Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Dr. Budwig's books

2006-09-30 23:21:54

Once again Greg, that source was in my original post. ;-)
Be forewarned, this is the edition published by Barlean's (a Flaxseed
oil marketer). So they have an ad in there which someone with the
initials MM found to be offensive and demeaning to the quality of her
work. However they sell this book for US $2.95 and US $1.95 for those
with cancer. So they are not getting rich on it.
For those wishing more information, here are links to Barlean's, an
excellent source for flaxseed oil information as well as a good source
to purchase flaxseed oil and also Dr. Budwig's primary book, "Flax Oil
as a True Aid Against Arthritis, Heart Infarction, Cancer and Other
Diseases." This book is available there for a couple of dollars for
those with cancer while it is only $2.95 for those without cancer.
Cancer patients may purchase Flaxseed oil there and from other sources
at a discount.
http://www.barleans.com/ - Oil purchase and research articles of oil,
etc.
http://www.barleans.com/products/books.html - Books
Regards,
NHY

BOOKS

2006-09-30 14:50:51

DR. BUDWIG'S BOOKS CAN BE BOUGHT FROM BARLEANS FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO OR THREE DOLLARS EACH.

What two books?..all of them

2006-09-30 14:25:20

I will read whatever I can get my hands on..that has been mentioned that Doc.Budwig wrote, or someone narrated for her which ever//and the two books mentioned are they of recent writings. Flax Oil As a true Aid Against.. and The Oil protein Diet Cookbook?etc

I prefer the library if they are any in the states in English translations..If not I'd like to borrow them from someone over a period of time and then send them back when I'm finished. ( I am a fast reader), but will want to take notes, or maybe read it out loud on tape for further reference during the winter months when I get snowed in ) Please notify me privately so we don't get to far off topic here. Thanks

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Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Yeah get us all a book or two
Anybody read these books on (Doctor Budwig)? Or have a copy they could loan me? Are they in the Library..if so I'll go
get them to read..and then give my 2-cents worth..if not, maybe someone will kindly send me a copy to borrow too.
Hi Judy or Mel (which one?),
Don't think they would have made it to a Aussie library.
Greg

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Yeah get us all a book or two

2006-09-30 00:29:06

Anybody read these books on (Doctor Budwig)? Or have a copy they could loan me? Are they in the Library..if so I'll go get them to read..and then give my 2-cents worth..if not, maybe someone will kindly send me a copy to borrow too.

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Dr. Budwig's books

2006-09-29 20:52:44

Hi All,
Seems Dr. Budwig has at least two books on the go:
1) Flax Oil As a True Aid Against Arthritis Heart Infarction Cancer and Other
Diseases -- by Johanna Dr. Budwig;
2) The Oil Protein Diet Cookbook -- by Johanna Dr. Budwig; Paperback
Anybody read these books? Or have a copy they could loan me?
========================
Good Health & Long Life,
Greg Watson

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Problems....

2006-09-29 14:09:20

To the Group...

Cottage Cheeese and Curd..and Quark

2006-09-29 13:55:52

Michigan Brand Cottage Cheese was developed in 1929 by a German immigrant in Michigan. He produced what is called "Old Fashioned" or "Farmers" cheese. This cottage cheese is very dry and small curded. Because the product is so dry it will have a longer shelf life than other cottage cheeses. Michigan Brand Cottage cheese is excellent for cooking and is a great replacement for ricotta cheese in lasagna.

Translations English to german Cottage Cheeses is: Landhaus Käse or Country house cheese and Quark is called CURD. Does this help you..and this might be high-spaking German and not the low..

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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Where is the Lignans..??

2006-09-29 09:32:00

Miz Judy :

Thats one of the things that have been bothering me regarding oil - LIGNANS. There is no real practical way to add the lignans back into the oil. Simply stated, lignans are fiber. The lignans are contained in the "meat" of the seed. Lignans contain one of the great benefits of flax, SDG (secoisolariciresinol diglycoside). Lignans are phytoestrogens (beneficial against cancer). Also present in lignans is ALA (alpha linolenic acid) which also plays a role in cancer prevention. Its been shown that at the most, some flax seed oil may be only 2% lignans, barely any at all. There also exists no standardized method for lignan extract so basically its impossible to know how much lignans have been added back.

Best Regards.

Mike Martin

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Flaxseed and oil/reply

2006-09-29 02:22:07

What is Hope seed? I've missed this one somewhere along the way...
Dr.B.
Greg Watson wrote:
"Other sources from my report state the Hemp oil and Hope seed oil, which are
now becoming widely used are on many tables
at meal time."
Also, Greg, do you work for Omega?
Dr.B.

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Story Time

2006-09-28 13:25:19

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Re: [FlaxSeedOil] Digest Number 688

2006-09-28 12:04:17

Hi Cliff,
With regards to Achim; could you prevail on Achim to tell us the intimate
details of Quark?
Is Cottage Cheese sold in Germany under its English label?
For reference; Cottage cheese is made in the USA by letting milk sour in a
warm place with or without a culture, later the hard part; the curd is
removed and drained in "cheese cloth" and the liquid or whey discarded,
then seasoning, preservative, fruit, vegetable or cream may be added.
Is Quark made from non-fat milk,
Is Quark made from raw milk,
Is Quark made from just milk or is a culture added?
Is anything added after the curd separated? Such as cream.
Does Achim remember the story about Schiller and Cottage cheese? He
Schiller as a boy sought some Quark going from farm to farm and tasting it
before buying a pennies worth as a treat.?
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trouble with taste tests is that they're so subjective

2006-09-28 04:04:50

Seems to me that the old third grade blindfold taste test was to teach us
that we each may have different taste buds.
Grandma loved buttermilk, I can not stand it. I like coconut, friend K
can not stand it.
and ask to smell the Linseed oil. It would be interesting if you both
think it smells the same. Or just heat a little flax oil to 400 degrees
F. Be careful.
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Thanks for Story Hour

2006-09-27 22:20:26

Fenris Wolf Thanks for your story time and the Children being healed by the Blue light, or by the Virgin Mary..It also proves that by faith we are able to accomplish a lot for ourselves and for others..And Cliff you are another remarkable man, that is not ashamed to speak out about what God has done for you..But if you feel you've spoken wrongly on the list all is forgiven I'm sure.But think of it this way..God might have wanted this said..and you had nothing whatsoever to do about sending to the wrong parties.. Now I know we are not set up here to discuss religion..so I STOP! But once in awhile we need good story hours..it really took the gloom out of my busy day.

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Let us roll up our sleeves

2006-09-27 12:15:02

I also sent this letter to a few people personally, but think it should also be said here as well..And I hope not to step out of bounds on on to many toes..

Is there a chance that maybe someone on this list or someone you may know, could go to Germany and visit with this Doctor Budwig, and maybe be able to find out all we need to know. Or maybe rake up the monies to send someone willing to set up an interview with Doctor Budwig..etc..

I wished I had the knowledge to go myself, just to talk to her, from a doctor or a scientist view..But us little laymen, would need to be trained to do this wouldn't we.? But here I sit out here, like so many others on the list, wanting to know all we can learn, in order to help yourself and someone else get well.

WE certainly need to wake up the world, and let people know, that there is ways to cure by using Flaxseed oil or the flaxseed itself, or anything else we may be using,,that we have proven to ourselves is working....but like everybody is saying "Where is the proof? Certain things work or they don't work."

I also wonder how much Doc.Budwig, would really tell us..fearing she'd be sued if she speaks out to much. Do you suppose she is working on a book, or has a book ready to publish after she dies? I would have no idea what the real purpose would be for her not talking to somebody; if she could trust us after we arrived at her door, unless to be of protection to herself and the lab-clinic right now. But put yourself into her shoes..I'd be petrified of anyone, even on this list ,if you showed up knocking on my door, and I knew nothing about you, in the first place, or your reasons for coming. No we need to send someone she might be familiar with already. Does anyone know if she even reads this list? And if not, than how can we get her to know we exist? Maybe she doesn't realize there are people out here talking like this behind her back..(oh she is bound to know probably more than we think).

And are we thinking about doing something positive, or just rattling in the negative? Are we really going to get things here rolling..or keep on thinking a miracle will take place, and it will happen on its' own? Okay, my question.." who has some PUSH on this list..and Who can get a few doors to open?" Cliff hang in there..we may be getting somewhere.

Thanks for all you, that are so kindly sharing.. But we should be doing and learning from each other. I know some people sit back and say nothing, but they are listening, reading and thinking. I also know we have people on the list that are so confused right now they don't know which is up or down.

STOP to think, we have some people in their world, that can't read nor write ,so they depend on others to be their mind-thinkers. There are some people so vulnerable, they will believe or disbelieve anyone, or anything being sent cross this board. And pointing fingers, or using False documents, and propaganda are something we should not take lightly either. As for myself I want more than Hearsay..I want to see facts right under my nose. I want to get to know, very well the person (s) I'm dealing with. And sometimes this is very hard over Email. It is like the blind leading the blind. Let me give you a quick example how I nearly lost a career opportunity..because I didn't trust anyone I didn't know.

