop.com/yo
gourmet.html
Do a search on the web, and you'll
probably find many other
places that sell this and other
yogurt makers. I'm just very happy
with mine. Perfect yogurt every
time. :)
To make Quark, just drain the
liquid (whey) for 8 to 10 hrs.
Vivian

[ For those list members who do not want to read this type of answer, please
use your delete button now. However, it is may be germaine to good health
and to the Dr. Johanna Protocol. Thanks in advance, Mike Cinelli]
Hi Jeffery, 12/31/2001
It`s good to see you asking a few questions re: this post. Some comments are
in order to correst a few points which may lead us to all our goals.
1. Besides Dr. Budwig`s two books translated into English, and Dr. Udo
Erasmus`s books ( Fats and Oils 1986), and his more recent one you have,
another very informed person to research is Dr. Mary Enid, Ph.D
(Biochemistry). She is gaining fame in America for her recent work on Fats
and Oils. She is publishing short articles/lectures etc., so it is easy
reading.
2. I agree that Allopaths are necessay for broken bones, delivery of babies
(Mid-wives?), diagnostic testing, and for some some minor operations, and
somethings I may not know about.. But Dr. Robert S. Mendolnson, M.D., in
the book "Dissent In Medicine " says doctors are perhaps necessay in only
twenty percent of the times.... I maintain, that they themselves are
oftentimes very ignorant when it comes to nutrition, a well known fact.
USA Medical Schools are being forced to see the light, because of revenue
loss to alternative practitioners and perhaps a change of heart. I will
refrain from comments about the soaring death rate in the USA caused by
doctors (MD`s), except to say the when doctors (M.D.`s) went on strike in
Israel for one month, the death rate in the country dropped by about 74%. ,
and the Morticians were complaining. Hmmm...And , three years ago, I read
that France`s oldest living person who died at122 , was asked at age 117, if
she saw doctors. Her answer was paraphrasing: "Heavens no! What can they do
for me? The last one I saw was back in 1935 and all he did was pokes
around."
3. It is my opinion that Dr. Budwig`s protocol will never become mainstream.
She herself has pointed this out...see the Dr.. Roehm posting I did. There
are too many well organized forces against alternatives including the
A.M.A., (and German counterpart), Food Processors who insist on giving us
hydrogenated oils, to the detriment of our health. Even if the shelf life of
products are elongated, the process destroys the Omega 3 in the products.
This is very serious because we all lack Omega 3 , thanks to this Food
Indusrty.Process called hydrogenation. ( Your company in the U.K. is well
aware of this, no doubt.) Add to this the Media gag on alternatives in
general, and on Dr. Budwig in particular in Germany, ( she is virtually
unknown in the USA), and you get the picture....I apologize for repeating
this because I believe you are conversant with what I am saying and you said
you have been using/trying alternatives for seven (?) years. That is to your
credit and I know that dairy products differ greatly from country to
country. . I am not against all allopaths...only those whose ignorance
about nutrition is inexcusable, especially when many people trust them
blindly. ( Jeffery, I only bring this up in answer to your comment and it is
not meant to be confrontational or argumentive. Let`s hope all medical
disciplines will get back to how it was prior to 1935 in the USA before the
A.M.A., the FDA and others got into the picture with their kind of health
only...) By the way where did you get the impression that Homeopathy is now
mainstream? The U.K.? It does not seem to be the case in the USA although
prior to 1935 it was exactly that until the Allopaths got monopolistic laws
on their side. This plunged the USA into the Medical Dark Ages and our
health status dropped from being a healthy country to being a very sick one,
number 17 or so according to WHO. It`s easy to check out.
4. The Dr. Atkins`s analogy isn`t quite the same as comparing Dr. Budwig`s
battle to survive with his. Please keep in mind that Dr. Aitkins is a M.D.,
and that he doesn`t stray too far to run afoul the Medical Board or the
A.M.A., since he includes their protocols in his treatments of patients, in
addition to his innovative dietary. ideas ( under attack), and use of
common sense items such as exercise, vitamins, herbs, hormones and other
supllements. Personally I do not agree with his diet but each person should
decide his own health fate. I do not deride him and I read whatever I can of
his works, because he is important
.
A more fair analogy would be the fates of such innovators as Dr. Robert
Koch,( MD)., Hoxsey with his multitude of clinics, Dr. Royal Rife Ph.D who
found a cancer cure back in 1934 with hiselectronic resonances , Dr
Gerson, M.D, and very recently Dr. Hulda Clark, Ph.D , N.D., and many others
who were hounded by trumped up law suits, threats and even forced to move to
a more friendly atmosphere like Mexico or Brazil. On the bright side, the
tide is changing somewhat, as Complementry Medicine is now the new Buzz
Word, as a compromise or concession point granted by the Allopathic
advocates. Dr. Budwig`s has been through much of the same, although she
won all seven court cases brought agaisnt her by the Food Processing
Industry/Pharmaco/ Chemical Cartels. A quick Internet search can fill in
anyone who is interested...
5. You plan to do original research? Im what capacity or scope? Good for you
if it can help. can you elaborate?
6. Dr. Budwig`s books are very informative and they give a lot of info for
products and proportions. I garee you have to read a bit to learn about
them. Perhaps the Dr. Roehm article will make it easier for people because
he has taken up that exact subject by breaking down what the proportions
are. There is , however, a definition of Linomel in The Budwig
"Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook" on the back page of the Preface: Quote: "
Linomel(TM): is a brand name and originally created and patented by Dr.
Budwig. It is a cereal made from cracked Flaxseed, a small amount of honey
and a little milk powder. ...To purchase Linomel (TM), or for further
information phone Toll Free 1-800-445-Flax (3529)".[ Barlean`s ph #] ... If
you are doing this research for your company perhaps you can phone directly,
or fax them, otherwise perhaps someone in the USA can phone up to get some
answers, if .Barlean`s will give them since that is their phone number.
7. By using someone`s intials like JB, it is certainly not disrespectful in
an internal situation such as in a company. But would you call your Prime
Minister? "TB" [Tony Blair], or would "AB" [Anthony Blair] be more
approriate? ( Assuming of course that would be his name)...or how about
President Bush? Would he be "GB" or something similar? I`m just joking a
bit. I asked my 82 year priest friend what he would call her, and he said,
Dr. Budwig, just as many of us would do. As I formerly said in a posting,
treat her title as you would a Professor or a high military person, or
politician...But that is your choice since you have explained your position.
8. Dr. Budwig is 95 years old. From my reading on Aging, including Dr.
Atkins, it is obvious that much happens to us when we grow older in terms of
patience, etc. I do not know how she would react to a visit with some
pointed questions unless she were well advised far ahead of time. It will be
interesting to note.
9. Apologies are in order if I said "why would she want to see you?" I
believe I had read some insulting meaning in your statements at the time and
I no doubt answered that everyone should be well mannered or something like
that. Dr. Budwig is dear to a lot of people for her discoveries, her
courageous stand, and her contribution to good health by way of the Flaxseed
Oil/Quark regimen. It should be observed that there is more to her protocol
for good health and I believe she has done an outstanding job in her two
books to make lay people, as well as others, aware of the real problems we
are all facing. No one is exempt, and doctors may be in more danger than
many of us because as Dr. Wallach, Ph.D. Vetinarary Sciences and ND (?)
said [ I repeat] in his "Dead Doctors Don`t Lie," the average lifespan for a
doctor in the USA is 58! Does this mean it`s a case of "The Blind leading
the Blind?" ( No offense to people with impaired eyesight health but the
saying is very powerful in this case.)
10. Lastly, Jeffery, Iin spite of your desire to make her protocol
mainstrean like other nutrition products, I seriously doubt that Dr. Budwig
will attract mainstream news because her suggestions of using Flaxseed Oil
"Combined" with Quark (Cottage Cheese/ Yoghurt) is being ignored by research
scientists. Everyone is talking about Flaxseed Oil, but the Quark (Cottage
Cheese?Yoghurt) combination is totally ignored except to break down the
ingredients as separate items, totally omitting any reference to the
"yellow-greenish substance found in the blood of cancer patients but which
disappears whn omega 3 is added to the diet by way of her combination of
Flaxseed Oil-low fat Quark.. This lack of including her protocol is
downright dishonest, in my opinion, and anyone reading Dr. Budwig can glean
that it is vitally important that the combination be used together to
achieve good health. In addition, exercise, a vegetarian (or near
vegetarian diet for those who can`t breakaway or do not wish to break away
from their beliefs), increased oxygen, a change in living style, the use of
Nature`s seeds with their energy and electron benefits , and the valuable
intake of sunshine (radiation) and how to get the most of it,etc., are all
important.
Good health is not easy to achieve or maintain in today`s world and only the
informed will have a chance to survive. I am happy to see you add some
valuable input by way of structured organization to the discussion because
it seems that everyone wants a shortcut to health. That is a problem we must
all overcome, because it is hard work to regain and to maintain health, but
well worth it when the "alternative" [no pun itended] to good health is
considered. Dr. Budwig has been a God send and if we can carry out her
message, all the better.
Happy New Year to you, your family and all those good people on this list.
This list is an oasis in our world`s health jungle. Thanks, Mike Cinelli
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Mike,
I've just been looking at NHY's postings to try and work out where he's
coming from.
I thought that the posting below was from you ... hence my previous
comments about confrontational.
I now see they are from NHY ... so I'm sorry.
You can see below that there's a pattern to NHY's posts ... they tend to be
angry and attacking.
Jeffrey
"What I mean is I first came across the books a few years ago, and
browsing a few mails in the archive it seems no one can get near JB
(Johanna Budwig)."
Excuse me!!!! Where do you get the notion that "JB", as you call her,
owes you or anyone an interview or even 30 precious seconds of her time on
the phone or responding to your letter. Does everyone that buys her $1.95
book automatically get the right to meet with her for additional
clarification.
Most doctors would require you to set up an appointment and get a referral
from your current doctor to get to talk to them at all. I guess almost
every doctor in the United States could be considered a whole lot more
elusive than Dr. Budwig. Why do you think she would owe you or anyone else
such uncompensated time? To help promote the sale of her $1.95 book?
Too bad Shakespeare is dead. I would have given him a call on the Tele
and set up an appointment with him to discuss his works on my next visit
to England. That is unless he was so elusive as to not grant MY wish.
Those patients in her clinic are the ONLY ones she has any duty to. If I
were in her shoes, to have wasted so much time in the past with CREDIBLE
interviewers looking to capitalize on my work, it would make me skeptical
about meeting with anyone ever again.
Get Real!!!
NHY