I had been doing dress designing for formal wear, which meant drafting patterns and putting together one of a kind garments, for my own home-shope' apparel.Someone seen my work mentioned in a local newspaper; and sent me a letter to design for them a Gown for their Design School..and work on the layouts for a new updated book to be used by other students. I laughed and tossed the letter into a waste basket, fearing it was a hoax.
Later that month .I received a person to person phone call ( no computers back in the 1950's-60.) This woman, a lot younger than I, wanted me to design for their school, a garment , which she would even furnish the $50.00 yard, material for some model to wear, and a model I could choose out of hundreds to walk down a runway in. ( I have it I think on the web somewhere ) I kept putting her off, only because I didn't know her.But she kept calling me telling me she had a deadline. ( make story short.. . If I didn't do this for her now, then the opportunity would go to another lady on her list.) So one day here comes this package, with all the fabric, right down to the thread and sewing machine needles.) And enough drafting paper to keep me a year designing patterns. She demanded sketches be sent, of exactly what I'd be making. I sweated working day and night. My house became a shambled mess. I had sewing gear laying all over the house, till there was nowhere to sit or eat.)
Even had the beds covered in fabric and drafting papers. I knew what she needed, but it was a nervous wrecking moment, under the circumstances. " What if I went to all this work to find out someone else was making a mint off my hard work.." I also knew in life sometimes we have to take a chance..loose or win, we have got to stick out neck forward and get the nose out of the air. ( the day arrived for my reward..a lot more than I had ever expected..and My career flourished right along with it.) I was automatically drafted into their school..and it happen so quickly I was not really ready for it.

So today..opportunity is here..lets jump in and lets take it, by force and demands, if necessary. Setting up a meeting if need be so do it, and roll up our sleeves and wrok.. But first- lets get the people sitting at the Round-Table..working together, with no arguments.. while some of us still have air-to-breath, and some wits about us to work and make the ball bounce. Remember after some of us are long gone, there must be others able and willing to take over. But their training must come now.

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Useing in the eyes

2006-09-27 07:55:59

Now I think Cliff brought out a good point that some people may be allergic to using it. Cliff can one take the flaxseed and maybe just put a patch on the arm, and see what that will do over night..and if they break out or it turns red and burns..Not to ever use it again. I wonder how many folks have used it now and never knew they were allergic until to late, than are the ones that write saying 'Hey man this stuff don't work." this keeps panic up, then and there, and other people reading the bad effects, now assume it is worthless..so stay away from it.

Some of us are allergic to other things, but this don't mean it won't help another person get well. I'm a very herbal person..But lately one herb, we are trying to figure out which one, causes me to sneeze-big-time. I have some here I mixed and have no idea now what I mixed together. Mel and Randy eat it and have no problem. But one of those herbs are mine. So I go back to experimenting with one at a time. So far no sneezing. I will hit the right one I'm sure, but it is going to take me awhile to figure out. Same with milk..or to much ice-cream..I get such pains in the abdomen, or headaches. I finally have limited my intake. Fact is I can live without either. Juice..forget the more acidy ones..I prefer fresh-pressed. Mel bought me fresh-squeezed from the Melrose Apple Orchard, a delicious grape juice..I really loved it and so did my gut. But when I drink grapefruits, or a mixture of orange, cranberries I hit the ceiling and feel distress for hours. Now to pills..Aspirins..(
forget those altogether) after I learned one can have eternal bleeding and eats the stomach lining, I don't want them ) but the doctor told me some pain-pills will do the same thing..it is knowing which ones..a person won't know sometimes until to late. Arthritis medications is what caused my mother to loose her inners.And today she has no stomach hardly left, and she is in constant pains..now a doctor finally told her why..but at the time she had no real warning it would be this harsh on her after so many years. Now I have arthritis's..throughout my body.And the doc, told me that it is not the safest thing to start to take..but to continue watching what I eat, or don't eat. He also said fish in the diet once a week or more would be good.If I'm not allergic to fish. But that some foods, we can eat to much of one thing. He recommended an apple a day ( raw ) and not the juice would do me as much good. Flaxseed oil..I know I gained weight when I was using it at first.But I had
to exercise daily, and took other fatty foods out of my diet..then the weight stayed on the boarder line.But I knew it could go sky-high again if I didn't watch what I was eating along with it. Cottage cheese..I dare not eat much, or I end up living in the bathroom, or get headaches that cause me to vomit, or makes me feel like I want to..or gives me gas pains.But darn it I love the stuff. And then there is sauerkraut. I could eat gallons of it..but within 1n half hour I'm taking my blanket and pillow and living in the bathroom.So I took another doctor's advise..one to two Tabs/full and that is it..just enough to give myself a good taste.And she said to do the same with ice-cream,or other dairy. By Jove that is working so far. And Tomatoes juice..I could drink that also by the gallons, but I dare not. And most cheese, or cheese products..I am also as careful with. Especially those purchased at the store.When I was making my own cheese, I never had this problem..but again I
was younger than, and since my body has changed drastically over a few years, so must the diet and medications, and supplements, intake be changed too.

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Recent Post

2006-09-27 06:33:22

Hi,
My apologies. I mean't no disrespect to Mike. I was replying to author to
get Greg's address in my overstuffed address book and forgot that reply to
author was going to put it on the Flax List.
I don't hesitate to talk about things of a spiritual nature privately but
did not intend for it to go on the list.
Forgive me. Peace. Love
Cliff

Achim

2006-09-27 03:30:51

I noticed this in revising my drafts folder
Cliff
Dear Cliff,
My name is Achim Pelckmann, I serve as president of a german cancercuregroup
in Munich. I have read your post to the list the last 2 years and I am very
impressed.
We commend Dr. Budwigs therapy to all of our cancerpatients as one of
several
natural (non-harmful) therapies, but we don`t rely only on one single
treatment. We
try to find out the best alternative therapies and combine them depending on
the
different cancer. We now have wonderful success with a agaricus blazei
murill
-
product ( dried agaricus and a special spray ) produced in Switzerland, but
not allowed as medication by the FDA ( we give it to our patients as food,
dried mush-
rooms).
I had some phonetalks with Dr. Budwig in the past. I think she has earned to
get the nobelprice for her lifework, but I am convinced that this will never
happen, because of
the influence of the margarine-industry.
If you need any information from Germany, please let me know. I would be
very
glad
to help you.
Achim

Flax in eyes

2006-09-26 15:33:17

HI,
I felt as badly as anyone on hearing the reaction when Melanie's friend used
the flax oil in her eyes and had a bad experience.
I had no idea what could have happened, especially when my eye doctor, who
is an excellent Opthamologist, told me that nothing harmful could happen.
I think that I have a very good idea of what may have happened.
While it is very rare, there are people who are allergic to Flaxseed Oil.
My sister in law paid a visit to us a while ago and tasted a teaspoon of
Flax oil in the evening to see what it was like.
In the morning she asked if there were any side effects to flaxseed oil.
I mentioned that there rare incidents of allergic reaction. She said, "Like
this?" and her neck and upper areas were red as fire.
If she had put it in her eyes I can imagine the reaction in the soft tissues
under her eyelids. That possibility had not occurred to me at all until
now.
Her eyes would certainly have "mattered" as her body fought the thing to
which it was allergic.
There would be a simple answer and that would be for anyone who had not
tried flaxseed oil at all and wanted to put it in their eyes to use it
orally for a couple of days to be sure that there would be no allergic
reaction.
Cliff

GREG help here

2006-09-26 10:53:25

She has lectured all over Europe and has booklets in German. I tried to
read one of the few books translated to English but the science explanations
were over my head. Maybe Greg or someone could translate it for us to understand?

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Dr. Budwig

2006-09-26 01:29:10

Hi,
I do know that Dr. Budwig would be delighted to have anyone interested come
to Germany and review her work, her protocol, and the things she has done.
She has been under attack and through lawsuits because of her refusal to use
chemo and radiation. She will not answer questions by phone. I know of no
email or other publication.
She has lectured all over Europe and has booklets in German. I tried to
read one of the few books translated to English but the science explanations
were over my head.
Cliff