This is NHY's agenda.
He belives this is the Dr Budwig Cancer group:
He says on the 17th December:
"This forum was started as a forum for those with cancer to find out about
Dr. Budwig and her cancer protocol. IMO, it was ineptly named the
FlaxseedOil group instead of the Dr. Budwig cancer group."
So his idea is you come here to find more, you get referred to the books,
you get the site addresses ... you don't ask questions ... that's it.
If you've got heart, arthritis, other problems or just want to know about
more ... e.g. prophylaxis (according to NHY) you're on the wrong group.
Worth finding out
Jeffrey
"need_high_yield" <need_high_yield@...

Cliff,

In Turkey they eat Purslane, it is now said to contain more Omega 3 than other greens.

Also good results reported from Crete where they eat Purselane and Walnuts.

I get tired of all the techno-babble also.

Best Regards, Lorenzo

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Thanks Mike, for your good wishes and for the information. I will
keep you updated. She didn't have any seizures yesterday, so who
knows... there are so many variables, what she ate, how much she
drank, the amount of sleep... it is a long road ahead of us so on we
go. Lisa

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I think it would be great to post this weekly?
"Milpara" <milpara@...

What is being said here; that if you develop cancer, you should eat the
least nutritious foods, with the aim of denying the cancer the nourishment
you would otherwise have given your body?

This is a post from some years back on one of the lists. It made sense to
me and I saved it.
I have seen nothing from this man for some years but when he posted I knew
that he was a professional health person in the nutrition field. He posted
other things as well at the time.
Cliff
Greetings Cliff,
Just a comment about Flax Oil/Cottage cheese use. The notion that "this"
cures or "that" cures or anything else cures is based more in myth and a
difficult point of view to let go of. The cause of action with flax
oil/cottage cheese is to overcome a difficiency of the essential fatty
acids Omega 6 and Omega 3 because they are normally damaged in food
processing and exposure to light. The cottage cheese is just a simple way
to get relatively undamaged sulphur containing amino acids into the body.
The amino acids are Cysteine, Cystine and Methionine and they are the only
amino acids that contain sulphur bonds. Any source of food that contains
ample amounts of them in an undamaged state will do. Cottage cheese is just
a good source for them because the cheese is readly available, can be
purchased in a low fat version and is inexpensive.
Most of the cells membrane is composed of Omega 3 and 6 and so is the
membrane of the nucleus and most of the constituents inside of the nucleus.
Raw Omega 3 and 6 are damaged by exposure to light and oxygen. Light is
about 1000 times more damaging than oxygen to these two essential fatty
acids. It only takes a few minutes to damage the fatty acids from light
exposure if they are not protected by relationships with other naturally
occuring substances. Unlike some other raw oils, flax oil lacks many of
these substances while at the same time being one of the best sources of
the fatty acids. The sulphur from the amino acids is utilized by the
cells for oxygen transport across the cell membrane. So, the body is
utilizing undamaged raw material to repair itself. Cancer grows more
easiely in an oxygen difficient and acid environment. Most people are
acidic because of too much protein and high acid forming substances such as
phosphoric acid in sodas and something as simple as vitamin C in the form
of ascorbic acid for example.
Any "thing" that is ingested does not "cure" nor is it capable of curing.
Only the body is capable of doing the "cure" because it knows what to do
with the raw material. The raw material, be it from flax oil, amino acids,
MGN-3, IP6, Beta Glucan, or anything else is used by the body to build,
repair or
whatever or the body will try to get rid of it. The substance the body uses
doesn't know what to do, only the body does. It would be like believing
that a hammer or screwdriver knows what to do as compared to the person
using them as tools.
Overcoming the belief that "cures" come in a bottle or from a "doctor" or
anyone else gives our power away and leaves us basically helpless in being
the source of our cure. We have most of the power to control what comes
into our body and the quality of what we ingest or the lack of it is most
determinent in how qualitatively our body functions. Our "beliefs" also
play a significant roll in how we experience life. Some people have a
"terrible day", while on the same day others are having a "fantastic day".
The day doesn't care and it is not the day creating our experience of
whether it's a good day or a bad day. We do that. And when it comes to
other experiences, no matter what they are, we are the sole creators of
them. What we experience may be out of our hands, but HOW we experience is
totally in our hands and no one elses. The beliefs we hold about cancer
have as much of an influence as anthing else in what we do about "having"
cancer. Some people lay down and die while others get up and live. Either
way is a self fulfilling prophesy.
Putting "cures" into the hands of others takes us out of the domain of
being in charge...Of being responsible for our power and using it
wisely....Of driving the car, so to speak.
When cancer or a tumor returns when someone quits taking flax oil and
cottege cheese, it's because the body no longer has what it needs to build
good cell membrane's and improved oxygen transport.
The body is made out of food. More accurately put, it is made out of what
we ingest and to the extent we give it substandard raw material from which
to build and repair itself and also put in things that are harmful
(including harmful beliefs)....guess what
J Michael Bentley