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Purpose

2006-09-25 18:10:51

Hi Greg,
I am coming n privately to see if your email address will go to my address
book.
We had a personal website up as long as 4-5 years ago with a transcript of
tapes we have made and it was on the search engines but earthlink bought out
our provider and forced a change in my personal web site address which
ruined our efforts.
A couple of weeks ago, to get back on the search engines my son set up a
commercial website which we share.
That has a number of links including a mill in Australia that linked several
years ago, Barlean's, Omegaflo, and a mill in South Africa.
www.beckwithfamily.com A new address to the personal website is
http://home.usit.net/~spinner.
My personal belief is that Flaxseed Oil and the sulfur based proteins that
Dr. Budwig's research says are needed will stop any cancer if we knew how to
adjust all the other nutritional things that are involved individually.
The information that I had years back is that the flaxseeds have a precursor
to cyanide in them similar to a lot of other seeds and that continued use of
over three tablespoons of seeds a day will be harmful.
I do not have the source of that information. I simply accepted what seemed
to be a reliable source and acted on that. I personally would not take the
chance.
I have known of research on mice etc. with seeds since 1993 and am aware of
exciting stuff like "may have a deterrent effect on some kinds of cancers
such as breast cancer" for quite a while.
This is the stuff that Mike Martin is extolling in selling his wife's book,
bless his little pea pickin heart. I appreciate Mike, but what he is
talking about would do nothing for me and many on the Flax list.
I have yet to see any work with flaxseed oil and cottage cheese with people.
To me, this is where the rubber meets the road. I will be 80 in two months.
I believe that without acting on what information I had I would be long
dead. With chemo and the standard approach I would be long dead.
As far as I know, there is no communication from Dr. Budwig as far as web
sites or email is concerned.
She is in great demand as a lecturer and detested by the Europian
establishment because of her refusal to use chemo and radiation. She has
98% success which is remarkable as a great number of her cases are terminal
when she gets them. She has taken patients out of the hospital not given
but hours to live and restored them to health.
One would think that the scientific community would be excited until one
realizes that if her approach were found to be effective officially it would
destroy the cancer industry.
I have read that there are more people making a living with cancer directly
or indirectly than there are people that have it.
Of course, in my case there is an urgent need for information. I am on the
edge of the abyss as it were. I cannot wait for years.
Of course, I know that I am in The Lord's hands and am looking forward to
what lies ahead. I do not fear death. I am excited at the prospect of the
fulfillment of the Hebrew Scriptures and believe that Yeshua HaMashiach, the
Messiah of Israel is very close at hand. According to a reading of the
Scriptures as they are written would put us 53 and a half years into the
final generation.
However, I am not interested in getting on the next bus as long as there is
work for me to do here.
Look over the testimonials etc. on our web page. They are not scientific
and they are not selective. When results have not been favorable we have
said so. There have been very few unfavorable. I have run into some
things that some of the things you have said help explain. The things we
have written may not be scientific but they are accurate.
I will send you my history up to a month ago and you can look through it.
They are an example of our efforts to help find answers.
Do you kinow "moonbeam" from the cancercure list? I have learned from him
and he is from Australia.
Cliff

Story Time

2006-09-25 13:54:47

Some years ago, in a poor district of the UK, Mothers whose babies were
suffering from Yellow Jaundice would take them to the local church and
hold them up to a stained glass window which had a picture of Mary on
it.
They believed that Mary blessed their children and helped them to get
better.
The local doctor noticed that there was indeed a better recovery than
expected, and brought in experts.
The experts laughed. There are no such things as miracles, only science
and fact. This cannot be. It is your imagination. The improved rates
are just a glitch in the statistics.
Some of the Mothers were ashamed, and stopped taking children who were
ill to plead for Mary's intervention. Others had greater faith and
carried on, ignoring the mockery and the accusations that they should
not take ill children out in the cold. Surprisingly, their children did
better than those who were being treated only by the doctors.
If only they had all listened to each other and kept open minds.
These days we put babies with jaundice under ultra violet light because
we know that the blue light helps to break down the bilirubin (yellow
pigment) in the skin. Mary was depicted on the window wearing blue
robes. The babies were being bathed in blue light.
Everyone came out of this badly. The researchers who would not believe
results that did not tie in with their world view, the Mothers who would
not believe in anything but their religion and once that was dented had
not the courage to use what worked.
Yes, some children were still helped. But only in this little district.
It could have all happened so much sooner.
We on this list are in the same situation. We know that flaxseed oil
and cottage cheese works for many who try it. Not for all. Most
scientists dismiss the claims out of hand because current scientific
knowledge and research cannot explain quite why, and the results appear
to be contradictory. So many people are not even hearing about what
might just help them.
Unless the believers and the scientists can talk to each other and put
their differences aside in the search for truth we are going to miss a
major opportunity. There is some truth and some fallacy in each
position. The longer we laugh at each other, the more people will
suffer and die.
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FO/CC study

2006-09-25 11:41:40

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There are many studies that follow people of different lifestyles and
attempt to draw conclusions as to the effects of say vegetarian or red
meat diet on overall health. It is not easy, and the studies are often
torn apart by critics, but that does not mean we should all stop trying.
I realise what you are saying, but no-one knows what will show up until
we try. It was only after many years of collecting apparently
irrelevant information that the correlation between smoking and cancer
started to become apparent.
I had wondered about this and the only possible way round it would be to
stress the importance of those taking part arranging for a relative or
friend to make a final entry if things went wrong.
This is why we would need to know their doctors details. Most, but not
all, are obtaining medical treatment and undergoing tests as well as
following alternative pathways.
And seeing the differences in results for the various combinations on
different types of cancer and other illnesses is what we need.
Unless you can provide some reason for them to undertake that research
it will not happen.

FO/CC study

2006-09-25 06:36:15

Fenris,

I do understand your admirable goal but you didn't understand my point.

When you have 100 variables, even a computer can't discriminate which of the 100 items caused any particular change. The goal in research is to only have one variable. Obviously that is never perfectly possible but any additional variables present diminishes the validity of the results.

"Do you think that when such surveys are done of patients to establish the effectiveness of new drugs that the people involved are put into cages and their lifestyles completely controlled?"

No, but they are limited to taking only ONE treatment (a single drug) for a particular health problem. We are all using MULTIPLE treatments for our single problem. That's a major statistical problem. Even Dr. Budwig's program calls for a strict dietary plan. So someone could logically say the FO/CC did nothing, it was the diet that resulted in the cures. In addition, such groups have medical examinations performed on them according to a prescribed protocol and in a certain time period. I think you might re-read my prior post to better understand what I was saying.

For example... How do you measure those that are cured by using FO/CC? Five-year survival rates? How many dead people will be posting to your site that they died? If someone leaves do you assume they died or got cured and didn't care about the study any longer? Biopsies? Leave me out. Not no but hell no! Body scans? Are you footing the cost for such for everyone? PSA results? Virtually worthless in determining activity of cancer so many no longer even bother with them and many other alternative therapies are also effective at reducing PSA scores, like PC-Spes. And that is just for prostate cancer. What about heart disease, everyone get a yearly angiogram at your cost? A nuclear stress test? Even a cardiogram?

Were any improvements due to dietary changes, FO/CC, enzyme therapy, essiac, drugs, herbs, immune system improvement, etc., etc., etc., ??? Anyone looking at such results and you saying it was the FO/CC that was the effective element would laugh at such results.

Finally, to get any meaningful statistic, despite the impossibility from that listed above, you need long-term results. How many people are even here for as much as one year, never mind five years needed. How many are here period? How many would be willing to participate? Not enough people for a statistically significant sample if everyone using FO/CC for some serious illness participated.

I've basically said the same thing again. Maybe now you will better understand that it ain't gonna happen here. It is going to take a funded research program with many participants being tested for one ailment under a doctor's/researcher's supervision.

Regards,

NHY

Type I and type II flaxseed

2006-09-25 02:38:40

Type I and type II flaxseed who knows the difference.
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Diet and its preventive role in prostatic disease

2006-09-24 16:24:20

Hi All,
While not about curing prostate cancer, this information should start to form
some dietary guidelines for those without
prostate problems and those recovering from treatment.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1\
0325492&dopt=Abstract
Eur Urol 1999;35(5-6):377-87 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut
Diet and its preventive role in prostatic disease.
Denis L, Morton MS, Griffiths K.
Oncology Centre, Antwerp, Belgium. louis.denis@...
Asian men have much lower incidences of prostate cancer and possibly of benign
prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) than their
Western counterparts. Vegetarian men also have a lower incidence of prostate
cancer than omnivorous males. Both Asian
and vegetarian men consume low-fat, high-fibre diets which provide a rich supply
of weak dietary oestrogens.
These plant or phyto-oestrogens have been proposed as chemopreventive agents,
particularly for Asian men and to a lesser
extent, for vegetarian men also. The three principal classes of
phyto-oestrogens are
1) Isoflavonoids.
2) Flavonoids.
3) Lignans.
Many foods of plant origin contain varying amounts of these compounds and
hundreds of plants manifest some degree of
oestrogenic [estrogen like..gw] activity.
Soya, a dietary staple in many parts of Asia, is a major source of the
isoflavonoids, daidzein and genistein.
Flavonoids are present in high concentration in many fruits, vegetables and crop
species. In particular, apigenin and
kaempferol are regarded as major flavonoids because of their common occurrence
in plants, and their significant
concentrations when present. Apples, onions and tea-leaves are excellent sources
of flavonoids.
Plant lignans are present in many cereals, grains, fruits and vegetables, and
give rise to the mammalian lignans,
enterodiol and enterolactone; however, the richest source is linseed (flaxseed)
and other oilseeds.
In addition to their oestrogenic [estrogen like..gw] activity, many of these
plant compounds can interfere with steroid
metabolism and bioavailability, and also inhibit enzymes, such as tyrosine
kinase and topoisomerase, which are crucial
to cellular proliferation.
PMID: 10325492 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
========================
Good Health & Long Life,
Greg Watson,
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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Lacking Information

2006-09-24 06:39:13

Greg :

Certainly can't their is scant little information I can find. Thats one of the frustrating things, everyone is alway shouting "study her work" but you can't find it. If anyone else has more detailed information it would be most appreciated.

Respectfully,

Mike Martin

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Links

2006-09-24 05:21:25

Greg :

I have these links but I have been tolded that the author has added his own stuff along the way so its not the protocol as Dr. Budwig proscribes, but its a start

http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Nutrition/turner60.htm

and

http://www.cancure.org/budwig_diet.htm

Cliff probably has better ones....

Mike Martin

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2]Gathering info

2006-09-23 21:49:34

Cliff and Others :

Fenris, another new member of the list, had an idea which I think has some merit. Why won't we create a website whereby people could enter their particular situation i.e. Illness, afflection, whatever and the anecdotal evidence gathered and shared among interested people. I think this may be a good way to accumulate this information that we could then forward to the appropriate places.

Contrary to popular opinion, I have many important, well respected friend in the field that I may be able to review the information, once it's gathered. Ofcourse it wouldn't be scientific, but it could possibly create enough interest to atleast get a look at. Dr. Diane Morris of the Flax Council of Canada or possibly Dr. Jack Carter of the Flax Institute of America as well as Paul Stitt from ENRECO are all good friends of mine and I would be happy to submit it to them.

What do you think? I know your personaly physician has been compiling information and maybe others on here have been too.

Would the members of this list be willing to co-operate in such an endeavor?

Just a thought

Mike Martin

Purpose

2006-09-23 20:59:41

Hi Greg et al,
I have been reading your posts and have seen some corroboration of things I
have been aware of for a long time and welcome you to the list.
One thing that concerns me from things that I have understood came from Dr.
Budwig is that up to three tablespoons of flax seeds ground is safe to use
and will replace one tablespoon of oil.
My understanding is that the sulfur based protein still needs to be combined
with it to make it fully effective.
However, I have understood that there is material present in the seeds that
make the use of more than 3 tablespoons per day of ground seeds potentially
harmful.
If one is simply taking seeds for prevention, as most, if not all, of the
experimentation being done by the medical establishment today is concerned,
this is no big deal.
However, if one is fighting cancer and would be using even three tablespoons
of oil a day with the cottage cheese or other possible sources of sulfur
based proteins, that would mean nine tablespoons of seeds, which make about
twenty seven tablespoons of flour. which I understand oxydizes rapidly and
needs to be used quickly unless vacuum packed, and that is a lot of flax
flour.
Some are using, at least in the initial stages of fighting serious cancer,
as much as six tablespoons of oil or more plus the sulfur based proteins.
That would be eighteen tablespoons of seeds which no one is going to be
doing.
The only safe approach if one needed a total of three tablespoons a day is
concerned would be three tablespoons of ground flax seeds and two
tablespoons of oil plus the sulfur based proteins.
When the production of flaxseed oil for food was begun in this country in
1989 by the Barlean company it was after Bruce Barlean spent three months in
Germany observing Dr. Budwig's work and how the oil was processed for food.
Their process has Dr. Budwig's full approval.
I would have no fear whatsoever that their oil is not fully safe.
Bruce Barlean told me himself one day in a phone conversation that all the
oils were good as long as they were fresh and cold pressed. If I want to
any brand I want to know the processing temperatures. There is a
possibility that some mills might be processing at too high a temperature
and still calling it cold pressed.
I am not an agent for any mill, but simply suggesting where care needs to be
used.
For me, the main advantage of Barlean's is their willingness to ship
wholesale to anyone with a life threatening disease.
Because of a forced change in a personal website by earthlink that took us
off the search engines, we have gone to a commercial website at
www.beckwithfamily.com so that we can get back on the search engines.
http://home.usit.net/~spinner still reaches the personal web page.
The "stories" are not scientifically done and accaepted but are accurate.
I think we need to be aware of another point. The Scientific establishment
may very well accept something that is useful as a preventive measure
against cancer.
There is no evidence of the medical establishment looking with favor at
anything that would significantly cut the income from cancer.
Cliff

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Welcome Greg

2006-09-23 08:58:13

Hey Greg,

Why don't we cut and paste this stuff onto some html documents over at flaxhealth and then give summarys and links so those who want the nuts and bolts can check it out there.

Just a thought......thats what I am going to do

Mike Martin

Thanks Carolyn and Greg

2006-09-23 08:05:22

Thanks from all of us on this board,Carolyn, in asking Greg to give us basic understandings.

YEAH were just common down to earth people trying to find the answers so we understand them on our terms. Like so many of us here, we don't have the time of day or night to go digging into archives or Pub Med , or anywhere as soon as someone sends a post to do so. . And by the time tomorrow comes we've misplaced or lost that site page; or the computer breaks down and we lost everything we thought we saved.

Maybe were asking to much of you Greg or anyone else; but could you make it in brief like an outline. And at the end give to us places to look into on a rainy day. Thanks ahead of time. Or send to some of us data by private letters we can print out and file for a later day.

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Who was the Bully?

2006-09-23 02:36:54

Cliff :

Its nice to have you back and I hope your trip was good.

We have been quite naughty while you where away, guess we kids just don't play well together. Yeah guess who was the Bully of the kids..? Some of us had to stay hid for awhile to keep our ears from being pulled.

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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Welcome Back Cliff

2006-09-22 15:46:36

Cliff :

Its nice to have you back and I hope your trip was good.

We have been quite naughty while you where away, guess we kids just don't play well together.

Best Regards

Mike Martin

Welcome Greg

2006-09-22 04:56:14

Greg,
Welcome to the flaxseed oil group. I have been reading your posts and I am happy to see that you have joined us.
However, I have a BIG request to make. I know you are used to the scientific community on the CRSociety list. None of us on this list fall into that league. None of us are scientists, but we would all like to know how the science behind Dr. Budwig's protocol works.
You could be of tremendous help to us if you would explain in layman's terms the information that we would need about both Omega 3's and Omega 6's. We only need the information that would help us make the correct choices as related to the use of flaxseed oil and cottage cheese. Information beyond this would only overwhelm us. Many of us are dealing with life and death health issues and we do not have the energy level and the perserverance needed to wade through multi paragraphs of information. But we really, really do want the basic information.
Greg, please have empathy for us and help us to understand the essentials of the use of flaxseed oil and cottage cheese without using any of the scientific jargon. Please do not ask us to go to Pub Med and do online searches or expect that we have done so. That is expected in the scientific community and is expected on CRSociety before a question is asked. We are just plain folks making an effort to help each other.
I appreciate all of the information that you gave me while I was on CRSociety. It certainly helped me to put together a program quickly.
Now you could do the same thing for all of the members of this group. Help us, Greg. But keep it simple.
Thanks from all of us.
Carolyn

eyes

2006-09-22 02:25:15

Hi,
I just got back and have been reading the messages.
I am very sorry that I mentioned this and would not have done so had my
Opthamologist not assured me that no harm could come from doing this.
All I can say is if you try this do it at your own risk. At present it is
clearing a cataract in my right eye.
On our trip I was listening to Paul Harvey and he was advertising a product
called Occugaurd something. He said that it contained nutritional elements
that would help macular degeneration.
It seemed to fit.
I will be going to my Opthamologist again before long and am going to
discuss some of this with him.
Cliff ,

what is it?

2006-09-21 17:00:28

For a comprehensive discussion of fats with references cited try fats 1 and
fats 2 at
http://www.geocities.com/tbkfitness/fats1.html
It includes Coconut Oil and flaxseed.
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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Flaxseed and oil

2006-09-21 13:27:34

Miz Judy & Mel wrote:.

It is impossible that diets containing TFA's cause derangements of cell structure and function,

Surely you meant to write "It is possible . . ." etc.

Joel

Where is the Lignans..??

2006-09-21 11:07:35

It's thought that flaxseed may have an anti-cancer effect because it's very rich in lignans. In the process of digestion, bacteria convert lignans into estrogen-like substances that may affect tumors. Flaxseed oil, however, usually doesn't contain lignans, though some processors do add some lignans back into the oil.

my question..

Is the lignans in the oil..after rendering, or does it need to be added. do we get it from the seeds shell? I'm lost here?

And I found this interesting to red..

Flaxseed

Claims, Benefits: Prevents heart disease and cancer.

Bottom Line: Flaxseed oil is heart-healthy because it contains alpha-linolenic acid. Flaxseed itself (ground or whole) also contains lignans, which may have antioxidant actions and may help protect against certain cancers, though this is far from certain. Skip flaxseed supplements, though.

Full Article, Wellness Letter, June 1999:

Just the flax facts, please

Should you eat flaxseed? Use flaxseed oil for cooking and salads? Take flaxseed supplements? Will flaxseed in any form lower blood cholesterol and prevent heart attacks? Is flax more powerful than other seeds and oils? Flax is a particularly interesting plant that is under study at the National Cancer Institute and other research centers.

The flax plant, an old friend of humanity, yields the fiber from which linen is woven, as well as seeds and oil. The oil, also called linseed oil, has many industrial uses-as an ingredient in paints, varnishes, and linoleum, and as a finishing oil for wood furniture. It also comes in an edible form, sold mostly at health-food stores. Like olive, canola, and most other plant-derived oils, it is highly unsaturated and is thus a healthful choice to replace saturated fats from animal products. Flaxseed, from which the oil is extracted, can be eaten whole or ground into flour.