Hi,
I don't see any real problems.
There is no question in my mind that Dr. Budwig has the answers if men would
learn to follow them.
At the same time we can learn more.
I learned from Greg today. It is entirely possible that I have been using
too many antioxidants. I have used some heavy hitters, like Microhydrin. I
may well have hurt myself.
By using the Lupron to get the PCa activity down and starting again we will
have the opportunity to experiment some more. I will reduce or eliminate
the antioxidants.
I will be staying with at least 3 tablespoons of Flax Oil and cottage
cheese.
I trust the Cottage cheese more than the companion nutrients but if one
cannot tolerate cottage cheese they may have value. Extra plant based
digestive enzymes made a big difference in trials at Mayo Clinic. I will
put that on at the end of this message.
Why, I don't really know but we have seen very good results in a couple of
very serious situations using companion nutrients where the ones involved
would rather die than eat cottage cheese.
I would far rather see folks use companion nutrients than nothing.
I am most anxious that people do not discourage anyone from the use of Flax
Oil unless they have spent a lot of research and come up with something
first that has better than 98% success. That would be unfortunate and could
cause folks to die before they would need to.
Dr. Budwig says that we need one tablespoon of flaxseed oil a day per
hundred pounds of body weight for maintenance of good health. I would
certainly follow that plan as my wife does.
If one does an exact job of figuring out input of the various fatty acid so
that the ratio is very good that is fine. Most will not do that. Thus with
the known excess of Omega 6 in our normal modern diet, the supplementation
of the flax oil with the extra Omega 3 would seem to make the most sense for
us amateurs.
CLiff
Enzymes
In recent days I have become aware of the possible need for the use of
supplemental enzymes, particularly in older people.
When one is thirty, the pancreas makes all the enzymes needed for complete
digestion and assimilation of nutrients, but with advancing age from that
point on I understand that there is a continuous drop in the ability of the
pancreas to manufacture these enzymes
.
There are no enzymes in cooked foods as heating above 118 degrees Fahrenheit
destroys enzymes. Eating raw fruits and vegetables provides some enzymes,
but not usually enough. This might be a clue as to some of the value from
juicing raw vegetables.
About five years ago I knew of a man about four years older than I who had
prostate cancer with a PSA of 73 in September. He ate nothing but fresh
fruits and vegetables and flaxseed oil and cottage cheese and by December
the PSA had dropped to 13. He and his wife were thrilled. He had no other
treatment. I am wondering if a lot of the improvement did not come because
of the extra enzymes he was getting from the fresh fruits and vegetables and
their enhancement of the effect of the Omega 3. This morning I read an
article taken from a Life Extension Magazine that provided evidence that
that was what happened.
Heartburn, Acid reflex, gas, diarrhea, and constipation can result from the
body's increasing inability to digest food. Maldigestion can contribute to
recurrent infections, skin problems, hormonal disturbances, arthritis,
allergies, weight loss, joint and back pain, heart disease, and even cancer.
There have been enzymes supplements of animal origin, but now researchers
have made exciting new discoveries about the use of plant-based enzymes to
treat such diseases as cancer, rheumatoid arthritis, celiac disease, food
allergy and cardiovascular disease.
Our bodies need Amylase to break carbohydrates down into simple glucose,
lipase to dissolve fats into fatty acids, and protease to reduce large
protein molecules to amino acids. Enzymes made from a fungus, A. oryzae,
have been found to be very effective in digesting lactose. An excellent
product called Assimilate has these enzymes and has been found in a well
known research laboratory [Mayo Clinic] to dramatically increase absorption
of many nutrients [including selenium, zinc, and essential fatty acids] by
up to 70%.
If the body is short of enzymes for digestion, white blood cells are brought
into play as they do have enzymes and they will attack the food patricles to
break them down. While they are thus engaged they cannot be doing the jobs
they should be doing fighting diseases and abnormalities such as cancer.
Assimilate is available from VitaMedics, 19142 South Molalla Ave., Oregon
Ciry, OR 97214, toll free 1- 800 - 216 - 2724, regular (503) 656 - 1993 or
fax 450 - 656 - 2992. I have recently discovered that VitaMedics has
another product called Mega-Zyme. I have been informed that this product is
superior to Assimilate when fighting cancer.
An excellent enzyme product that has a formula identical with Assimilate
is available from Sullivan Creek Distributing, 258 Sullivan Creek Lane,
Cascade MT 59421. 1-888-406-4066. (406) 468-3099 Fax (406) 468-3099
E-Mail: info@...
Another excellent product, Similase, the professional brand, is available
from Center for Natural Medicine Dispensary, 1330 S.E. 39th Ave., Portland,
OR 97214, toll free 1 - 888 - 305 - 4288, or fax 503 - 232 - 7751
Another excellent source of enzymes is Enzyme formulations, Inc., 6421
Enterprise Lane, Madison WI 53719 or call I - 800 - 614 - 4400 for catalog.

Hi Larry :

Neither cottage cheese or companion nutrients contain "sulfur proteins" because there is no such thing. What you are referring to is Sulfur Amino Acids (SAA's). The SAA's in the companion

nutrients is L-Methionine. If your taking the recomended amount of tablets then you will be consuming 200mg of L-Methionine. Cottage Cheese is a very rich source of methionine and cysteine

(another SAA). Cottage Cheese however contains 400mg of methionine. There is a myriad of other

nutrients lacking in the companion nutrients, which is why I said that is wasn't a good choice.

Respectfully,
Mike Martin
www.flaxrd.com
mike@...
Flax Your Way to Better Health

Hello All,

This comes from my old files: It is a wealth of information on Dr. Budwig and her protocol, including how to mix it, others products, why it works , etc.Dr. Roehm wroye most of it in the early 1990`s. The info was posted on the Internet. Sources are also given. It should be interesting to those who have not read the Dr. Budwig books and also to those of us who need it by way of review, and for those who want to explore more.

Hopefully, it will assist all in a better understanding of what Dr. Budwig is about. Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli

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Dr Johanna Budwig diet /Cancer, Arthritis, Multiple sclerosis, Psoriasis, Eczema, Acne, .../Flaxseed oil and cottage cheese

Six time nobel award nominated doctor says this essential nutrient combination actually prevents and cures cancer! HOME - The Cancer Homepage/ Read Flaxseed oil Testimonials :/http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1158/MAILBAG.HTMhttp://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1158/

Six time nobel award nominated doctor says this essential nutrient combination actually prevents and helps body to cure cancer! by Robert Willner, M.D.,Ph.D. (author of "The Cancer Solution").

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Dr.Johanna Budwig Mix:

Put in your blender:

1 cup Organic cottage cheese (low fat, not too hard one, best make your own) (or yogurt)

2-5 Tbsp. of flaxseeed oil-

1-3 Tbsp. of freshly ground up flaxseed (coffee grinder ($15) works fine)

enough water to make it soft

little cayenne

optional:

little garlic

little red pepper

little champagne

Make it very soft.

Eat some of it every day.

(PS Adjust quantities for your taste !)

THE BUDWIG FLAX OIL DIET

The Flaxseed (Linseed) oil diet was originally proposed by Dr. Johanna Budwig, a German biochemist and expert on fats and oils, in 1951 and recently re-examined by Dr. Dan C. Roehm M.D. FACP (Oncologist and former cardiologist) in 1990. Dr. Roehm claims: "this diet is far and away the most successful anti-cancer diet in the world".

Budwig claims that the diet is both a preventative and a curative. She says the absence of linol-acids [in the average western diet] is responsible for the production of oxydase, which induces cancer growth and is the cause of many other chronic disorders.

The beneficial oxydase ferments are destroyed by heating or boiling oils in foods, and by nitrates used for preserving meat, etc.

The theory is: the use of oxygen in the organism can be stimulated by protein compounds of sulphuric content, which make oils water-soluble and which is present in cheese, nuts, onion and leek vegetables such as leek, chive, onion and garlic, but especially cottage cheese.

Ferments of cell respiration closely connected with the highly unsaturated fatty acids, are also needed for proper oxydation. It is essential to use only unrefined, cold-pressed oils with high linolic acid content, such as linseed, sunflower, soya, poppyseed, walnut, and corn oils. Such oil should be consumed together with foods containing the right proteins otherwise the oils will have the OPPOSITE EFFECT, causing more harm than good.

The best combination is cottage cheese and linseed oil. The linseed should be freshly ground. Carbohydrates containing natural sugar, such as dates, figs, pears, apples and grapes, are also included in the diet. Honey is also beneficial. Most of the synthetic vitamin A preparations are bad because they contain oxidation products, but much carotine as provitamin A (from carrot) is consumed. Vitamin B from buttermilk, yoghurt, and natural yeast is beneficial.

A person requires daily about 4 oz. of cottage cheese mixed well with 1.5 oz. of linseed oil and 1 oz. of milk. A blender or egg beater works fine. The mixture an be sweeten with honey or otherwise flavoured naturally. Fresh fruits can be added. Every morning 2 spoonfuls of freshly ground linseed oil should be taken in luke warm buttermilk or yoghurt.

The diet is indicated for all kinds of chronic diseases, especially heart ailments (corony thrombosis), gall disorders, diabetes, arthritis, and malignancies. It improves failing hearing and sight. It is the ideal nutrient for children and infants. It is suggested that this diet be supplemented with lactic acid ferments (4).

"What she (Dr. Johanna Budwig) has demonstrated to my initial disbelief but lately, to my complete satisfaction in my practice is: CANCER IS EASILY CURABLE, the treatment is dietary/lifestyle, the response is immediate; the cancer cell is weak and vulnerable; the precise biochemical breakdown point was identified by her in 1951 and is specifically correctable, in vitro (test-tube) as well as in vivo (real)... " (Roehm, "Townsend Letter for Doctors", July 1990)

GENERAL RULES

The patient has no nourishment on day #1 other than 250 ml (8.5 oz) of Flax Oil with honey plus freshly squeezed fruit juices (no sugar added!). In the case of a very ill person, champagne may be added on the first day in place of juice and is taken with the Flax Oil and honey. Champagne is easily absorbable and has a serious purpose here.

1) SUGAR IS ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN. Grape juice may be added to sweeten any other freshly squeezed juices.

2) Other 'forbiddens' are:

- All animal fats.

- All Salad Oils (this included commercial mayonnaise)

- All Meats (chemicals & hormones)

- Butter

- Margarine

- Preserved Meats (the preservatives block metabolism even of Flax Oil)

3) Freshly squeezed vegetable juices are fine - carrot, celery, apple, and red beet.