Some people now believe that flaxseed and its oil are special-that their health effects are greater than those of other seeds and oils. The background is complex.

The alpha-linolenic story: oil

Flaxseed and flaxseed oil are by far the best food source of alpha-linolenic acid. This is one of the essential fatty acids-that is, it's essential for life, and we must consume it in foods, because our bodies cannot manufacture it. Essential fatty acids are important for cell membranes, blood pressure regulation, and other functions. Alpha-linolenic acid is an omega-3, similar to some of the fatty acids in fish oil. (Another essential fatty acid is linoleic acid, an omega-6, found in most vegetable oils, which has a different function in the body.) Consumption of fish and fish oil has been linked to a reduced risk of dying from heart disease, though it is unclear how it does this.

But alpha-linolenic acid is not identical to the omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil. The body does convert alpha-linolenic acid from plant foods into those omega-3s, but very slowly and inefficiently. It's a longer process than getting the omega-3s directly from fish.

Flaxseed may be the best food source of alpha-linolenic acid, but the evidence for specific heart benefits from flaxseed is very thin. A few population studies have linked a high total intake of alpha-linolenic acid with a reduced risk of heart disease and/or death from heart disease. And recently a French study found that a "Mediterranean diet" relatively rich in alpha-linolenic acid greatly reduced the risk of second heart attacks (see WELLNESS LETTER, May 1999). However, the alpha-linolenic acid in that study did not come from flaxseed, but from a canola-oil margarine. Besides flaxseed and canola oil, alpha-linolenic acid is also found in soybean oil and walnuts. You don't have to consume flaxseed to get alpha-linolenic acid. If flaxseed oil (or the seeds, which contain the oil) does lower blood cholesterol, that should come as no big surprise, since any unsaturated oil, particularly if substituted for saturated fats, will do so.

The lignan story: seeds

Besides alpha-linolenic acid, flaxseed is also rich in certain phytochemicals (plant chemicals). Notably, it is the richest source of lignans, which provide fiber. Lignans are also a type of phytoestrogen (isoflavonoids are another type). In the process of digestion, bacteria convert lignans into estrogen-like substances called enterodiol and enterolactone. These may have anti-tumor effects. Phytoestrogens are also found in other plants, including soy, certain herbs, whole grains, and other seeds. Lignans and other flaxseed components may also have antioxidant properties-that is, they may reduce the activity of free radicals, which cause damage at the cellular level. Studies have shown that flaxseed can reduce tumors in lab animals. So far there's no convincing evidence of a similar action in humans, though some ongoing studies may provide answers. In addition, lignans may play some role in lowering cholesterol and possibly in maintaining bone density. Flaxseed oil usually
does not contain lignans, though some processors do add some lignans back into the oil.

It is increasingly difficult to single out any one plant food as unique or miraculous. All plant foods have good things to offer. Garlic and onions apparently have a range of beneficial chemicals; so does tea. So do the herbs we use for flavoring, such as rosemary, thyme, parsley, sage, and so forth. Broccoli and other cruciferous vegetables have anticancer potential. Canola and olive oil and other highly unsaturated oils help lower blood cholesterol. So do oats, which contain the same kind of fiber found in flaxseed.

Adding flaxseed to your diet

It certainly can't hurt to add flaxseed and its oil to a healthy diet-one based on fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nonfat dairy products, and small amounts of fish and meat, and thus low in saturated fat and cholesterol. But adding flaxseed to a poor diet is not likely to help much.

Flaxseed flour or ground or whole flaxseeds can be found in some breads, muffins, cereals, and breakfast bars, particularly in health-food stores. Flaxseeds have a pleasant, nutty flavor and are tasty sprinkled on salads, cooked vegetables, or cereals. (However, unless the seeds are well chewed or ground, they simply pass through the body.) You may want to combine flaxseed flour with wheat flour for baking. The seeds and the oil spoil quickly: the oil comes in dark bottles to extend its shelf life; the oil, once opened, as well as ground flaxseed and flour, should be refrigerated. And the oil is expensive.

Two cautions: in rare instances people may have allergic reactions to flaxseed (anaphylactic shock, as from bee stings or nuts). Flaxseed is high in fiber, so increase water intake along with it.

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And supplements too? Flaxseed supplements, which usually contain ground seeds plus vitamin E, are gaining popularity. We do recommend taking supplemental vitamin E (200 to 800 IU daily). But skip the flaxseed capsules. If you want to make flaxseed part of your diet, consume the oil or the flour, not the supplements.

UC Berkeley Wellness Letter, June 1999

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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Is the establishment coming over to flaxseed oil? Pediatrician recommends FLO

2006-09-21 03:09:17

may I suggest you go to www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com to learn all about MANY things that the oil is good for. When you get to Shirley's wellness cafe, you can look up a LOT of information about flax oil. You can choose to look at the women's health, or for men's health or for your animal's health. Happy searching!

Melanie

Flaxseed and oil

2006-09-20 23:31:28

In going through my cabinet this morning I found in some files this article I done some time back..but think it interesting enough to share today on different groups. The more unsaturated a fat, the faster it will become rancid or exposure to air. Linseed oil is so unsaturated that oxidation rapidly changes its chemical, structure, causing it to turn dry and hard. ( this is the reason for its use as a base for oil paints). Safflower oil develops a rancid odor much more quickly than other oils;before its recent popularity as a cooking fat, it was classed as a " drying oil" along with linseed.

There is another danger in polyunsaturated fats that are hated or subjected to chemical treatment. The mol;molecular structure of some of the fatty acids may change from a natural configuration with a curved shape ( called CIS-) to an unnatural one with a pointed shape ( called trans-) Trans-fatty acids, or TFA's are never found in nature and we do not know what the body does with them. But we know that the body needs CIS-fatty acids to construct cell membranes and hormones, but we do not know how it handles TFA's.

It is impossible that diets containing TFA's cause derangements of cell structure and function, presupposing a person to disease, accelerated aging and premature death. The Major sources of TFA;TFA's are margarine, solid vegetable shortening, and all or part- hydrogenated vegetables oils.All of these are artificially saturated fats, polyunsaturated oils that have been put through high-temperature chemical reactions to change their consistency.

If both saturated and unsaturated can harm us, what are we to do? First and foremost, we should try to reduce the total amount of any kind of fat in our diets. Some very restrictive diets with only 10% percent of total calories to fat do wonders for patients with cardiovascular disease, but most of us would find such diets hard to follow. If we can get our fat intake down to 20 to 30- percent we can still enjoy what we ea while greatly lowering the risk of disease.But we will need to cut way down on fried foods, whole milk, products, mats nuts, high-fat condiments, like mayonnaise and salad dressings, rich sauces, and desserts. And we must pay attention to foods we buy..reading all those labels very carefully,

And fish oils..what to do if we can't stand to eat those omegas-3's..go right on ahead and have heart attacks..and lot the blood stream very well. But when we take a much richer source of linseed ( flaxseed oil ) this may become our only means to getting what is most needed in the system, with just the right amount of oil daily with no worry of over or under-doing. Linseed has not been thought of often as a food, but always with a history related to paint, vut never to the dietary supplement that is today available in health-food-stores. It is now unsatuated and protected from oxidation.But we are to buy it only from reputable sources, in a small, light proof container, packed under nitrogen. Kept in the refrigeration and it should always smell fresh and taste not rancid. It should at all times have a nutty and pleasant, delicious flavor. Otherwise toss it out..or complain to the sources you purchased it form.

Some people get their omega-3s from PURSLANE, A GREEN VEGETABLE ( PORTULACA tolerance ) that is easily cultivated in home gardens. Other sources from my report state the Hemp oil and Hope seed oil, which are now becoming widely used are on many tables at meal time.

But I can not overemphasize the importance of researching and knowing for yourself the role of dietary fat in health and disease, and find that to often people are not aware of either crossed the world.

Now why is shortening called shortening? ( It shortens your life for one thing ) And in many kitchens it has helped cooks cheat a little on making some foods brown faster. I can remember the time I thought in order to fry meat, I needed at least a good 1/2 to 1 cup grease in my skillet. But recent years proved I was so very wrong. Now all I need to do is take a pager towel, and lightly cover the pan I'm suing and the meats get just as done. Or I use my electric George Forman grill and other electric grills that take no fats whatsoever to use them.

I will stop here and let you think for awhile..for yourself. Because If I don't this list cold go on and on to doomsday..

Until later have yourself a nice, and oily healthy day.

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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Aint that the truth

2006-09-20 13:54:39

Floyd...

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Mike

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] address of Mariposa Clinic

2006-09-20 04:57:44

Thank you --
Joel

MARIPOSAS/Las Mariposas Clinic/Mariposa Clinic
Centro Comercial Fuente Lucena, 4
C.N. 340, km 228
29620, Torremolinos, Malaga, Spain
Ph: 34-677 026 818
www.mariposasclinic.com
health@...

Re: FSO/CC as prevention

2006-09-20 00:54:42

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@y..., "need_high_yield" <need_high_yield@y...
that ground flaxseeds are superior to the oil.
With respect you must be kidding....... You do know how to use
PubMed?
where the seed were simultaneously tested along with the oil and the
seeds won out before continuing to recommend your unproven and
untested theories.
Unproved and untested? Again you must be kidding? A few points
before we start the science lesson:
1)Do you know what the Delta 6 Desaturase enzyme does?
2)Do you understand the complex interrelationship between Omega 3
LNA, Omega 6 LA and Omega 9 OA competitation for the enzyme?
3)Do you realize the impact on downstream Omega 6 GLA, DGLA and AA
from reduced D5D availability from the highly concentrated LNA oil?
4)Are you aware of the cancer risk from elevated Omega 6 LA?
5)Do you know of the effects of the phytoestrogen SERM (selective
estrogen receptor modifiers) derived from the flax ligans?
6) You are aware of the ability of the ground flax to absorb and pass
out of your body the cholesterol shed from cellular membranes as the
LNA derived EPA & DHA alter membrane fluidity and reduce cholesterol
packing requirements?
oil... NO WAY!!!
The LNA in ground flax is very stable, unlike the flax oil. How do
you know how well the LNA was processed, seed crusher temp kept low,
crushed with no assistive chemicals, crushed and processed in a
notrogen atmosphere? Delivered to you at a low temp? The oil was
kept in the dark? Etc... A lot to go wrong.
Now lets compare that to 10 minutes a week grinding the flax in your
trusty coffee grinder and then into the fridge with the LNA and Vit E
rich ground product. No oxidation or additive chemicals and
processes there.
You really think the commercially processed LNA oil is superior? I
think not, especially when you own body can do all the "processing"
itself, without the risks and you get significant added benefits as
well.
Greg Watson

address of Mariposa Clinic

2006-09-19 23:20:30

MARIPOSAS/Las Mariposas Clinic/Mariposa Clinic
Centro Comercial Fuente Lucena, 4
C.N. 340, km 228
29620, Torremolinos, Malaga, Spain
Ph: 34-677 026 818
www.mariposasclinic.com
health@...

please pray

2006-09-19 13:58:05

Please pray for my Grandmother that I told ya'll about before. She
has small cell lung cancer. She is doing Insulin Potentiated Therapy
which is low dose chemo and more effective than regular chemo. It
has caused huge blisters on her bottom lip and she can hardly drink
or eat..please pray that the blisters go away and that the chemo is
killing the cancer.. I'm afraid she is giving up hope as the pain is
so bad in her mouth..thank you Kim PS I have all email settings set
to no email if you have any suggestions please email me my
email..thanks :))

Is the establishment coming over to flaxseed oil? Pediatrician recommends FLO

2006-09-19 09:27:54

From THE PEOPLE'S PHARMACY column by Joe Graedon and Teresa Graedon, Newsday, Nov. 6, 2002: Flaxseed Oil May Give Asthma Relief Q. Our pediatrician has recommended flaxseed oil for our 8-year-old. She said it is helpful for children with asthma. Why is this? A. Flaxseed oil is rich in omega-3 fatty acids. Such compounds are also found in fish oil and walnuts. Researchers say that these fats have anti-inflammatory action, which might help against asthma. Studies in Japan and Australia suggest that children prone asthma might benefit from omega-3 supplementation. You can grind flaxseed in a coffe grinder and add it to pancakes, cereal or

muffins....Dietary supplements may help but can't substitute for proper asthma management.

Re: Is the establishment coming over to flaxseed oil? Pediatrician recommends FLO

2006-09-19 09:04:50

This is very interesting. I have a young son with the dx of autism.
Now he is unable to take the fish oil, but I am thinking about trying
the flaxseed oil on him also. The EFA are very vital to many of these
children. They are low in these elements. Many of the Drs who are
willing to go the mile and treat these children biomedically, which
now many are saying it is the mercury in the immunizations that
caused this neurological disorder, are recommending flaxseed oil also
as part of the biomedical, and chelation treatment for many of these
children, this also helps in the inflamation caused by a leaky gut
and also inflamation of the frontal lobes of the brain which many of
these children have, it is also helping to bring these children to a
more peaceful feeling, I know it has balance me out as far a emotions
since I have taken it, my husband loves me taking flaxseed oil.
Leah

Graedon, Newsday, Nov. 6, 2002: Flaxseed Oil May Give Asthma
Relief
Q. Our pediatrician has recommended
flaxseed oil for our 8-year-old. She said it is helpful for children
with asthma. Why is
this?
A. Flaxseed oil is rich in
omega-3 fatty acids. Such compounds are also found in fish oil and
walnuts. Researchers say that these fats have anti-inflammatory
action, which might help against asthma. Studies in Japan and
Australia suggest that children prone asthma might benefit from omega-
3 supplementation. You can grind flaxseed in a coffe grinder and add
it to pancakes, cereal or
proper asthma management.

Re: How nice of Barleans

2006-09-19 00:20:23

Hi Judy,
Thank you for having written on my behalf and maybe many others, it
must have been because of your letter that they called me again. I
really wasn't expecting it. No they did not ask me to return the
other bottles, they suggested maybe giving it to friends or maybe
someone who gives flaxseed oil to there dogs, well I have 2 dogs, and
cats, who will probably love it because it seems so fishy. I myself
ate it this morning and I feel fine, I just followed the CC/fs with
something sweet it masked the left over taste in my mouth, although I
really don't like to eat anything sweet I know that it is not good
for many of us, I really had to do something about the taste. I hope
my new order is as good as my first. Have a great day and thanks
again, Leah

show they care. I also had written them and told them that it would
be poor business like.. if when people like yourself complains.. to
at least make it right someohow. Thank God letters and phone calls
must have worked. I hope your new supply shows up.Did they ask you to
send back the nasty ones? If not don't throw it way. Use it on the
dogs, and cats for fleas..or find some use out of it. It might still
make a good hair conditioner.

Vinegar, flax, seeds

2006-09-18 20:49:17

Sharing with another list on this subject..

Believe me as long as I live, I will never understand the human race. And I have come to believe just as strongly, that we all think and do things different; even when it comes to taking the same kinds of medicines and drugs, etc.. I haven't yet figure out how we can neglect the ..flax seed..and separate it saying just the oil works, or vice-versa..Each part of the plant, in some way certainly plays an important part of healing, or preventing from getting sick in the first place.

Looking back over the years, I know that if I'd known back as a teenager, what I know today, I don't think I would have gotten that darn cancer in the first place. But the fact of knowing.. and still doing nothing about it, would not have helped me, (not to get the cancer)...Because knowing and doing something about prevention, are two different avenues toward being well, and free of disease. We must know from knowledge and wisdom, to at least try something at least once..before we can say that it is working or not. RESEARCH..and STUDY everything for ourselves is one of the best tools there is..but what about the person that is not able to read..who are they going to trust? They have to trust the rest of us..and in many cases the public isn't always right. And some people are paid to make a false statement. Hey Money talks in all fields of life. Some one give me, lets say 1 million dollars, to say something against a product I have in front of me. And naturally I will
either run it into the ground..or spread a rumour it absolutely works..for anything money can by.
So how about multiple disease killer? I could begin a rumour around, that I rubbed my sore in a lettuce leaf, and the chlorophyll from a maple-tree, heal my ( whatever I have at the time bothering me ) Getting rid of a WART..now when I was a kid, there was people that swore that a real copper penny rubbed over it done the job. )BULL-larky.._()()(*&^ It never worked for anyone in our family. But that black-cow salve worked wonders. And my cancer Salve I know worked..I even have it today in a bottle..and look at my WEB-those sure are not false documented pictures either.

First I would have had.. to learn how to prevent it. I don't know if Cliff every mentioned to you or not, that back in the 60's. We would visit, sitting around discussing how honey and vinegar were being used to help people heal of many diseases..and the talk was. " Please don't talk about this. I do not wish to turn to a pickle." and some people believed ( even my doctor ) that over a period of time, we'd get rubbery bones, mussels and tissues, and the flesh would become bouncy. The doctor called this a Quack medicine. But Mel continued taking it. And swore it was helping him in his aches and pains. And it seemed to give us more energy. I think we read all the literature we could. But again it was mainly things written without science back-up, by from people like ourselves that wrote testimonies of using it. One book, maybe two came out from people in Holmes County..And it was through one man that owned the Woollen Mill, out on Rout 39, that I enjoyed the most to talk to.
He lived to be a very old man.But he believed vinegar in his diet was one reason he lived past his teens. When I am over in the Library..I will bring the book to the office. and see what other herbs, and etc he relied upon for his crippling diseases, and etc.

Have a good evening..I'm soon going off awhile..get a shower and rest my toe,( I had only two stitches out today ) I will now try to do some reading and watching some TV.)