4) Three times daily a warm tea is essential - peppermint, rose hips or grape tea - all sweetened as desired with honey. One cup of black tea before noon is fine.

DAILY PLAN

Before breakfast - a glass of Acidophilus milk or Sauerkraut juice is taken.

Breakfast - Muesli (regular cereal) is overlaid with 2 tablespoons (30 ml) of Flax Oil and honey and fresh fruit according to season - berries, cherries, apricots, peaches, grated apple. Vary the flavour from day to day. Use any nuts except peanuts! Herbal teas as desired or black tea. A 4 oz (120 g) serving of THE SPREAD (directions below). This is fine to eat 'straight' like a custard, or add it to other foods taken in the day as you will see.

Morning tea (10am) - A glass of fresh carrot juice, apple, celery, or beet-apple juice is taken.

Lunch - Raw salad with yoghurt-Flax Oil Mayonnaise (directions below).

In addition to 'greens' salads, use grated turnips, carrots, kohlrabi, radishes, sauerkraut or cauliflower. A fine powder of horseradish, chives or parsley may be added for flavour.

Cooked Meal Course - Steamed vegetables, potatoes, or such grains as rice, buck-wheat or millet may be served. to these add either THE SPREAD or THE MAYO - for flavour and to up your intake of Flax Oil. Also mix THE SPREAD with potatoes for an especially hearty meal. Add caraway, chives, parsley or other herbs.

Dessert - Mix fresh fruit other than those used for breakfast with THE SPREAD, this time (instead of honey), flavoured using cream of lemon, vanilla or berries.

Afternoon Tea (4pm) - A small glass of natural wine (no preservatives) or champagne or fresh fruit juice with 1-2 tablespoons of honey-coated Fax Seeds.

Supper - Have this early, at 6pm. Make a hot meal using buckwheat, oat or soy cakes. grits from buckwheat are the very best and can be placed in a vegetable soup, or in a more solid form of cakes with herbal sauce. Sweet sauces & soups can always be given far more healing energy by adding THE SPREAD. Only honey or grape juice can be used for sweeteners. NO white sugar (or brown!) Only freshly squeezed juices and NOT reconstituted juices (preservative danger) may be used. These must be completely natural.

How to prepare 'THE SPREAD'

Place 250 ml (8.5 oz) Flax Oil into a mixer bowl and add one pound (450 g) of 1% Cottage Cheese (ie low fat eg Quark) and add 4 tablespoons (60 ml) of Honey. Turn on the mixer and add just enough low fat milk or water to get the contents of the bowl to blend in together. In 5 minutes, a preparation of custard consistency results that has NO taste of the oil (and no oily 'ring' should be seen when you rinse out the bowl).

Alternatively, you can use Yoghurt instead of Cottage Cheese in proportions of 1 oz (30 g) of Yoghurt to 1 tablespoon (15 ml) each of Flax Oil and of honey and blend as above.

NOTE: When Flax Oil is blended like this, it does not cause diarrhoea even when given in large amounts. It reacts chemically with the (sulphur) proteins of the cottage cheese, yoghurt, etc.

How to prepare 'THE MAYO' (Mayonnaise):

Mix together 2 tablespoons (30 ml) Flax Oil, 2 tablespoons (30 ml) milk, and 2 tablespoons (30 ml) Yoghurt.

Then add 2 tablespoons (30 ml) of Lemon juice (or Apple Cider Vinegar) and add 1 teaspoon (2.5g) Mustard plus some herbs such as marjoram or dill.

Next add 2 or 3 slices of health food store pickles (no preservatives! - read label!) and a pinch of herbal salts.

(The above mayonnaise plus lots of mustard and a few bananas is very tasty!)

Concluding remarks by Dr. Roehm - "I only wish that all my patients had a PhD in Biochemistry and Quantum Physics to enable them to see how with such consummate skill this diet was put together. It is a wonder. The champagne vehicle IS easier to assimilate and get someone almost on their death-bed going again. A retention enema of 250 ml (8.5 oz) of oil is another route to get this precious life-furthering, ELECTRON-RICH oil into the body. It can also be applied to the skin for transdermal

absorption. I'll answer your questions and give you "special orders" for you particular case.

You will have to remain on this diet for a good 5 years, at which time your tumour may have disappeared. Persons who break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports, (ie eating preserved meats, candy, etc) will sometimes grow rapidly worse and cannot be saved after they come back from their spree (bon-bons mean bye-bye).

In 1967, Dr Budwig broadcast the following sentence during an interview over the South German Radio Network, describing her incoming patients with failed operations and x-ray therapy":

"Even in these cases it is possible to restore health in a few months at most, I would truly say 90% of the time".

"This has never been contradicted, but this knowledge has been a long time reaching this side of the ocean, hasn't it? Cancer treatment can be very simple and very successful once you know how. The cancer interests dont want you to know this.

May those of you who have suffered from this disease (and I include your family and friends in this) forgive the miscreants who have kept this simple information from reaching you for so long".

(signed) Dan C. Roehm, M.D. FACP

"The best, purest, most carefully prepared Flax Oil in America is, in my opinion", said Roehm, "is Omegaflo. Arrowhead mills label is most often seen in Florida (USA). Look for the Omegaflo".

"FLAX (LINSEED) OIL is readily denatured by oxygen, heat, and light. That's why it is used in paint. Rancid oil is bad for health, so oil MUST be carefully produced, packed under nitrogen in light-proof

containers, refrigerated until used, used as fresh as possible, and stabilised with protein (THE SPREAD, etc) promptly once the container is opened..."

Flax Seeds may also be used. Seeds need only be cracked in a food blender, or they may be ground in a coffee grinder. One needs three times the amount of seed to get the oil equivalent. Seeds are high in calories, so one may gain weight. The seeds are also high in soluble fibre, so blending with liquid tends to produce ever-hardening "jellies". Fresh-cracked seed sprinkled on muesli & eaten promptly

tastes great.

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Ed McCabe (p85, "Oxygen Therapies") discusses his point of view on

essential fatty acids:

"The red blood cells in the lungs give up carbon dioxide and take on oxygen. They are then transported to the cell site via the blood vessels, where, they release their oxygen into the plasma. This released oxygen is "attracted" to the cells by the "resonance" of the pi-electron" oxidation-enhancing fatty acids. Otherwise, oxygen cannot work its way into the cell. "Electron rich fatty acids" play the decisive role in "respiratory enzymes, which are the basis of cell oxidation...".

"Dont eat anything hydrogenated like (like margarine, or fried foods) as it defeats oxygenation. Avoid products that say "hydrogenated".

"We should eat essential polyunsaturated fatty acids to enhance oxygenation. They can be found naturally in Carotene, Saffron, and Flaxseed oil."

REFERENCES

1. "Promotion and Prevention of Tumour Growth Effects of Endotoxin, Inflamation, and Dietary Lipids", by Raymond Kearney, Ph.D, Department of Infectious Diseases, The University of Sydney, Sydney, N.S.W. 2006 Australia. International Clinical Nutrition Review, October, 1987 Vol.

7, No. 4.

2. Roehm, "Townsend Letter for Doctors", July 1990

3. Ed McCabe, "Oxygen Therapies"

4. "The natural way to better health and longer life", Bullivant.

5. Arlin J. Brown, "March of Truth On Cancer", (seventh edition). Summary of 79 nontoxic cancer treatments. Available from the Arlin J. Brown Information Centre Inc., P.O. Box 251, Fort Belvoir, Virginia, 22060. Ph: 1-703-752-9511.

Who is Dr. Johanna Budwig?

Dr. Johanna Budwig is known and highly respected around the world as Germany's premier biochemist. In addition, Dr. Budwig holds a Ph.D. in Natural Science, has undergone medical training, and was schooled in pharmaceutical science, physics, botany and biology. In all courses, this brilliant scientist excelled.

She is best known for her extensive research on the properties and benefits of flaxseed oil combined with sulphurated proteins in the diet, and over the years has published a number of books on the subject, including "Cancer--A Fat Problem," "The Death of the Tumor," and "True Health Against Arteriosclerosis, Heart Infarction & Cancer."

Dr. Budwig has assisted many seriously ill individuals, even those given up as terminal by orthodox medical practitioners, to regain their health through a simple regimen of nutrition. The basis of Dr. Budwig's program is the use of flaxseed oil blended with low-fat cottage cheese.

In the mid 1950's, Dr. Budwig began her long and meticulous research on the importance of essential fatty acids (linoleic and linolenic) in the diet. Her subsequent discoveries and announcements sparked mixed reactions. While the general public was eager for this astounding information, German manufacturers of commercial dietary fats (margarine, hard shortening, vegetable oils) went to extremes to prevent her from publishing her findings. Fortunately, while Dr. Budwig's vital announcements were initially met with resistance backed by those with financial stakes in the commercial fats industry, her persistence paid off. Today, Dr. Johanna Budwig is world renowned for her important discoveries on the benefits of flaxseed oil. Her fame precedes her as she lectures all over Europe.

Fats-Good and Bad

Dr. Johanna preaches against the use of what she calls "pseudo" fats. In order to extend the shelf life of their products, manufacturers use chemical processes that render their food products harmful to the body. These harmful fats go by a number of names, including "hydrogenated," "partially hydrogenated" and even "polyunsaturated."

The chemical processing of fats destroys the vital electron cloud within the fat. Once the electrons have been removed, these fats can no longer bind with oxygen, and they actually become a harmful substance deposited within the body. The heart, for instance, rejects these fats and they end up as inorganic fatty deposits on the heart muscle itself.

Chemically processed fats are not water-soluble when bound to protein. They end up blocking circulation, damage heart action, inhibit cell renewal and impede the free flow of blood and lymph fluids. The bio-electrical action in these areas slows down and may become completely paralyzed. The entire organism shows a measurable loss of electrical energy which is replenished only by adding active lipids to the diet. These nutritional fats are truly vital for man and beast alike.

Science has proven that fats play an important role in the functioning of the entire body. Fats (lipids) are vital for all growth processing, renewal of cells, brain and nerve functions, even for the sensory organs (eyes and ears), and for the body's adjustment to heat, cold and quick temperature changes. Our energy resources are based on lipid metabolism. To function efficiently, cells require true polyunsaturated, live electron-rich lipids, present in abundance in raw flaxseed oil. True polyunsaturated fats greedily absorb proteins and oxygen and pump them through the system.

Lipids are only water-soluble and free-flowing when bound to protein; thus the importance of protein-rich cottage cheese. When high quality, electron-rich fats are combined with proteins, the electrons are protected until the body requires energy. This energy source is then fully and immediately available to the body on demand, as nature intended.

Proven Benefits Still Pouring In

Since Dr. Johanna Budwig's findings on the benefits of flaxseed oil have been widely publicized, scientists around the world have eagerly jumped on the bandwagon. Studies conducted using flaxseed oil on numerous disorders have been pouring in from all over the world, showing impressive results, including anti-tumor activity, increased metabolism, greatly boosted immune system, reduced cholesterol levels, normalized blood pressure levels and inhibition of cancer cell growth. Books research reports, articles and testimonials abound, all touting the healthy benefits achieved by supplementing the diet with organic, raw, cold-pressed flaxseed oil with low-fat cottage cheese. Dr. Budwig's research was based on using the ratio of 2 tablespoons flaxseed oil mixed with one-quarter cup of low fat cottage cheese.

Backed with all this extensive research, the indisputable fact is: Supplementing your diet daily with flaxseed oil combined with sulphurated proteins could very well be the most important thing you do for yourself every day.

A top European cancer research scientist, Dr Johanna Budwig, has

discovered a totally natural formula that not only protects against the

development of cancer but people all over the world who have been diagnosed

with incurable cancer and sent home to die have actually been cured and now

lead normal healthy lives.

After three decades of research Dr. Budwig, sixtime nominee for the Nobel

Award, found that the blood of seriously ill cancer patients was always,

without exception, deficient in certain important essential ingredients

which included substances called phosphatides and lipoproteins. (The blood

of a healthy person always contains sufficient quantities of these essential

ingredients. However, without these natural ingredients cancer cells grow

wild and out of control.)

Blood analysis showed a strange greenish-yellow substance in place of the

healthy red oxygen carrying hemoglobin that belongs there. This explained

why cancer patients weaken and become anemic This startling discovery led

Dr. Budwig to test her theory.

She found that when these natural ingredients where replaced over

approximately a three month period, tumors gradually receded. The strange

greenish elements in the blood were replaced with healthy red blood cells as

the phosphatides and lipoproteins almost miraculously reappeared. Weakness

and anemia disappeared and life energy was restored. Symptoms of cancer,

liver dysfunction and diabetes were completely alleviated.

Dr. Budwig then discovered an all natural way for people to replace those

essential ingredients their bodies so desperately needed in their daily

diet. By simply eating a combination of just two natural and delicious

foods not only can cancer be prevented but in case after case it was

actually cured. (These two natural foods, organic flax seed oil & cottage

cheese) must be eaten together to be effective since one triggers the

properties of the other to be released.)

After more than 10 years of solid clinical application, Dr. Budwig's natural

formula has proven successful where many orthodox remedies have failed. Dr.

Budwig's formula has been used therapeutically in Europe for prevention of:

Cancer! Arteriosclerosis, Strokes, Cardiac Infarction, Heartbeat

(irregular), Liver (fatty degeneration), Lungs (reduces bronchial

spasms), Intestines (regulates activity). Stomach Ulcers (normalizes

gastric juices), Prostate (hypertopic), Arthritis (exerts a favorable

influence), Eczema (assists all skin diseases), Old age (improves many

common afflictions), Brain (strenghthens activity), Immune Deficiency

Syndromes (multiple sclerosis, autoimmune illnesses)

Thousands have flocked to hear Dr. Budwig lecture all over Europe. The many

people Dr. Budwig's formula has helped testify to the benefits of her

remarkable discovery. Following are a few examples: In one of my interviews

with Dr. Budwig I was introduced to Siegried Ernst, M.D.. He is a rare and

dedicated man who counts among his personal friends the current Pope as well

as many other dignitaries.

Testimonials :

Dr. Ernst

Seventeen years ago Dr. Ernst had developed cancer for which he had

major surgery requiring removal of his stomach. Two years later he had a

recurrence of the cancer and was offered chemotherapy as the only available

remedy. There was little hope for survival as virtually all individuals with

recurrence of this type of cancer rarely last a year.

Dr. Ernst knew that chemotherapy was not only ineffective for his type of

cancer but completaly destructive of the quality of life, so he refused.

He turned to Dr. Budwig and her formula for help. He religiously followed

Dr. Budwig's formula and fifteen years later has not had any recurrence of

cancer. As a matter of fact he seemed to me to be in perfect health and is

tireless for a man in his late seventies.

Maria W.

Maria W. tells her story in her own words: "I was told by the most expert of

doctors that I would have to be operated on to cut out the cancerous tumor

that was causing a swelling under my eye. They explained that the size of

the tumor was much greater inside and that there was very serious bone

involvement. The malignancy was too far advanced to respond to radiation

treatment. The doctors planned to remove considerable facial tissue and

bone. I was afraid for my life, but being a young woman, couldn't bear the

thought of such disfigurement.

When I heard about Dr. Budwig's natural formula, I was skeptical but

desperate for help. After four months on this regimen, the swelling under my

left eye completely disappeared. The doctors at the University hospital gave

me many exhausting tests. One told me, 'If I didn't have your previous

x-rays and medical history in front of me, I wouldn't believe that you ever

had cancer. There is hardly any indication of a tumor remaining.' I never

thought using Dr, Budwig's formula would be so successful. My whole family

and I are very grateful."

Sandy A.

An examination of Sandy A. revealed arachnoidal bleeding due to an

inoperable brain tumor. The doctors informed Sandy that he was beyond

medical help. At his expressed wish, Sandy was discharged from the

hospital and sent home to die in peace.

A friend brought Dr. Budwig's formula to Sandy's attention. Sandy writes.

"Since I went on the Budwig regimen, the paralysis is of my eyes, arms, and

legs has receded daily. After only a short period of time, I was able to

urinate normally. My health improved so rapidly that I was soon able to

return to my work part-time. Shortly after that, I was again examined at the

Research Center and my reflexes were completely normal. The Budwig diet

saved my life! Ten years later, I was given a thorough examination at the

Center as a follow-up. My incredible recovery has been written up In many

medical journals and I have become what they call a 'textbook case,' and

all because of Dr. Johanna Budwig's simple diet."

Timmy G.

Seven years ago Timmy G. was diagnosed as having Hodgkins disease. The child

was operated on and underwent 24 radiation treatments, plus additional

experimental therapies that the experts hoped would be of some small help.

When Timmy failed to respond favorably to these heroic measures, he was

discharged as incurable, and given six months to live and sent home to die.

The desperate parents contacted specialists all over the world. A famous

newspaper took up Timmy's cause and ran editorials pleading for someone to

come forth who could offer hope for the life of a child. All the specialists

who replied confirmed the cruel prognosis: There was no hope or help for

Timmy.

At this dark hour the miracle the family had prayed for happened!

Timmy's mother told her story to the press: "A friend sent me a printed piece about one of Dr. Budwig's speeches. This material gave us hope and I contacted Dr. Budwig.