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Re: Taste of oil

2006-09-18 07:25:47

Hi everyone,
I just wanted to share something I thought was very kind. Today I
recieved an unexpected call from Barleans, they were kind enough,
without my knowledge, to pull the lots processed on the day of that
the oil I recieved that didn't taste right. I was told that they did
find one lot that tasted alittle off but not to bad. They have kindly
offered to send me oil to replace mine. I was very impressed by thier
kindness. I really didn't expect them to give me more, I was willing,
and infact I did eat some this morning and plug my nose while eating
it with cottage cheese. I am very grateful. I thought I would be
plugging my nose for a couple of months, and eating this combination
has made me feel so much better, I must say I was willing to eat it
anyway. I am very grateful for the kindness that they have given to
me. Have a great day. There are nice people still in this world, that
was very nice, Leah

How nice of Barleans

2006-09-18 07:25:15

Leah..Thanks for sharing what Barleans is doing for you..this does show they care. I also had written them and told them that it would be poor business like.. if when people like yourself complains.. to at least make it right someohow. Thank God letters and phone calls must have worked. I hope your new supply shows up.Did they ask you to send back the nasty ones? If not don't throw it way. Use it on the dogs, and cats for fleas..or find some use out of it. It might still make a good hair conditioner.

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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] FlaxSeed Oil - What you need to know.

2006-09-17 23:11:42

I notice repeated reference to the use of "low-fat" cottage cheese. Would "non"-fat cc work as effectively?

Re: [flaxhealth] Suspicious Medical Claims--How about lies!

2006-09-17 10:58:04

(this is a public response to a private message as requested)
Publishing recipes using sugar is fifty years out of date. Dr. Stare at
Harvard used to promote the use of sugar. He was openly paid by the sugar
industry. Suspicious Medical Claims--How about lies! Enough money: and
some professional people will lie. Others ignore the facts. This makes
them ignorant. Ignorant= to ignore.
Read the Professional Medical Journals; There are many articles and
Editorials complaining of money corrupting the present day "Scientific
Studies" and promoting patent prescription medicines. Look at the
pharmaceutical industry trying to prevent the sale of vitamins and just
plain traditional nutritious food. Look at the Soy industry. Lots of
money saying it is great. They point out that in one country people eat a
lot of soy and have less cancer- They lie by omitting the fact that this
group eats a lot of fish, some of it raw! Fish contains more omega 3 than
U.S. grain fed beef.
We are entering a diabetes epidemic. Young soldiers now have heart
disease. Children are reaching physical maturity before they can handle it
mentally.
Why? What is the difference? Every year more sugar is eaten by the
American population.
Yet some Dieticians promote power bars made mostly of sugar- they should be
called cancer bars! These dieticians should get their money back from the
school that they got their degree from.
One of the new tests for cancer uses a radiation treated sugar fed to the
patient because it goes to the cancer site and thus shows up on a scan
exactly where the cancer is located.
One site is for information on how cancer is reduced by using flaxseed oil.
The evidence here is anecdotal; but let me remind the readers that when
enough anecdotes are collected they become prevailing, empirical, evidence.
There are many research studies done now on EFA's which indicate omega 3
EFA as found in flaxseed oil is beneficial but generally lacking in the SAD
(Standard American Diet).
Anyone promoting the use of sugar as a nutrient is clearly ignoring the
facts (ignorant) or is a tool of the sugar industry.
Go read the articles at www.panix.com/~paleodiet You may come back
convinced to eat less sugar and more food with omega 3.
Some writers have objected to promoting books on lists. I think bringing
good sensible books to our attention is fine. But books promoting sugar
are bad.
Read some books by Doctors who have done research on nutrition.
http://www.galaxymall.com/books/amostum/body.html
Some sentences are QUOTED here"
In the Beginning
Anthropologists currently believe that human beings have been on this planet
for four million years. During most of this time, the majority of people
grew their own food, ate wild foods growing in nature, and killed animals,
birds, and other life forms for food and clothing. ...............
Some Time Later
When fire could be produced at will, man began to cook food. This was the
first step toward changing the natural order of things. Enzymes, vitamins,
minerals, amino acids, fatty acids, and carbohydrates are altered by heat.
............
The Industrial Revolution began after Isaac Newton integrated the sciences
in the 1600's . This has resulted in rapid changes of food, air, water, and
light sources of energy. Besides cooking food, people developed ways of
refining food. Great Britain was the first country to refine sugar cane and
sugar beets into pure white sugar.
The use of this man-made substance for the past 300 years (15 generations)
has affected mental and physical performance resulting in an increased
incidence of 25,000 degenerative diseases.
Dr. Weston Price, a dentist, traveled around the world to visit primitive
tribes at the turn of this century. He wrote his findings in his book
"Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" published in 1945. This book should be
the first book you read on the subject of nutrition and how it affects our
mental and physical condition. ........................
At the beginning of this century, 1900, one out of eight thousand (1/8,000)
people died of cancer. In 1998, one out of three people die of cancer. What
changed to create this statistic? { Three hundred years ago sugar was not
available! Now the SAD diet (Standard American Diet) includes 140 pounds
of sugar per person per year. (edited)}
Some Other Evidence
The Price-Pottinger cat experiment demonstrated that cats that ate only
cooked foods could no longer produce new kittens in four generations. They
became extinct. The incidence of infertility among humans is also
increasing.
Best Regards, Lorenzo
Subject: Re: [flaxhealth] Suspicious Medical Claims--How about lies!
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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Blending

2006-09-17 08:58:09

It is VERY important to THOROUGHLY mix the two of them. I don't have the why
part of it, but I have read it from Cliff, numerous times, so I'm sure this
is correct.
Melanie

FlaxSeed Oil - What you need to know.

2006-09-17 06:15:23

There is a great deal of misinformation being posted here and elsewhere about the use of flaxseeds and flaxseed oil for the use by those with and without cancer. This is a long post but I believe it is certainly worthwhile reading in full, along with the links provided, for anyone truly interested in the use of flaxseed oil for cancer and for other health matters.

Many people with various forms of cancer, including those with cancer that has metastasized, have experienced great improvements in their health and longevity with the use of Flaxseed Oil thoroughly combined with low-fat cottage cheese.

The main body of work for using flaxseed oil with cancer patients comes from the work of Dr. Johanna Budwig, from Germany, who has been nominated six times for a Nobel Prize award. She has been treating cancer patients, mostly those determined to be terminally ill by their physicians, and has achieved outstanding results. Her research work determined that a sulfur based protein, such as cottage cheese/quark, is required to be mixed with the flaxseed oil for it to be effective. It is my personal contention, that this is a also a good indicator that this would be the preferred method for taking flax for any other health purpose also, not just cancer. While eating ground flaxseeds may be beneficial, that does not negate the likelihood that the FO/CC would provide vastly superior results to ones health. In addition, it takes 3 tbls. of seeds to equal 1 tbl. of oil and ground seed becomes rancid very quickly, so they must be fresh ground.

The standard Budwig "mixture" calls for 1-2 tbls. of flaxseed oil blended with 1/4 cup of low-fat cottage cheese or quark. The daily amount taken for cancer patients is usually a MINIMUM of 2 tbls. of flaxseed OIL per 100 lbs. of body weight. Fruit and/or honey may be added to the mixture for flavoring while milk or water may be added to get the right consistency. Be sure to use enough CC/quark so there is no oiliness or oily residue whatsoever after mixing. Yogurt may be used in place of cottage cheese/quark but it takes much more yogurt than cottage cheese to provide the necessary sulfur proteins that are necessary to go with the flaxseed oil. Taking 4 tbls. of the oil with about 3/4-cup of CC/quark daily would likely be a good starting point for most people with cancer. By the time fruit/honey is added, the total portion will be about one 8 oz. cup per day. It may be better to spread out eating of such an amount in 2-3 doses during the day instead of at one sitting.
I believe the following material will provide most of the answers you seek about this material. If not, we will be happy to help further and answer any questions you may have.
Here are links to the four best summaries I've found to use as an introduction to Dr. Johanna Budwig's protocol and diet. It tells of her treatments of cancer and many other health problems utilizing flaxseed oil.
http://www.whale.to/cancer/budwig.html
http://home.online.no/~dusan/diseases/cancer/cancer_dr_budwig.html

http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Nutrition/turner60.htm

http://www.cancure.org/budwig_diet.htm
Here is a link to Cliff Beckwith's home internet page which has his original articles on his experiences with using Flaxseed Oil for his Prostate Cancer. It was reading these three articles that gave me my start into researching FO/CC further and it having become my primary treatment.
http://www.beckwithfamily.com/
For those wishing more information, here are links to Barlean's, an excellent source for flaxseed oil information as well as a good source to purchase flaxseed oil and also Dr. Budwig's primary book, "Flax Oil as a True Aid Against Arthritis, Heart Infarction, Cancer and Other Diseases." This book is available there for a couple of dollars for those with cancer while it is only $2.95 for those without cancer. Cancer patients may purchase Flaxseed oil there and from other sources at a discount.
http://www.barleans.com/
http://www.barleans.com/products/books.html
I hope this message will help to provide better sources of information to answer many of your questions about Flaxseed Oil.
Regards,
NHY

Blending

2006-09-16 21:18:30

I asked this previously and did'nt get much of a response so I'll try
again. How important is it to throughtly blend the oil into the
cottage cheese or yogurt using a blender to make the mix? Or to put
it another way can you blend the mix by hand, where it still looks
like cottage cheese and oil and still get the same benefits?

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Yes I am all done

2006-09-16 16:38:51

Gerry and Others:

Yes I agree, I am all done arguing - it serves no purpose. I have posted science as it applies to Flax Seed Oil and we have a list for those interested in flax as used prevention. I am still willing the scienctific information we have for those interested. We are joined by an effort to spread the word about flax and flax oil products.