In just five days, (on the Budwig regimen) Timmy's breathing became normal

for the first lime In almost two years.

From this day on, Timmy began to feel good again. He went back to school, started swimming and by winter he was doing craft work. Everyone who knows him says how well he looks." At age 18 Timmy is showing great promise in his university work. He knows he owes his life to Dr. Budwig and thanks her daily in his prayers.

One of the two foods in on Budwig's formula, cottage cheese, is available

in nearly every grocery store in America. The other, pure organic linseed

oil, however comes primarily from Europe and can only be found in certain

health food stores throughout the United States.

By simply mixing these two delicious foods together and eating them you will

be providing yourself and your family with the optimal preventive

nutritional protection against cancer and other disease.

Today, fresh expeller pressed flaxseed oil is available in most countries in the world, including USA and Europe.

Books to read:

"Flax Oil As a True Aid Against Arthritis Heart Infarction Cancer and Other Diseases"

by Johanna Dr. Budwig

Amazon Price: $5.56

Read more about this title...

"The Breuss Cancer Cure" : Advice for the Prevention and Natural Treatment of Cancer, Leukemia and Other Seemingly Incurable Diseases

by Rudolf Breuss Amazon Price : $11.00

"A Cancer Therapy" : Results of Fifty Cases and the Cure of Advanced Cancer by Diet Therapy : A Summary of 30 Years of Clinical Experimentation

by M. Max Gerson Amazon Price: $24.95

Read more about this title...

Flax Oil by Dr Budwig

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0969527217/9789-9510244-200272

http://www.oxytherapy.com/mail-archive/oct96/165.html

Flax Oil and Cancer -A Tape Transcription by Clifford Beckwith

http://www.public.usit.net/spinner/Flax1.html

Links to Other Flaxseed Oil & Health Sites

http://www.public.usit.net/spinner/Flaxlink.html

Dr. Budwig and The Healing Power of Flaxseed (Commercial site)

http://www.barleans.com/budwig.html

Essential Fatty Acids for Kids Superimmunity

http://www.healthychild.com/efa.htm

Flaxseed and the Immune System @ http://www.flaxcouncil.ca/flaxnut16.htm

The Importance of Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Adults and Children

http://www.flaxcouncil.ca/flaxnut11.htm

Essential Fatty Acids: Are You Deficient In These Key Nutrients?

http://www.barleans.com/deficient.html

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Cancer & Nutrition Articles

http://drcranton.com/nutrition.htm Nutrition In The News

Diet

Gerson

http://www.gerson.com/history.html

http://www.1999.com/gerson/

http://www.gerson.com/cnb104.html

http://gerson.org/booklist.html#acancertherapy

Gerson Institute http://www.gerson.org/index.html

I am sorry to hear that Astrid is having her seizures again. I thought she was doing wonderful being on the oil, maybe something else set it off? Wish I could be of help to you. I will be praying for your Family and for Astrid. Cynthia

These chatlists have a few common trends. On each list, there is a faction
that "believes" something, and is intolerant of disbelief and dissension.
There's a small faction that, more or less, question what is believed; and
there's a middle ground composed of people, more or less, open to either
side, but not inclined to engage in disputes.
When the state of a dispute over the substantive issues, degrades into
personal attack and name-calling, I usually leave. No one should have to
apologize for anything they say on these lists, out of sincere belief or
disbelief. I only object if the "believers" or the "dis-believers" have an
unspoken, undisclosed agenda. If you enter a group, and, having explored
its ideas, find yourself in genuine disagreement with aspects of what you're
hearing, why shouldn't you be able to openly explore these doubts, with
others on the list?
People that are "spreading the word," about something they believe to be
beyond argument or dissent, should make that impatience with dissent, clear
at the outset, before new members come on board.
By the same token, the "believers" have a right to their chatlist, without
having to tolerate troublemakers, whose primary intent is to disrupt, and
not to interract cooperatively with other listers.
These problems are made easier to deal with, if we keep our individual, and
group, goals and agendas, above board.

This article from NYTimes.com
has been sent to you by dbates3809@....
Never thought I'd see the day when this would
appear in the Sunday New York Times.
dorothy
dbates3809@...
/

From what I understand, the main benefit of cottage cheese is the sulphur
proteins it contains.
Companion Nutrients are supposed to be a satisfactory substitute for the CC.
HOWEVER, reading the label of a jar of Companion Nutrients, I find no sulphur
proteins whatsoever! It does have a little zinc sulfate, but I doubt that is a
sulphur protein.
The label does say "EFA's Companion Nutrients Complex provide the right ratio of
specific nutrients required to fully utilize EFA (Essential Fatty Acids)." But
I don't really have any reason to trust a label.
Lacking sulphur proteins, how can Companion Nutrients serve as a proper
substitute for cottage cheese?
Thanks, Larry

I've just re-read this to see how I could have given the impression that
I'm
a) Anti Budwig
b) Trying to present an alternative protocol
I've invited the input of other list members to see if I've made errors.
I've been on here a few weeks now and nothing's comprehensive has been
offered on the actual protocol, or if it has would someone please mail me a
copy?
Jeffrey
I've heard from one list member that I've outstayed my welcome, and one is
suggesting this sort of post is unhelpful?
If I get some further requests to leave, then so be it.
I've spent 3 hours this morning culling the "essence" from the Diet
Cookbook. I have to say that the way the material is presented doesn't
make it straightforward. I've also added in some "primary evidence", from
people who've met Budwig.
IThe recipes in the book are Germanic. I didn't realise how nationalistic
the Euro cuisines can be. Silly me. If Budwig had been Italian and all
the recipes were Italian I wouldn't have given it a second thought.
These are starter-thoughts and I would appreciate the input of other list
members. Particularly our German members who can help with anecdotes and
translations.
The source is *The Oil Protein Diet Cookbook*. Dr Johanna Budwig, Apple
Publishing Co, ISBN 0-9694272-2-5.
3 DO'S (Apart from buying and reading the book).
*EAT*
Breakfast on *Meusli*. (See recipe below).
Lunch on steamed vegetables with *Spread* (See recipe below). Play up
rice/buckwheat/millet and play down potatoes. Also salad with
*Dressing* or *Mayo*. (See recipes below).
Dine on steamed vegetables with *Spread* (See recipe below). Play up
rice/buckwheat/millet and play down potatoes. Also salad with
*Dressing* or *Mayo* (See recipes below).
Snack on hard cheese and veg dippers (radish, celery, carrot sticks etc)
when peckish.
Snack on nuts, especially walnuts and brazils.
"Enjoy" at least 100g of *Cream" each day as a drink/dip or whatever
takes your fancy.
*DRINK*
Home made freshly pressed vegetables and fruits all day.
A small glass of Kraut Juice (or buttermilk) morning and evening.
(German list members please help here).
Drink wine at any time from mid-day onwards. Still or sparkling, but
avoid Sulphur Dioxide in the wine [not declared on labels] (So use organic
if possible).
*TAN*
Get in the sun as much as possible to activate the healing effects of
the flax seed oil.
---
3 DON'TS
1. Avoid Chemo and Radiotherapy if you can as this works against The BP
(The Budwig Protocol).
2. Avoid butter and other spreads during the illness/recovery period.
Also avoid meat if you can. Avoid added sugar. Naturally occuring sugar
(e.g. honey/sucrose in fruit etc) is OK.
3. Avoid preservatives as these prevent oxygen entering the system. (Read
the labels)
THE THREE *PRODUCTS*
*SPREAD* (Oleo-lox)
To be substituted for all fatty spreads, during the illness/recovery
period.
Can be made ahead of time and kept in the fridge.
250g Coconut Oil
1 x small onion - sliced
10 garlic cloves, peeled but left whole
125 ml freshly pressed flax seed oil - very cold.
Fry the onion gently in the coconut oil until slightly brown. (Approx 15
mins). Add the garlic and fry gently for a further 3 minutes. Strain the
hot mix into the very cold flax seed oil. Cover and keep in the fridge.
Use in place of butter and other fatty spreads.
Linomel (tm)
As a component of Mueslo, or as a "toffee" snack at any time.
The word Linomel (tm) refers to a process of grinding flax seeds through
honey coated rollers. It's is proprietary to Dr J Budwig.
Here is a substitute recipe.
1 serving.
2 x 15 spoons (3 Tablespoons) Cracked Flax Seeds
2 x 15 ml spoons (3 Tablespoons) Dried Milk Powder
Honey to taste
*MEUSLI*
2 X 15 ml spoons (2 Tablespoons) Cracked Flax Seeds. (Budwig's preferred
way of cracking is to use honey coated rollers to prevent oxidation) in
which case the product is referred to as Linomel (tm).
5 x 15 mls spoons (5 Tablespoons) rolled oats.
5 x 15 ml spoons (4 Tablespoons) fresh fruit.
1 helping *Cream* (See recipe).
1 x Tablespoon Honey.
Mix cracked flax seeds with oats, top with fruit and top this with *Cream"
and top this with honey. Eat for breakfast, or as a snack at any time.
*CREAM* (Flax Seed Oil/Protein Mix) The Essence of The Budwig Protocol
Must always be made freshly for each meal/snack.
1 helping
5 x 15 ml spoons freshly pressed flax seed oil. (Only use a good
supplier).
100g Dense Cultured Milk Protein e.g. Quark, cottage cheese, strained very
low fat yoghurt, very low fat cream cheese.
2 x 15 ml spoons (2 x Tablespoons) Milk
Blend the oil into the milk protein, add a little milk to get the desired
texture.
Use as you would thick cream. Add fruit and more milk to make a shake, or
add savoury things to make a dip/spread. Don't heat. If you don't like
the flavour of the flax seed oil your supply may be rancid, make sure it's
freshly pressed. And if you still don't like the flavour, then servit it
very cold ... cold kills taste!
Eat at least 1 helping per day. Step up to 3 helpings if you can. There
is no maximum!
*MAYO*
1 helping
Make fresh each time.
2 x 15 ml spoons (2 Tablespoons) freshly pressed flax seed oil (Only use a
good supplier).
2 x 15 mls spoons (2 Tablespoons) Dense Cultured Milk Prdotein e.g. Quark,
cottage cheese, strained very low fat yoghurt, very low fat cream cheese.
2 x 15 ml spoons (2 Tablespoons) freshly sqeezed lemon juice/lime juice or
cider vinegar.
Season with mustard/herbs/salt to taste.
*DRESSING*
1 helping
1 x 15 ml spoon (2 tablespoons) freshly pressed flax seed oil (Only use a
good supplier).
1 x 15 ml spoon (2 Tablespoons) Dense Cultured Milk Prdotein e.g. Quark,
cottage cheese, strained very low fat yoghurt, very low fat cream cheese.
1 x 15 ml spoon (2 Tablespoons) freshly sqeezed lemon juice/lime juice or
cider vinegar.
Thin with milk to get a dressing texture.
Season with mustard/herbs/salt.
"Jeffrey Hyman" <jhyman@...

Hi Lisa,
I posted this, re: Dr. Johanna Budwig, a few days ago but have noticed it
did not get through to you, so it is being posted again. I`m sure Wilhelm
will also send something good. Thanks and best, Mike Cinelli
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Hi Lisa and Astrid,
12/29/01
Your poignant story has been repeated countless times worldover. You are to
be commended for your attempts to get your child well. All of us parents
know what you are going through with questions, traveling to doctors`s
offices, hospitals, medicines etc. Whether the Dr. Johanna Budwig protocol
can help Astrid (and your whole family) is up to you to tell us once you
have tried it for a short while. We will wait for your input with bated
breath!
The Dr. Udo Erasmus book is a good start to become familar with fatty Acid/
oils etc. I have his 1986 edition called then "Fats and Oils." ( It may be
different from his later addition because he seems to have changed
direction, from the accounts of others). Dr. Mary Enig is another source to
explore. She is an American Bio-Chemist and has done recent research on fats
and oils. You can access her via the Internet.
However, the books I rely on the most for a direct approach to the subject
are, Dr. Johanna Budwig`s, "FlaxOil As A True Aid Against Arthritis, Heart
Infarction, Cancer, And Other Diseases", and her " The Oil Protein Diet
Cookbook." The first book is a series of three lectures she has given in
Europe for a better understanding to the germaine questions facing all of us
in health. She points out where, why and how to get onto excellent health.
It is a prize book for a short but comperhensive approach to knowing the
real issues on why our health has deteriorated and what we can do simlpy to
regain it.
The "Oil_Protein Diet Cookbook" has over 500 recipes of how to get back on
the road to good health by using nutrition, Flaxseed Oil, and other
products, for the very ill, the moderately ill and those who want
preventive measures. A change in eating lifestyles is essential.
Both books are gems and are readily available from better bookstores,
internet ordering, or, from Barlean`s Organic Oils, 4936 Lake Terrell
Road, Ferndale, Washington, USA 98248. You can access their website from the
Internet and pick up a wealth of information including full contact
information. I found that Barlean`s offers the books at the lowest prices
anywhere, although the copies in other places are under US10 each. These
books are "must have "books for those interested to get on the way to better
health and for understanding about the Omega 3 dificiency we are all
suffring from, including children.
The list members here are very open although we have come under attack and
infiltrated by allopathic/scientific sources, recently. However, the list
members have been fooled before by those very sources, and that is the
reason for the list...to explore the alternative approach to good health by
using Flaxsed Oil, and the Dr. Johanna Budwig`s combination of Flaxseed Oil
and low fat (sugarless) Quark/ Cottage Cheese/ Yoghurt, depending on what is
available in your area.I am sure you will get other input and viewpoints
from the list. By the way, the archives will keep you busy for a long time!.
Good luck and the best of health to you, your daughter and family,
Mike Cinelli
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Hi,
I am sure that there are technical discussions here that I will never
understand.
It is not that I have difficulty learning. I have a Graduate Minor in
Biology from Kent State University [quite a while ago] but most of my work
was in Education with a number of majors due to time in College during WW II
that I would otherwise not have spent.
My mind is too tired to try to learn all those things now and it is not of
great concern to me.
Last week I had a Christmas card from a man whom I had met over six years
ago. He had had a prostectomy in 1991 and the PCa had apparantly already
metastasized. It was causing problems when we met and I shared the evidence
concerning flax oil.
He began to use it and had good success for some time. He did not follow
any particular diet and I am sure that, like I did, he did not avoid sugar,
meat etc. etc. I did not realize at the time the dietary needs to fight
cancer. A couple of years ago the PSA was again rising and approached 19.
He didn't want Lupron and turned to PC-SPES. The PSA is now .5.
We reestablished contact and yesterday my wife and I had a delightful visit
with him and his wife.
Part of the time we discussed strategies for the future.
However, what interested me is that he has made tapes for other people and
has seen interesting things.
On an impulse he stopped at a restaurant a year ago. The owner had Lymphoma
and had had some surgery but was in trouble. Phil gave him a tape. He
stopped in at the same place recently and the man was delighted to see him.
He is doing great with the use of Flaxseed oil.
Phil is a native of Turkey and recently spent several months there, as he
has from time to time with his family. He has made tapes and distributed
them there and folks have gotten well from the use of Flax Oil. He said
that in at least part of Turkey this approach is getting known.
He spends summers in Tennessee and about 4 months each year in a Condo at
Daytona FL. He has made tapes for people there with cancer and some are
using the Flax Oil and recovering. Details??
I don't have them. All I know is that Phil is enthusiastic with the
knowledge that those with which he has shared tapes and are using it are
recovering.
We left there home much encouraged. This is the bottom line. This is what
counts.
Cliff

I'm sorry to say that Astrid's seizures have returned - she had
a cluster of 3 yesterday and perhaps 3-4 through the night. I
will continue with the flax though and look into possible factors
in this set back. I am supplementing the flax oil with 200iu vit
e per day, looking into perhaps adding another anti-oxidant. I
also have some taurine but am unsure how much to give and
what other supplements need to go with it. She is on a liquid
multi-vit so that can only help. I'll keep you all updated.
Thanks for your kind words.
Lisa

Excellent post below Mike.

I really believe Jeffrey would be much happier and more in tune with the philosophy of Mike Martin's web site. Perhaps those two newbies would be able to feed off each others scientific bent and let us get back to the basics of helping those coming here to improve their health and away from all this silly nonsense Jeffrey is so concerned with. Who cares what Dr. Budwig would have prescribed if she was Italian, French, Danish or Polish. How utterly silly. Who cares but someone as immature as Jeffrey. Certainly not someone with a serious illness on their deathbed.

We have what HAS WORKED for 50 years and these newbies still are trying to "reinvent the wheel". For what purpose? To have others bet their lives on THEIR theories, THEIR analysis and THEIR assumptions? That is ludicrous! They sure as hell aren't betting their own lives on using THEIR alternative protocols. That is their right, however. I don't believe they have the right to propose an alternative protocol in this forum. That's why I fought Mike Martin and why I am so pleased you are fighting Jeffrey.

Who gives a damn about Ricotta cheese or Philadelphia cream cheese. You can tell by his posts he has never even made Dr. Budwig's mixture with cottage cheese. If he did, he did so improperly as it is NOT lumpy but as smooth as pudding or mayonnaise. Next thing, these newbies will be posting their theories as facts to new people coming here and people may die as a result of all the confusion.