Respectfully,

Mike Martin

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] OFF TOPIC ( Flax Seed vs Flax seed Oil)

2006-09-16 10:29:03

Dick......... I agree this is a flaxseed oil group but flax seed oil is derived from flaxseeds, grind enough and you should get the same benefits you cannot get the oil from any other source wouldn't you agree, and what Mike is saying (at least as I understand) is that if you would prefer your flaxseed oil in a dry form you should grind and use the flax seeds daily, but I would believe that it would kick the hell out of a normal persons bowels as we really don't need all that extra roughage. NHY like you quote is controversial and blunt sometimes some of us need his type of direction even if it gets under the skin he isn't concerned about hurting anybody's feelings even though some of us need a swift kick from time to time. (and who knows there may be many on this site interested in prevention as well as cures) but we shouldn't use this site for arguements it takes up too much space, yesterday I had over a hundred messages for one day this of course included spam mail but
again a lot of silly bantering.

Keep smiling

Gerry Logan

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] All Done

2006-09-16 01:58:17

Mac and Others :

Hopefully this is ended now, I will no longer respond to anymore rediculous remarks. It just seems that people keep going on and on and I don't really understand why.

Respectfully,

Mike Martin

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Word from Mariposa Clinic

2006-09-16 01:36:41

Group :

In an earlier post (Heres some interesting Info) I mentioned the information on the Cancer Cure Foundation website that had an alternative to flax oil in the Budwig Protocol being ground flax seed.

NYH said that the author of the article had written that and that is wasn't part of the routine, so I wrote to the Mariposa Clinic in Spain who is carrying on Dr. Budwigs work and asked them. What they wrote back is as follows :

55% of grinded flaxseed (fresh and to be consumed
before 15 minutes) is flaxeed oil, the rest is lignan.
Best Regards: RAYMOND HILU

This kind of puzzled me because thats not what I asked, but then I know many where talking about oil content and seed yesterday and figured that this response was mistakenly sent to me.

Best Regards,

Mike Martin

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Can this end now?

2006-09-15 10:25:28

NYH :

On 10/24/01 I wrote : All the information I have is consistant with the results Cliff has mentioned - and in time, I wouldnt be suprised to see them recomended by Doctors all over the world. The consistancy of results published for the prevention and treatments that you are involved in are undeniable and should be viewed as encouraging to everyone.

On 10/25/01 I wrote : I have stated numerous times, The science is supporting these claims, don't you get it? Science is reinforcing the claims and evidence that Cliff and the others are finding. They are not the enemy, they are finding scientifically what you all have been claiming. The tide has turned and the science is perhaps finally supporting you guys.

On 10/26/01 I wrote : I think barleans is just fine when it comes to flax oil, Flax Oil is a great product. I also think Dr. Budwig has made a wonderful break through with her program.

There where other posts saying the same thing - but I cleaned out my email yesterday and didn't think there was any further need for them. So I think its pretty clear that I am not bashing your beliefs or Dr. Budwigs protocol. The only time you will here from me is when people are wondering what the science is behind something, or If others like that nasty little writter corrupt the science to support their position. I am glad that we can agree that ground flax seed and flax seed oil are both great products and there are many wonderful and beneficial uses.

I really am not trying to learn about Dr. Budwigs work, until its proven scientifically I have no need for it. It will remain like psoriasis, inflamatory bowel diseases and multiple sclerosis, a likely possiblity supported by anecdotal evidence that needs further study.

As for you links, I appreciate the offer but if I need help understanding the science, I can just call the authors, they we great when Jane composed the book. Besides I like talking to them.

Respectfully,

Mike Martin

nominated 357 times for the noble prize for science, prove that I wasn't !

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Heres some interesting Info...

2006-09-15 10:13:42

Here are some interesting links regarding Dr. Budwigs work that I thought I would share with the group....

http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Nutrition/turner60.htm

and

http://www.cancure.org/budwig_diet.htm

I especially like the part where it says :

Flax seeds may also be used. Seeds need only be cracked in a
food blender, or they may be ground in a coffee grinder. One needs
three times the amount of seed to get the oil equivalent.

Just thought you'd like to know

Respectfully,

Mike Martin

Magic Cures?

2006-09-14 23:58:03

another,
Good post by Floyd.
I used to read old patent documents. Lots of Electrical devices were
proposed;
NOW some similar devices are accepted to improve the healing of broken
bones!
I have always beloved in FM or "Funny Magic" especially if it works!
Best Regards, Lorenzo
If you have pain -Join the CaveManFood list and eat like our ancestors.

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Taste of oil

2006-09-14 19:14:44

I've used Barleans almost exclusively. I've tried Spectrum, which is
cheaper, but I continue to use Barleans. It always tastes wonderful, almost
"sweetly," fresh and delicious. But, I never buy more than an 8oz container
at a time; and I check the bottles to find the latest dated bottle to buy.
I've never gotten a "fishy" taste from the Barleans product.
VRP (Vitamin Research Products: www.vrp.com) also sells flax oil for a
better price than Barleans, by mailorder. I ordered it once, and it tasted
fine, but I don't like the cap they use on the bottle. It has a flip open
cap, which doesn't close off air securely, and the bottles I received were
white in color, which may not keep out light as efficiently as the black
bottles Barleans uses.
Remember to quickly wipe clean, the top area of the bottle, where the screw
cap goes on, and the screwcap itself, where oil tends to accumulate, and is
exposed to air, each time you open the bottle. This oil around the opening
gets rancid very quickly. I also keep my oil in the freezer; it gets thick,
but remains pourable. Even frozen, I would not keep flax oil longer than a
month, or two months, at the most. And in the refrigerator portion, I'd
never keep it more than about 10 days to two weeks.
John P.

Flax Council

2006-09-14 16:19:18

Miz Judy :

Why don't you call the Flax Council and talk to anyone there about Dietitian Jane, they know us well.
They purchased 100 copies of the book to distribute to their members - what does that tell you? Miz Judy :

I am not sure, what does that tell you? ( Tells me the book is well accepted ) and someone must believe in what is being told..If Ihad a book I would read it for myself..waiting till I can afford to either purchase one, or wait for it to come out in the library..
Mike Martin
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Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] How many seeds

2006-09-14 10:00:38

I know nothing about oil extraction methods. But I assume that if you want, say, 8oz of flax oil, you would start with approximately 20 oz of seed. But in reality, oil extraction may not be that efficient. I'd assume you'd have some losses, etc., so that, perhaps as much as 30 oz of seed would be needed to obtain 8 oz of oil. Off the top of my head, it seems that 1 tablespoon of seed, might yield 1 teaspoon of oil; but, ideally, you would be best off contacting people that are actually involved in the process of extracting the oil from flax seed.

Taste of oil

2006-09-14 02:57:05

Hi,
I posted a few days ago by accident on the old list, so for those of
you that did not read my concern I will restate my concerns. A few
months ago I purchased some flax seed oil from Barleans, it tasted
wonderful. Well I went through my 3 bottles and last week I
reordered, I ordered on a Thursday and recieved the shipment
Wednesday. I mixed it with my cottage cheese expecting to get the
wonderful taste I have gotten used to and unfortunatedly it made me
gag, the taste was so fishy and awful. My husband called over the
weekend to Barleans and left a message, I am not sure what he said to
them I was not home. I got a phone call from them today, from a lady
named Barbara, she stated to me that it was shipped UPS ground and
that takes anywhere from 3 days to 10 days.She said that the time
involved does not take away from the quality of the oil.With out me
even asking, she told me that there is not return policy on the oil.
Personally I did not feel that was good customer relations. I let her
know what day it was processed and what day it expired and she said
she would let her manager know and they will see if they get anymore
calls on the lot. She stated that they get thier seed from three
different sources and sometimes there is a fishy taste to the oil. So
I guess I am stuck with the horrible tasting bottles of oil until I
run out again. I guess I will just have to plug my nose and swallow
and hope I have no left over taste left in my mouth, and that it
won't make me sick. Now the question I have, being this is only the
2nd time I have ordered thier product, is the taste normally more
fishy or was I just unfortunate and got a bad tasting lot? I really
liked the first 3 bottle I ordered. I will no longer will order 3
bottles at a time, because I do not want to get stuck using fowl
tasting oil all the time. Would any of you care to share your
experience with the taste you normally have with the oil you
recieve. Is the taste normally that fishy? Also is there another
brand that anyone feels is a good quality with a tolerable taste, so
I might go that route next time,Thanks so much for your answers in
advance, Leah

Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] What a SURPRISE

2006-09-13 17:33:29

Miz Judy :

I am not sure, what does that tell you?

Mike Martin

What a SURPRISE

2006-09-13 13:55:27

Now folks this might surprise most of you. I've wote the following to see what help we can get and it sends me to two places..and guess what one takes us back to Dietitian Jane..now what does this tell you?

I suggest you look at the webpage for the Flax Council of Canada to see if you can find your answer - http://www.flaxcouncil.ca/flaxinde.htm. You may also check a website called http://www.FlaxRD.com to see if the info you are looking for is there.
Best wishes,
Diana
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My Website: http://www.CancerRD.com