They are not here to LEARN about Dr. Budwig, but to challenge her and with all their irrelevant posts destroy this forum and its intended purpose. Maybe Jeffrey can find some of his family members and friends with cancer or other life-threatening problems that will let him practice on them.

Jeffrey sounds like a little boy with a new toy to play with until he gets tired of it and moves to his next toy. He must believe he is entertaining us with his incessant posts that have little or nothing of value to someone coming here for help.

Perhaps if everyone just ignores him, as most have done, instead of responding to him, he will seek Mike Martin's site and they can go on with their "scientific" approach to flaxseed and Dr. Budwig.

With due respect to Mike Martin, he seems to have seen the light of the purpose of this forum and his posts of late have been informational rather than as challenges to Dr. Budwig's ideas.

With Cliff, you and I and others here, we will prevail and restore sanity here.

Regards,

NHY

Jeff :

Whats this? I can't open it.

Mike Martin

Greg,
I have read enough of your posts here and on the the other list that
I know pretty much where you are coming from. While I agree with
most of what you are contributing with your posts, and certainly
respect your knowledge, I have some problems when it comes to the
subject of EFAs and the Budwig dietary approach.
help to destroy cancer cell membranes.<<
You are taking that healing process and explain it in way that suits
your general theory. While this may sound like a logical
explanation to some, from what I have read, and how I understand it,
this is not how Dr.Budwig sees it. She sees it as a re-establishment
of cellular respiration which had ceased in the cancer cell. The
flaxseed oil and quark contains the essential fatty acids (EFAs) and
sulphurated proteins which (mixed) together are required to achieve
this.
god good health.<<
If you are referring to the intake levels of EFAs (which I think you
are) I agree conditionally. But I would find it is more appropriate
to rephrase this to something like: 'The level of EFAs you eat to
cure cancer is not what you need when you are in good health.'
I also take Vit E? NO.<<
This is a very interesting point because I read something similar on
a german website a while ago, but could not get this confirmed
anywhere. What it said there (paraphrased) is that high dosis of
antioxidants interfere with the process of re-establishing cellular
respiration.
Wilhelm

http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe

If you choose to look at it in black and white terms, you may reach
that conclusion. But that is not how it is. We expose ourselves to
many carcinogens every day - knowingly or not - and we are not all
dead.
It is a good practise however, to reduce or eliminate carinogens as
they are identified, but it is not always practical or possible.
Trytophan is a good example. Since it is an amino acid it will be
coming at us in different foods and I am sure it is required for
certain bodily functions. But since it is identified as
carcinogenic, one can reduce it's intake in certain instances. If
you consider the context in which this quote was given (i.e. using
ricotta as a substitute for quark in the Budwig diet) you see one
such instance. That is not to say that trytophan can or should be
totally eliminated in all instances. I see it more as a matter of
the right balance or proportion with other nutrients. Even quark,
after the whey is drained off, still has some tryptophan left..
You may doubt the validity of this research by Dr.Peat. That's fair.
After all nobody is always right. In that case you may want to
debate it with him. I would love to watch it on the sidelines.
Wilhelm

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HI Jeffery,Newbies and all,
Thanks for your viewpoint. I agree that people on the list should respond to
what they would to be included in messages or direction. I am by no means
the only person on this list nor do I purport to speak for the list
members. What I post is usually in answer to someone`s questions/comments or
something I feel is in everybody`s interest.
.
Yes, you are also correct when you say that I often suggest that people read
Dr. Johanna Budwig`s only two books, translated into English so far, for
more information.[ She has written 11 books /works in all, according to my
last information.] Many people seem to be searching for some quick answers
on ways to improving their failed health, and Dr. Budwig certainly gives the
shortest and most authorative answers so far, in my opimion. Again, my
suggestion to read the books is to bring the person to a level to understand
natural ways to regain lost health or to maintain a healthy lifestyle. You
must admit that the allopathic/scientific groups are not natural but for the
most part based on synthetic drugs, including chemotherapy, and on
radiation and surgery. What is disturbing is that many people do not
understand that there are other ways to good health besides these. You will
find that most of the list members have been through the allopathic path and
have rejected it for a compendium of valid reasons. However, if one chooses
to go that route, so be it. Dr. Budwig has been termed alternative by those
communities even if I don`t agree with that label.
As far as my being confrontational, perhaps there may be an element of
truth to it especially when I feel that this "alternative medicine list" is
being infiltrated by or infected by allopathic/ scientific individuals who
try to deride Dr. Johanna Budwig and her protocols. Anyone can do that if
he/she chooses but there will not be may takers on this list because most of
the people have been negatively affected by the allopathic/scientific
community and have shied away from them. This list is an oasis for them,
and, Dr. Budwig certainly offers hope for people where the
allopathic/scientific communities have failed. If you take umbridge with
this statement, I can easily understand that since not everyone shares my
viewpoint, especially those involved directly or indirectly with those
groups.You may or may not fit into these categories and I am not suggesting
that you do. However, I must re-emphasize that most of the list members are
seeking hope and a successful protocol, not academic questions and answers.
Having said that, any news or reports done by you or anybody else would be
welcomed once they have conducted their own research and have proven that
their way works better than what Dr. Budwig has accomplished. Is this
confrontational? I think not. It`s just a very pragmatic approach to the
question of health. Many latecomers will want to scrape what Dr. Budwig has
done and put into place something not yet proven. As Cliff Beckwith aptly
pointed out, ( Paraphrazing: When their research can stand up to thirty
years of trail like Dr. Budwig`s, then perhaps many people will listen.)..
As I once said, You can knock out the lights but what will you replace them
with? (Lights means Dr. Budwig`s protocols.) Again, until people have
something tangible with which to "cure" themselves of their affliction(s),
other than the allopathic /scientific approaches which have repeatedly
disappointed people, and have sent many others to an early grave, little
solace will be given, at least by me.
Further, there are some people who wish to confuse the list members, both
past and present, by introducing scientific jargon, past stories and
unrelated material. All or some of this may be interesting, but how does it
help those who are ill and only want answers because their condition is in
a serious state? Do academic prolemics, discussions and banter help them?
Dr. Budwig`s protocol has helped many people, most of whom were given up as
hopeless by their allopathic pratitioners after they had "done all they
could." Is this statement confrontational? I think not. Just focused.
Lastly, if you want to conduct scientific evaluations of Dr. Budwig`s
protocols, it might be prudent for you to give her the rspect she is due. By
using "JB", or provoking fun at her, (paraphrasing: What does being
nominated for seven Nobel Prizes mean?) does not set right with some people
( me for instance) and only detracts from the real purpose of this group.By
the way, her "Flaxoil As A True Aid Against Arthritis, Heart Infarction,
Cancer, and Other Diseases" does not have 3 "planks" as you stated;...
"Other Diseases" easily dispels that. This seems to be a bit disrespectful
in the way it is presented . Perhaps I have misread or misunderstood your
words, and if so, I apologize for this... Dr. Budwig gave a series of 3
lectures in Europe and put them together in a booklet which will give any
person, allopathic, scientific, or layman, an excellent orientation to
crucial issues of maintaining or regaining one`s health. It should be
acknowledged that it is an excellent work. By stating that her "The Oil
Protein Cookbook" is German oriented in the types of foods she suggests, is
correct but she wrote that book in a period when germay was recovering from
World War Two and "Internationalism" was not yet the "Buzz Word." . The
foods she mentioned are all available and even her own proprietary items can
be made or obtained from Germany, if one wants them. The original copyright
for the "CookBook" book dates back to 1952, and the English translation
dates back to 1994.
It has been pointed out before that there are other lists more appropriate
for the scientific research oriented person, and no one is stopping anyone
from investigating or joining those lists and reporting back to this list.
Since you are a person involved with RHM( Rank, Hovis, Dougall), the UK
biggest producer of bread and surrounded by hundreds of scientists, I can
easily understand your desre to follow an approach other than what is termed
in the USA as anecdotal. As you well know, Dr. Budwig is deadly against
using hydrogenated oils as almost all food processors do today to the
detriment of people`s health. As an academic question by me, how does your
company answer the use of these oils since most bakeries use hydrogentaed
oils, as well as other food processing ingredients, many of which she warns
us about in her books? This is not meant to be confrontational but a genuine
question....One interesting other question is the use of GMO ( Genetically
Modified Organisms) foods You know my position, since you already stated it
in an e-mail, but t would be interesting to know yours since Monsanto seems
to be pressing UK bakeries and food processors to use their GMO wheat and
flour, etc. Again, this is academic on my side...
But why should we even be discussing these matters? If I annoy you, and you
want to get confrontational with me and/or any member on the list, I cannot
stop you and it certainly is your prerogative. However, I do not see myself
as